To see more scandalous profiles from people of this era, watch the Historical Figures & Their Dirty Deeds playlist: kzread.info/head/PLJTOm-WxzySkDLcVAXR3Vjv23HOgH7lHY To see the John Jacob Astor IV & Madeleine Astor video that I mentioned at the end of this one, click here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/p3psm9qEfrrIn9o.html To see the video about Madeleine Astor's 3rd marriage to the Italian boxer, click here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/gXiNj9OiddGZkc4.html To see the video about Madam CJ Walker's daughter that I mentioned at the end of this video, click here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/p6VtlZSwl7i4nsY.html

@cliftonbowers6376

6 ай бұрын

Yes I do too the political correctness tends to promotes ignorance which honey child iz prejudice..

@cliftonbowers6376

6 ай бұрын

Thank you ...😊

@catherinestevenson

6 ай бұрын

I’ve just subscribed to your channel. You’re a terrific researcher and presenter. And I love how you insert your own sense of humour in your comments. Well done !

@robbiet8583

6 ай бұрын

I have enjoyed this and your honesty and accuracy throughout. Impressed, because we ALL want the truth…don’t we?

@darlingstuff1560

6 ай бұрын

MAYBE keep your nasty commentaries for your own People's 'civilised' histories.......you clearly view MY People's civilising histories as.....PREY for ignorant spite

I shed a tear when you said Astor went back to let the dogs loose, to give them a chance too. 🙏 May he rest in peace.

@TisHotMessHistory

6 ай бұрын

I am an animal lover to the core. That touched me too, Laura. Thank you for watching.

@janetczernecki7779

5 ай бұрын

His father was a good man. 💔🙏❤

@martinareynolds3908

5 ай бұрын

He was a paedo Madeline was a chil when they got together.

@user-er6zk5mt6u

4 ай бұрын

💔 poor dogs too. I’m sure they never even thought of having enough dingy’s for the animals also.😢

@blossom1643

4 ай бұрын

Absolutely. Me too. That shows incredible character & kindness.

Even as a toddler he looks hurt. How someone can pass their child to a tutor who defames the family, or a nurse that 'sets him against them', is another sign of neglect.

@TisHotMessHistory

6 ай бұрын

He never looked happy. That tutor was the worst kind of person.

His dad is a hero for releasing the hounds on the Titanic

@katiekane5247

6 ай бұрын

I'm sure none survived anyway 😕

@laurasalo6160

6 ай бұрын

​@@katiekane5247yes, but to show them one final kindness matters too.

@Youser999

6 ай бұрын

Just like Mr. Burns lmao

@trishawalsh7832

6 ай бұрын

I'd loved to rescue them. It might be difficult if they fought, though!

@cogitoergospud1

2 ай бұрын

🙄

I'm gonna blame parenting. He was an adorable & healthy baby. Let's call this nurture vs nature

@maryhalverson5713

6 ай бұрын

- The problem is, a lot of men only pretend to be stable before marrying.

@TEM14411

6 ай бұрын

❤❤

@theoryofpersonality1420

6 ай бұрын

Spoken like a true sexist. Stress hormones can cause neurological changes in even adults. The child was experiencing the stress hormones of a woman in utter dispair at the prospect of being a teen age mother who just lost her husband on a honeymoon during a near death experience. It would have been hard enough for someone who wasn't a teenager, someone who wasn't pregnant, someone who had just lost her husband to survive until rescue boats arived. Much less being a pregnant teenager who just lost her husband in a near death experience in a time when not having a husband would have meant almost certain destitution. The chemicals on that babies developing brain absolutely affected his neurological development. I'm not saying he wasn't at least a little spoiled. Being as he survived the ordeal and was her miracle baby and the only connection she had to her now dead husband who died a valiant death. I am saying his neurological development in the third trimester is extremely important as that is when the brain obtains many functions.

@lisalking2476

6 ай бұрын

True

@user-bn2st5kx8h

3 ай бұрын

Me too

Less than a year before Vincent Astor's widow, Brooke, passed, I read an article about her that indicated she was living under some pretty horrible circumstances, and she was living day to day in the same worn-out bed clothes. I found this to be shocking, considering that she was one of the last vestiges of old New York society. I immediately sent a letter to her home offering to send Mrs. Astor a few new bed clothes if someone would respond with her size. I did receive a reply on Brooke Astor's letterhead thanking me for the offer, but things would be taken care of for her. This would have been the same time that Brooke Astor's son, Tony Marshall, was found to have been mishandling his mother's financial affairs (I believe they considered it be elder abuse). That's a whole 'nother interesting story you might want to get into, Ti. It's pretty scandalous.

