Funny how Vegeta hypes up Saiyan strength and sometimes calls himself unworthy of being a Saiyan when he is about a trillion times stronger than any Saiyan that existed before him and Goku.

@justarandomweeb2986

5 ай бұрын

Vegeta does not beat Goku,nor broly,

@Fact_Check12

5 ай бұрын

@@justarandomweeb2986 I never said he does. By the way, current UE Vegeta is clapping Broly no diff.

@NyBeans92

5 ай бұрын

And it’s debatable if he loses to goku

@idostuff6179

5 ай бұрын

@@Fact_Check12 Definitely not true, as per the DBS super hero movie, Broly is the strongest mortal character in the show. And is debatably stronger than Beerus

@El_Mince

5 ай бұрын

@@justarandomweeb2986Except he did beat Goku

Don't let this distract you from the fact that Goku was born with a power level of 2 and now he is the strongest saiyan ever

@milkman9560

5 ай бұрын

“Saiyins get stronger with every fight they lose” *Goku proceed to lose the most fights he can*

@el_goku_ss4

5 ай бұрын

Nacio con 5

@IHateThisCommunity

5 ай бұрын

Goku isn’t the strongest Saiyan ever, that would be Gohan or Broly. (Broly got way stronger during the time of super hero, he is not the same tier he was in the Broly movie. Gohan should be self explanatory though.)

@helloguys5557

5 ай бұрын

@@IHateThisCommunityI’m waiting to see how strong pan can be

@milkman9560

5 ай бұрын

@@IHateThisCommunity broly is the saiyin from the prophecy isn’t he?

"or was he?" **Vsauce theme starts playing**

@waleedabdullahkhan5706

5 ай бұрын

Haha nice. Nice to meet a fellow vsause enjoyer.

@red.animations

5 ай бұрын

two gentlemen above? make that three.

@clolu-qs3rg

5 ай бұрын

now make it 4

@P_R_O_F_E_S_S_O_R_FF

5 ай бұрын

Make it 5

@AsadKhan-ic9qi

5 ай бұрын

prepare for trouble

Theres a reason frieza himself had to pull up to the planet instead of his soldiers

@hulkinglasses7174

5 ай бұрын

He did bring a lot of soldiers with him

@RoundShades

5 ай бұрын

​@@hulkinglasses7174the glass of his bubble car does not polish itself.

@TheUncivilizedNation

5 ай бұрын

@@hulkinglasses7174 that was to deal with escapees. Which didn’t matter because Bardock killed most of them in his final stand. Leaving Kakarot unnoticed

@hulkinglasses7174

5 ай бұрын

@@TheUncivilizedNation We don't know how many Bardock killed but there were at least a few 100 he missed given how many were surrounding him. It should also be noted that Frieza wasn't even near Planet Vegeta when Goku was sent off. The planet was destroyed hours later. You need to go back and read Dragon Ball Minus and rewatch Dragon Ball Super Broly

@SigilOfBaphomet

5 ай бұрын

Because beerus told him to

Saiyans are essentially an entire species of Lesser gods, similarly to the namekians. They have the capacity to grow and outperform any being in existence with the proper mix of training and technique.

@Vanity0666

5 ай бұрын

My personal theory is that the Angels aren't actually one species but instead are a final form for any living being that's capable of achieving some kind of universal apotheosis similar to buddhist nirvana, and that as each species grows towards that they begin to resemble the Angels in figure more and more. In Dragon Ball strength isn't determined by a rigid power level, but rather by soul energy and individual will, hence why races like the Yardrat are capable of nearly magical levels of energy manipulation while being physically weak, and why Goku and Vegeta both go to train under them and learn their ways of life as well as techniques, and in doing so they are culminating Atman. Oh and also because OP to the Buu Saga is literally "We Were Angels"

@fatejoestar3068

5 ай бұрын

​@@Vanity0666damn thats actually a nice theory

@Vanity0666

5 ай бұрын

@@fatejoestar3068 the whole series is predicated originally on being a Journey to the West style story, and Sun Wukong's whole thing is becoming the next Buddha

@xender8012

5 ай бұрын

Most Regular saiyans are stronger than some gods like king kai south kai and other low tier kais. King kai was surprised how strong base goku was cuz he could do a technique king kai created but couldnt do himself and base goku at the time had a power level of 700 or 800 which was undoubtedly weaker than most saiyans so ye they are

@xender8012

5 ай бұрын

Gods scale weird king kai is below raditzs saga goku. Supreme kai is below regular super saiyan and beerus is wayyyy beyond tui or ue or black frieza. We dont know the extent of angels grandpriest or zeno but all of them are wayyy stronger than beerus. Kais are weak compared to gods

"You're not dealing with average saiyan anymore"

@HighKing9000

5 ай бұрын

Nooooooooo

@CodeName_JJ

5 ай бұрын

​@HighKing9000 "that's right, I have become the legend, the legend that you fear"

@ryanfox2599

5 ай бұрын

I love seeing these quotes. I love it even more when people don't understand them lol

@KingArtoriusTV

5 ай бұрын

I, Prince Vegeta, have become Super Saiyan!

@mihaicovaciu6634

4 ай бұрын

Omg, this thing again!

This is true remember raditz was mad at Goku for losing his tail. That’s because the 10 times increase makes them so strong.

@featured561

5 ай бұрын

Fax

@beedos08

5 ай бұрын

Raditz was kinda weak though. He had a base power level of 1200. Even in Oozaru he would have a power level of 12000, not even as strong as base Vegeta at the time!

