The Robes and Coronets of the Nobility at the British Coronation

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At all the previous coronations of British sovereigns, Westminster Abbey has been filled with a sea of crimson robes and gilded coronets, the traditional robes of the British nobility. The nobles were present because they had a political reason to be so. In this video, I talk about who the nobility are, why they have this distinctive clothing, how it originated and what it means. Will we see such a sight again?
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  • @scottmccarter861
    @scottmccarter861 Жыл бұрын

    great video's i am glad you point out that this is a solemn religious event not a mere excuse for a day off.

  • @BenjaminISmith

    @BenjaminISmith

    Жыл бұрын

    I believe solemn religious events are just excuses to not work but I love excuses not to work

  • @drmat-xr1xg
    @drmat-xr1xg Жыл бұрын

    I'm glad I'm not the only person interested in this sort of thing, amazing channel

  • @allanbarton

    @allanbarton

    Жыл бұрын

    Nerds of the world unite! Glad you enjoy the channel.

  • @drmat-xr1xg

    @drmat-xr1xg

    Жыл бұрын

    @@allanbarton Indeed! I look forward to every upload, especially surrounding Royality and Nobility- a subject I am very passionate about!

  • @Mtlmshr
    @Mtlmshr Жыл бұрын

    Absolutely Fascinating! One could easily get lost in all of its meaning. Everything is so subtle to the eye however back in the day these must have been major statements of status! Amazing, thank you for doing all of these videos on these topics because it better explains what & why things are done.

  • @allanbarton

    @allanbarton

    Жыл бұрын

    Glad you found it helpful, thanks for watching!

  • @MsCharlie2007
    @MsCharlie2007 Жыл бұрын

    I am LOVING all of these deep dives into all of the nuances of the coronation. Who's there, why they're there, what they're wearing, what they're carrying... LOVE it! #BBMF

  • @allanbarton

    @allanbarton

    Жыл бұрын

    Glad you're enjoying the series, thanks for joining the ride!

  • @TerryC69
    @TerryC69 Жыл бұрын

    Hi Allan! Thanks to your most excellent instruction, the coronation will be less mysterious and thereby a much more satisfying experience for the lot of us indeed. Blessings to you and your family.

  • @allanbarton

    @allanbarton

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you very much, glad you found it helpful. Blessings to you and yours Terry.

  • @messire9837

    @messire9837

    Жыл бұрын

    @@allanbarton It's fake, you need Saint-Louis' blessing to have a in glitch coronation of sorts. "Honni Soit Qui Mal Y Pense" (Edward III Plantagenest, aka your only king worth mentionning ever. Because he was French. (In fact, I'm pretty sure he coined the world "franchise" himself.) So where are those fleur-de-Lis gone on the angevin crown now? What you're showing isn't a crown, it's just some sort of upside down fruit basket, admit it, sir sole tea, sir? PS: Also, nobility doesn't get crowns, they get orders. You're mixing with aristocracy (the royal family/dukes Milites, as opposed to labores and prayeth) Therefore, your royals are nothing but usurpers taking advantage of the fact Lady Diana descended from Charles Stuart, aka your last REAL king in OURtory, sir sole tea, sir.

  • @allanbarton

    @allanbarton

    Жыл бұрын

    @@messire9837 I'm not at all sure I follow what you are saying.

  • @nadiabrook7871
    @nadiabrook7871 Жыл бұрын

    I'm SOOOOOO glad that the coronation won't be held in the heights of summer!! Everyone wearing those heavy robes would be ABSOLUTELY sweltering, and I can imagine many passing out!! In May, the weather should be just right!!🤴👸 Another VERY INFORMATIVE video, Allan!! XXXX 👍❤💗

  • @allanbarton

    @allanbarton

    Жыл бұрын

    Nadia, I love May the weather is just perfect and it will be perfect for the coronation I'm sure.

  • @dnstone1127

    @dnstone1127

    Жыл бұрын

    @@allanbarton June would have been preferable but Charles wants to get whole embarrassing thing over with as quickly and quietly as possible.

  • @malopephasha5341

    @malopephasha5341

    Жыл бұрын

    @@dnstone1127 embarrassing?

  • @peterthorn6004

    @peterthorn6004

    Ай бұрын

    😢​😅@@malopephasha5341

  • @jilltagmorris
    @jilltagmorris Жыл бұрын

    Thank you for yet ANOTHER great episode

  • @allanbarton

    @allanbarton

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks Jill.

  • @bevinboulder5039
    @bevinboulder5039 Жыл бұрын

    Another informative video. I learned a lot that I didn't know before about the development of the English nobility.

  • @allanbarton

    @allanbarton

    Жыл бұрын

    Glad you found it helpful, thanks for watching!

  • @huyentran7024
    @huyentran7024 Жыл бұрын

    Allan. You never fail to fascinate us. Thank for your informative knowledge.

  • @RPe-jk6dv
    @RPe-jk6dv Жыл бұрын

    kind hearts and coronets.

  • @annm.7176
    @annm.7176 Жыл бұрын

    I liked all this tradition.

