This might be worthy of golf video of the year. I love how far you took this video by going further into depth, not just with the elbow but what the hand is doing as well. So many other instructors only give you a partial amount of info. Tom saguto, who I watch also, really advocates the tucking of the right elbow as well. However, when I try it, I'm still playing army golf, left right left right lol. You and Tom are my favorite instructors. Thanks for this!!! Also, are you keeping that right elbow at 3 AND right hand wrist at 1 throughout the swing? At top of swing as well?

@robcheneygolf1

2 ай бұрын

Hi Peter. I appreciate you taking the time to comment and for your kind words. In answer to your question, strictly speaking, I like the elbow to stay in 3 (ideally) but the forearm moves more towards position 2. However, I’ve found the sensation of keeping the 3&1 produces a great outcome for the majority of golfers.

@johnsadler8637

25 күн бұрын

I too have been watching Tom Saguto videos and have had some good success with the stack and tilt but still occasionally had that open face of the 2 and 3 positions of the hand. This explanation resonates well with me. I’ll see how the 3-1 positions do tomorrow.

Going to try this now as I’ve been reading Ben Hogan’s book about this hidden secret! This makes so much sense to me. Thank you sir, much respect 🫡

You’re the man!!!! Thanks Rob, you are so good at what you do helping us get better. You are so good at explaining things, actually the best!

@robcheneygolf1

2 ай бұрын

Thank you!

Thank you, great 👍🏾 explanation and great steady voice!

Moved to stack and tilt 2 weeks ago from the swing my instructor had me doing (Destroyed my swing completely) and i am already far more consistent and hitting further (Driver has gained 30m even with it slicing/fading). However this was the missing piece to the downswing. I assumed i needed to keep both arms as straight possible (Watching 2 other S&T instructors and trying to remember everything) and was ending up over the top and early extending. I played last weekend and while i could keep most clubs in play, the driver was fading/slicing (Lost balls and dropping shots anyone) because i was coming over the top. Understanding and implementing this concept actually has fixed this issue. Generally speaking my new ball flight is draw or straight. Cheers!

@robcheneygolf1

4 күн бұрын

That's very cool to hear! Happy the video was so helpful for you. Enjoy your S&T journey!!!

I have played with, watched and worked with a lot of professional teachers and tour pros. This is one of the most informative and easy to follow lessons I have ever seen. I also watched your ball position lesson. I just subscribed and will continue to watch you. Excellent!

Very clear explanations supported with visuals.

Best golf instructor around

@robcheneygolf1

2 ай бұрын

Very kind! Thank you 🙏🏻

@PawelSiczek

2 ай бұрын

Back to back 80's rounds for the first time since my first lesson with @robcheney , I agree!

Thank you. I’ve read 5 lessons three times. Nice to have your addendum. Your explanations are excellent. That smooth 7 iron at the end was the perfect punchline.

I had a lesson with Andy on Thursday and this just confirmed what we were working on. Implementing this 3/1 trail arm position allowed me to add 20 yards of carry distance, on line, and as you stated, effortlessly. Great lesson Rob.

@robcheneygolf1

2 ай бұрын

That’s awesome! Nice job! 💪🏻 #gridlife

This missing lesson/link is huge. You explained it beautifully; it works. Well done, thank you.

@robcheneygolf1

Ай бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

great lesson..i try to feel my trail shoulder point to the sky instead of lead shoulder point down and that helps keep the trail arm tucked...thats 90% pure shots so just have to get the other 10% dialled in

@robcheneygolf1

2 ай бұрын

Nice idea! I like it 👌🏻

This was brilliantly explained. I have struggled mightily trying to get to the 3 & 1 positions but generally end up in the 3 & 3 positions while adjusting my foot alignment to accommodate a slight fade (which occasionally turns into a wild freeway exiting slice. Thank you so much for giving us a clear image and explanation to work with.

Great Info. I am going to give it a try today at the range. I will post later with the results.

I'm a retired with experience in instructional design (ie how to present material in a digestible manner). You're the only golf instructor/teacher that constructs a golf lesson well. Congrats.

@robcheneygolf1

Ай бұрын

Very kind of you to say so! 🙏🏻

I’ve read Hogan’s 5 Lessons so many times and never made that simple connection- The wrists can rotate independently from the tucked Elbow.

@robcheneygolf1

2 ай бұрын

I hope you found the video helpful 🙏🏻

Your way of explain the details in the golf swing is matched by no one, Rob.

@robcheneygolf1

Ай бұрын

Thank you 🙏🏻

Thanks Rob. You have an incredible knack for sensing the questions we’d be asking while watching - and then answering them in your next sentence!