@Sarah12471

5 ай бұрын

Yes but it also makes them slower because there is so much mass

@Code_orange22

5 ай бұрын

​@@beedos08 I thought it was 1500 still not base Vegeta level but it's better

@user-ct7ix8nz1w

5 ай бұрын

​@@beedos08his base pl is 1500. 1200 - that's Saibamen's pl

There's an old fan made manga that does just this. Bardock convinces King Vegeta, Frieza is going to kill them all. Rather than being a blind idiot, the King listens. They then plan an attack on Frieza and the entire Saiyan army turns great ape, and just destroys Frieza in one giant beautiful blast of death.

@zentazym1

2 ай бұрын

I like the concept, but Frieza would be way too fast to get tagged by even every Saiyan shooting at him at once. It’s not like they can sneak up on him and if they spread the blasts to have a higher chance of hitting him, they sacrifice the power of a combined shot and likely don’t do anything resembling real damage. Frieza just blows up the planet at that point. I think even his lowest form has a power level of 530k, so even if they did manage to sneak up on him in his lowest form, he would still likely have a massive enough speed advantage for it to not matter I know I responded way too seriously lol I’m sure it’s a fun fan manga to read

@kingkarma6917

2 ай бұрын

i readed that

@InfernosReaper

2 ай бұрын

@@zentazym1You're not considering that it's First Form, though, so it's *possible* for a *combined effort* to blindside him It's just not *plausible*

@artemiostriantafyllou7986

2 ай бұрын

this was one of the scenarios in Dragon Ball Multiverse

@zentazym1

2 ай бұрын

@@InfernosReaper I mean I’m just imagine a few thousand great apes somehow sneaking up on him, getting past his army without him or Dodoria or Zarbon noticing, and getting blasted point blank lol. Especially with the Saiyans love of screaming

"Saiyans are only a threat in their ozaru forms" Zenkai boosts: *Hello there.*

@Rivalweb-nr7ol

2 ай бұрын

General Zenki

@vipoerx4532

2 ай бұрын

The Zenkai boosts aren't a joke but, in proper warfare they're getting killed most of the time, thus not going to be benefiting from it.

@KingInBlack69

Ай бұрын

Imo sayans relied too much on those two. They were basically crutches.

@gamingdood2987

Ай бұрын

​@@vipoerx4532​ for real people really be bringing zenkai boost but forget they have to recover from a near death situation to even get one.

@zetset8098

Ай бұрын

Zenkai boost is for plot armored characters. Normal saiyans after many fights still was near 1k or 2k power level.

Zenkai hacks alone make saiyans a pretty op race, let alone all of the transformations.

@olo703

4 ай бұрын

It should have rendered every antagonist ever insignificant. Every Saiyans' struggles are the result of PIS.

@siayanguy

3 ай бұрын

Zenkai is pretty powerful at lower levels but has diminishing returns. By the time of Dragonball Super it basically does nothing.

@olo703

3 ай бұрын

@@siayanguy Zamasu unlocked Super Saiyan Rose with one or two zenkai boosts

@harleyzeth

Ай бұрын

​@@siayanguynah it's just bad writing

Frieza was right to fear them. Even the WEAKEST of their race the low class Saiyans (Kakarot) have the potential to become the strongest in the multiverse.

@Blackguns22

5 ай бұрын

Frieze. Eva ceared them,beerus told him to kill them cuz k8ng vegeta was an.ldiot

@XeKnight344

5 ай бұрын

@@Blackguns22 Dude what happened to your grammar.

@Lando8311

5 ай бұрын

@@Blackguns22nigga had a stroke typing that

@TaeSunWoo

5 ай бұрын

Bardock’s genes and dragon ball wish: 🧐

@aka-fusion8909

5 ай бұрын

frieza was even afraid of bardock in the original special to the point where he sent his men after his squad bc they were getting too strong too fast despite being low class warriors and made fun of by other saiyans

"saiyans get stronger every time they come back from a near death experience" if krillin or yamcha were saiyans they could prolly match buu by the cell saga

@Thesauceman_Gaming

5 ай бұрын

yamcha would be the strongest man alive

@popisolation

5 ай бұрын

​@@Thesauceman_Gamingbut tien trains way more

@IAmMuffin.

5 ай бұрын

@@popisolation but yamcha mostly dies on every screen time he gets

@arnelanat3578

5 ай бұрын

@@IAmMuffin.he sucks

@arnelanat3578

5 ай бұрын

@@popisolationyeah they should have spent ribriane’s screen time on tien instead

Super added some more context regarding the Saiyans place in the army. Saiyans made up nearly half of Frieza's entire staff, so if they did rebel, Frieza's empire would be wrecked, even if he won the war. Frieza decided that having half an army was better than losing his whole empire

It would funny if Sayians went to Namek with intention on conquering it only to get wrecked because there was no moon.

@xender8012

5 ай бұрын

"gokus father was a genius scientist"

@_amc2006

5 ай бұрын

​@@xender8012DIY moon

@Dragofrost7777

5 ай бұрын

They would have tried to fight Nail and he'd fold the whole army by himself with that 42,000

@ChrisMALUKAI

5 ай бұрын

yeah I wonder how Vegeta transformed when he 1st came to earth.. 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

@d3thkn1ghtmcgee74

5 ай бұрын

​@@ChrisMALUKAIhe made his own moon

I think it Also important to mention that most, if all of Friezas elite soldier are implied to be mutants, essentially the strongest possible of each of their respected speices. While even lower class saiyans are still strong enought to blow up Moons

@xender8012

5 ай бұрын

But still saiyans power levels vary from like 500 to 18000 for adults.