  • @allanbarton

    @allanbarton

    Жыл бұрын

    Glad you enjoyed it, thanks for watching!

  • @zoomin9397
    @zoomin9397 Жыл бұрын

    Great explanation, I've always wondered about the outfits of the different peers at coronations ever since watched the crown series on netflix. I also think it's great that the UK still have these old traditions, but I also like how the coronation ceremony may change depending on the political beliefs of the time of it.

  • @kimberlyperrotis8962
    @kimberlyperrotis8962 Жыл бұрын

    It’s a good thing that England has a cold climate. Here in California, a May event like the planned coronation would have most people passing out in all that velvet and fur!

  • @allanbarton

    @allanbarton

    Жыл бұрын

    😂 it will probably be cold in London!!!

  • @lindsaydrewe8219

    @lindsaydrewe8219

    Жыл бұрын

    Cathedrals are always cold,and it is England after all

  • @stevennash7737
    @stevennash7737 Жыл бұрын

    Thank you, absolutely fascinating as always .

  • @allanbarton

    @allanbarton

    Жыл бұрын

    Glad you enjoyed it, thanks for watching!

  • @Farrah300
    @Farrah300 Жыл бұрын

    I can't wait to see King Charles III's Coronation. It will not be any less grand despite the fact that there won't be as many people attending.

  • @davidw.2791

    @davidw.2791

    Жыл бұрын

    It’ll be the best filmed one yet, considering the 1953 one was only on b&w tv though I don’t know if they used colour film.

  • @kimberlyperrotis8962
    @kimberlyperrotis8962 Жыл бұрын

    I think it might help those unfamiliar with these ranks to add that Barons are often referred to as Lords. Of, course, this can be confusing, as higher ranks, in personal address, are also called “My Lord”, for example “My Lord Norfolk” for the duke of that name. I think you should clarify ladies’ courtesy titles, too. When I read modern history or historical novels, the writers, even if English, always get them wrong. For example, when a untitled woman marries a knight, baronet or lord, they call them Lady (given name), instead of Lady (husband’s surname). But women are only called Lady (given name) if the receive that courtesy title based on the rank of their father.

  • @allanbarton

    @allanbarton

    Жыл бұрын

    I should do another video on this - when it's wrong it drives me mad too. The one that drives me potty is referring to a peer as though he were the younger son of a Duke - 'Lord Edward Bloggs' instead of 'Edward, Lord Bloggs'

  • @elizabethcornwell4156

    @elizabethcornwell4156

    Жыл бұрын

    That drives me mad too.When the wives of knighted foot ballers ( for example) get called “ Lady Mary or something,when they are “ lady Brown” or whatever the husband’s surname is!

  • @spottedreptile2671

    @spottedreptile2671

    Жыл бұрын

    @@allanbarton Lady Sussan Hussey being a case in point lol.

  • @ludovica8221

    @ludovica8221

    Жыл бұрын

    *applause* It drives me bananas too!!

  • @ludovica8221

    @ludovica8221

    Жыл бұрын

    @@allanbarton Yay !! I am NOT the only one who gets bothered by sloppy use of titles. I am so glad

  • @postscript67
    @postscript67 Жыл бұрын

    I have a book published in 1964 called "Lord Arran Writes", a collection of the newspaper columns of the then Earl of Arran in which, amongst other topics, he gives an amusing account of the hierarchy of peers' coronets: "Leaving out the barons who hardly count anyway the curious thing is that the higher your rank the fewer balls you have. A baron has six enormous ones. A viscount sixteen little tiddlers. But when you get into the earl category, your balls decrease in number and you have strawberry leaves as well. A marquis has four balls and four strawberry leaves. A duke has no balls at all. "These are solemn thoughts, and I ask you to give them your earnest consideration." He goes on to describe his efforts to buy or rent a coronet, which he claimed he wished to wear in the bath.

  • @elizabethcornwell4156

    @elizabethcornwell4156

    Жыл бұрын

    Actually when you get a look at the coronet it is a surprisingly flimsy little thing & rather small!In the same way ,the robes obviously handed down through the family are rather shabby & dare one say it,tatty!

  • @elizabethcornwell4156

    @elizabethcornwell4156

    Жыл бұрын

    I balieve Lord Arran’s nickname was “ boofy”!

  • @justinrosssd
    @justinrosssd Жыл бұрын

    Sir! You read my mind! I was googling coronets while watching your last video! Thank you!

  • @ludovica8221
    @ludovica8221 Жыл бұрын

    Absolutely brillliant :) This is the kind of detail I love.. I know it isnt Coronation specific but at some point in the future could you explain The Peerage and The Baronetage in even more detail and Titles styles and address. I seem to spend a lot of my life explaining to people that nobody is ever "Sir " and who can be styled Lord and who is just Lord and all that arcane etiquette that trips you up when you are trying to look polished

  • @allanbarton

    @allanbarton

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you - I have been sitting down thus evening outlined just that future video.

  • @sharonclaridge
    @sharonclaridge Жыл бұрын

    That was very informative! I'll confess my ignorance in the variations of the robes and coronets. I think perhaps I need to re-watch the televised coverage of the 1953 coronation and test myself on what I have learned today. Many thanks, Allan and also for this month's 'The Antiquary', a very interesting subject.

