I miss the old OTOMATIC

@MrAlexsa2

8 ай бұрын

same

@I_Rllydontcare

8 ай бұрын

I don’t miss fighting them:)

@joenutsack9486

8 ай бұрын

back when Italy was good

@intheend6324

8 ай бұрын

The old OTO was what made me grind Italy. Also I think your radar not going down is a glitch.

@rorangeshepdogz2134

8 ай бұрын

Can you make a video using the tiny rim rocket?

Fun fact, the APFS-DS is actually used IRL to shoot down missiles while the HE is used for aircraft and drones. That's how precise the darts are. In game, from the beginning, Gijin decided to make its darts shoot everywhere but where you aim and like the Arietes' armor, they refuse to fix it

8 ай бұрын

Oh and the 40mm BOFORS HE-VT somehow does more damage to planes than the OTOMATIC 73mm

@tomaszmazurowski149

8 ай бұрын

Well, soviet design game, so obviously soviet armor is best armor, and the rest is here just to feed soviets with frags.

@cringothebot276

8 ай бұрын

You should leak classified documents on the War Thunder forums that will get their attention

@GBR9794

8 ай бұрын

@@tomaszmazurowski149 this, plus over 50% of gajin investors are russian. they are just pretending to not be russian while living on other countries with putin's cash.

@ishiddddd4783

8 ай бұрын

not like the ariete armor would get a huge improvement lol

The Otomatic is one of the biggest examples of Italians getting screwed over by BR placement.

@nevetz845

7 ай бұрын

The comparison between 2S38 and Otomatic APFSDS ammo count is an even greater example

@theLaRRy333

7 ай бұрын

@@nevetz845 waaaaaay back some years ago I heard that the ammo count (APFSDS) of OTO was so low due to it being SPAA with the capability of defending itself. But with 2S38 in game this is a complete Bull* and cover for a nerf of a funny nation.

@nevetz845

7 ай бұрын

​@@theLaRRy333 yeah heard kinda the same back in the day when Otomatic was, like, 9.3 and it made sense, but today? It's already borderline useless against aircrafts, outshined both in BR and performance by ruski premium.. Gaijin being Gaijin

@DesignatedVictim

7 ай бұрын

I just grinded to the top tier of Italian tech trees and I can confirm that anything beyond BR 10.0 is a joke in the Italian Ground tree while the 3 F-104s sitting at 11.0 and 11.3 are just sad.

@nokommie8055

7 ай бұрын

It's the example of Italian tech tree just being sadly overpowered by any other nation, as Italian, it just makes me disappointed, especially when they make Russian ground and air just op

High tier is just so broken. The dude rushed, got a single cap, J'd out, and got a helicopter with like 16 ATGMs and instantly started killing people who hadn't even pushed past the first objective yet...

@prancer8934

8 ай бұрын

peak gaijin "game design"

@HunterSteel29

8 ай бұрын

And you'll get CAS and Heli mains who defend it.

@BringMeThatHorizon2000

8 ай бұрын

Had 2 dudes with the 300mm Russian truck each spawn kill at least 2 players at the literal start of the match then both got the pe-8 with 5k bomb and wiped the entire team. Great game

@legaroojack1251

8 ай бұрын

@@HunterSteel29 " No dude you don't understand, cas players only kill campers. Spawn/ revenge bombing doesn't happen."

@StarkRaven59

8 ай бұрын

Do you remember the low-mid-tier tactic of rushing a cap in a BT-7, J-ing out and spawning a Pe-8 with the giant bomb? It's nothing really new.

As an Italian main, it hurts that the tanguska and 2S38 is way better and has a lower br then the otomatic

@grenadier6483

8 ай бұрын

Well of course, they're Russian vehicles.

@hewkan8481

8 ай бұрын

What ever Gaijin is smoking, I want some of it 😂

@DrinkWaterWithMouth

8 ай бұрын

I mean it’s Russian bias what did you expect

@evanderdaniel8443

8 ай бұрын

The Otomatic used to be 9.7(?) back then, and that's where it belonged.