@robcheneygolf1

2 ай бұрын

We aim to exceed expectations! 😎

Like finding a jewel, first coach i have understood about that trail arm. Everyone talks about wrist and elbow.

The most amazing description of one of Hogans secrets! Thanks.

@robcheneygolf1

Ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

Makes it so simple doesn't he and this actually works like everything you have to work on it. Absolutely fantastic golf instruction

@robcheneygolf1

Ай бұрын

Thanks! Appreciate the feedback and kind words! 👍🏻🙏🏻

Hey Rob, I just wanted to say that your videos have been a tremendous help to my golf swing. I used to play quite regularly as a teenager. I always struggled with my swing and ball contact. I have not been on the course for these reasons since the 90’s. I can say after watching countless videos you have explained the wrist hinge unequivocally better than anyone else. Thank you.

@robcheneygolf1

Ай бұрын

That’s very kind, Scott. Happy to hear that the videos are helping you! 👍🏻

So well explained! Great drills!

think your videos are some if not the best videos ive watched.

@robcheneygolf1

Ай бұрын

Thank you, Michael. That’s very kind of you to say so! 🙏🏻

Thanks, very good golf lesson.

@robcheneygolf1

Ай бұрын

Thank you, Oscar! 👍🏻

It really made sense to me. Thank You Very Very much. 😊

@robcheneygolf1

28 күн бұрын

You are so welcome

Very clear and important fundamental of a desirable golf swing, thanks for sharing.

Great video! Thank you!

@robcheneygolf1

28 күн бұрын

Glad you liked it!

That picture of Hogan's trail arm has confused me for a long time. It just ended up with me slicing. Having just seen your video you have now supplied the missing piece. I can't wait to get out on the course and try it. I have just come across you and watched two videos. You break things down and explain them more simply than most KZread instructors. Thanks.

@robcheneygolf1

28 күн бұрын

Happy to help, Simon! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

Well done Rob. A true revelation in golf instruction. I cannot wait to get to the range once I recover from serious wrist injury. Thank you

That picture of Hogan and his take on the grip caused 65 years worth of slicers!

@robcheneygolf1

2 ай бұрын

I think you might be right!

@sollyd123

25 күн бұрын

Hogan fought a hook. His method works to stop the hook but causes the slice LOL

Thanks for sharing this nuances in the golf swing. Very helpful.

@robcheneygolf1

2 ай бұрын

Thanks you for watching, Robert! 👍🏻

Good morning Rob-Your lessons are so explicitly powerful that I always learn something. Will watch repeatedly. Stay safe my friend-Russ

@robcheneygolf1

Ай бұрын

Much appreciated! 👌🏻

Great information. I’ve been trying to learn stack and tilt from various KZread videos. My swing is much improved but I still lose some shots to a tendency to slice. Between this video and your instruction on hitting driver I think I’m finally putting the pieces together.

Very very helpful. Best information I have received. Thanks.

@robcheneygolf1

28 күн бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

Good lesson. If it’s not tough this way by many instructors , it makes me wonder if many great players just stumbled upon this by accident and do this without even knowing

Great instructions Rob and thanks for sharing this video.

@robcheneygolf1

Ай бұрын

Thanks for watching! I’m happy the video was helpful for you! 👍🏻

So,so good!!

wow, this is the part I was missing. Thank you Rob.

clockwise rotation of the right humerus... counterclock rotation of the forearm... while keeping the right wrist bent back to and through impact.... there is also some extension at the right elbow as you approach impact.... this was a great video

@robcheneygolf1

2 ай бұрын

Thank you, Steven!

Great lesson many thanks Tom 👍

@robcheneygolf1

Ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it, Tom!

This is one of the few videos I have saved

@robcheneygolf1

2 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching, Andrew! 👍🏻

Expert advice!! Such a good video.

@robcheneygolf1

2 ай бұрын

Glad it was so helpful!

As you pointed out, that's the missing part of my swing. I practiced in the house as it felt "unnatural" at the range. After a couple of practice days in the home. I went back to the range and did a lot better. Thank you!

Thanks Rob, I had seen this before, it was good reminder of what I had forgotten. I think it was Bryson who was the first to open my mind up internal and external at the same time. Thanks once again really enjoy your stuff.

@robcheneygolf1

2 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment. Happy to hear the video was a good reminder for you! 👍🏻

Wow. Excellent is all I can say!

@robcheneygolf1

Ай бұрын

Glad you like it!

Thanks great vid.

@robcheneygolf1

2 ай бұрын

Thanks, Paul!