  • @zzzzzz3006
    @zzzzzz3006 Жыл бұрын

    Definitely one of my favorite channels in this app! I've always been curious though. Why strawberry leaves in particular? Why was it singled out for noble coronets?

  • @rickynewport6339
    @rickynewport6339 Жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for your highly informative programs. I find them all fascinating, especially the visits to churches that may not be well known. I am also enjoying your series on coronations. I have been fascinated by coronations and the Crown Jewels ever since I read a book on the subject from my local library in Missouri when I was a a child in the early 1970s. It was The Coronation Book by Leonard Wibberley published in 1953 to cash in, I expect, on the late Queen's coronation. I re-read it several times and, years later, was delighted to acquire a used copy of my own. Could you recommend other books on coronations and the Crown Jewels? Also, I was wondering why King Charles III's coronation is scheduled so relatively soon after his accession. Going back to Queen Victoria's, coronations have been scheduled about a year and a half after the accession. You would think they would want more time to plan such a an elaborate event, especially as it has been 70 years since the last one. I understand that a lot of research had to be done to prepare for King Edward VII's coronation as virtually everyone was dead who attended his mother's and it's been even longer this time. Thank you very much.

  • @annabanana7298
    @annabanana7298 Жыл бұрын

    Wonderful job as usual! Thank you!

  • @r.a.u.juchtervanbergenquast
    @r.a.u.juchtervanbergenquast4 ай бұрын

    Fascinating video!

  • @daveandgena3166
    @daveandgena3166 Жыл бұрын

    Just found your channel and subscribed. I'm always thrilled to find academic history sources on YT. I'm very excited to tackle your back catalog and looking forward to getting my first copy of The Antiquary. It looks like a terrific magazine. I'm sorry your distribution schedule got held up by the cyber attack. I'm glad it's getting sorted out!

  • @marypalmer1062
    @marypalmer1062 Жыл бұрын

    Only wish my mother aunt and grandmother could be here to watch. Brilliant as always.

  • @allanbarton

    @allanbarton

    Жыл бұрын

    Glad you enjoyed it, thanks for watching!

  • @melissarybb
    @melissarybb Жыл бұрын

    I was so hoping you'd do these topics! Thanks!

  • @allanbarton

    @allanbarton

    Жыл бұрын

    Glad you enjoyed it, thanks for watching!

  • @ChrisSmith-yq9pr
    @ChrisSmith-yq9pr Жыл бұрын

    I enjoyed this wonderful video very much! Great Job!!

  • @allanbarton

    @allanbarton

    Жыл бұрын

    Glad you enjoyed it, thanks for watching!

  • @luceaschild
    @luceaschild Жыл бұрын

    Fascinating! Thank you for such an in-depth explanation. Great video!

  • @allanbarton

    @allanbarton

    Жыл бұрын

    Glad you enjoyed it, thanks for watching!

  • @harkeb
    @harkeb Жыл бұрын

    Very interesting. Thanks for sharing.

  • @annettewillis2797
    @annettewillis2797 Жыл бұрын

    Great work Allan. Very clear and concise explanations of the history and tiers of nobility. Thanks again for another perfect slice of context and history!

  • @allanbarton

    @allanbarton

    Жыл бұрын

    My pleasure.

  • @19gregske55
    @19gregske55 Жыл бұрын

    A very informative clip. Many thanks.

  • @allanbarton

    @allanbarton

    Жыл бұрын

    Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching.

  • @christinewells-leddon9287
    @christinewells-leddon9287 Жыл бұрын

    Superb as always.

  • @allanbarton

    @allanbarton

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks very much, glad you enjoyed it!

  • @Amethyst_Dragon_
    @Amethyst_Dragon_ Жыл бұрын

    Thank you for another excellent video....

  • @allanbarton

    @allanbarton

    Жыл бұрын

    Glad you enjoyed it, thanks for watching!

  • @pugman99
    @pugman99 Жыл бұрын

    Very interesting! I always wondered about the differences in their coronets, now I know! thanks!

  • @RobertJohnson-je6tx
    @RobertJohnson-je6tx Жыл бұрын

    Very informative. Thank you.

  • @allanbarton

    @allanbarton

    Жыл бұрын

    Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching.

  • @Lisette777
    @Lisette777 Жыл бұрын

    Hi Allan! I was just wondering what piece of Baroque music you use at the beginning of your videos? I just love it lol! Also, thanks for another great and informative episode from your fab channel!

  • @allanbarton

    @allanbarton

    Жыл бұрын

    It is a piece of modern public domain music called the Old Tower. It is really lovely. Thank you, glad you enjoyed the video, it was a fun one to do this.

  • @Lisette777

    @Lisette777

    Жыл бұрын

    @@allanbarton Thank you so much for your rapid response! :) ETA: Found it! "the old tower inn"

  • @jimpolk
    @jimpolk Жыл бұрын

    Excellent video. Highly educational

  • @allanbarton

    @allanbarton

    Жыл бұрын

    Glad you enjoyed it, thanks for watching!

