basically, the problem is a badly coached defense and inattentive defenders, but because rudy is ultra hated he's the first one to be scapegoated. A twin tower scheme can work very well as the Cavs have shown for the past 2 seasons, but it has to be adequately implemented and that hasn't happened

@Dr_Grape

Жыл бұрын

I'm not sure you can realistically compare the Cavs and Wolves. The twin towers on the Cavs are defensively more versatile, where Towns and Rudy are two specialists. For a twin tower defensive scheme to work, at least one of them have to be able to rotate to the perimeter (assuming today's NBA). If that guy is Towns in this scheme, I'm not that optimistic, even ignoring communication mistakes. :(

@bobbyloveoblock6580

Жыл бұрын

when you making 50$ million a season you bound to get ridiculed for not playing up to your contract

@justinholland6132

Жыл бұрын

@@bobbyloveoblock6580 hes supposed to rebound and get blocks, thats it. Is he not doing those things?

@dboii9741

Жыл бұрын

You took the words out my mouth no homo

@darrylscott8826

Жыл бұрын

If they want it to work the need to go and watch clips of Tim Duncan and David Robinson back in the day. The original twin towers

Saddest part about the wolves is how it feels like they lost their soul that made them so fun last year

@jeverettrulz

Жыл бұрын

They unfortunately lost a player like Beverley who would hold everyone accountable on the defensive end

@thecasualbiker2241

Жыл бұрын

What trading Vanderbilt does to a mf

@dartkid3666

Жыл бұрын

@@jeverettrulz y'all can have him back. Buddy is trash. Just give LA mcdaniels

@jeverettrulz

Жыл бұрын

@@dartkid3666 yall? As in the wolves?

@obukohwoogheneakpobo3011

Жыл бұрын

@@dartkid3666 so your poverty franchise can ruin him too ?

I think a video is necessary for the Wolves offensive struggles is necessary too, their reliance on isolation and rejection on pick and roll/fade and ball movement is crazy

@jordanjohnson9866

Жыл бұрын

Nah. Not crazy. Not “crazy.” /

@RecapRico

Жыл бұрын

Can't run a pick and roll with Gobert when he can't score on any mismatches. Also can't run a PnR with Kat bc they're just gonna double off of Rudy. He might be one of the most overrated players I've seen tbh. I've seen offensively limited Centers who were defensive juggernauts. As much shit as people talk about Ben Wallace averaging like 8ppg you could still give him a roll to the rim or a lob to catch. Rudy can't make a jump hook over guys he's half a foot taller than 😂

@pureo_nikku

Жыл бұрын

I saw a game the other night where Ant brought up/got the ball and didn’t pass like 6 times in a row 😂

@wubmasterdubdub8455

Жыл бұрын

@@RecapRico Gobert is actually an elite lob threat, but you're right about him not being able to score when he's over 3 feet away from the hoop

@t4d0W

Жыл бұрын

@@RecapRico You talk about Ben Wallace as if he's some elite lob catcher (lol 6'8" no vert having ass) when Rudy has the numbers that show he's a great lob finisher himself even with his time in Utah. The inexperience really shows with this group because their best offensive guys are young but don't know how to make opposing teams pay with the proper match ups. And it def shows up on defense since they are so hard wired to have another athletic guy like Vando scrambling to help recover. But they can't be in the right positions to just make it harder for offenses to move the ball around.

It's such a luxury to have Rudy on your team. Players don't even have to try on defense and Rudy will get most of the blame.

@ricardobell3559

Жыл бұрын

ctfu

@SLAPTALK

Жыл бұрын

Patient😷ZERO Rudy🍧Yogurt shut down the NBA: YES, he gets ALL the blame. 😆🍧😆

@aw98000

Жыл бұрын

Yup

@giom3248

Жыл бұрын

trading two good defensive fit around KAT for having someone better defensively than KAT at C but that puts KAT in the worst place for him as a defender was a bad move for a team having KAT as centerpiece (corner stone that gobert cannot be)

@giom3248

Жыл бұрын

PS the blame on gobert it's because he'a a jerk, and french

8:34 - "Leading to easy offense," Ben says as Vanderbilt looks like he literally died after the dunk attempt

@Jenkees7

Жыл бұрын

That made me laugh harder than it should have. Vanderbilt looked like an npc glitching into a death animation.

@alih2182

Жыл бұрын

Lmao I was looking for this comment 😭

@pool5863

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

Dlo’s play has been a massive problem for them this season

@wilkic2

Жыл бұрын

The warriors fleeced the wolves in that trade it seems

@BruceWaynesFactory

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. Never seen a player that managed to be a negative impact on the +/- every single game. He’s supposed to be our 3rd option but he plays as good as a bench player. That’s been our problem, then we trade for Gobert who’s hands are rocks, can’t hold on to the ball, can’t shoot, only can play defense and we don’t have enough scoring. Just ant and kat .. not enough especially with j mcdaniels being inconsistent offensively

@nbassasin8092

Жыл бұрын

He will get it going, players sometimes have slow starts, better now than when playoffs come

@neospiderman2165

Жыл бұрын

Didn't thinking basketball literally have a video where dlo was acting like the twolves draymond on D how did this happen?