@relic5752

5 ай бұрын

@@xender8012 18000 is the exceptional of the exceptional. It's literally Vegeta's claim to fame early on due to his "elite heritage." Outliers aside, the variation is closer to 500 - 9000

@MotherFucker1984

5 ай бұрын

​@@relic5752 with is still stronger than the avarege soldier

@jackstewart2258

5 ай бұрын

​@@relic5752even 9000 was elite radiz who was about average for a sayin was 1200 but that's not bad considering the average freza force soldier was about 600-700 with frizas personal honer guard haveing about 5000. When vegeta says the sayins were the strongest race we have to take into account averages for instance at the start of og dB goku had a power level of 50 he was bullet proof and could easily kill dinosaurs and in his ozaro form he had a pl of 500 which was almost as high as his pl at the start of dbz

@kilambrown4302

5 ай бұрын

​@@jackstewart2258Raditz was considered a low class saiyan.

Pretty disrespectful to call Dodoria and Zarbon Mid Tier soldiers while they are the strongest Freeza Soldiers and hang out with Freeza all the time. Even Cui should be considered High Tier Soldier.

@dainiusvysniauskas2049

5 ай бұрын

They couldn't hold a candle to Ginyu Force, lol

@zacksimmons4146

5 ай бұрын

Isn't the Ginyu Force a mercenary group? I recall from the manga Frieza saying something like he'd prefer not to hire them, but he had no choice. Anyway, I got the impression they aren't part of Frieza Force, they just work for him sometimes

@Rafa-ey6ve

5 ай бұрын

@@zacksimmons4146 You're correct... that's why I didn't mention them, they're not Freeza Soldiers

@AllMight6

5 ай бұрын

@@dainiusvysniauskas2049so that’s frieza main squad the best of best comprised of mutants for their species because of their abnormal power

@sor3999

4 ай бұрын

Seriously, theyre literally his right hand men. Only the Ginyu Force is stronger.

While this might be filler, at the start of the war between the Saiyans and Tuffles, the Tuffles were successfully stalemating them until the moon came out, then it became a blood bath. Transformations, zenkais, and rapid development are what made saiyans one of the deadliest species in the universe rather than their initially decently powerful base form.

@aka-fusion8909

5 ай бұрын

They were only able to stale mate them bc of their tech, in terms of raw power they’re not as strong as the saiyans

@basimali619

5 ай бұрын

@@aka-fusion8909that’s still a good feat, considering that a power level of 1000 is more than enough to destroy a moon.

@reddfeather8007

5 ай бұрын

​@@aka-fusion8909i mean the androids destroyed the z fighters and they're entirely made of tech.

@aka-fusion8909

5 ай бұрын

@@reddfeather8007 actually that’s wrong the androids r part human and part andorid, they’re not entirely made of tech. Android 18 was able to have a baby with krillin since she still has human traits to her

@quinn7427

5 ай бұрын

​@@aka-fusion8909 Android 18 was able to have a baby with Krillin because he wished for her to be human dawg...

The problem with the Ozaru argument here is that all you have to do is cut off their tail and they immediately go back to their normal, weaker form. And as we see in both Z and OG Dragon Ball, the act of cutting the tail off isn't that hard. Edit- So I'm seeing a lot of people pointing out "how would they know to cut off the tail". In irl logic it makes sense, but Yamcha and Bulma figured it out in Dragon Ball the very first time they saw Goku transform. And it doesn't seem like the Saiyans took any great strides to keep it a secret at any other point in the series.

@kellytibbs3815

5 ай бұрын

Mm I call this plot armor, in reality, you’d imagine a top ranked royal & experienced fighter would be well aware of this and have a protection method for battles

@marshallyoungmandy8434

5 ай бұрын

You are underestimating the intelect and strategy of the Z fighters, also Vegeta was likely weakened at that moment. The Z fighters could dance around much stronger oponents, because Frieza elite soldiers almost entirely relied on their scouters. While Vegeta himself is clearly some sort of battle Genius since although he got beaten, he also somehow learned to sense ki.

@BigMacBurgr

5 ай бұрын

If the Oozaru tail was that big of a weakness they couldn't overcome then they wouldn't have been as big of a problem as they were

@relic5752

5 ай бұрын

Or destroy the moon/energy orb giving them the transformation. Hell, if they are gunning for you and you have the ability to choose the battlefield, you could pick somewhere like Namek where the moon is a non-issue

@relic5752

5 ай бұрын

​@@BigMacBurgrThey weren't though, most Saiyans were weak in comparison to most of the Frieza Force. Using an exception like Vegeta and an easily countered transformation as a reference point doesn't really change that

I love how we all consider frieza evil for killing the saiyans, when it only makes sense to do so.

@delano4526

Ай бұрын

Well he did hold them as sl_ves in the first place

@jonathanleake6176

Ай бұрын

How does doing something that "makes since" , change whether it is an evil act or not.

It's also important to note that guys like the Ginyu Force are almost certainly exceptional examples among their species like Krillin is to humans, and Vegeta absolutely wrecks average Frieza Force soldiers. Fact of the matter is, the man was a planetary threat even BEFORE he got a power boost from having Goku's foot up his ass, and most of Frieza's soldiers just ain't there.

Bardock is proof that Frieza was right to fear Saiyan potential. He was a low class meaning he should have been incredibly weak. Yet with a power level of 10,000, he could beat most of Frieza's army as a Great Ape. Frieza would have had to call in the Ginyu force just to deal with one low class Saiyan.

@FantomMisfit

5 ай бұрын

Tbf Bardock rivaled King Vegeta and thus kind of an outlier the dude was just a tough fighter and kept fighting when others died thus repeatedly getting zenkai boosts.