  • @scottmccarter861
    @scottmccarter861 Жыл бұрын

    did you see the Article in Telegraph about how the Cabinet Office are deciding which peers to invite. About 200 have laid claim but only about 20 percent are being considered.

  • @reggiebosanquet1525

    @reggiebosanquet1525

    Жыл бұрын

    Hello, I think it's a real shame. It looks like the Coronation ceremony is being really cut down. I believe the total numbers in the Abbey will only be 2,000, last time it was over 7,000! Also peers may only wear morning suits with no robes. I think that's a real shame. If it happens that way it won't look good at all!

  • @scottmccarter861

    @scottmccarter861

    Жыл бұрын

    @@reggiebosanquet1525 bear in mind that in 1953 Westminster Abbey was closed for six months in order to extend the capacity so they are not doing that this time. Also bear in mind that the nature of the peerage has been fundamentally Altered by two Acts of Parliament passed during the last reign, the life peerages Act 1958 (which allowed women in the Lord's) and the House of Lords Reform Act 1999 (which removed all but 92 of the hereditary peers from the Lords) I don't subscribe to this doomsday view among some that Their Majesties are going to tear up the whole thing. i think Peers wearing robes is unimportant but as long as the core remains which it will at His Majesties say so it will be fine.

  • @cornelia9778
    @cornelia9778 Жыл бұрын

    Thanks for that, very interesting. So many books refer to these items without describing them.

  • @allanbarton

    @allanbarton

    Жыл бұрын

    My pleasure Cornelia. They are all rather fascinating.

  • @GoodWorksFarm
    @GoodWorksFarm Жыл бұрын

    This is very informative. I’ve heard the titles of nobility, but was not familiar with where they ranked within the noble group. I have heard several of the terms like “The Letter Patent” but was not familiar with its meaning and importance.

  • @januarysson5633
    @januarysson5633 Жыл бұрын

    In videos of the coronations of George VI and Elizabeth II the heralds were wearing coronets too, some more elaborate than the peers. Does that mean that those heralds were peers?

  • @allanbarton

    @allanbarton

    Жыл бұрын

    The three chief heralds are called Kings of Arms, Garter, Clarenceaux and Norroy. They wear their own distinctive crowns.

  • @simonwatson4153

    @simonwatson4153

    4 ай бұрын

    Coronets not crowns.@@allanbarton

  • @allanbarton

    @allanbarton

    4 ай бұрын

    @@simonwatson4153 no, they are without question crowns, only peers wear coronets. The clue is in the name ‘King of Arms’, kings always wear crowns! What is interesting is that the crowns of the English Kings of Arms preserve the essential form of the English state crown before the arches were added in the 15th century. There is a video in this!

  • @elizabethcornwell4156
    @elizabethcornwell4156 Жыл бұрын

    There is a very good way of remembering the order of rank of the nobility.” Did Mary Ever Visit Brighton Beach”the last B being for baronet.The peeresses coronet is a rather disappointing little thing when you see it in real life!( Im not a peeress but I work in our local castle,seat of a duke & the robe & coronet are sometimes on display.

  • @elizabethcornwell4156

    @elizabethcornwell4156

    Жыл бұрын

    There is also an order of seniority amongst Dukes,certainly.The Duke of Norfolk is head man because he was one of the 1 sy non royal dukes created.The Duke of Northumberland & Duke of Wellington are quite low down the pecking order because their Dukedoms are comparatively new ie Northumberland in 1766.( John Dudley does’nt come into the equation!)

  • @cinemaipswich4636
    @cinemaipswich4636 Жыл бұрын

    I see that Prince Albert, Charles' youngest brother is now the Duke of Edinburgh, and his son James the Viscount Severn, has taken the role of Earl of Wessex.

  • @paulhwbooth
    @paulhwbooth Жыл бұрын

    Excellent, once again. Just to add that there were also mesne barons, those that were tenants in chief of the greatest peers such as the archbishop of Canterbury, the earl of Chester, and the duke of Lancaster.

  • @educanassa100
    @educanassa100 Жыл бұрын

    Amazing video

  • @allanbarton

    @allanbarton

    Жыл бұрын

    Glad you enjoyed it, thanks for watching!

  • @markuslangguth7315
    @markuslangguth7315 Жыл бұрын

    Very interesting, thank you. Have there been special coronets for members of the royal family at times? There was a man sitting in front of the peers at one coronation (a black and white picture, I assume it was from 1952) wearing a coronet with crosses and fleur de lis. From the picture I would say it was Prince Henry, the Duke of Gloucester.

  • @allanbarton

    @allanbarton

    Жыл бұрын

    Yes indeed, I've got another video planned on the Princes and Princesses of the Blood Royal that will talk about them. The rules are complicated!!!

  • @ludovica8221

    @ludovica8221

    Жыл бұрын

    @@allanbarton Oooh goodie! I LOVE all this!

  • @reggiebosanquet1525

    @reggiebosanquet1525

    Жыл бұрын

    @@allanbarton Good idea! There are five versions of the princely coronets, starting with the heir apparent. Looking forward to that one!