Rob this video is gold. This tip reduced so many variables in my swing. Tried it with my driver as well and good strikes were automatic. My arms used to be reaching outward at impact, but if my right elbow stays connected it’s impossible to reach now. I still have some issues, but this makes it one less thing to think about. Thanks!

@robcheneygolf1

Ай бұрын

That’s amazing! Glad the video was helpful! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

Another great video and explanation. Strangely, I find maintaining the 3 and 1 rear arm structure easy to do with the bowler drill (rear foot back) however, considerably more difficult with the normal setup.

@robcheneygolf1

2 ай бұрын

Sounds like a great reason to stick with the “bowler” stance! 👌🏻

Excellent content, could you do some instruction with regards correct release , especially with driver , I have a tendency to hold off the driver for some reason but not my irons ! Thanks

Rob , I have always believed that somehow his right arm was connected to his right hip on the forward swing and that’s why he was so big on the hips starting forward ! John

Thanks for posting. I tried the golf glove under my right arm drill and I’m already keeping my elbow tucked. Closing the wrists and leaving the elbows open tip helps that you mentioned. On thing Im working on now is squeezing my forearms together. Which seems to help with distance especially at impact. I did notice on the range most golfers right elbow is not tucked though. So this video should be very helpful. Not sure when I learned to tuck my right elbow. My dad may have told me to do this when I was a kid. I have others golfers comment my swing is cramped though. If I try to increase my backswing distance to reduce the cramped swing I find it much harder to hit consistently but it does go farther with a fuller backswing.

@robcheneygolf1

Ай бұрын

Glad it helped. The correct right arm position is very much an overlooked/misunderstood part of the golf set-up and golf swing.

This is a great informative video lesson. Would you say that the trail elbow will separate as the back swing gets longer? Or should it stay attached? Would that be too restricted? Thank you, Larry Z

Thanks for this tip. It’s really making great changes in my swing. I was not able to draw the ball, now ball get compression m, distance and draw

@robcheneygolf1

Ай бұрын

Glad it was so helpful! 👍🏻

What about left arm and elbow set up? As to supination.

@robcheneygolf1

28 күн бұрын

I’ll try and cover that in another video

Thank you

@robcheneygolf1

14 күн бұрын

You're welcome

That is pure gold! Feels absolutely amazing and so easy to replicate. Does this also work with Driver?

@robcheneygolf1

2 ай бұрын

Of course! 💪🏻

Great lesson, Cowan agrees

@robcheneygolf1

2 ай бұрын

Thanks, Sam! 👍🏻

Please do a video on lead arm setup !

Thanks!

@robcheneygolf1

28 күн бұрын

Thank you!!! 👍🏻

I started learning to play golf after reading Ben Hogans 5 swing lessons. I have been in a slump lately but last round found something. By keeping my elbow down and in mire my contact improved dramatically. I will really focus on this at the range tomorrow as I think it is the biggest thing missing from ny swing. It also helps my hip movement through the ball

@robcheneygolf1

Ай бұрын

Nice one, Chris! 👍🏻

@chrissmall1246

Ай бұрын

@@robcheneygolf1 Just returned from the range. It feels awkward because the lead arm straight pushes my lead shoulder back a bit so the set up feels strange but...I was hitting them down the middle and my 6 iron was rolling out to about 175 yards on my well struck shots. My 6 iron is normally my 140-150 club so a noticable difference. After so many years I just have to get used to the uncomfortable feeling and make it comfortable. Didn't work so well with the driver though.. seemed to be bottoming out more often. Anyway, thanks, you explain the technique very well. It will make a difference with my irons for sure...much straighter and consistent. Cheers!

Honestly this is amazing! I'm still struggling with I'd say fat but it's more like I'm using jcb golf clubs with my 2 and 3 iron I'd say am at 1 in every 7 are pure now and it's ridiculous I'm barly trying compared to all my years of golf before but my 2 iron goes 250 yards and that is all carry it went 198 yards before when I managed to get it and I was swinging away with all my might 😂 for absolutely no reason it would seem 😅

This exactly my current issue, I suffered with early extension and right elbow separating in my downswing. As you may well assume, it has caused me to shank recently. This very well explained. How do I get in touch for online lesson?

@robcheneygolf1

4 күн бұрын

Please download the SKILLEST app and search for my profile on there. Here is a desktop link for your convenience - skillest.com/app/profile/rob-cheney-2

Wonderful explanation of the rust and arm

@robcheneygolf1

Ай бұрын

Thank you! 🙏🏻

@scottytravis3503

Ай бұрын

Sorry I meant wrist and arm

@robcheneygolf1

Ай бұрын

@@scottytravis3503 👍🏻

I was taught to keep the right arm attached to my chest, but then was told that I'm losing distance and I should let it open for more power. I.e. let the golf glove fall out near the top of the backswing. Thoughts? Love your videos. Thank you so much!