@PepperPotPavilion

5 ай бұрын

Your offer of bed clothes was extremely kind and generous. Thank you for sharing your story and for your lovely gesture.

@ckotcher1

2 ай бұрын

Good on you for trying

Most people don't like to think about it but children of the rich are often subjected to a form of abuse that comes with wealth and power. How many are either spoiled rotten, have no idea of humility, shunted off to be cared for by people hired to care for them and love them, and not allowed to complain about the lack of love in their lives because no one who has money is allowed any sympathy for lacking anything. This kid was defined purely by his money. But when he accepted that identity they dump on him. Let's face it, everyone hates rich kids while envying their wealth and the power it gives them. That's a hard load for any kid to carry.

@l.c838

5 ай бұрын

Very true.

@dalet9207

4 ай бұрын

Today Jakey would probably be diagnosed bipolar or mentally incompetent. Because of his unsociable habits.

@dalet9207

4 ай бұрын

His daughter might be right about forgetting the Titanic related to Jakey.

@NanaAmySpectreSeeker1111

4 ай бұрын

Lol sounds like our ex President.

@kateealer7

4 ай бұрын

@@NanaAmySpectreSeeker1111 LOL, which one? The one who ate a dog or the one who kept taxes low and kept us out of war?

Very interesting. As someone who is obsessed with the titanic, I have never researched the titanic baby . And jj Astor really release the dogs? That makes me respect him so much more and letting ladies take his spot on a lifeboat 😢

@loulou9297

6 ай бұрын

Same 🐾💜

@YahLotus

3 ай бұрын

There is zero ocular proof that JJ Astor released any dogs. It’s a rumor. Not even a rumor, more like a deleted scene from the movie. The three dogs that survived were with their owners. At least 9 other dogs didn’t make it.

Phewww the gossip column during the gilded age makes Wendy Williams look like an angel. They are brutal.

@TEM14411

6 ай бұрын

Right!?!?!?! We went from preoccupation with the wealthy elite "old money" to celebrity culture today. There is nothing new under the sun!!!

@swampghost72

5 ай бұрын

Brutal and very invasive..But some of the elite had publicist in order to keep them writing about them..

@sonthadon43608

4 ай бұрын

😆😆😆 u ain't never lied

I always felt that Madeline was a bit of a gold digger, with a mother who didn’t hesitate to push her daughter into society! And she loaned her 4 year old son money? Really? … I think I’ll send my two month old granddaughter a bill for the crib that I bought her prior to her birth! 🙄

@christyt4249

5 ай бұрын

I think you are right. Her mother made sure they “met” JJ Astor. Her original plan was for Madeline’s older sister to get with him. And her sister was only a year or two older than her (so both girls very young for him). Their mom had a plan. It just happened that he and Madeline hit it off. These girls were raised just like Jackie Kennedy and her sister, to marry very well. And their mothers knew exactly what they were doing and taught their daughters well in that skill.

@pjay951

5 ай бұрын

😂

@jacquelinegrayden4706

5 ай бұрын

And i want my money back, that i spent to go to Italy for my grandsons birth.

@CanadianMonarchist

4 ай бұрын

JJ Astor was a very handsome man (well I think so).

@lisaknell1809

4 ай бұрын

@@CanadianMonarchist I agree wholeheartedly!

That man never smiled! Every picture showed that!

@pjay951

5 ай бұрын

I noticed that too. So sad.

@bradsmith1189

5 ай бұрын

nobody did in thosse days while in a portrait .. not until mr tuttle the photographer for every school in texas as i was growing up came along.. he made you smile as we waited for his name he gave you before picture was taken.. gave a seat look sweet tootsie or grab a chair longhair, hop on thesaddle cowboy.. my grandparents didnt smile either.. im 68 now..

@evelynwilson1566

5 ай бұрын

No one did in the early days of photography. People wanted to look serious, and taking photographs was not a quick process so a smile would look fixed. For poorer people it was an investment, a very special occasion.

@653j521

4 ай бұрын

@@evelynwilson1566 You say that when there are photos in this video of smiling people? And by the 1930s there were snapshots and color movies! Certainly even if you don't smile you don't have to look like someone shot your dog! The eyes say a lot. The early days of photography were in the mid 1800s not the Titanic era.