  • @lauradarnall227
    @lauradarnall227 Жыл бұрын

    I love watching and talking about Royalty and how they dress ....

  • @allanbarton

    @allanbarton

    Жыл бұрын

    So do I 😆. Thanks for watching!

  • @carus6280
    @carus6280 Жыл бұрын

    My suspicion is that the coronation robes for peers will be abandoned, and they will wear the parliamentary robe, perhaps with the coronet as well, with the potential exception of Royal Dukes etc. Seeing as life peers are unlikely to own coronation robes and such things would be seen as a great expense in a time of economic difficulty. Especially as we would probably know by now if new robes were being made as the manufacturers would already be needing to make them, and somone either a peer or artisan would have mentioned it. It will probably be similar to the State Opening, with a lottery for peers to get tickets, perhaps with exceptions for the special heredataries (the senior peers who have automatic right to retain their seat in the Lords unlike the other heredataries, an example being the Duke of Norfolk). as if all the sitting peers are invited they'd almost fill all the seats in the Abbey, as there are like 700 of them and iirc HM indicated there would be only 1000 guests.

  • @ziucammelu
    @ziucammelu Жыл бұрын

    Cool... While I watched the last video I thought exactly about this... 😂😂😂😂 Btw love your great job

  • @allanbarton

    @allanbarton

    Жыл бұрын

    I am blessed in my job..... glad I divined your next queries 😆. Thanks for watching!

  • @marshaprice8226
    @marshaprice8226 Жыл бұрын

    Very interesting interpretation! Certainly sounds plausible!

  • @neuralwarp
    @neuralwarp Жыл бұрын

    A new form of coronation robe for women was approved some decades ago. The peeress may now wear an ermine cape/pellegrina similar to that of the corresponding peer, but not joined to the crimson train, which underlies it. Her arms extend from under the cape and are sleeveless. As before, she wears long white silk gloves (which you didn't mention).

  • @rickwightman2366
    @rickwightman2366 Жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the explanations of peerage titles. I do wonder what the dress will look like for partners of female peers 😄

  • @truetory6231
    @truetory6231 Жыл бұрын

    I read a rumour that the traditional robes will be ditched in favour of business suits for this coronation..........I truly hope that this is NOT true

  • @TuckerSP2011
    @TuckerSP2011 Жыл бұрын

    It's all very overwhelming to me as an American but you did an excellent job explaining all of these ranks.

  • @reggiebosanquet1525

    @reggiebosanquet1525

    Жыл бұрын

    Hello, I think another video is on the pipeline where the coronets of the Princes of the Royal blood will also be explained. There are five different ones so it gets more complicated!

  • @allanbarton

    @allanbarton

    Жыл бұрын

    Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching.

  • @allanbarton

    @allanbarton

    Жыл бұрын

    Yes, should be live at the weekend.

  • @willk6402
    @willk6402 Жыл бұрын

    Your videos are fascinating… I wonder if you know any history or the location of the Coronets(?) Elizabeth and Margaret wore to the Coronation of their father George VI?

  • @robnewman6101
    @robnewman6101 Жыл бұрын

    Wow.

  • @jimorr820
    @jimorr8202 ай бұрын

    I'm an American. Because of some property I now own in Scotland, I am now a Scottish Lord. I assume this is below a Baron. You said the Scottish ranks are different. How do I fit in? And do I have a coronet and proper robes?

  • @justinwilliams7290
    @justinwilliams7290 Жыл бұрын

    Arent there Jacobean portraits of peeresses in coronation robes though... I know I have seen several which appear to be the case... or are they just happening to wear crimson velvet and ermine gowns with coronets...

  • @malopephasha5341
    @malopephasha5341 Жыл бұрын

    Can u plz tell me the name of the song in ur intro

  • @ericneilson1198
    @ericneilson11984 ай бұрын

    When did the change happen for the Monarch from open crown (like Henry II), to closed crown ( like whats used today)?

  • @simonlabeuf7782
    @simonlabeuf7782 Жыл бұрын

    Question: if an antique collector wanted to acquire an antique (or modern) coronet would it be possible? Where?

  • @allanbarton

    @allanbarton

    Жыл бұрын

    They come up at auction relatively frequently.

  • @janeknight3597
    @janeknight3597 Жыл бұрын

    The Prince of Wales has not been invested as such. Do you think he will wear the coronet with the ping pong ball or the robes of a Duke? The late Duke of Edinburgh although a Prince of the United Kingdom did not have that sartorial can of worms to negotiate. Thank you for your interesting video.

  • @allanbarton

    @allanbarton

    Жыл бұрын

    I hope not the horrible 60s one. There is another coronet for the heir apparent with one arch on the top. It was made for Georg V when Prince of Wales. I hope he will use that. Another video coming on the robes of the Princes of the Blood.

  • @reggiebosanquet1525

    @reggiebosanquet1525

    Жыл бұрын

    @Bluebell Flora That's right! However Prince Philip did wear a princely coronet and robes for the Coronation. These are different from those of a Duke!