@loganwalker8537

8 ай бұрын

the tunguska isnt even that good lol its rockets or missles miss 90% of target that are fly straight and 80% of the targets evading

Otomatic was hurting the sales of the Ka-50 so yeah they nerfed it to oblivion

@nickkozak4763

7 ай бұрын

ADATS is KA-50 destroyer though… as well as tanks.

@youredad9250

7 ай бұрын

@@nickkozak4763 true, but I was only “speculating” OTO was amazing at stealth killing helicopters it still is in a way but it doesn’t deserve to be at its current BR

@viktoriyaserebryakov2755

7 ай бұрын

@@youredad9250 Assuming they're greedy pigs who only care about money is a safer bet than assuming anything that benefits a Russian vehicle was a direct order from Putin.

"A good performing vehicle that isn't Russian? Now we can't have that." - Gaijin probably

@stick_person857

8 ай бұрын

I hate that that’s true

@aiedenoldstien9751

8 ай бұрын

Especially if its American. Because Gajin treats tanks like the third party profucts

@unclesam5733

8 ай бұрын

Idk. I completed Russian and German tech trees. Currently grinding US top tier. And the best top-tier tank for me? Definitely M1A2 and M1A1 AIM. BVM is cool, but it gets outperformed by the Abrams easily. Leo suffers due to low ammo count in the turret and horrible thermal. The T80/72s are not that hard to kill. If you possess at least 2 brain cells, you can do it. They love to go boom. Sadly, the teams you get are absolutely disabled and winning is a hard task.

@daftcow706

8 ай бұрын

russian bias thing is a fad, people are just really bad at this game and the gaijin moments that happen if and only its a russian tank people scream and cream. like as a german main seeing all the people coping with the fact the leo1 is at a br it should be and not under BRed by 1 is just a reminder that most people suck at this game

@daftcow706

8 ай бұрын

@@unclesam5733 exactly seeing all my german teammates malding over bias after shooting the worst possible spot on a t80. i get when people complain about ammo not blowing up, but that happens to everyone and every nation its just gajin being bad

The Otomatic is in a much better place than it was a year ago. I got the radar arc fixed, another guy got the IRST fixed, and another guy got the tracer removed. There is currently a closed bug report in the system for removing the APFSDS cap (The name "OTOMATIC APFSDS limit should be removed" because KZread isn't fond of external links). TrickZZter, being the good old sub human garbage he is, closed it because he intentionally targets Italian vehicles (I have had multiple bug reports get closed for no reason by him on Italian vehicles and after resubmitting got acknowledged and pushed by other mods no problem).

@1nv15BL3

8 ай бұрын

"The Otomatic is in a much better place than it was a year ago" = "The chocolate ration has been increased from 30 to 20 grams"

@whohashamburger855

8 ай бұрын

No matter what site it is, moderators will always power trip where ever they can.

@WirableCrown1

8 ай бұрын

The mods are trash, human garbage

@arandomcommenter412

8 ай бұрын

deserved

@interpl6089

8 ай бұрын

@@whohashamburger855 Steam Forums are Great Example, I completely left WT Redit because the mods there are absolute shitheads

A change as simple as increasing its sabot capacity would be a huge deal.

@giovannifoulmouth7205

8 ай бұрын

I'm sorry but if it doesn't have that many sabot rounds irl, then it shouldn't have them in game either. This thing with 50 sabot rounds would be a menace.

@HobbolinGobbolin

7 ай бұрын

@@giovannifoulmouth7205 There's a good bit of tanks that are inaccurate for the sake of improving their gameplay or balancing.

@InterstellarTaco

7 ай бұрын

​@giovannifoulmouth7205 this game isn't realistic whatsoever so it doesn't matter. Planes especially have weapon and flight model nerfs in order to balance them.

@ZzVinniezZ

7 ай бұрын

@@giovannifoulmouth7205 yeah and yet HO-RI (which never been built) is somehow in the game and chew on sabot shell like it was nothing. this is a video game, giving Otomagic some re-balance with extra 12 APFSDS doesn't hurt anyone, it chew ammo like crazy with its fire rate, mind i remind u T-80BVM's era armor can eat 500mm AP round as if it was HEAT

@toxicmuggle5788

7 ай бұрын

​@@giovannifoulmouth7205As if the 2S38 could carry 100 rounds if APDS as a Prototype vehicle that performs better in literally every way is somehow worse than this thing with 12 rounds of it.