@caroliner2029

2 ай бұрын

Narcissists don't do "happy". They do smug smirk of schadenfreude, arrogant contempt, envy, antagonism, spiteful vitriol, smear campaign lying, more lying, playing the victim, creating drama, etc. But "contentment", "gratitude", empathy, peace, "kindness", "joy", "happiness", "love" -- real love, not meaningless words or manipulation, or virtue-signalling, or fake love for facade management --- they are not capable of these.

Rest in peace John Jacob Astor. I hope you are with those poor dogs, having fun.

@ThanaBrunges-mx7ji

2 ай бұрын

Amen! 🙏 ❤❤❤❤❤❤

How very sad. Money can't buy you love, or teach you how to be a good man.

@starbright1256

6 ай бұрын

Agree

@Dana_inc

5 ай бұрын

His mother was to busy with a loser!

@garethglitter5932

2 ай бұрын

Britain's Prince Andrew is a good contemporary example of that.

I'm going to give some food for thought after watching this video. I'm in no way defending Astor VI because as adults we're all responsible for our behavior, but we're not born adults. I'm willing to bet that from his birth until at least his teen yrs., he was told, reminded, and had his opinions formed by his mother and nanny about how his half brother got the bulk of their father's estate and he was given a small fraction. And the media was always there to rub it in his face that he was an afterthought when it came to his father. I suspect his father left him a smaller inheritance because he didn't know if it would be a boy or a girl. And girls then were considered less important and not heirs to the family fortune. I mean Astor IV left his own daughter only $10M compared to the bulk he left his first born SON. I'll go further to bet that it formed Astor VI's self opinion and self esteem. The video speaks of his snobbery and poor social skills. Again, this is instilled as a child. One is not born that way. I'd bet he was raised to feel special, entitled, privileged and therefore deserving of so much more than he got from daddy, a man he never knew. Therefore, it's the perfect example of brainwashing of a child's mind who went on to believe what was instilled in him. And so, he didn't excel in life because he was consumed by resentment, expectation and jealousy which steered him all through adulthood. He even attempted to get more money by suing his brother's wife because he was obsessed with his inheritance that he was told was inadequate his whole life. And this is what happens when we raise our children to think a specific way. I just wonder how he would have turned out if his father had lived to raise him.

@SWiseman

6 ай бұрын

According to an inflation calculator, $3 million in 1912 is roughly $97,456,000 in today's dollars. Not too Shabby 😊

@littlewoodimp

6 ай бұрын

I've just compared him to Donald Trump and Boris Johnson in their schooldays. Their family backgrounds have similar either absentee or highly critical Father (both in Boris's case), all three had some cause to feel overshadowed or not as valued as siblings, all three knew they could fail because they'd never be allowed to fall. As you say, we're not born nasty people.

@cherylmockotr

6 ай бұрын

That's how inheritances had always been handled in England, and much of the rest of the world, for millenia. Family wealth can only be retained by not dividing it every generation. The eldest son always inherited the bulk, and all other children only provided enough for their own lifetimes, not their descendants. It makes sense. "Jakey" sounds more like he was autistic and socially clueless, rather than simply spoiled rotten.

@MrBurtonf

6 ай бұрын

Compared to the 10 million his sister got and the 70 million his brother got, 3 million was almost an insult. Everything is relative.

@callysto11

6 ай бұрын

It also seems like his brother, who sounds like a good man, never made himself available to Jakey. Instead of being a roll model and spending time with Jakey, he ignored him. Would Jakey have turned out differently with the love of a brother?

Mama was pissing the money away😅

Poor kid suffered tremendous trauma in-utero, likely birth trauma due to his size, as well as childhood. The way he's described here sounds like he was autistic, or at least suffered from NVLD... non-verbal learning disability.

His mother and stepfather never educated him socially ( mannerisms, charms, and so on ).

@ThanaBrunges-mx7ji

2 ай бұрын

That is so sad! I😢

I love history and I didn't know anything about "Jakey". Everything that you have said about his behavior makes me believe that he was autistic. This is a very sad story.

@simpledimple652

6 ай бұрын

This is exactly what I was thinking! If not autistic he definitely had a different ability that wasn't recognized nor treated.

@cherylmockotr

6 ай бұрын

That's my impression as well, the same for his earlier ancestor who had been labeled an idiot.

@user-qt4qp6bj1q

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, it's too harsh. Not objective.