@trvspvrk

Жыл бұрын

he’s been much better recently but you don’t mention that ok

I honestly think Portland would of benefitted the most if they had traded for Rudy. Nurk is a good offensive player but interior defense is the biggest need for Portland this season. The way Billups runs his zone Rudy would have thrived in his system

@bignoob24

Жыл бұрын

Well at least Nurkic is playing good rn. Imagining them with Rudy kinda seems like a better version of the Jazz. Maybe they tried and didn't get him but it sounds interesting anyways.

@Simon_Sez

Жыл бұрын

I think Jerami Grant, Josh Hart, and GP2’s combined contracts are probably about the same amount as Rudy Gobert’s alone - so I’d personally rather have the depth

@nbassasin8092

Жыл бұрын

@@Simon_Sez Same, and Nurkic is still decent, Id like them to have another strong big option as well but they looking pretty good right now even without one

@trashyplay6932

Жыл бұрын

I wanted Rudy in charlotte before the whole offseason mess this was as they ended last year with 43 wins and with Rudy they could have pushed 50

@tonious35

Жыл бұрын

Nurkic defending Ben Simmons and Russell Westbrook is HoF level: leave them wide open with the ball in their hands and don't bother at all

This isn’t the video title I was hoping for as a wolves fan 😞

@speednos88

Жыл бұрын

Me too I’m a Wolves fan

@yourstruly3820

Жыл бұрын

Traded!

@rudy6292

Жыл бұрын

Hahaha haha sucks for you guys........oh I'm a knicks fan....😓

@doxo9597

Жыл бұрын

But it was the one you were expecting. Lol

@paragongorillahuh

Жыл бұрын

You know I thought this would work but man. Sadness

I think they just need some time. I’ve watched most games and the chemistry is improving every game.

@DavidChinh

Жыл бұрын

No it’s not

@urinalcaca5331

Жыл бұрын

@@DavidChinh it is lmao they're much better than they were to start the season

@schm2818

Жыл бұрын

@@DavidChinh they just lost for the first time in 6 games.

@DavidChinh

Жыл бұрын

@@schm2818 Cherry pick the win streak all you want, it doesnt change the fact that they are 9th in the Western conference despite the 5 game winstreak, the Wolves are only 6-4 in their last 10 games.

@bcurve

Жыл бұрын

@@DavidChinh You're moving the goalposts. You argued they aren't improving, yet a 5 game winstreak after piling up losses to start the season is a sign of improvement. Doesn't matter if they are 9th in the conference, they were worse to start the season.

Losing Vanderbilt, Pat Bev, and Malik Beasley hurt them really bad. Vandy and Pat Bev especially had that infectious hustle and effort that elevates the floor of your defense

@tj5180

Жыл бұрын

Worst trade in history but it's not Rudys fault

@aaronesquivel1504

Жыл бұрын

Twolves were a pain for my Nuggets last year because of them, Vanderbilt in particular. Hustle and energy guys really are underappreciated

@t4d0W

Жыл бұрын

Beasley hurt the team more often that he did help them. At this point Jaylen Nowell can probably do better as he's scoring about 10ppg off a bench role in 17mpg. The team by January was playing extremely well on defense before the Pat Bev trade. HE didn't solve the Wolves issue last season where they were not great on rebounds or playing against screens. If anything McDaniel/KAT/Ant are used to playing with Vando's energy and miss it so far with his ability to recover. Especially on non Rudy lineups since they got players who are too small and too slow (Bryn Forbes, Kyle Anderson, Taurean Prince). Pretty nice but Vando has zero touch at the rim so he's even worse than Gobert as an offensive option.

@richborn6700

Жыл бұрын

Beasley wasn't a huge loss. His personal issues between seasons affected his workouts and his 3pt game wasn't as good last season as it was in seasons before. He's a good role player as a spotty shooter but I felt he was too inconsistent

@michaelahurt

Жыл бұрын

@@t4d0W JV is 71% at the rim so let's not act like he's Killian Hayes or something. He's a smart cutter and has a decent feel so he doesn't really junk up your offense even if he cant add surplus value like Rudy can as a roll man. But you make an *excellent* point about Vando's ability to recover and how much they miss it. In the modern NBA, I think the single most important defensively skill is the ability to help-and-recover/close out on shooters. (Most) slow guys and (most) short guys, as you noted, are major liabilities once a defense is in rotation because you can just shoot over them. In the past, guys like Gobert were the ones who could clean up teammates mistakes, but now that teams play outside in, it's guys like Vanderbilt, Draymond, AD (when he's trying), Giannis, Smart, Tatum, etc who can be two places at once and are therefore able to cauterize the bleeding by stopping the ball and forcing the offense to reset. Although I'll go a step further and say it's not even that they are used to playing with Vanderbilt, they NEED to play with a guy like that who can cover for their own deficiencies. But this is not a one year play. Ant and Jaden do have the ability to be all-nba level defenders and replace what JV brought and if they get to that level, Ant becomes a legit top 10 player, and Finch either figures out how to coach the offense (for the love of god would it kill them to run spain with DLo-KAT-Rudy and weakside action 10 times per game instead of this two-man pnr with 3 stationary guys like it's 2004?) or they find someone who can, they will be inner circle contenders.