Rob, great explanation, when you have get a chance, can you comment on this video @ 4:29, it seems like Milo is turning the other way, I am not understanding it. Thanks

Always looking for such "asymptotes" up against which to "lean". After seeing the right hand grip change that I'd need, I now see why none of my experimentation had seriously explored this one. Surgery has left me with zero right wrist "extension" ability. Don't think the "pencil grip" will yield satisfying shot length, but a little further fiddling suggests that limiting the right hand grip to the distal segments of the ring and middle fingers might be made to substitute in gaining that orientation, whilst still possibly leaving a bit of "hit" capability. Shall test soon. (Still some questions about when and why that right elbow is meant to fully straighten out in the swing. Suspect that the ability to leave some "shaft lean" at impact comes into play with that. Likely beyond my capability/concern). BTW, had explored this area a bit and had noted that this 3/1 setup is at a "maximum" or "extreme" as long as the elbow remains adjacent to the torso, but if the arm is extended from there, one may proceed to 2/0, if not 1/-1 - without any further turning of the forearm segment. 🙂 I believe that to be where duck hooks reside. . .

I love this lesson and was wondering if the same applies to a driver?

@robcheneygolf1

2 ай бұрын

Yes, sir. Absolutely! 👍🏻

Hi Rob, I tried tucking the right elbow into the chest, and the problem I had was that my back swing was going too inside. Any suggestions to keep the back swing on plane ? Thanks a lot for posting such awesome instructions and insights. Best regards Sanjay

Rob I have this problem all the time

@robcheneygolf1

2 ай бұрын

Hey, Larry! We’re working on this right now. I just sent your Skillest lesson videos back to you! 👍🏻

Hey rob, great video once again! I have been working on trying to get my downswing on the proper path however I can’t help but to slightly steepen the shaft at the start of the downswing despite having a desirable takeaway and top of backswing position. What is this attributed to? I have tried keeping my elbows glued together and maintaining the wrist angles however the steepening keeps occurring. Interested in hearing what you think about this. Thank you for all the great insight coach!

@robcheneygolf1

2 ай бұрын

Hey, Marcel. It’s difficult to say without seeing your swing on video. The things you say you’re doing should be keeping the shaft shallower, so clearly there’s something going on that you’re not aware of. If you’d like to send me your swings for analysis, you can find me on Skillest.

Rob this is the second video I watched of yours .After watching the first one this morning I went out had a game and had 11 pars which I haven't managed for the last 4 months. Never seen anyone before teaching the way you do,I'm impressed

Thank You for this video, I have been working on this exact thing. One problem I have, I have been hitting a lot of shots on the toe, any advice? TIA!!

@robcheneygolf1

2 ай бұрын

Hi Tim. Hard to pinpoint without seeing your swing. If you’re videoing yourself, you can check to see if you’re standing up before impact? If you like to send me your swings for full analysis, you can find me on the Skillest app. 👍🏻

It’s in the Book , picture of the arms are rope together movement in the Golfswing

@robcheneygolf1

Ай бұрын

Yes. Arms (elbows) together. Agreed. Nothing about the forearm/wrist which influences club face.

Hogans prescribed setup had the elbows pointing at the hips, so the trail elbow is not quite as tucked in as that. Had thought the book said that it was but that he didn’t in reality do that as much, but checking the book shows not. Going into impact it was as turned as that though, more than most people manage and also this seems to be the common point area between him and Moe Norman.

Rob, you did not mention the trail arm flying wedge. Was this on purpose? Is that a separate issue or is the wrist position 1 the same as presetting the flying wedge? Thank you as always. Randy

Great explanation, thank you! If you don’t get the forearm to position one, would the miss just hang out and not draw? (Generally speaking)

@robcheneygolf1

2 ай бұрын

Thanks, Les. Yes, you're exactly correct! 👍🏻

Hi Rob, love your program, is there any certified instructor in South Africa? I watched a video with Gonzalo at San Roque, he explained the hand position 2.2,3,1 is that a part of the stack and tilt system or is it something he added personally I live on the St Francis Links currently number 3 in SA, and would love to organize a stack and tilt seminar for our members (we could extend it yo other courses in SA), any ideas?

@robcheneygolf1

Ай бұрын

I’d love to talk more about this. Can you email me? rob@robcheneygolf.com

Is your trail arm resting on your ribs at setup ? Or is it off your body at set up? Some videos your trail arm is off and some on !