@patricksmith2274

6 ай бұрын

Never watched the Titanic movie or care to and I no empathy towards wealthy people loosing their wealth.

@rlbrown4013

6 ай бұрын

@@patricksmith2274 My comment only spoke to my observation that John Jacob Astor VI might have been autistic. Rich or poor I am sad that in his life, no one knew how to care or deal with his illness. I am thankful that today there are many people being helped thru the study of autisim.

Who would have known that me being a huge Titanic geek since I was a child would land me at hot mess history. Blown Away. By the presentation, the humor, the intelligence of the narrator, and the validity of the information being presented. As of now I am subscribed and hooked. As I am watching this on Christmas Day, what a great Christmas gift! Well done hot mess history! Do you have a subscriber for life. PS I love it how the narrator explains how awesome it was way before having to walk on eggshells as we do today with political correctness always at the tips of our tongue

@mavisgriffithd7704

6 ай бұрын

Me too I don't knw why I'm so obesst with tatanic...I can't believe I found this but if it say tatanic I'm clicking on it

@kimweidner7351

6 ай бұрын

@@mavisgriffithd7704that makes a me 3. LOL😅

@diannenash2703

6 ай бұрын

Titanic is how it's spelled​@@mavisgriffithd7704

@TisHotMessHistory

6 ай бұрын

Thank you for your very kind words, Andrew. I love researching these Titanic passengers, so I'll make a lot more of these videos for you all in 2024. I'm SO glad that you saw this as a Christmas gift because that was truly my intention. Down with political correctness! Thank you for subscribing. I hope that you continue to enjoy it here.

@TisHotMessHistory

6 ай бұрын

@@mavisgriffithd7704 thank you so much for watching!

I never knew that Astor gave his spot to a woman and helped save people. Btw, they do say the Astor's are one of the 13 families who are oligarchs. I like your chanel!

@653j521

4 ай бұрын

Who says so?

This guy grew up spoiled rotten and that's exactly what he thought...$$.He grew up with hatred (most likely from his mother talking about being disinherited)so he grew up w/hatred n thinking only about $$. He never worked,was bitter yet thought he was better than all in his social circle.. the guy NEVER KNEW HIS FATHER yet he thinks he is entitled to a major part of his fortune! He wasted more energy thru hatred and being nothing more than a snob!

@llamamama2910

6 ай бұрын

He still could have inherited more-but should have been plenty to live on-the environment was toxic social circles

That is not a good choice to let a16 year old live on their own, no matter the socio economic background.

@ThanaBrunges-mx7ji

2 ай бұрын

Agreed! 👍

I love the fact that you dont use an AI voiceover for your documentaries like 99.8% of youtube channels do presently, which I find a total turn-off and I immediately skip the vid. Plus --- I love the way you tell a story, so I SUBBED! 😘 👑

I feel really sad for him, I think he's attitude was the direct result of how his mom raised him. She made him the family name, money and what she believed was hia value. He like most kids believes it too😢

@TEM14411

6 ай бұрын

🕊 you know some things. ❤

That wedding picture is a hot mess! Sourpuss couple!

Make your videos it only proves one that doesn’t matter if you’re rich or poor, we all struggle from time to time

TI you be having me rolling when you start to tell these people about themselves. 😂

@TisHotMessHistory

6 ай бұрын

LOL! Hey Biz Minded!

I loved your presentation. It’s entertaining, humorous AND informative. Thanks for covering this story and sharing this spoiled brat’s exploits. The only saving grace is that he didn’t go into politics!

I actually feel completely so sorry for him he was neglected n no one thought to check on him nor like a person like a container of spices left in the cupboard

@llamamama2910

6 ай бұрын

Right-your governess wouldn’t have the chance to turn him against you mom if you actually spent time with him and didn’t think of caring for him as “loaning him your own money”

@sp8813

6 ай бұрын

Sorry for him for what?? He's a spoiled brat. Gives me the same vibes the men/boys of the TRUMP family

@charlietbarnes4842

6 ай бұрын

Well he just wasn't wanted by anyone that must of not been easy money was his comfort blanket x

@collinsje5

6 ай бұрын

Wah-wah. Poor little rich boy. A lot of us were subjected to bad parenting but went on to live full and productive lives. No pity for a manbaby who had the opportunity to make good choices but didn't, because he was a weakling.