@jersont.3339

5 ай бұрын

That would be only the toei bardock, canon bardock at most would've 1,500 when he fought frieza and that's after the zenkai with gas

@artsy7448

5 ай бұрын

@@jersont.3339 is that fact or just a guess.

@luxaeterna365

5 ай бұрын

The only ones stronger tham him would've been Ginyu and Frieza himself

@artsy7448

5 ай бұрын

@@luxaeterna365 yeah, which is kinda wild. the great Ape form is kinda underrated. A 10x power up is insane when you think about it. Literally any saiyan with a power level of at least 1,000 instantly becomes a planet buster with the great ape form.

My favorite Tenkaichi 3 song. Survive

@ramsdabombsgaming8983

3 ай бұрын

Thanks to you I found my favorite song name

@dangerdude

Ай бұрын

Memory unlocked. You're a lifesaver.

This would explain why it's so easy for kid Trunks and Goten to become super saiyan

The issue with power coming from oozaru is that it has major weak points. (Needing the moon, cut off the tail ends the transformation, lack of control for the majority of users, and not to mention their size.) While size and speed is useful, there are spots where most cannot reach like the middle of the back and the bigger you are the bigger those spots become.

@relic5752

5 ай бұрын

Finally someone remarks on one the biggest weakness to the form: lack of control. The Broly movie even goes out of its way to show that there are Saiyans like Bito that *have never transformed into the Ozaru.* Why? Because being a gigantic, wild lycanthropic monkey is counterintuitive to maintaining a civilization

@BC21beats

5 ай бұрын

The power difference is usually enough only one who would stand a chance is ginyu

@luxaeterna365

5 ай бұрын

They don't need the moon, Vegeta transformed without one, also we only ever saw 2 saiyans being unable to control their ozaru form, and they were specifically untrained ones.

@relic5752

5 ай бұрын

@@luxaeterna365 Bito and Paragus in the Broly movie effectively confirm that most Saiyans don't have any control *and* there are Saiyans who have *never* transformed. Ozaru control is rare

@AllMight6

5 ай бұрын

Also the moon weakness is pretty bad when anyone with PL of 400 can blow it up casually

Lets also remember the average Saiyan, has a power level around 1200. What we learn in Dbs Broly, is that beings with power levels over 1000 are very rare. 5 or 6 low rank saiyans transforming into Oozaru could wipe out most planets.

And frieza noticing the Saiyans getting stronger caused him to fear that the legendary super Saiyan may be soon upon them, and so he destroys planet Vegeta to make sure it doesn't

@kingnothing5678

3 ай бұрын

I can understand Frieza's line of thinking of generations getting stronger. Buu Saga Goten and Trunks could duo the whole taskforce Frieza brought to Namek.

Keep in mind if Nappa was still around, He'd powerful enough to keep up with some of Frieza's strongest men if he transformed as well with a PL of over 40,000. And after Earth he'd only be even stronger.

Broly: 🗿

@GodhandPhemto

5 ай бұрын

He was Friezas henchman for like an hour lol, part of that work release program.

@Master0ogway

5 ай бұрын

@@GodhandPhemto yeah then he beat beat the shit out of frieza in golden form using ssj

@coffee-cz7qt

28 күн бұрын

It super Saiyan+his ikari state

@Master0ogway

28 күн бұрын

@@coffee-cz7qt ikari state is just angry boi mode

I wonder if Beerus secretly felt the same way as Freeza in wiping nearly all of them out?

@thegruntking7605

5 ай бұрын

Beerus was FAR beyond even a super saiyan 3, not even a super saiyan god was enough to beat him, no way in hell he could’ve ever felt threatened by the saiyans getting stronger like Frieza did.

@lapplandkun9273

5 ай бұрын

@@thegruntking7605 In DBS, Beerus was the one who gave frieza informal permission to wipe them out, along with frieza's growing fear of a super saiyan

@TheCoolerEssence

5 ай бұрын

@@lapplandkun9273 That's because of how defiant and stingy they were. He didn't want to bother with destroying the planet but since Frieza exclaimed his fears he just let him destroy them since they were annoying him. It was not because of fear.

@maalikserebryakov

3 ай бұрын

Beerus literally looking for Super Saiyan God smoke Frieza was having nightmares about a super saiyan You donthe math

Even the Warrior Clan Namekians are strongest than Saiyans bruh EDIT: Looks like I need to make myself more clear; Low-Class Saiyans PL: 1 to 500 Average Warrior Clan Namekians PL: 1000 to 3000 Mid-Class Saiyans PL: 1000+ Stronger Warrior Clan Namekians PL: 10000+ Elite Saiyans PL: 10000+ Strongest Warrior Clan Namekians PL: 40000 Hell, Piccolo as a kid proved Namekians can grow powerful like Saiyans WITHOUT Zenkai boosts, SOLELY grow more powerful through TRAINING ALONE which makes them more advantageous then Saiyans

@MotherFucker1984

5 ай бұрын

Nail was an outlier

@TheCoolerEssence

5 ай бұрын

Well, something to point out is that Saiyans as an entire species were not allowed to grow as much as they could've because of Frieza. Frieza greatly reduced how much power they could gain. When the Saiyans were fighting for Planet Vegeta against the Truffles they were at a stalemate due to the Truffles Technology. The moment it became night tons of Zenkais and Oozaru Transformations hit and the Truffles literally didn't stand a chance. The battle increase their Power by a lot. The development of their power is why they are so terrifying, It's no wonder Frieza kept such a close eye on them. I mean, think of Vegeta after the Saiyan Saga, he became lots more powerful. he became even more powerful after he restored himself using the healing pod after getting beat up. And then he got a third Zenkai boost which made him stronger than Goku's Kaioken x2 and he could easily beat the Ginyu Force. After being mortally wounded by Krillin, Vegeta is healed by Dende. HUGE power boost. He's estimated to have 2.5 million by then. We also have to consider the fact that Until Broly appeared there were no Mutants (Beings that are born much stronger than the rest of their race, like Frieza or his non-cannon brother Cooler). If Frieza wasn't so effective at controlling the Saiyans there is no doubt in my mind that he would've had every right to be afraid.