Meanwhile the 2s38 having unlimited apfsds, because gaijin decided it whould be a light tank

@CobarGG

7 ай бұрын

Its not even have proxy fuse rounds irl. Only timer fuse ones.

@ThePussukka

7 ай бұрын

THERE'S NO RUSSIAN BIAS IN THE GAME, STOP IT ALREADY

@kauangarcia9236

7 ай бұрын

don´t cry, stop it already@@ThePussukka

If you want to suffer with bad aa more, then play the ZUT-37 :)

@justmarc2015

8 ай бұрын

Everyone knows it's actually a tank destroyer

@TheArklyte

8 ай бұрын

​@@justmarc2015 that would have been true IF 1)instead of 37mm 61-K autocannon it was 45mm 49-K that was adopted into service; 2)the vehicle had the same layout as ZSU-37 of 1946; 3)it had APCR ammo available. Then yes, would have been a beast even irl. ZUT-37 was abysmally bad in soviet reports about testing. But Gaijin doesn't care about that.

@justmarc2015

8 ай бұрын

@@TheArklyte Here is your nerd emoji: 🤓. Have fun shooting planes with your ZUT-37 while I shoot tanks with mine.

@TheArklyte

8 ай бұрын

@@justmarc2015 /loads 4 NS-45 with malicious intent/

@jspene

8 ай бұрын

He already made a video on it

This video demonstrates why i take BOTH the otomatic AND the sidam mistral. Having any form of sam sometimes is just better than having to lead kinda low velocity proxy rounds, even when those proxy rounds (used to) deal massive damage

@evanderdaniel8443

2 ай бұрын

same yo, Italy ground could barely do anything without this combo against CAS

I would like to congratulate Spookston on achieving 300k subscribers! Keep up the stellar content!

If i remember correctly, the 2S38 APFSDS round is lighter and has more spalling damage compared to the 76mm APFSDS. The rooikat 76 suffers from this no spall damage too. Always have to snipe ammo or crew mates.

@Yeeter_Inbound

7 ай бұрын

gaijin try not to make broken russian premium overpowered challenge (impossible)

You should play the OF-40 MTCA, it's the least-sad Italian vehicle.

@ugaaabugaaa6952

8 ай бұрын

The whole 9.0 lineup is the least sad italian lineup

@deafidue5535

8 ай бұрын

@@ugaaabugaaa6952 I'm up to that point and debating whether or not its worth it to go past

@scumbaggaming9418

8 ай бұрын

BR 3.7 Italy would like a word with you

@theonlyknight3171

8 ай бұрын

@@scumbaggaming9418 yoooooo, another guy who likes the US leased light tank, US leased medium, hungarian tank, german premium tank, US leased premium tank???? I guess there's that _single_ semovente that's actually _Italian_ ... Yes, it's a potent lineup, but it's got a whopping two unique vehicles and only one is actually Italian

@teun911

7 ай бұрын

My man forgetting about the slowest firing autocannon on the 90/60

Anyone else here know the OTOMATIC from Wargame: Red Dragon? It's an absolutely apocalyptic death machine there, wiping out infantry, vehicles, and aircraft alike. It's sad to see it reduced to this.

@Tonyx.yt.

4 ай бұрын

Yes😅

@underpaidmook

3 ай бұрын

Finally!

Biggest issue with replacing the Otomatic at top tier is Gaijin refusing to have realistic performances for the Mistrals, or you know, they could try and make the italian vehicles not miss fifty features upon release. Also italy doesn't have SPAA as they have their SPADA National Defense System and the Aspide launch platform complexes which are towed

@detectivepatchouli8266

7 ай бұрын

we suppose to have DRACO at this point for our Italian top tier SPAA

Good video on the OTOMATIC, I recently went to see the second prototype based on the leopard 1 platform at the OTO Melara museum. Believe it or not the OTO was even worse last year but thankfully the Italian research community managed to finally get the bug reports passed after a lot of delay. If it did get more APFSDS then I think it would be more useful that it is now, if not it needs a BR decrease. A lot of new AA’s have been added since it was introduced and it’s clear that missile AA just do the AA role better.