@Tornado1994

20 күн бұрын

@@sp8813 The Astors were all playboys. Astor the 6th viewed Madeline as his Trophy Bride, he thought it would make him look dignified if he bagged a Wife Half his age. Trouble being, Madeline's Age gap was EXACTLY the same as Grover Cleavland's and Frances.(*Eww*)

With that settlement she gave Jakey it was the equivalent to " If you don't take these little 250,000 dollars and get out my face" 😂😂😂😂

@TisHotMessHistory

6 ай бұрын

LMAO!!!!!!!!!

How sad to be an infant and not be wanted! No child deserves that! It seems he didn't value the life he was born into.

@TEM14411

6 ай бұрын

How does one value their life or themselves when they never felt valued as a child? Our identities are deeply rooted in the messages and beliefs we are imprinted with in childhood.

My grand father was supposed to be on the Titanic, thank God he was given a reason to stay in England.

I really enjoyed your presentation on Jackie & Vincent Aster. I watched a documentary which spoke unkindly of Vincent. I had no idea Vincent Astor was such a humble caring giving man. His father would be so Proud. Thank you for enlightening me❤️🇨🇦

Yeah free them puppies:D 👏 ❤ thank you for freeing them that shows that their was love once in this world he didn't have to save them but he was a brave man and saved them before himself I'd say that's a true captain

omg this is the first I have heard about the unborn child! WOW.

@TisHotMessHistory

6 ай бұрын

Thank you for watching what I had to say about him.

I've often wondered what happened to the Titanic baby. Thanks for letting us know.

@TisHotMessHistory

6 ай бұрын

Thank YOU for listening to what I had to say about him.

Madeline should have taken care of the brat by herself. Why did she have to rely on nurses and everybody but herself ???

@TEM14411

6 ай бұрын

Wealthy people outsource everything. That's why a slave was qualified to be a milk maid. Slaves were inferior and didn't deserve freedom but they were fit to nourish the white child.....

@cdes1776

5 ай бұрын

It's not what the wealthy did. They were very important!🙃

Brother Vincent was set up by Jakie's mother and other people encouraging Jakie to have this lingering anger - clearly Jakie could have used a good therapist to help him sort this out. Actually Vincent had helped hIs jealous little brother a lot by growing his trust funds for him. Forgiveness, gratitude and an attitude to help those less fortunate would have gone a long way in healing his bitter life.

This was fascinating! You do these so well! It's your interpretation that has me coming back. The history is great, but it's your narration that makes it exceptional. Thanks Ti. People will never forget the Titanic. The story is captivating. It has everything a story needs to live forever. I have no problem remembering the history of it all, the ship, the people, how the class system doomed 3rd class passengers, the hubris of man... What I have a problem with is the continuing desecration of its grave. That's the area of this bit of history that needs to be respected and left to rest in peace.

@TisHotMessHistory

6 ай бұрын

Hi Sarah! Thank you so much for your kind words. I totally agree with your thoughts on Titanic. You're right. It has everything that a story needs to live forever. I also agree that the ship needs to be left alone. It should be respected like a gravesite.

@lisalking2476

6 ай бұрын

I agree it is a grave sight 😢 need to be respected and Not desecrated 🙏

You have a great page! Most rich people are not happy!

@TisHotMessHistory

6 ай бұрын

Thank you so much, TrotterHorseWatsonJr!

@schnecke9850

6 ай бұрын

Yes...thank you!!!

Excellent. This is my first time listening to your channel! You did a great job.

@TisHotMessHistory

6 ай бұрын

Thank you for your kind words. Thank you for giving my channel a try.

Traditional Men Like John Astor The Fifth Would've Been Red-Pillers In This Generation 🫠😅😂 This Was A Joy To Watch

Really enjoyed this!! Would love to hear more about Vincent and his wife, they sound like kind hearted people

@TisHotMessHistory

6 ай бұрын

Hi Gabriela! Thank you for watching. I'm so glad that you enjoyed it. The Astors are on my long list of topics. I will talk more about the other family members later this year.

@jacquelinegrayden4706

5 ай бұрын

There is information on here about his wifes last days, no bed clothes.

Kettles on if anyone wants a cup 😊 Gotta keep us all refreshed as we hang out together. Who brought the biscuits?? 👍🇮🇪

@carolannemckenzie3849

6 ай бұрын

I did. But I ate them on the way. Sorry! 😋😂

@TisHotMessHistory

6 ай бұрын

YAY! Am I too late?