Very helpful explanation! I am just wondering what the sensation might be for someone who has been too internally rotated previously? Because they have been using elbow and shoulder to square the face previously instead of the forearm and hands.🤔 Would they likely have to feel they are twisting the shaft and roll releasing with the hands excessively to offset their previous tendency and ensure that they don't just keep leaving the face open and shank everything? Or should we be doing the Hogan side-arm throw? feel and just being strict about our connected trail elbow until we hit a few good ones?

@robcheneygolf1

2 ай бұрын

Great question, Chris. You’re correct regarding the “twist” of the shaft to close the face relative to what your old pattern would have looked like.

@Chris_Traynor

2 ай бұрын

@@robcheneygolf1 Thanks I'll be having a crack at this as I lost my strike a bit recently.

Hello rob, Can I use the tucked elbow with a driver or fairway woods

@robcheneygolf1

Ай бұрын

Yes, David. Absolutely! 👍🏻

I’ve definitely found success keeping that trail elbow glued to the rib cage. Why do most pros have some space between their body and trail elbow at the top of the backswing? Is their first move to tuck it back to the body, and that little extra move creates a little more speed?

@robcheneygolf1

2 ай бұрын

Yes, they are “re-attaching” the elbow in the transition. That’s the movement into the external rotation I was referring to. Many people struggle to find that movement, so getting the shoulder into external rotation at set-up (and trying to keep it there) is often more effective for the masses.

@rickrocketts183

2 ай бұрын

@@robcheneygolf1​​⁠that makes perfect sense then. Basically makes golf easier even though you don’t quite hit your full potential. But at least you can enjoy a round of golf!

💡

100%, drawing on command with my irons now (almost 😂) at least enough I can plan for it

@robcheneygolf1

2 ай бұрын

Love it, Pawal! Great to hear you've improved so much since our online lesson.

Read his book if you want to perfect the slice.

@robcheneygolf1

2 ай бұрын

☝🏻

So......whip your trail forearm parallel to the ground around your body? If so, when should my weight shift take place or will it be more of a natural transfer of weight?

@robcheneygolf1

2 ай бұрын

No weight shift required if you start with it left and keep it there - Best Swing For Perfect Contact! The Wrench 🔧 kzread.info/dash/bejne/qmiWl8d8c5mYY6Q.html

@docriley7837

Ай бұрын

@@robcheneygolf1 awesome thanks, I played well with that in mind last weekend. Subbed.

What if you have poor shoulder mobility and can't get the elbow quite in front of your body as you do?

@robcheneygolf1

2 ай бұрын

That’s a valid question. You can work on your poor shoulder mobility to improve it (stretching etc), but if the range is still limited, I would then work with the player to find a compromise of alignments that allow for functional club face, without sacrificing radius/low-point control too much.

Using the 3 - 1 hand position is an aha moment for me

@robcheneygolf1

4 күн бұрын

Glad it was helpful! 👍🏻

Just to be clear this is a drill to familiarize the feel of tucking the elbow in the downswing and not how you are advocating that someone actually swing all the time never letting the elbow leave the side correct?

How about the lead arm setup, . Arm and hand position 1-3

@robcheneygolf1

Ай бұрын

My preference is 2-2

@stephenchappell4953

Ай бұрын

Thanks , could you do video on that , doing both arms at set up

@robcheneygolf1

Ай бұрын

@@stephenchappell4953 yes, one day… it’s on the list 👍🏻

As Hogan put it sidearm under.

I wonder if Hogan intentionally withheld some of his secrets.

Remember Hogan didn’t keep anything from you in the lesson. Elbows together in the swing

@robcheneygolf1

Ай бұрын

That’s the whole point of this video. You can have the elbows together (which is a good thing) with the face oriented in multiple different ways. That’s the reason so many struggle with this move - they don’t know how to orient the face correctly.

Is This A Serious Video ? My God i learned the Hogan Trail Arm Swing an twisting or rotating the hand and arm were immediatly understood ....So where are people taught to leave the hands up or thw keep the face wide open?

@robcheneygolf1

Ай бұрын

Based on the other comments, it would seem you’re in the minority. Not as clear or obvious as you found it.

@TEBAIL-v6o

Ай бұрын

@@robcheneygolf1 Yea i learned from “Danny Maid ft. Pete Cowan He emphasized the right arm and hand twisting down putting the club face on the back of the ball .. I hit perfectly straight shots

@robcheneygolf1

Ай бұрын

@@TEBAIL-v6o Danny’s channel is great! 👍🏻