I feel bad for Rudy. He went from a situation where he was the best paint defender in the league but was surrounded by 0 good defenders and played with stars that didn’t trust or play well with him to a team where he’s the best paint defender in the league but has 0 defensive help and plays with stars that don’t trust nor know how to play with him. It’s gonna be tough for the Rudy haters to not hate him more after this

@tardmonkey7319

Жыл бұрын

Damn crazy how much people love scapegoats

@tj5180

Жыл бұрын

Getting scapegoat for today's game vs the warriors even though kat was also horrible

@balls2jawls

Жыл бұрын

Rudy, Russ. Guys who get hated for not being able to do everything for their team

@nocturne311

Жыл бұрын

@@balls2jawls Russ can't do anything for his team. Lol.

@BraziliansDid911

Жыл бұрын

Idk, as a jazz fan I’m really glad we got rid of him. He’s completely 1 dimensional. That’s inflexibility and requiring your team to basically form around your strengths is something I find deeply flawed in any player.

Mcdaniels is gonna be the key for the wolves and their success

@DCJ9

Жыл бұрын

Yes! I really like his game.

@rs7464_

Жыл бұрын

YEAH GUY WHO WAS A BENCH PLAYER LAST YEAR NOW AVERAGES 5PPG IS THE KEY YOUR SO RIGHT

@SSJRome

Жыл бұрын

@@rs7464_ casual

@mmmspice1491

Жыл бұрын

@@rs7464_ what?

@sharmarkeismail4698

Жыл бұрын

@@rs7464_ you sir are a casual

Can you do a video on the 2000s champion Pistons defence? Most millennials remember it as the best defence we've ever seen, but wonder if that's impressionistic and doesn't hold up under closer scrutiny.

@yashsolanki589

Жыл бұрын

He has talked about it on length in several podcast episodes if you’re interested. The last one I remember was when Ben gave talked about Finals MVP and said he would have voted Ben Wallace because of how much of a menace he was in the paint

@michaelahurt

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, pretty sure Ben has talked about them at length. (Although a video would be amazing.) It's both though. Billups and Hamilton were actually better defenders in hindsight than they got credit for at the time and Sheed and Ben are just as good as people remember. That post trade deadline 2004 team was an all-time defense. That said, they are probably overrated because 1) that team didn't play at an all-time level for very long at all and 2) there were a couple teams in that era who were just as good if not better. The Duncan-Robinson Spurs, Duncan-Bowen Spurs (the team that was actually 1st in defensive rating each year from 2004-2006 over Detroit) and the KG Celtics.

@mrmacross

Жыл бұрын

@@michaelahurt I think part of the reason Detroit's defense was so memorable is how competitive they were with what was really a mediocre offense. They nearly won back-to-back championships without either a bonafide offensive superstar or a high-performing offense, so the impact of their defense was really pronounced. They didn't have SAS' defensive metrics, but SAS also had far more balance on the other side of the ball. Detroit had to lean really hard on its defense. I also think it's worth pointing out that after Detroit won the 2004 title, the league made a bunch of rules changes to open up scoring. This change disproportionately affected Detroit whereas teams like SAS were more able to adjust to the ban on physicality.

@michaelahurt

Жыл бұрын

@@mrmacross Agree. Because Detroit didn't have an offensive star -- or at least because no one at the time realized Billups was just then becoming an elite offensive player -- fans and writers just gave all the credit to their defense. Especially since the Carlisle teams did lack offensive talent so that was the narrative already. The reality is San Antonio's offense wasn't much better. At least in 2004. But perception is reality in the moment. The 2004 team post Sheed may very well be the best defense of all time though. They had an 88.3 def rating the last 26 games. And it was 92 in the playoffs. The numbers back up the eye test and our collective memory. But my point was just that it was really only 49 games they were at that level and they were never again as locked in as they were that first year. Certainly rule changes -- and the Suns changing the league -- played a factor but they really weren't any more physical than Indiana or San Antonio at that time. Having watched damn near every game that team played, the biggest issue, to me, was they tried to be a switch flip team. Especially once Flip got there. From 01-04 that team played so hard every single night but from 05 on they would coast in the regular season and were just never able to recreate that magic from 2004. I always felt Sheed's personality took over the team and they took on his identity whereas before it was Ben's team. But that's just as a fan watching them.

@mrmacross

Жыл бұрын

@@michaelahurt I have to admit that I was surprised to look back at the 2003-2004 Spurs and see that their offensive rating was so mediocre. It seems to be a bit of a blip on the radar when you look at their offense in in the Duncan era starting in 1999 ranked 11th, 11th, 6th, 9th, 7th, 15th (2003-2004), 8th, 10th, 5th. But my impression of the Spurs of that era will always be that they played at Phoenix's breakneck pace in the playoffs and beat them, then in the very next round they played at Detroit's stuck-in-the-mud pace and beat them. They were among the most balanced and malleable teams ever, whereas I see teams like PHX and Detroit as a couple squads that would fold if they couldn't dictate the pace of the game.

I really hope they figure it out.

@kedrprao

Жыл бұрын

I really hope they dont. Centers are done. This is new age where you need skills to be successful; not just 7 ft athletic size

@bignoob24

Жыл бұрын

@@kedrprao This is a weird response, also no Centers aren't done they'll evolve. Centers were dying out in the beginning of the last decade but started to come back a few years ago.

@blue-phoenix115

Жыл бұрын

Nah... I like rubbernecking a traffic accident that is the Timberwolves.

@bignoob24

Жыл бұрын

@@blue-phoenix115 Lmao.