@TisHotMessHistory

6 ай бұрын

LOL @@carolannemckenzie3849

I really enjoy this video. I often wondered what happened to many of the passengers that survived the titanic. I'm so happy you've given us some insight on the lives of the survivors

@TisHotMessHistory

6 ай бұрын

Hey Jake Miles! I'm so glad that you enjoyed this. I love researching the Titanic passenger stories. I'm going to post a lot more of them in 2024.

I love your delivery. Hilarious😂😊😁

@TisHotMessHistory

6 ай бұрын

Thank you so much!

Brilliant video Ti, really makes some excellent observations about this guy… It must’ve sucked so much to be him! Proof here that money can’t buy happiness. Really good, astute, witty narration as usual! 👌

@TisHotMessHistory

6 ай бұрын

Thank you True Crazy Lion! And thank you for coming to the premiere. I wish that I could have been in the chat with you all, but I got to see your last comment. Glad that you had some fun!

I’ve been watching history on KZread for years, how am I just now finding you? You’ve got a great voice for narration. You also keep mentioning things that I then look up, love that, thank you!

Nicely done. I'm a History lover & enjoy all Hot messes of the past - so I had to subscribe. 😍

@TisHotMessHistory

6 ай бұрын

Thank you for your compliment. Thank you for subscribing. I hope that you continue to enjoy it here. I am working on another historical hot mess to have ready for you on New Year's Day.

How can a newborn to a toddler owe his mother money? That is awful to write a book about a child in that way.

@bethbartlett5692

6 ай бұрын

This video is not accurate.

@user-oz4cc8hk4r

6 ай бұрын

@@bethbartlett5692 Well I guess it is the interpretation of the researcher. When you think about it, we have many super rich people today that has been portrayed similarly ( Mary Trump fighting with her Aunt and Uncle over money, Casey Johnson-she couldn’t find her purpose in life, Gloria Vanderbilt/Barbara Hutton they dealt with so many people trying to scam them out of their money ).

This just shows how important a father, who sets a good example, is for the upbringing of a boy. It's also important for girls to see a good example so they know the difference between a good man and a bad man. Jakey lacked the love and guidance of his incredibly wealthy and famous Father, which created a lost soul.

@rachaelmorgan4025

6 ай бұрын

It s hard fora dea. DIED an example also who knows if jj Astor wouldn't have chang his will if he hadnd died

@sassillama9873

6 ай бұрын

His father died

@anymongus

6 ай бұрын

ABSOLUTELY! 💛

@missg1727

6 ай бұрын

A good father, some are great husbands but horrible father's. If a father is going to be in his children's life, he has to be a good one, because some has trash ass father's.

@anymongus

6 ай бұрын

@missg1727 Unfortunately, you speak truth. I REALLY Hope you have a good day...your comment kind of made me chuckle. Not in a bad way !

"But he was..a Flaming hot mess.." 🤣🤣🤣

@TisHotMessHistory

6 ай бұрын

He WAS! Hahahaha!

I think the mother is basically forcing the boy to pay for his own bringing up! That's not right.

"Jakie" looked so grouchy . All I knew of the Astors beyond their wealth and lifestyles were subtle jokes about them. Never act uppity or snobbish in my family or you'd get called out as trying to act like an Astor ! (NYC roots). Like "Well now Lady Astor, is everything to your liking?". But I was taken in my best dress for tea at the Waldorf Astoria and manners were mandatory. My dear grandfather took me on many many tours of the city during the 50's telling me all about the history of the city from Dutch days on and in all neighborhoods. He made history come alive.

I love how diverse your videos are. Keep up the good work young woman. You are quite the documentarian.

@TisHotMessHistory

6 ай бұрын

Hi Charlotte! Thank you for your kind words. I have a content calendar for this year that will allow me to tell many different kinds of stories. I'm really looking forward to getting them out to people like you who will appreciate them.

Rose: “That’s John Jacob Astor….the richest man on the ship…Mrs. Astor is at home with the kids and his teenage mistress is in a delicate condition….see how she’s trying to cover it up? QUITE the scandal”

@newgabe09

6 ай бұрын

Why would it have been a scandal? Marriage dates didn't match how pregnant she was?

@lizzi7128

6 ай бұрын

Why a scandal? Back then a teenage wife normal

@robind7352

6 ай бұрын

I think it was a scandal because they were on their honeymoon and she was already pregnant.

@Tina06019

6 ай бұрын

@@lizzi7128 It was scandalous because Madeleine was as young as his son Vincent, and because JJAstor IV had divorced the mother of his children. So people found it titillating. I was married very nearly as young as Madeleine was, but to a young man only 18 months older than me…so, no scandal.