@vegeta002

5 ай бұрын

@@TheCoolerEssence We've seen what the Saiyans would be like without Freeza's control; the still-living Saiyan race from Universe 6. Those Saiyans didn't even have any kind of transformations and their weakest could probably trounce Namek-saga full-power Freeza.

@luxaeterna365

5 ай бұрын

Neil was the only one with a power higher than 10,000. Radditz as an ozaru could defeat everyone aside from him, and he was low class.

@tanjeeschuan4999

5 ай бұрын

​@@luxaeterna365nail is about 50k

Another thing is that the Ozaru's biggest weakness, that being a necessity for the moon to be out to transform into one, was counteracted by the invention of the 'power ball' technique. While as we see it in the show, it is taxing on the user, remember that one Saiyan could use technique, and every other Saiyan could benefit from it.

I remember vegeta did say once that his race was weak because they depended too much on their tails

@KingInBlack69

Ай бұрын

This. Oozaru and zenkai were crutches.

Even their low class warriors like Goku and Raditz were planet buster capable since the Oozaru form never seems to tire and can basically keep fighting until the whole planet is gone. Couple that with Vegeta being able to control the form and make his own moon and its no wonder they were feared

I think there’s a solid shot Raditz could beat omniman.

@MinorityDestroyer

4 ай бұрын

I'm pretty sure omniman is weirdly fast though

Put some respect on the prince name. When Yaljorobe chopped off his tail he literally cut off some of his pride.😂

There was that one fan manga where an army of ozaru went up against Frieza and won.

@KingInBlack69

Ай бұрын

Name?

The Ginyu force was the exception, not the example. Zarbon, Dodoria, and Cui were super elites, the strongest Frieza had. His elites and normal soldiers were not that strong.

Broly's Ikari form isn't stated to be an exclusive form to him. It's the Great Ape without the disadvantage of needing a moon or a moon-like construct and growing in size exponentially. I'd say that this is the true, mastered version of the Great Ape form. Broly officially does not have a tail in DBS, so the form can be accessed without one. In GT Great Ape can be combined with Super Saiyan. If this is the case, imagine someone using Base SSJ + Ikari. They get a 500x multiplier, which is greater than SSJ3 (400x), in addition to having 0 stamina/power drain downsides. Assuming that Ikari and Broly's Full power SSJ (aka SSJ) are two different forms. You could have a 500x (SSJ1), 1000x (SSJ2) and a 4000x (SSJ3) multiplier. As an example, Goku at the end of namek (3,000,000) would have a power level of 1.5 Billion. For comparison, Goku at Namek would be stronger than post Time Chamber Cell Games SSJ Vegeta and SSJ1 Grade 2 Vegeta. SSJ G2 power level is around 1 billion (estimated, could be wrong).

@jojomorrison6405

5 ай бұрын

Ssj g1 trunks was atleast 2x king cold who was stated to be atleast 2x mecha frieza by krillin and others whos stated to be stronger than 100% frieza already you have a 480 million power level. Then trunks goes into the time chamber and gets above imperfect cell and semi perfect cell who im going to lowball imperfect cell at 600 million ( for beating piccolo who was able to go hand to hand with people that 1 shot trunks) And lowball his semi perfect transformation to be a 2x multiplier. Thats 1.2 billion, then take into consideration vegeta went into the time chamber again and was atleast 5x imperfect cell so 6 billion. But even after all that vegeta says a half powered ssj goku has surpassed him again so another 4 x multiplier Making this now 24 billion just for full power ssj goku. And lowballed.

@maalikserebryakov

3 ай бұрын

No reason u cant stack ikari with Ssj2

I never watched dragon ball series completely. I’m just about to rewatch it. I never realized vegeta started with freiza, the man who killed of his planet

And at 180K Yajarobie brought the slice and dice

@crackball22

5 ай бұрын

This actually got me thinking, so, normally just bc of a ki barrier when your defenses are up you're bullet proof, basically immune to basic attacks, and can only really be hurt if they can get through the ki barrier with an attack or something. So, I'm wondering, how tf did he manage to cut off Vegetas tail with just a normal sword? Vegeta was still in control of his mind and at 180k there's NOTHING that Yajirobe should have been able to do to get through the barrier and cut that off, I think only Krillin should have been able to do it at that that point lmao

@Grandflea02

3 ай бұрын

​@@crackball22 Yajirobe had just eaten 12 senzu beans, he put a full years worth of energy into that one slice

@maalikserebryakov

3 ай бұрын

@@crackball22maybe the tail stays weak

@LikelyDeserved

2 ай бұрын

​@@crackball22a few things that can explain it: 1) Vegeta is laughing maniacally completely off guard when it happens 2) yajirobe might be weak compared to Goku & the others but he still possesses superhuman strength & speed in his own right, capable of lightning quick movements and such 3) anything with such a tiny surface area as a samurai sword requires exponential density to withstand

@Burn_Angel

2 ай бұрын

It's simple. The ki barrier is an active thing not a passive one. It's like hardening your muscles to brace yourself before an impact. If you don't brace yourself, you get the full blow's damage, and as we all know, swords were made to cut through meat. Without an active ki barrier, the tail didn't stand a chance against a sharp object.