I don't know if you already know this but when an aircraft is locked by a radar and is flying low to the ground, it'll confuse the radar and make it think the object is a lot lower than it really is. Think of it as the radio waves reflected off the aircraft, off of the ground, and back to the radar dish. That why at 1:15 the green box dips. Is use this a lot in Air Sim to dodge r27s.

@NewRSM1994

8 ай бұрын

How low do you actually fly then? Still catch em when I'm like 30 m above sealevel (Denmark map for example)

@cheese_walker

8 ай бұрын

and thats why i have irst bound to a key :) it ignores the ground (one time I locked to a heli who was behind a mountain it is broken lmaooooo)

@aroalgezion5299

7 ай бұрын

Ground clutter

please play the black prince, it's a surprisingly good bri'sh tank love the vid btw :)

@ChiaroscuroxX

8 ай бұрын

Bprince is a fantastic anchor tank.

@ringmyding

8 ай бұрын

Spookston would lose his mind going that slow lmao

@systemhalodark

7 ай бұрын

It's good when you reach the frontline before the end of the round.

Spookston you should try the BM-31-12 it's painful but a lot of fun when you get kills

Spookston, I can't emphasize how much I love your video's edits. I end up laughing so much more than I'd care to admit, even at the smallest bits of humor. Thank you!

3:10 the APFSDS is limited on the Otomatic because it has a separate ammo rack for it, the APFSDS won't feed properly if placed in the normal HE ammo rack. It's like the Gepard's 80 rounds of self defence APDS, it's an emergency tool if this thing were to ever run into an enemy tank more or less. I just with the 76mm darts (which weigh about as much and move about as fast as 105mm darts) did more damage than reserve tier solid shot, lol.

@98765zach

7 ай бұрын

Though I’ve also heard that the sabot can be used to shoot down missiles IRL, so would it not make sense for it to have more capacity for those kinetic rounds?

@jameshodgson3656

7 ай бұрын

@@98765zach I'm not sure if shooting down cruise missiles was part of the design requirement for the Oto, and even if it were, APFSDS isn't necessarily any better suited to that application than it's radio-fused HE rounds. When it comes to shooting down enemy missiles a high volume of fire, like a CIWS system, would be preferred, and those have lower calibres, in the 20-40mm range.

@98765zach

7 ай бұрын

@@jameshodgson3656 I don’t disagree, and I’ll not call it a good idea if true, I was just trying to give a reason I’ve seen stated as to why the APFSDS should be allowed to increase its count, as it would fall inside the options for its main ammo stowage. Kinetic projectiles do get used against missile, but those are often guided missiles themselves, Patriot is a good example

@adityabora9131

5 ай бұрын

Then what about apfsds being able to be stored in the hull ammo rack?

@rpscorp9457

5 ай бұрын

not a great justification for game balance. APDS belt on gepard, capped at 127mm. APDS belt on amx uncapped at 110mm. S238 uncapped at 225mm.

day 55 : you should try the jagdtiger sometime. it's extremly slow, doesn't have a turret, gets uptiers all the time, and most importantly, you'll have to play with german teams. the very definition of suffering. (i know he saw this comment, but imma keep at it until the Jagdtiger video is out)

This used to be my dream vehicle to own in War Thunder. The day Phly played it on release I had to have it. Now look how they massacred my boy.

The worst part about the OTO is the fact that the 12 round APFSDS limit is historical, it has 9 rounds unloaded and 3 in the feeding system. So Gaijin will never remove that limit even for balancing reasons because there is proof it had a limit.

I specifically became a hardcore Italy main to grind out the Centauros and OTOMATIC back when it was in its prime. By the time I actually unlocked it, Gaijin had removed every advantage it had once had. It made me very sad.

@Yeowch1945

7 ай бұрын

Same, it took so long to get to them as well

in the forgotten past before the reign of SAMs OTOMATIC was truly legendary and it was scary to fight it with MBTs, but just don't get me started on the massive gun breech eating my shots.