@johannesbols57

6 ай бұрын

@@robind7352 They were returning from their honeymoon in Egypt. They were married in Sept. 1911. Google is your friend, idiot.

I am so happy that I found your channel! you did a brilliant job on this!

They were married because of her pregnancy. That explains a lot

@sarahpiaggio2693

6 ай бұрын

Did I miss something? It was stated that his mother was a few months pregnant when they got on the titanic, returning from honeymoon in Europe. The rich don't have a 2 week honeymoon. There doesn't appear to have been a whiff of scandal about his conception

@marleneg7794

6 ай бұрын

@@sarahpiaggio2693 young Astor was born 4 months after the Titanic. Honeymoons for the social stratus was typically 2 to 3 months not two weeks.

@sarahpiaggio2693

6 ай бұрын

@@marleneg7794 Yes, this was my point too, although we weren't told specifically how long this particular honeymoon was. It could have been longer, and he could have been premature (yes, I know they didn't have such developed care for the premature). My point was that suggesting they got married because she was pregnant seems a bit precipitate, particularly since there doesn't seem to have been any scandal at the time. I'd be happy to be corrected with facts though

@moiraslater8526

6 ай бұрын

​@@sarahpiaggio2693not likely given his birth weight that he was premature.

@H_H_____

6 ай бұрын

Unfortunately no one picked up on her being a teenager and the man being an old coot.

Another great video. Such good research!

@TisHotMessHistory

6 ай бұрын

Thank you so much, Ellie! The research is my favorite part.

I feel bad for him. Of course he’s responsible for his behavior and choices as an adult, but everyone failed him as a child. I feel terrible for the baby and then child who was raised to believe by everyone who should’ve cared for him that he was only worth however much money he had.

Thanks for the laughs, for sharing the memory. And remember, you did another Titanic spinoff, the one about that actress. We can't forget the Titanic, for the lessons we hopefully learn from it.

@TisHotMessHistory

4 ай бұрын

Thank you so watching, QuickChris. I have many more Titanic stories to tell. You're right. More than anything, we need to learn lesson from Titanic and do better as humans.

@quickchris10

4 ай бұрын

@TisHotMessHistory thanks for responding, and I subscribed, by the way. I just didn't day so coz I thought, "I am not gonna force her to reply."

Very well researched and entertaining video. Cheers

@TisHotMessHistory

6 ай бұрын

Thank you so much, Piers.

One son grew up with a father (Vincent) and one did not (John VI). One turned out well and the other was a hot mess. Curious, no? No. Daddies are important.

Thank you for all of the time and energy you put into these videos. Excellent. Life is so sad for many. Money does not buy happiness.

You do a fantastic job telling this story! Very interesting!

With that amount of money, I'd buy an island and live the life of a hermit. I wouldn't have to speak to people except when I need to get to the mainland to buy food and other stuff.

You are so good at these Ti ❤❤❤

@TisHotMessHistory

6 ай бұрын

Thank you so much, LailahLynn! I had to kinda start all over and start a new thing. But I always think of the foundation that you taught me. Learning about evergreen content from you was GOLD!

Excellent story telling. I’m a new subscriber. Jake was a product of his environment. You learn love and empathy from the people around you, especially your mom. Another example of having everything you want, but not what you really need.

Thank you kindly for these interesting stories about survivors of the Titanic.

Great video research and presentation. And, I am prepared to tell anyone who will listen about this episode's intro "Previously on Ti's Hot Mess History..." Fantastic!

He looks obnoxious in character

One of my distant relatives was on the Titanic & survived. He was a Fireman George Kemish.

@TisHotMessHistory

5 ай бұрын

How cool! I have seen his name in Titanic material.

The world around him from birth told him all he was, was his money and that wasn't worth much, no wonder he had no idea who he was on his own .

This was so fascinating! Excellent work!

@TisHotMessHistory

6 ай бұрын

Thank you so much!

So happy I've found this channel❤🎉

@TisHotMessHistory

6 ай бұрын

Hi LiLiLit! Thank you so much for giving my channel a try.

Hello Ti, This vid just popped up tonight & I watched it. I was enthralled at how you deliver. Thank you. I’m pleased I found you ☺️

I love your presentation. I have been fascinated with the Gilded Age (Not the TV series) for decades. Thank you for your excellent research and sense of humor.