Only by technicality, the ozaru form is the only form that requires outside help to maintain. No full moon, no ozaru true they had the power ball but I’m willing to bet Ginyu is probably smart enough to destroy it negating the transformation in it’s entirety and leaving Geets in a worse position than he started. At the rate the sayians were going it would take centuries to even match even form one Frieza without the ozaru form which would be needed because frieza is fast enough to remove the tail and or destroy power ball/ moon. An ozaru would never beat frieza

@tuukkalaine

5 ай бұрын

How... do you destroy... A power ball? I mean... Can you destroy a power ball?

@atrckr-bf7de

5 ай бұрын

brooly might have influenced friezas decision and nothing stopping vegeta from making more moons. even if vegeta isent the strongest because of that weakness he could still be practically half as strong. he still is a treat and much stronger than we give him credit definitely stronger than friezas hands so even though yes he likely coud not beat ginyu and other top ranks even giant ape he still is in the top 5. also the super saiyan legend played a big role .

@triforceofcourage100

5 ай бұрын

@@tuukkalaine I don’t see why not it’s a ki construct and we’ve seen those destroyed before. You can probably overwhelm it by blasting it away the group never thought to attempt this instead opting for the brute force approach.

@ojpickle5923

5 ай бұрын

​@@triforceofcourage100it wouldn't take centuries it would realistically just take a handful of tryhards to catapult the whole race. Bardock was already surpassing gass who was "beyond Saiyan strength" his strength would have eventually been noticed if they all survived. Since it's implied he rivaled the royal family it would have sent shockwaves through the Saiyan class culture. Plus the healing pod tech was getting way better every year. In ROF we see frieza regenerate entire limbs. (Namek saga pods couldn't even regenerate the tail.) All it takes is one tryhard to take advantage of that. I could see that taking a couple decades but definitely less than 100 years before a handful reached Frieza level.

@JARMIDz

5 ай бұрын

⁠​⁠​⁠@@triforceofcourage100 ​​⁠​⁠​⁠ if someone would match the saiyan in power, the saiyan wouldn’t just not let them blow the power ball, if try to do it, it would just leave them open for attack. Goku didn’t even think of trying to blow it up, even though he’s the smartest fighter in DBZ. If goku didn’t think of blowing it up, I don’t think it’s something you can just blast away, even if it is, goku didn’t come up with that solution, so I don’t think anyone else would. Vegeta also went to try and kill gohan before he transformed, instead of trying to destroy the power ball, and he had a lot of time to do that. With all of that information, the only solutions are to cut off the tail or just beat the transformed saiyan

I mean Nappa could take on Cui Zarbon Dodoria Guldo and maybe Recoome or Burter individually due to them being around 40k but the great ape would be overwhelming

Not only that but just the whole "healing after almost dying" gives them a permanent power boost. Even dying and coming back to life is a power boost.

Well that does it,daima has to bring back the ape form for a finale

@munjee2

5 ай бұрын

Don't correct me by saying they're monkeys, because apes don't have tails, monkeys, humans etc are all great apes

@kirbythegameryt9364

5 ай бұрын

If Daima ends up becoming a Super Dragon Ball Heroes II where it has stuff from GT and Super mashing together, I would be ALL for it because I don't think either of the shows are terrible, I think the Zamasu & Goku Black and Tournament of Power arcs are great additions to the story, and the things GT added are also good (mainly the Shadow Dragons, and SSJ4)

If I'm not mistaken, there were several references to the fact that Saiyans were considered trash UNLESS in their Oozaru form and then were considered the most frightening members of the Frieza Force. That's probably why so many characters are trash talking Vegeta after he lost his tail in the Saiyan Saga and they knew it wasn't a worry anymore.

@jersont.3339

5 ай бұрын

It's not quite like that, the saiyans were a race with low population but they always had a good enough level to be dangerous and since most of them liked to fight they only grew stronger and stronger hence why they were a problem to other races, the oozaru was also something that helped in those conquest to make it faster or deal with stronger or more problematic enemies

While I do agree to some extent, when turned into the Oozaru, the Saiyans become a very big target with some fairly limited options. Yes, Vegeta is able to control the form, as is Raditz and Nappa, but because of their size, they can become far easier to hit with moves like the Death Beam, which Frieza is very accurate with. Not to mention the need for an artificial moon in the first place, which would make Vegeta the priority one target to kill first.

It also helped that every saiyan from the elite to the lowest ranked were extremely capable fighters. Raditz, who had an abysmal power level, I think could pretty easily take on all Frieza's regular soldiers(on Namek) who were supposedly all around his power level.

You forget, ginyu has that body snatching technique and wouldn't pass up a chance to steal vegetas body if he knew he was much stronger than him.

Is broly one of the reasons for the destruction of planet Vegeta

Actually Goku mindset was the key for him becoming so powerful for a low class, and changing Vegeta too. Vegeta was too realistic, when he saw a threat like Gnyu forces or Freeza he used to rrun away but Goku will power showed him the true power of Sayans: hard trainning and never stop fighting. Vegeta teaming up with Goku and Kulilin was the moment he "started to be like Goku"

People forget that Cui only matched Vegeta's power level in base form, so Great Ape Vegeta could have wiped the floor with him as Vegeta retains his reason as a Great Ape! Really goes to show how powerful Great Ape Vegeta was!

Frieza just wasn't happy with idea of being one day stomped to death by giant apes.