  • @reggiebosanquet1525

    @reggiebosanquet1525

    Жыл бұрын

    @Bluebell Flora Hello, yes all the coronets are different for the five ranks of peers, also there are five versions of the princely coronets! They vary according to seniority to the Crown. Prince Philip wore the second version, which is sons and daughters of the Sovereign! All very complicated!

  • @colindateeuwisse6848

    @colindateeuwisse6848

    Жыл бұрын

    kzread.info/dash/bejne/oK2E2LiBnNGrebQ.html maybe he will wear this

  • @samanthafordyce5795
    @samanthafordyce5795 Жыл бұрын

    In the run-up to the coronation, I've been watching videos of past coronations. If the peers show up in business suits, or even in morning dress, they are going to look really silly. The form and substance of the coronation rites require special garb. I'm sorry that the UK is so willing to throw away its heritage and symbolism. Likewise, King Charles should continue to wear the traditional coronation garb of breeches and linen tunic. Wearing a uniform, any uniform, turns the event into a military exercise, not one that covers all the aspects of the monarchy.

  • @allanbarton

    @allanbarton

    Жыл бұрын

    I agree with every word, there is development and there is rupture. Too much change causes rupture and makes a ceremony of this sort worthless. It is to precious to allow that to happen.

  • @carus6280

    @carus6280

    Жыл бұрын

    I think it'll be parliamentary robes, as we are already used to this with the state opening, they may choose to add coronets.

  • @Deepfake820
    @Deepfake820 Жыл бұрын

    To have power given to someone chosen by history and at birth to be a Ruler makes a lot of sense. We have a lineage of power chosen by God if it is chosen by history and providence. We must forever keep it. Along with the temporary power chosen by the people and often given to many who are unfit for power. Those two wings of power need each other to fly .

  • @Donnie_M.
    @Donnie_M. Жыл бұрын

    Question Allan: Do the nieces and nephews of a new Monarch retain "prince" and "princess" when their grandparent, who is current monarch, like Charles III dies? Wondering if Archie and Lilibet will continue to be entitled to those titles once William ascends the throne?

  • @forsythia33
    @forsythia33Күн бұрын

    Is there a person or committee responsible for deciding who wears what, and when the custom for this or that will be changed? It must be divulged, so people know what to have made for the upcoming ceremonies. But this information must come from someone in particular...

  • @countofdownable
    @countofdownableКүн бұрын

    I have seen clear pictures of the different coronets worn by peers. Has anyone clear pictures of the robes? The whole three and a half bars or rows of ermine for Marquesses is unclear?

  • @kimberlyperrotis8962
    @kimberlyperrotis8962 Жыл бұрын

    Do you think the ceremonial swords will be allowed, or if yes, worn, at the upcoming coronation?

  • @rivenoak

    @rivenoak

    Жыл бұрын

    swords of state will be in use and the personal sword of monarch as well. Black Rod and Serjeant-At-Arms wear swords every day when parliament sits, so there should be no issue. swords for all officers, smaller arms for all the pages

  • @gabrielraw7979
    @gabrielraw7979 Жыл бұрын

    I missed the peerage crowning in Charles III coronation. There wasant 😢

  • @allanbarton

    @allanbarton

    Жыл бұрын

    Me too, it was a shame.

  • @gabrielraw7979

    @gabrielraw7979

    Жыл бұрын

    @@allanbarton my mom is the hair to the house of Abbott. She is the currently Marchioness of Abbott. I had to order a New coronation robes for this and in the end they didnt invite our family and there was no peer crowning. My ancestral was Lord Robert Abbott and his son was John Abbott, his grandson, was the Consillor Jonathan Abbott, my seventh grand father and he moved to Brazil in 1830 and became interpreter and fisician of the Court of Dim Pedro I and Pedro II of Brazil. Since then the family hás turned into Brazilian blood, but was British peerage tho. That's so sad what happened this coronation...

  • @StevePetrica
    @StevePetrica Жыл бұрын

    You mention the "Lords Temporal." It might be apposite to mention their counterparts, the "Lords Spiritual," that is to say, the bishops of the realm. Since 1642, the number has been fixed at 26 of them holding seats at any one time in the House of Lords.

  • @allanbarton

    @allanbarton

    Жыл бұрын

    They get a look in in another video Steve. Not mentioned here as the don't have distinctive clothing for the coronation they wear their ordinary convocation dress or pontifical.

  • @carmenfoster6912
    @carmenfoster6912 Жыл бұрын

    This I do know that Charles should wear the stockings, britches the lot because it's a tradition that if broken would be sad

  • @barbaracrain2975
    @barbaracrain2975 Жыл бұрын

    👍👏🙏

  • @Saratogan
    @Saratogan Жыл бұрын

    My hat is better than yours. 😁

  • @rwboa22

    @rwboa22

    Жыл бұрын

    A Baron speaking to a Viscount: "My balls are bigger than yours." 😁😁😁😁

  • @reggiebosanquet1525

    @reggiebosanquet1525

    Жыл бұрын

    @@rwboa22 Viscount retorts back to Baron: 'yes but I've got sixteen balls you've only got six!'