Since they reworked rwr in the last update the Otomatics tracking radar uses band K which cant be detected by any rwr currently ingame, just like the Pansir.

@Yeeter_Inbound

7 ай бұрын

really? thats pretty neat actually

This is the first spookston video I have seen where he calls a vehicle bad and doesn't still get 15 kills in it

The thing about everything Italian is that they're not useless if you really, really know what you're doing (and get lucky), but most other trees don't need all that.

Holy crap I was that T-80B at 6:15 Fun fact I was yelling at my screen wondering how the hell you killed me anyways love your vids spook!

man this guys edits always gets me,every single time

Thanks once again for the amazing content. It's always great! Gonna have to recommend the rooikat mk.1d again. I still would very much would like to see you play it. Thank you again

Asu85 is a great tank, you should try it out

@mcnuffin1208

8 ай бұрын

Oh, yes, very great comrade 😅

I am baffled by that leopard driver at the start 😭😭

I hope for more videos on Italian tanks, especially in the 3.7-5.0 range

I remember the OTOMAGIC being so much fun back then. Also I wanted to ask you to play the Type 61 or the ST-A3

Congratulations for 300k subscribers, spook!

Congrats on 300k subs!!

If ya need a low-tier menace, I'd highly recommend any of the Rank I Swedish light tanks. Their APDS round is something that only they get at such a low BR.

Spookston you should play the russian traktor tank destroyer, the Zis-30, its so hilarious to play with its wacky suspension and to use in an uptier day 35

Yes! Yes, yes, yes. Another Spookston video :D! Always happy when my favorite wt cc posts a new video 😊

Congrats on 300k subscribers!

OTOMATIC my beloved, what have they done to you...

Fun fact the Centauro Draco (Centauro with OTO turret) has top-attack guided apfsds

@someone-cc7gl

8 ай бұрын

Where did you see this?

@rpscorp9457

5 ай бұрын

@@someone-cc7gl "It uses a remotely-operated turret and armed with the same 76 mm on the Otomatic. The gun is completed with an automatic revolver-type ammunition loading system. It can use all standard 76 mm ammunition, guided DART ammunition, C-Ram and top-attack ammunition and fully compatible with all in service 76mm rounds. Rate of fire is 80-100 rounds per minute (depending on the elevation angle). Ammunition revolver contains 12 indexed rounds and can shift from one type of ammunition to another. Twenty four additional rounds are stored in the automatic magazine located in the hull. Secondary armament could be a coaxial 7.62 mm or 12.7 mm machine gun. The turret can withstands hits from 7.62x39 mm armor-piercing rounds and artillery shell splinters. The C-RAM capability will be achieved by means of a special ammunition at present under development, designed by OTO Melara thanks to the significant experience matured in the last decade on special smart ammunition and fuses."

Congrats on 300k 😁

"Why limit the sabot on this and not the 2S38" You know the answer to that. Same reason that the Pansir is anything close to being useful instead of its real self.

Since you’re there already, why not try the saddest heavy tank of the cold war? The great Conqueror Mk.2, I’m sure you’ll have loads of fun with it

I am once again asking you to play the Object 685

congrats on 300k🔥🔥

congrats on 300K!

I exclusively play CAS just so I can some day kill Spookton if I ever encounter him.

Day 5 of asking Spookston to play the Csaba

Congrats on 300k

congrats on 300k subs 🎉🎉 😊

Ah classic Gaijin Nerf everything really quickly except the Soviet/Russian one

See in the conquer you don’t need to worry about case because of the “bomb proof armor” and how small of a target it is……

@o-hogameplay185

8 ай бұрын

i just can't decide if the Conqueror, or the Churchill 7 is the most awful tank in the game

Damn I was just about to start eating when your video popped up. Great content as always Spook

Idk when this vid was recorded but since the launch of Sons of Attila I have been able to fold the radar on the OTOMATIC and some other SPAAs

Day 82 of asking you to play the M2A2

you make my day every time you upload

I just noticed the mandala catalog meme at 14:14 such a good series 🥲

spook vids are always a nice surprise in the morning :)

The background song at 8 minutes in... That's the theme from C&C Generals xD.. Just randomly heard it and "Can I have some shoes please" popped into my head... lol... Dunno if you played it.. but thats what I got xD. Keep up the good videos man!