@albesayz

Жыл бұрын

@@bignoob24 Yeah bigs arent done. You need bigs to be able to guard Jokic, Giannis, Embiid, AD, etc. Good luck getting passed those teams without a good defensive big

Would love to see a video on the current state of the Minnesota defense

every single "You Can't Win with Gobert" video on KZread for three years running now is the same thing: "It's not working, but, actually, it has nothing to do with Gobert's performance or impact, he's actually performing at a high level, it's because the guys around him won't play defense" if he was a crybaby who wore his frustration for his teammates all over his face and continuously humiliated them when they lost, and then took all the credit for "carrying them on my back" when they won, perhaps, like some guys, the media and flapping heads out there would give the guy some slack for not being the greatest defender of the past generation who can guard every position everytime down the floor. btw, you're best on youtube at what you do, you don't need to use clickbait titles, you've rapid ascent is assured.

@shadenym5094

Жыл бұрын

On KZread you absolutely DO need to use clickbait titles. I agree Ben is the GOAT, but go look at the variability of views across his videos. No one is exempt from the effect of the algorithm, you have to play the youtube game plain and simple.

They didn’t need to trade for Rudy and gave up way too much

7:13 I shouldn’t have laughed so hard at this point, but his personal frustration with Ant making those mistakes was very palpable

This level of understanding of what’s happening on the court is so impressive. I’m getting a great education. Thanks.

Damn, this video kinda crazy now.

if im the timberwolves i'm trading kat and DLo and building around edwards and gobert

@WheresWaldo05

Жыл бұрын

They should have traded for Murray. Woulda made it so much easier ditching DLO.

@antmck99

Жыл бұрын

Agreed

2:00 and we now literally know how Gobert’s drop coverage puts so much pressure on the wing guys or guard trying to disrupt the pullup 3s

@owethunala2632

Жыл бұрын

While he carries 100% of the rim protection(most important form of defense) task/pressure

@AC2k14GOD

Жыл бұрын

@@owethunala2632 how about no since most stars right now can and will pull up from 3 if given the space

@owethunala2632

Жыл бұрын

@@AC2k14GOD anyone who knows anything about defence will understand rim protection is the most valued part

@AC2k14GOD

Жыл бұрын

@@owethunala2632 outdated fck its switching nowadays thats the most important thing in the modern nba you’re not in the 80s 90s anymore

@AC2k14GOD

Жыл бұрын

@@owethunala2632 its versatility on defense and switching

If Rudy is the problem we'd love to take him at Golden State

There's clearly a ton of potential, and I still think this team can get 50+ wins this season. After the all-star break we'll really know what to think here, they just need some time to figure things out.

@legendarywiimaster

Жыл бұрын

Hopefully as a Wolves fan I have expectations. We have talent but our coaching sucks (what a shocker) as does our chemistry (another huge shocker)

@sharmarkeismail4698

Жыл бұрын

lol 50 wins is crazy, I would say 40 wins

@Thanosdidtherighthing

Жыл бұрын

KG isn’t on the team anymore lol.

@DavidChinh

Жыл бұрын

50 wins??? 😂😂😂 🤡🤡

@bcurve

Жыл бұрын

@@YungPhilosopher They just came out of a 46 win season last year after starting 4-9, but I do think the west is stronger this year. I think they'll be around 45 wins this season.

I feel like all these weaknesses of the T'wolves defense was exactly what should have been expected before the trade was made. I feel like a cast of players like this needs extremely good coaches. This team can only be successful if the system of the team is really strong. It's hard to see how this can work with this group.

@t4d0W

Жыл бұрын

It doesn't help that as athletic as their point of attack guys are, they aren't disciplined enough on defense. They still have the mindset of running rabid on the perimeter and knowing they have another athletic wing to help and recover like Vando from last year. KAT also has to be consistent since he's not the rim protector anymore so he has to get used being a roamer and not caught off position where he gets a bad match up. Especially if teams choose to bait him and Rudy on a screen at the perimeter. Cuz Rudy can play the drop well but KAT will be ball watching when he has to watch for the corners or wings around his side.

I got a lot of flack for saying this team wasn’t all they were made up to be. My main concerns over the summer were basically covered in this video. 1. 2 centers who are used to sprinting back to the paint and not rotating to the 3p line is less then ideal in the pace and space era. 2. I also think KAT’s offensive value isn’t the same when a wing is placed on him. 5s usually have different help/screen responsibilities but with Gobert on the floor it simplifies that 5s defensive role. Wolves have over $400M committed to the center position, and in 2022 that’s not something I can buy into.

@joecon601

Жыл бұрын

What I can't understand relating to your first point is why do they not get into the mentality to sprint to the wing if there's an open shooter? I get that they aren't great perimeter defenders, but in situations like those they have to be able to adapt just to cover the wing for a few seconds. I don't know if it's stubbornness or a lack of effort, but excusing those lapses of defense with "they are used to running to the paint" is ludicrous. Like cmon, they are the elites of basketball players worldwide and they can't run to the corner for a second? I'd be pissed if I were a Timberwolves fan.

@nmzhoops

Жыл бұрын

@@joecon601 i definitely oversimplified it in a YT comment but essentially 2 players who have been 5s their whole lives have natural tendencies to sprint to the middle in live ball situations. it’s not a every time down thing but this is one of the growing pains of adapting to something that feels foreign. it’ll improve but there’s moments where there natural instincts kick in and they give up a quality look.

@wonheo4287

Жыл бұрын

@@nmzhoops I agree with you. Kat had a big advantage in running a lot of centers off the floor with his spacing. It gave Memphis a lot of trouble since Adams was basically unplayable.