  • @allanbarton

    @allanbarton

    Жыл бұрын

    🤣

  • @allanbarton

    @allanbarton

    Жыл бұрын

    🤣

  • @duncanmast
    @duncanmast Жыл бұрын

    Monday will be 3 months until the coronation and nothing of any detail has been released. Surely something will be announced soon or is it all going to be a surprise on the day. What happened in 1953 what details were known prior to the day? I have checked the Westminster Abbey website today and still no announcement of when it will be closing prior to the date. It's obvious they aren't going to be building the stadium seating inside as in 1953 when it closed over 5 months prior but surely it must be closing soon or can they prep it the week before 😱. They built a massive pavilion at the entrance 70 years ago. As time ticks by it's all a signal that it's all going to be small scale this time 😩

  • @allanbarton

    @allanbarton

    Жыл бұрын

    I know, I am baffled by it. My suspicion is that none of the ranked seating will be in place - my assumption is that given the reach of television now that they have decided not to stuff the Abbey full of people. However, I'm not entirely sure how they will manage without some form of western annex to the Abbey. These started being erected after the procession from Westminster hall ceased following the coronation of George IV. There has to be somewhere for the processions to form up.

  • @RoyalTravelEvents

    @RoyalTravelEvents

    Жыл бұрын

    @@allanbarton But will the make a coronation Theatre again as bringing up the place before the Altar before till the choir stalles on the same level?

  • @luizfelipesouza7961
    @luizfelipesouza7961 Жыл бұрын

    Por favor ative a legenda para este vídeo! Obrigado.

  • @margaretmclennan5169
    @margaretmclennan5169 Жыл бұрын

    I cant wait to see what the ladies will be wearing to the kings coronation anne camilla katherine sophie and katherines children

  • @allanbarton

    @allanbarton

    Жыл бұрын

    Won't it be wonderful? I will do another video on that.

  • @rivenoak

    @rivenoak

    Жыл бұрын

    Camilla is special because she is to be crowned as well.

  • @allanbarton

    @allanbarton

    Жыл бұрын

    @@rivenoak I have two videos on the Consort's coronation and regalia.

  • @stephanieking4444
    @stephanieking4444 Жыл бұрын

    Looking forward to women peers being present

  • @reggiebosanquet1525

    @reggiebosanquet1525

    Жыл бұрын

    Hello, women were present in the last coronation. Certain peerage titles are inherited by females. Good example at the moment is Margaret, 31st Countess of Mar. They generally happen in the older Scottish peerages, and also a number of very old English baronies. As it is the number of peers present for this coronation will be drastically reduced, although I'm sure there will be some life peeress present.

  • @cathrynharrison4734
    @cathrynharrison4734 Жыл бұрын

    Could you explain please why fi Harry was made a Duke by the late Queen why cant Charles as king revke it fir his treachery? Why des parliament have be involved or am I mistaken?

  • @elliotdobie561
    @elliotdobie561 Жыл бұрын

    So will the peers all be wearing their robes and coronets at the coronation of just the main few?

  • @red.aries1444

    @red.aries1444

    Жыл бұрын

    I don't think there will be much peers to be seen at the coronation. If the guest list is reduced to around 2000 people which will include the Windsor family, the members of Royal families from all parts of the world, representatives of the Commonwealth, the representatives of all the other nations in the world, representatives of different organisations of charity and military and of course the MPs, there is little space for the peers. Probably only the peers of the House of Lords will be invited. And I don't think that the normal life peers will be forced to attend the coronation in a special coronation dress complete with a coronet. The coronation will take place in 4 month, thats's not enough time to make over 500 hundred new coronation dresses and coronets.

  • @DominicNJ73
    @DominicNJ7328 күн бұрын

    I was supremely disappointed when it was announced that Charles ordered all the pomp and traditional dress/tiaras/coronets to be dispensed with in favor of a very watered down, "modern" coronation. I fear by the time William is crowned the coronation will barely exist anymore.

  • @colindateeuwisse6848
    @colindateeuwisse6848 Жыл бұрын

    I would love to see women with a title Suo jure wearing the same as their male counterparts.

  • @MegaMesozoic
    @MegaMesozoic Жыл бұрын

    Thanks for that very interesting video! IMHO, the current "House of Lords" should be renamed "House of Crooks", given the calibre of a lot of the incumbents!

  • @allanbarton

    @allanbarton

    Жыл бұрын

    😂😂😂😂 yep.

  • @mavisemberson8737

    @mavisemberson8737

    Жыл бұрын

    But there always were crooks in the House of Lords. Favourites of the Monarch and so on. Why change the name?

  • @MegaMesozoic

    @MegaMesozoic

    Жыл бұрын

    @John d No - I mean actual criminals!

  • @franzsolinas7893
    @franzsolinas7893 Жыл бұрын

    THANK YOU !

  • @allanbarton

    @allanbarton

    Жыл бұрын

    You're welcome! Glad you enjoyed it.