This was great!! How about doing a video on Brooke Astor?? NYC will always remember kindly.

I just found you & now I’m binge watching your videos! Bravo 🙌

This remains a drama, the younger son's bitterness against a SOCIETAL NORM for the oldest to get the most.

Its quite evident in those days, Primogeniture was still the law. The eldest son gets the bulk of the estate Jon Jacob Senior was involved with a teenagaer. and he was 48 at the time. No child laws in those days

@Neversaynever64

6 ай бұрын

She was 18. Young but legal even today

@serahloeffelroberts9901

5 ай бұрын

Primogeniture was never the law in the USA.

@creolelady182

5 ай бұрын

wrong. In the south it was during the 1700's and into the early to mid 1800's@@serahloeffelroberts9901

@creolelady182

5 ай бұрын

not the age of consent in those days @@Neversaynever64

@Tornado1994

20 күн бұрын

@@Neversaynever64 Astor was fooling with her as early as 1909.

This was fascinating. Being a huge fan of the history of Titanic - I really enjoyed your research and storytelling. Thank you.

@TisHotMessHistory

6 ай бұрын

Thank you so much for your kind words, SisterSherry.

i am obsessed with your channel!! i love the way you present your videos, been binging all day 🙌🏻

It just goes to show you can't buy love or happiness no matter how much money you have

Ti 🥰🥰🥰, great as usual 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿. What a wonderful story to bring in the New Year. Thank you for your dedication to detail, what a work ethic that has to take.

@TisHotMessHistory

6 ай бұрын

Thank you so much, Darnell! I don't know how I missed your comment on this one. Thank you for appreciating my work. I worked all day on Christmas to get this one out. I'm going to work on tightening up my workflow for 2024. Happy New Year! I'll call you soon!

Wow, this was genuinely interesting and I loved your commentary. I've been on a Titanic kick lately and stumbled on your video while watching Tasting History with Max Miller. I'm glad I did. I'll definitely be checking out the previous videos. Looking through your videos, I can see a lot on people and subjects I'm not familiar with so I can't wait to watch them 😊

@lorrainem8234

6 ай бұрын

Max Miller has an excellent channel 😀

I love history so I was aware that Mrs. Astre was Pregent when she survived the sinking of the Titanic. But never was aware of what came after that. Thank you proves that often too, much money is the ticket to eventual moral/physical destruction, so to speak. Anyway, Jacki was a real brat and worse. Sad the 6th did nothing to improve the world. What a selfish human being.

@TisHotMessHistory

6 ай бұрын

Thank you so much for watching. I am just fascinated by the life stories of the Titanic passengers. Hopefully we can learn from their stories. Jakey was definitely selfish.

@TEM14411

6 ай бұрын

It isn't too much money that is the issue. It is people believing their worth/identity is attached to material goods. Have all you want in this world....just know we are all God's children and money doesn't make anyone more or less.

@alisonj9533

5 ай бұрын

The love of money is the problem not money itself.

Thank you for bringing history to life for us! ⚘️

THANK YOU for this. I cannot get enough of your Astor drama!

@TisHotMessHistory

6 ай бұрын

Thank YOU for watching! I'm working on a story that's similar to this one. It will be ready for you on Monday. It's not about an Astor, but someone who ran in Jakey's social circle. I'm SO glad that you like these. Thank you for letting me know.

@ambds1975

6 ай бұрын

I am watching my way through Lulu White's dramas while I wait! ♪

Love your channel Ti. This is a great story.

So glad I found your channel!! You are awesome!! Thank you for your work!

A very excellent video. Well done!!! Thank you for sharing!!!

Great doc. I got distracted by one of the newspaper ads for the Anti-Substitution League though. I guess grocers substituting one item for another was rampant at the time.

I love your tone of voice and your pace, the story itself is super interesting. I had to subscribe!

Excellent! Happy holidays to you & yours.

@TisHotMessHistory

6 ай бұрын

Thank you! Happy Holidays to you and yours as well.

I absolutely loved this, Ti!!! Wonderful!!!! And thank you!!!!

Does anyone know what the young wife inherited ?? As a baby with £3,000,000, surely this was invested until 18 or 21 ??

Our society seems to have a dim view of wealthy people, but most long to be wealthy themselves.

@TEM14411

6 ай бұрын

Oh the paradox of this world.....

This was great and you're so funny! Thanks for posting.

Just found your channel and love it! Apart from being extremely engaging, I love that you list your sources!