@thomaslequesne5475

Жыл бұрын

@@joecon601 it's not that easy. When you have certain actions drilled into your brain by thousands upon thousands of hours of practice, you need a conscious effort to do something else. But you have so many things to think about during a game that it is extremely difficult to actually make that decision, especially since the brain struggles during a physical effort

@gators9570

Жыл бұрын

Fr if you’ve got $400M committed to the center position it had better be like Jokic and Embiid/Bam

Didn't they just win 5 straight?

@xavwill4807

Жыл бұрын

Bro must've made this before the winstreak and waited until one more loss

@PutXi_Whipped

Жыл бұрын

Addendum time

@cctsai7802

Жыл бұрын

Well, they were mostly facing teams full of injuries during that 5 straight, so it doesn't matter that much.

Even if this team isn't able to produce significant results this season, I still think they should run it back next season and not just switch up immediately. They just gotta get more used to playing with each other.

I bet you had this one in the works. Waiting for a loss to Lamelo-less Charlotte was smart

@toucheyang89

Жыл бұрын

And not during the 5 game win streak..... It's only been about 20 GAMES.... Talk about over reaction. The wolved had a similar record last year

@davishoward7235

Жыл бұрын

@@toucheyang89Watch the video, he did not overreact at all. He even said most of the problems comes from lack of experience together.

@BobBoican

Жыл бұрын

@@toucheyang89 Having a similar record to last year after trading a ton of assets for a player with a huge contract that limits financial flexibility would be a pretty huge problem for them.

@t4d0W

Жыл бұрын

@@BobBoican Financial flexibility? Their cap is already being taken up by their two best players long term and WAY beyond Gobert's contract by 2026. Its not a bad thing since KAT is a potential top 30 player and ANT has the making of a top 10 player himself so they are absolutely set on offense. The guys they sent out on the trade were just as one dimensional as the guy they got back in Gobert. Except GObert is pretty elite in his niche. Plus more minute open up for guys like Nowell and McDaniel who are going to play bigger roles this season. The real thing to watch out for isn't GObert this season but can Anthony Edwards take the next step as an elite two-way player.

The almost crazy thing is that the Jazz are nearly defensively just as good without Gobert

@djobe420

Жыл бұрын

Well duh, they got rid of Mitchell and bogdanovic

Incredible post! Very thorough and so much detail. Keep up the great work!

Love the in depth look at actual basketball problems with my favorite team. Knoedgeable, objective, and thorough examples of on court issues. Keep up great work from new subscriber!

Always love your videos, thanks so much!!

They just need a little time. Just went on a 5 game winning streak, they haven’t even played 20 games together. I believe they will figure some things out and improve

Looking forwards to Minnesota persisting with this and getting good at it It's the playoffs where this needs to peak 👍

You know who I blame? It's the incredible amount of talent in the league right now.

@poly_g6068

Жыл бұрын

Not one person wants to start that convo. Strange.

@letsgoooo9200

Жыл бұрын

@@poly_g6068 damn near every team in the west is contending that crazy to think out

@taylormalone1050

Жыл бұрын

Yup. I live in Sacramento and even I'm impressed by the talent level on the roster despite being a quiet market. Kids just start getting the professional training regiment so early these days.

@Thanosdidtherighthing

Жыл бұрын

East>Western conference in 2022.

@Youralwayswhining4367

Жыл бұрын

Problem is they're over paid and they under play.

They have the potential

I will watch this video tomorrow, but as a Wolves fan who watched almost every single minute of Wolves basketball this season, I can say Rudy is our best or 2nd best player and not even close to being our biggest problem

@ice-coldspear9193

Жыл бұрын

He always looks like the problem, thats the sad thing. But maybe if they play really bad, they have a shot at getting Wemby, Rudy's pall.

@scribbes

Жыл бұрын

Totally agree, gobert isn’t the issue.

@Nathan-zd8ew

Жыл бұрын

You didnt trade all your assets for Rudy to "not be your biggest problem". You traded it so he could be your biggest solution, which he isnt.

@roboninja3194

Жыл бұрын

@@Nathan-zd8ew Exactly. If you give up that many players and draft picks for one guy that one guy's play better translate to parades at the end of the season. Clearly there won't be a parade at the end of the season in Minnesota.

Now it's working. Great video, thank you.

It feels like they are finding ways to Blame Gobert bec his teammates are bad defenders.... this is the same situation in Utah

@themainstreetremedy6146

Жыл бұрын

You are right, none of the Jazz players played defense with the exception of Rudy Gobert. Donovan Mitchell was a horrible Defender and was the reason that the Jazz always lost along with poor coaching. Then they all would blame Rudy.

@trollking4058

Жыл бұрын

@@themainstreetremedy6146 Now its just that they have good individual defenders, but they get lost with Rudy.

@AC2k14GOD

Жыл бұрын

@@themainstreetremedy6146 nah no no lmfao you clown

@AC2k14GOD

Жыл бұрын

@@themainstreetremedy6146 why are they top 6 in defense right now with Donovan then without Gobert??????? with Garland and Mitchell at the perimeter lmfao and these guys are “trash” at defense stfu Rudy dickriders stop the cap and the delusions

@nbassasin8092

Жыл бұрын

@@themainstreetremedy6146 Idk about Mitchell, he playing great D in Cleveland now, so I dont think he is to blame. And Jazz is doing bits now as well. I am not blaming Gobert, but also to say everyone else is to blame is also one dimensional as well IMO

Im just gona say that you're a brilliant analyst Ben

@thatoneshitposterthatlives2050

Жыл бұрын

oh really? anyone who would even say something neutral about rudy go-sucks is no brilliant analyst

8:35 "easy offence" *player immediately dies*

Im with my usual questions 1. Top-10 of the last season. Where? Any plans? 2. Top-40 update?