It also makes sense why they were so weak compared to the U6 saiyans, who outclass them in every way. (Besides Goku & co.) The U6 saiyans were defenders, always putting their lives on the line to protect others. That means more zenkais throughout the generations, meaning stronger warriors. Meanwhile the U7 Saiyans are only sent to planets that are weaker than they are, and often rely on the great ape form to conquer planets. Less zenkais meaning weaker warriors.

@MalosiVA

Ай бұрын

If you put all the U6 Saiyans in a room with all the U7 Saiyans (Minus Goku & co.) the latter is gonna get bodied even with their great ape forms. Cabba is living proof of U6’s flourishing and fully tapped-into Saiyan potential. And this was before Vegeta taught him SSJ.

I'm pretty sure it was stated somewhwre that Frieza and his best men were also all mutants with power unique to them and them alone, not their individual races. So when someone says the saiyans are the strongest race there is, they're not entirely wrong.

Of course all it took was slicing off the tail for that 180,000 power level to drop back down to 18,000.

Tbh the whole of U7 was extremely weak. Like, any of the fodder fighters in the TOP would have whooped 100% Freiza easily

@leapardbone

5 ай бұрын

Ok

@IHateThisCommunity

5 ай бұрын

To be fair we have no idea what their histories are, so they could have had similar jumps in power to U7.

@celldh0825

5 ай бұрын

@@IHateThisCommunity Fair. But it's implied the U6 Saiyans and Frost have been around for a long time.

@MrJokerSenpai

5 ай бұрын

​@@IHateThisCommunitythis is why i dislike people throwing a fit over the universe 6 saiyan's strength. The universe 6 saiyans not only have evolved beyond Universe 7 Saiyans, but they're also keepers of the peace, and fight for good, them being so strong makes sense when you stop viewing them the same as U7 saiyans.

@Fan-nt4ij

5 ай бұрын

​@@Joey-up5dy They literally met all the requirements to become SSJ. Pure heart, high battle power and plenty of s-cells. All they required was a push.

Except the artificial moon Vegeta required to transform at will took a while to create. Any of Friezas minions are gunna stomp Vegeta before he has a chance to create it.

insane to think that Vegeta in his most powerful form in the saiyan saga was 180K and now Vegeta in Ultra Ego is supposed to be around 15 Septillion or something like that

Very true. The main reason Vegeta had an uphill battle when fighting Frieza's army was because he didn't have his tail anymore.

bro the tenkaichi ost goes so hard

Yes, but also remember that while Vegeta's strength increases through Oozaru, the Oozaru form itself doesn't increase speed (it doesn't decrease it either) So Vegeta may be *hitting* at a 180,000 level, but he's *moving* at 18,000 speed. So while Zarbon/Dodoria could theoretically lose to Oozaru, Ginyu force would've still likely won due to the massive speed gap.

@Sashil01

4 ай бұрын

I'm pretty sure I've seen you elsewhere on KZread 👓 Perhaps even more than once. It must've been on (an)other DB-related comment(s)

Vegeta is the most badass saiyan that ever lived, everything came natural to kakarot, but with Vegeta it was pure determination and will

@billyboleson2830

Ай бұрын

Fax

“Vegeta wasn’t the strongest member of Frieza’s army, Or was he 🤨” *Vsauce theme drops*

To be honest, Frieza literally save the universe. I mean look, Most saiyan is redeemable but what make them redeem themselves? Vegeta, one of the most evil saiyan, had to realize that he's not growing if he continues in his own way as Goku surpass him. It took strength for Saiyan to relearned their way and if they left unchecked they will become tumor that consumed universe 7 eventually

@Frappezious

3 ай бұрын

not really. universe 6 saiyans arent evil. Frieza likely encouraged ruthlessness and kept them underdeveloped and barbaric on purpose to limit their growth.

@sinistor3727

3 ай бұрын

@@Frappezious keep in mind that U7 Saiyan move from planet Salada to planet truffle and conquer it after Yamoshi the previous super Saiyan before Goku was defeated by army of Oozaru unlike U6 Saiyan that stay on planet Salada in their origin. There's no confirmation about King Cold involvement in their relocation so I can only assume the worst that Saiyan in U7 is just evil.

@AdiKhan-kv6lx

Ай бұрын

No he didn't.

Technically Broly is the strongest member of the Frieza Force

People forget the great ape was what made sayajin great. Producing false moonlight for a team who retain their skill and cunning was a fear even frieze felt

Here's the caveat though... Vegeta wouldn't have had a battle power of 180,000 as an Ōzaru unless he looked at a natural full moon, which isn't exactly something that was readily at his fingertips anytime he needed, faaaaar from it in fact. When he was forced to use the Power Ball to instead generate artificial Bruits Waves, his battle power went down considerably. Recall that when Vegeta noticed the moon had been destroyed after getting knocked halfway into the stratosphere by Gokū's 4x Kaiōken-boosted Kamehame-Ha, he remarks "My battle power may go down somewhat, but there doesn't seem to be any other way." Upon going back down to Gokū and creating the Ball, Gokū thinks "The moment that strange light started glowing, his Ki dropped". So while an exact degree is never given, clearly creating the Power Ball alone costs a nonetheless noticeable and not inconsequential amount of Ki. The 10x multiplication upon transforming would thereby apply to his reduced battle power. So even if he had created a Power Ball at the start of his fight with Gokū, his battle power as an Ōzaru would have been a fair amount less than 180,000. But obviously, given that he had already taken a good bit of damage from Gokū's 3-4x Kaiōken assault, it's quite possible that his battle power was under 100,000 when he transformed. Which still was VASTLY more than enough to make the situation hopeless for Gokū, who was on his last limbs anyway after pushing his body so far pasts its limit with the 4x Kaiōken.