  • @Nick-xf5hr
    @Nick-xf5hr Жыл бұрын

    Thanks for explaining. Now we can get rid of this pretentiousness.

  • @mcyte314
    @mcyte314 Жыл бұрын

    If the peeresses of their own right are going to wear the peer dress, what are the husbands of these peeresses going to wear at the coronation? The peeress dress? Looking forward to seeing THAT.

  • @allanbarton

    @allanbarton

    Жыл бұрын

    The husband of a peeress does not take any status from his wife. Just as Prince Philip wasn't King.

  • @reggiebosanquet1525

    @reggiebosanquet1525

    Жыл бұрын

    Hello, as explained husbands of a peeress whether hereditary or life peerage have no title, they are just plain Mr and have no robes or status whatsoever!

  • @krisztinacsimar4998
    @krisztinacsimar49986 ай бұрын

    11 20

  • @MsG55580
    @MsG55580 Жыл бұрын

    Why were the hereditary peers stripped of their titles?

  • @allanbarton

    @allanbarton

    Жыл бұрын

    They weren't stripped of their titles but their role in Parliament and political power.

  • @MaryLouiseEklund
    @MaryLouiseEklund Жыл бұрын

    Don't the Baronets attend with robe and cornets?

  • @allanbarton

    @allanbarton

    Жыл бұрын

    No, they are not part of the nobility, but the gentry, and part of the commons.

  • @MaryLouiseEklund

    @MaryLouiseEklund

    Жыл бұрын

    @@allanbarton Thanks! I wasn't sure.

  • @sharonvanert
    @sharonvanert Жыл бұрын

    Life peers?

  • @rivenoak

    @rivenoak

    Жыл бұрын

    peer for live, not hereditary. the only new hereditary peers are those from royal family; everybody else is for live

  • @EdMcF1
    @EdMcF1 Жыл бұрын

    Do the Lords get an allowance of £323 for attending like the do in the Lords?

  • @rogerkaleugher7504
    @rogerkaleugher75045 ай бұрын

    Charles didn't want the pomp of fully decked out peers at his recent coronation. Unstable and hasty departure from tradition? Then he changed his mind last minute to allow it. Too bad since outfit and coronet run $50k to use them once or twice in a lifetime.

  • @tatyanamelnikoff9578
    @tatyanamelnikoff9578 Жыл бұрын

    i can't wait for the coronation! long live the king!!!

  • @Oldsmobile69
    @Oldsmobile69 Жыл бұрын

    Many ermine died for these robes

  • @Thauan..
    @Thauan.. Жыл бұрын

    I want a Monarchy in Brazil 🇧🇷🇧🇷🤴🏻🇧🇷🇧🇷

  • @allanbarton

    @allanbarton

    Жыл бұрын

    Bring back the Emperor.

  • @Thauan..

    @Thauan..

    Жыл бұрын

    @@allanbarton It's a honour your reply in my comment. yeah I belong to a restoration monarchy group in Brazil and we are fighting to change the government.

  • @allanbarton

    @allanbarton

    Жыл бұрын

    It is such a shame when a monarchy goes. I think in the UK we are thankfully a long way from that possibility.

  • @parkerbrown-nesbit1747

    @parkerbrown-nesbit1747

    Жыл бұрын

    @@allanbarton I'm probably one of the extremely few Americans who regret losing ours.

  • @allanbarton

    @allanbarton

    Жыл бұрын

    @@parkerbrown-nesbit1747 you may well be.

  • @AulicExclusiva
    @AulicExclusiva Жыл бұрын

    One somehow doubts that the masses of inclusivity-baronesses introduced post-1997 even own coronets. Perhaps they can rent them from some theatrical costume shop?

  • @allanbarton

    @allanbarton

    Жыл бұрын

    Well you know, perhaps a certain number will be produced for hire for the much reduced number of peers. I suspect a lot of the robes and coronets worn in 53 will now have gone or changed hands. An extraordinary number have been sold at auction.

  • @judihopewell2499
    @judihopewell2499 Жыл бұрын

    I wish he would depart from the usual and wear the princes crown for the coronation as it is so gorgeous and less pretentious. It was made for him…

  • @allanbarton

    @allanbarton

    Жыл бұрын

    The coronet of the Prince of Wales? It isn't a crown though, but a coronet and it only has a single arch. The Prince of Wales may well be wearing it though.

  • @davidw.2791
    @davidw.2791 Жыл бұрын

    Any of those coronets have beryls on them? 😂❤

  • @gwynt909
    @gwynt909 Жыл бұрын

    Coronets? Crowns.

  • @allanbarton

    @allanbarton

    Жыл бұрын

    There is a difference.

  • @kevinjamesparr552
    @kevinjamesparr552 Жыл бұрын

    The Government stopped us Baronets from being included in the peerage but if any had more right it is us

  • @allanbarton

    @allanbarton

    Жыл бұрын

    What is your title Kevin?

  • @reggiebosanquet1525

    @reggiebosanquet1525

    Жыл бұрын

    Hello, baronets have never been included in the ranks of the peerage, even when they were first created by King James I in the 17th century. So the government hasn't prevented anything before or since!

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