I'd swap him for AD he's consistent you know what he brings and you know how to build around him. Like how hard is it to get perimeter defenders I genuinely believe Gobert is a modern Ben Wallace without the team around him

@michaelahurt

Жыл бұрын

Anthony Davis who plays for the Lakers? Consistent? Is it 2016? He might be the least consistent elite player in the league the last 2 years. Also, extremely. It's extremely hard to find good perimeter defenders. And they are SO important in a drop scheme. (Really any scheme.) But you are right about the team around him. No matter how good you are, one guy can't carry a defense in the modern NBA. It's about the collective and each guy doing his job and being put in a position where he can play to his stregths. But the biggest issue with Rudy is he makes way too much for his two-way impact. Smart is $17m, Bridges is $20m, Dray is $26m and Rudy is $38m.

@tj5180

Жыл бұрын

Consistent ? He's injured most of the time and why would the wolves do that.

Imma need u to drop a apology video lil bud

That's what I was thinking before the regular season. Having Dlo and Kat next to gobert is gonna cause defensive problems. They're not used to being at point of attack defenders

@andrewstepanek8933

Жыл бұрын

They're also not used to defending, just as a general statement.

Can you do a video about the great Warriors team from 1974-1975 who beat the Chicago Bulls and Washington Bullets for the Championship? Rick Barry, Keith Wilkes, Derrek Dickey, George Johnson, Clifford Ray, Butch Beard, Charles Johnson, Charles Dudley, Phil Smith, and Al Attles head coach.

@tj5180

Жыл бұрын

Those warriors teams are forgotten compare to the TMC warriors

Or is it just 20 games and even a down season doesn't prove anything. They just need to build chemistry and learn.

It’s not working yet but in the past six games they are 5-1 so I think they are improving

@nbafan54

Жыл бұрын

Yeah the timing of this video is interesting. I'm not sure if this video is as timely if it isn't uploaded immediately after a loss to snap a 5 game winning streak. Full disclosure, I'm a Wolves fan and extra sensisitive about criticism about this Gobert experiment. I do trust the analysis on this channel, so this hits a bit different 😳

@rocthaice24

Жыл бұрын

Only good win in the 5 games was the pacers. They beat a bad magic team and every other team was missing 2 of its top 3 players.

Tough to judge the Timberwolves atm and they look alright and done some interesting trades before the deadline.

Check out how Spain defeated France in the finals of this summer Eurobasket and you will see how well-coached teams can get past Gobert's defence.

They traded 5 players and 4 picks for Gobert and their master plan was to turn KAT into a 3pt shooter 🤣

@tigerhoods7927

Жыл бұрын

Lol kat wants to be a shooting guard anyway

@Musa-al-Khwarazmi

Жыл бұрын

6 first round picks.

Feels bad for Rudy, this trade never made sense to me. Offensively and defensively. I was hoping Dallas or Atlanta traded for Rudy since his fit there was probably going to be much better. Hoping the best for Rudy on the wolves, I rate him highly and think he's awesome.

@ayubseeed

Жыл бұрын

he would be way more likable and attract teams if it wasnt for his ugly contract, you can never build your team around a center who has zero offensive game.

@HowardMoon56

Жыл бұрын

@@ayubseeed exactly, especialy in today's game.

@tigerhoods7927

Жыл бұрын

Nobody wanted to trade for that overpriced contract

@gators9570

Жыл бұрын

Regardless of where he ends up a championship isn’t in the cards. He has to limited of a skillset and costs too much money

1:55 "low percentage shot" WTF? A wide-open three-pointer is an excellent *efficiency* shot. Low in percentage, sure, relative to what?! It's

Your film study is great thank you for this

The problem with Rudy Gobert is the same problem Ben Simmons has in the meta game. Paying a ton of money to 1 or 2 superb defenders doesn't work anymore. You need 3 to 4 good defenders to cover all avenues of attack, or you'll just catch the offense attacking your weak point over and over.

@Thanosdidtherighthing

Жыл бұрын

Ben Simmons is a perennial all star and much more versatile than Gobert.

@michaelahurt

Жыл бұрын

@@Thanosdidtherighthing 1) Rudy is also a perennial all-star. 2) Ben may be a more versatile in a vacuum, but he too is a very specialized offensive player who needs to be a specific role to thrive. But the point still stands. If you have, for instance, Marcus Smart making $17m, you can go out and get Malcolm Brogdon and Al Horford and pay Tatum and Brown. (Although drafting well helps too.) When you are paying Rudy $38m, you do things like including Jared Vanderbilt and Patrick Beverly in the trade to make the money work and now you don't have enough good defenders.

@gators9570

Жыл бұрын

Gobert being on the floor creates a weak point. If you say screw it and put a stretch 4/5 out there as your center, you’re going to generate open shots against Gobert. It’s not a winning formula in the playoffs where teams will spam whatever works.