@Midnight_Metro

5 ай бұрын

Very good analysis. Never thought of it like that, but that certainly makes sense. I'm sure creating an artificial moon was a very advanced technique at the time. I'm speculating, but I assume losing a full powered beam struggle (against a 4x Kaioken Kamehameha) would be pretty taxing on the body. I think it'd be reasonable to assume he would be reduced to half power (at least), meaning 9,000. If creating an artificial moon costs another 25% of his energy he'd be at 6,750. Oozaru form brings that to 67,500. Still terrifyingly powerful this early in the series, but even a few Ginyu Force members should be able to take him down (with difficulty). Just goes to show the immense potential the Saiyans had.

Facts vegeta in the sayin saga was the strongest sayin ever and had the most potential of the sayins excluding broly.

Saiyans’ potential and transformations are so OP

Given the fact that Vegeta can just go great ape whenever he wanted he was actually a massive threat prior to him getting it cut off by Yajirobe

For anyone wondering what the soundtrack is: Dragon Ball Z Budokai Tenkaichi 3 - Survive

Freiza made one smart move wiping the Saiyans out. Then a series of incredibly stupid moves like recruiting Vegeta and co, letting Goku even challenge him in the first place, not blowing up earth from orbit, etc.

There was a popular fan manga that showed what would happen if Bardock got the sayains to rebel with him and plan it. Several of them around that 10,000 power level range waited for Freeza's ship to arrive, sent a couple of sabotagers to the ship, and then used the artificial moon to transform. 10 beams of 100,000 power level shits slam into Freeza's ship before he can transform, ending Freeza, Zarbon, and Didoria. Freeza picked the right time to wipe them out.

Bro, imagine pre-Saiyan Saga Vegeta needing Great Ape just to surpass Cui

Vegeta was stronger than his father as a child.

Saiyan Saga Vegeta was by far the coolest Vegeta, dude was a straight up menace.

Sometimes I forget that Oozarus were the Main Thing Saiyans Were Known For bc it dropped out entirely after the saiyan saga

Frieza was always right to fear the saiyans.

Gracias hermano, me tomó mucho tiempo encontrarlo antes de que apareciera este video.

And if he actually regrew his tail after nearly dying in the sayian saga his power would roughly be have of friezas first form

their biggest strength is growth not just through generations but also through struggles - Goku was the prime example.

This makes me think of an alternative universe where they survived & were conquerers for awhile. Until they gave it up to maintain a more stable existence.

that's why Cui when he noticed Vegeta lost his tail underestimate him not knowing the Zenkai Boosts Vegeta received after escaping Earth 😁

Yajirobe: I have a power level of sword

Carthus: The Saiyans were pretty... *Weak* Vegeta: WHAT!? 😂😂😂

I just realized that means that gohan, krillin and Goku took out someone stronger than captain ginyu before even leaving earth

Berus told freeza to wipe out the saiyans due to king vegetas greediness.

I bet Frieza was scared of their potential too, since the zenkai boost is a thing. Probably would have just made them great soldiers on paper but their pride and individuality maked them more disobedient.

It's especially important because it isn't like they could ONLY enter that form during a full moon. Vegeta was clearly able to just create an artificial moon by sacrificing a chunk of his ki. There really was nothing stopping the entirety of planet vegeta from all going great ape and completely annihilating Freeza's army. Sure, Freeza still would've killed them, but the losses that might've been done to his numbers would've been infuriating at best, and devastating at worst.

Though the Saiyan's don't seem very strong at first, they all had the potential to *become* strong, strong enough to rival gods. Even without training and purely through generational growth, the Saiyan's would simply keep growing and growing.

« Or was he » then cooks

Realisticly all frieza would have had to do was cut their tails off

So we not gonna talk about how Vegeta was naked?

Saiyans weren't born strong like frieza or broly but their potential of breaking limits over and over allows then to rise into power the more they fight Imagine and army of super saiyans hell probably an army of super saiyan 4s if not super saiyan gods Imagine how devastating that can be if the saiyans were on the level of Gods

In all the years I’ve read db, I’ve never thought of this. Awesome job ❤

I forgot about/never thought about it that way. Good short.

Universe 6 planet Sadala Saiyans not being some space Hitler's lapdog is the reason why their base forms are stronger than U7 Saiyans. Super Saiyan transformation being a 50× multiplier also means that weakling like Radditz, even in super Saiyan form, would still lose to the weakest Ginyu force member.

@dainiusvysniauskas2049

5 ай бұрын

To be fair, SSJ Radditz would be able to take out most of Ginyu force, with the exception being Ginyu himself.

@AllMight6

5 ай бұрын

⁠​⁠@@dainiusvysniauskas2049eh he’d be equal to jeice and burter

Don't forget that the humanity has no chances to kill Picoro Daimao, and Raditz depicted his son (that was a lot stronger than his father) as "almost decent" That means that even a low class saiyan can wipe out an civilization of billions The personal guard of Frieza has powers around 500 ans 1500, and Frieza's army has really low members, knowing that he is a conqueror (he has a lot of species under his hand), they are the top of the universe, even Beerus said that will be easier to find strong warriors in the Frieza force

people forget how crazy of a power boost the ozaru is. it's no super saiyan, but a 10x power boost is nothing to sneeze at, especially when taking zenkai boosts into consideration

Vegets had control over his Oozaru form as well. Ironically, the Oozaru form is probably what held the Saiyans back from actually overthrowing Frieza because they didn’t receive Zenkai boosts from combat if using that form.