You are the sole reason I still play Warthunder. Damn you!

Spookston: i have no apfsds Also spookston: takes 30 sap rounds

@Spookston

8 ай бұрын

the APFSDS is hard-capped at 11, genius

The fact the 2s38 is one entire br lower than this is the biggest kick in the nuts the snail has ever given us

@curtsauce3947

7 ай бұрын

Literally better in every way too lmao

@einar8019

7 ай бұрын

same with the lvkv9040, the 2s38 is better in every way except armour against mgs/autocannons

This video made me want to play this even more

I watch just for your commentary. Funny stuff.

Thank you for the entertainment spookston

Man this entire video reminds me of when I played the Italians back when I.. actually played this game. Spawncamped, defeats every match, depression, more depression, more defeats with spawncamping. Like I never left the game :)

good day when spookston uploads

14:36 the wheel scrolling sounds XD!

One tank I'd like to see you play that doesn't get nearly enough love is the charioteer. Especially now that there are 2 of them in different trees in the game. Using mostly AP esp. in downtiers is great fun.

our boy sure does love his C&C theme songs

I grinded the Italian tech tree specifically to get the oto and had a blast playing. It felt nice playing a AA that could actually counter CAS effectively. Needless to say, i lost all motivation when they started nerfing it

Congrats on 300k subs xd

This thing was a nightmare itself, now it's just a ghost in the shell

2:09 wow my first time hear spookston swearing. I like this vid tho

funny incident yesterday I searched for some youtubers playing the OTO and today Spook uploads a video xD

The command and conquer music in the background

yo spookston you hited 300k sub🎉🎉

14:14 Damn I remember that Mandela Catalogue episode where the Tornado wrote in all chat "who have I been praying to all this time" after realizing he had given too much time and money to Gaijin.

The wiki endangered species skit was funny as hahah

that first leopard player blocking the shot: my god. we found the perfect war thunder player. 5000+ golden eagles

6:53 The accidental flash bangs never seize to make me laugh.

14:16 nice little mandela catalog reference there

This and the AUBL/74 HVG are the pinnacle of suffering in the Italian tech tree.

damn, i remember this thing was the jam in squadron battle, facing this thing was a nightmare to both Air and ground.

Before seeing the thumbnail i was about to say "you should play the oto'

Spookston would have alot of fun playing the 9030fin ngl

meanwhile, a burst of 3 he-vt shell has recently obliterated an houti drone as he entered the the gun range

this guy can make any tank look like a good tank by playing it

You fucking legend, you finally made a video on the OTOMATIC

You missed the part where the KA-50s out-range it. It is also a free kill for drones. An AA that gets hard countered by the most common AA threats.

@antbord_5640

Ай бұрын

Actually i find that the drones are the only things that i can relayably kill in the thing, with the normal radar lock (not the IRST) you can lock and shoot at them while outside their range (up to 10km) they are slow and tipically do not manouver, the only problem is that EVERYTHING that manouvers is a hard counter to the otomatic.

@antbord_5640

Ай бұрын

Not saying that the otomatic is a good spaa btw, situational at best, even the sidam mistral is a way better option to support your team against the cas spam at low range

Crazy to see this. I remember when the Otomatic was first added it deleted everything in the sky...

There was actually a centauro variant called the Centauro Draco which is basically this turret and gun on the chassis of a centauro. Although it was never in production I think it would be a cool addition. It does not have a radar and therefore could be a lower br, maybe 8.3-9.0 and like the otomatic now have a cap on the amount of apfsds it carries, and then remove the cap on the otomatic and slightly slower the br. If gaijin can add prototypes into the game I don’t see why the centauro draco couldn’t be added. It’s a cool “little” vehicle

How is it when I try and spade my AA, literally nobody spawns in a goddamn aircraft, yet here's Spooks' fighting the entire VVS and PLAAF at the same time

I remember when this first came out and it was insanely strong.