@gators9570

Жыл бұрын

@@michaelahurt Exactly. That’s where I say Gobert is grossly overpaid. The results back it up. It’s not fair to expect him to defend the whole floor but it’s not fair to pay him 1/3 of the cap and tell the teammates they need to defend just as well as him for things to work

Is there any team that would want De'Angelo Russel? The wolves needs a fast defensive 2 guard which is hard to find without having to give up a pick.

This can be fixed with time as players get more comfortable switching schemes quickly.

I really like the Rudy experiment, and I think with experience, further experimentation, and better communication, the t wolves will be good. I feel like the overly complex scheme is an issue, and they should try something closer to a Zone. With Rudy on the left low post, and KAT on the right but further up, close enough to the perimeter to contest a corner 3.

@DavidChinh

Жыл бұрын

Which teams currently in the NBA run a zone defensive with two bigs??

The best big duo in my eyes is the cavs' with both players able to protect the rim and occasionally guard the 3 because they are agile.Bucks have the second best because Giannis is a big strong dude who can defend everyone and Lopez contests every short range shot. Minnesota have to figure out the switches because drop coverage against a good outside-shooting team expose them on D.In today's basketball defending the 3ball is the difference between playoff teams and true contenders. And with that swing from the T-Wolves getting Rudy for the foreseeable future you have committed to this style.

I think what would really help your videos is to also introduce chapters as sort of a presentation, like when you do top players of 2021(when is top players of 2022 coming out btw?). It may sound redundant but i often lose focus when watching these videos, i don't know if it is too much work for these quick essays, but it would be super helpful to me at least.

Wolves need this trade to work or else they fumbled the bag badly for their future. It’s already bad how many picks they gave up for Rudy, but to do that and the trade flops is catastrophic

Poor Rudy.

Another great video Ben.

am i crazy to think that a trade where you give up KAT for ayton and a first round from pheonix, is a good idea?

Gobert probably the most underrated nba player in this era Gets you double digit rebounds, spikes your defense up and can give you double digit points. All he needs is 2 guards that can get you buckets and 2 forwads that can lock the perimeter. Clippers/ Warriors would be perfect for him.

@JayJay-wf2oe

Жыл бұрын

After 3 DPOYs and a massive contract I don't think he's underrated anymore.

I think they need to trade KAT and keep Gobert.

@Howdidhenotseeme

Жыл бұрын

They both are overrated but I agree. Idk Kat’s trade value tho, especially after signing the super max. I would stay away from him, his intangibles are low and is a losing player with little flexibility

Congrats on your collab with the NBA app!

i think we should look at it in 6 months again. give them time i think a team should always get half a season to establish and perfect a new system (for example Boston last year)

Still waiting for a video on the best offense in league history by the ☘️

@filipbabovic5914

Жыл бұрын

Hows that top 10 coming along?

@HotCrossJuns

Жыл бұрын

@DazeOfNoah 8 games? The Celtics are 19 games in. That’s still early enough that you don’t need to lie to make your point

@PutXi_Whipped

Жыл бұрын

@@dazeofnoah22h we’re actually about 20 games into the season aka around 1/4. Also, I’m pretty sure that TB posted videos on other players and teams with fewer games that took place. Stick to snacks.

@PutXi_Whipped

Жыл бұрын

@@dazeofnoah22It was 16 straight and the Celtics were 6 minutes away from the NBA Finals that season. Are you a Lakers fan? You seem highly unintelligent and whiny!

@PutXi_Whipped

Жыл бұрын

@@dazeofnoah22 Translation: you got schooled by people who actually know basketball and basic facts so you’re reduced to reading Lakers Reddit comebacks.

This hasn't aged very well lol.

@arch1vst

4 ай бұрын

cuz Rudy made a big step defensively on the perimeter

absolutely tho the Wolves offensive struggles is necessary too, their reliance on isolation and rejection on pick and roll/fade and ball movement is crazy

You gotta love an experiment that costs you your entire haul of picks, a ton of good role players, (Malik Beasley shooting so underrated, people talk about Buddy and obv Buddy is better…but Beasley is a flamethrower) and even some young guys. Just bonkers to me. Especially when you have someone as good as Ant on their rookie deal. It’s to a lesser extent, but it’s a big reason why I hated the KP trade for DAL. The dude is like 7”3 coming off an ACL. They didn’t give up every asset they had, but a lot and took on some bad $, etc. They also locked in to KP at rookie max (25%) for 5 years. Just silly. You don’t even know what you truly have yet in Luka, what he needs around him, and you immediately take a gigantic risk and burn assets. Craziness. Obv Ant isn’t Luka. Totally different players, and Luka is significantly better and always has been even if you compare year to year. But Ant is really good, really young. Upside through the roof. The craziest part is they didn’t even…ya know, ask Ant how he’d feel about the move? Ask KAT? You shouldn’t let your stars run your team, but not even asking them about a massive franchise altering move is so insane lol. Rudy has gotten too much hate over the last x years by general public for sure. But man I just don’t understand the move and never will. If they would’ve traded for Dejounte I would’ve been like okay I get it, he’s young, KAT can make up for his lack of a great 3P shot, and he will help w the POA defense. Massive upgrade over DLo in basically every way. Also would’ve cost a fraction of the assets. DLo, cpl 1sts, cpl swaps, and their ‘22 FRP (Kessler right?) for Dejounte and Josh Richardson or something? Basically 3 1s and two swaps…and an expiring. ATL I believe was CHA 1st, two other 1s and one swap? That CHA 1st isn’t good, so I think MIN could’ve gotten it done for that. That at least would’ve made sense. If it doesn’t work out you’re not just completely cooked. You keep your depth also. Just nuts. Even if it works out I just can’t fathom making that move. Why are they pushing all the chips in at this point? There was still time. Hopefully they somehow salvage it bc I like Ant a lot. It’d be a shame for him to be stuck on a middling team for the next like 5 years plus.

@tj5180

Жыл бұрын

Gobert does deserve criticism for his lack of offensive game and missing open layups.

The core problem, is the fact that the TWolves got new ownership, and a new GM. The new GM wanted to make a splash and show the owners, he was the right candidate for the job. However, this isn't 90s & early 00s basketball. What the Wolves are trying to accomplish isn't possible since both bigs are liabilites on the opposite end of the court. KAT plays little to no defense and cant't really go out to the perimeter. Gobert is an offensive liability and where he's supposed to go and catch alley's from that where Ant and KAT would like to operate. This is the type of trade that get you fired so let's see if the new GM can save his own bacon, and flip KAT or Gobert before the deadline.

So no footage of the stretches when they were playing well? I mean, it's not perfect now but it's substantially better than these early season footages

It’s yet another Jazz model: He’s the only guy on the team who can play defense at an above-average clip, but he’s a 3 time DPOY winner so they assume he can hold everything on his own, including the perimeter. *NEWSFLASH: HE CAN’T. HE NEEDS HELP ON THE PERIMETER.* Unlike offense, defense is ALWAYS a team effort. You need more than one good defender on the floor. If you have a singular Gobert-type big man running the D, he can swat in the paint but can’t run around the arc. If you have a singular defensive wing/guard running the D, he can run around the arc and be a pest, but he can’t be a wall near the basket. But if you combine those types, in a lineup, only then will you see improvement.

We are 20 games into the season & the timberwolves are less the 5 games behind the first team in the west but the west is so stacked that there are 11 team in the west ahead of them. It less about them being bad & more about other team winning those few games by making better decisions with the basketball.

So even with the Wolves having miscommunication issues Gobert still has them as a good defensive rating. That speaks to the volume of Gobert impact the team needs to adapt.

Yes, because at 10-9, we know that this won't work. The freaking 2010-11 Heat were 11-8 at the same point in the season. And it didn't look like that would work either. If you thought that this setup would work at the beginning of the season, then you should still think it will work as the season goes on. It can work, because teams have had these sorts of lineups in the past. And if you did not think that this would work before the season started, you need to keep in mind that present failures do not mean that those of us who thought it would work are wrong. I am telling you right now that the Minnesota Timberwolves are going to win an NBA title season. Boom. I said it. I predicted it in the summer, and I'm sticking by it now.

@DavidChinh

Жыл бұрын

Delusional

Not enough role players to do the dirty work needed for team success

As a Jazz fan here, we will be happy to take him back. He is not hated, Gobert is the third most well liked player in Jazz history behind Stockton and Malone....Gobert just has not developed an offensive game...He is the victim of horrible coaching...Quin Snyder was absolutely abysmal and was constantly out-coached.

@theretrosavage

Жыл бұрын

You guys are doing alright without him

The problem on defense isn’t Gobert, it’s rest of the Twolves

Videos like this make me wonder what they even do at practice

"Sartorial Rudy Gobert" yes!

@Thinking Basketball - I'm a HUGE Nets' fan who is dismayed by how my team has imploded since "The Clean Sweep." We play skinny Power-Forward Nicolas Claxton at Center and Small-Forward Ben Simmons at Point-Center. Sean Marks and Tim Connelly should consider swapping their issues on December 15th: we take Gobert and D'Angelo Russell, they take Kyrie Irving, Joe Harris, and Patty Mills. What say you?

No discussion of their offense? Wolves offense is 16 pts worse (1st percentile) with Gobert on the court. That’s the real issue

They gave up Pat Bev that was their pit fall

Thoroughly enjoyed this.

I believe it’s coaching and the chemistry in the team just like brooklyn nets with high profiled players

Twolves d is 30th dead last with rudy off floor. Top 5 when on giving them 14th overall. One man can only do so much.

rly good analysis!

Give it time. It's been 19 games and we barely hitting December. The experiment has looked good as of late. Still some flaws to kink out but nonetheless it has been working well

As there is on offence, there should be a pecking order on defence too. Gobert owns the paint, he's responsible for that area and has preference on rotations. As for KAT, he should now just switch most actions. He's not Al Horford, but he should be serviceable. I'd also give more minutes to Naz as backup 5, even with KAT.

They've just been eyesores for me as a fan. I had realistic hopes for their team, but after giving away critical role players and relying heavily on singular dimensional play, it's been somewhat of a letdown for me so far

I was expecting this, no surprise

Dude ! Your videos are crazy !

Great video!

Forget everything else in the trade - as soon as I saw that the T wolves lost jarred Vanderbilt I knew they were not going to end up well - he was so crucial to their defense last year

I see lack of focus in defensive play, if you are focused you are where you need to be even if you are slower player. And let's be honest there isn't much teams where Russell would be starting PG and first line of defense.

The NBA these days is not a race to finish first in the conference and not make the playoffs. You need players capable of cunning for a good end. Rudy is already good in defense, on the contrary, he needs to improve in attack and the coach on this side is doing his job well.