The REV Test: Budget SUVs. Dacia Duster vs Jeep Renegade vs Suzuki Vitara.
Автокөліктер мен көлік құралдары
Three Women, three cars. Which one wins?
Racing driver Vicki Butler-Henderson, Millennial Rachael Hogg, and mum Erin Baker (REV!) are testing three of the UK's most popular budget SUVs, based on how people search for them at Auto Trader.
They're looking at how easily they can fit into your lifestyle, covering practicality, connectivity, and ride and handling.
This week, it’s the turn of the Jeep Renegade, with its proper off-road ability, the value for money Dacia Duster, and the stylish Suzuki Vitara S.
Erin has to cope with the infamous ‘tea tray test’ this week… sorry Erin.
Which car will come out on top?
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You guys are the Heroic Trio of auto journalists, love it.
@MrBau007
5 жыл бұрын
Cause they're women huh😅
@crazypsychovirgoman6990
4 жыл бұрын
@@MrBau007 And what about it?
@Mr_Goodstart
3 жыл бұрын
Vicki was the best journalists. Shame she had to put up with the other two.
@jayceonbishop3861
2 жыл бұрын
sorry to be so off topic but does anybody know of a method to get back into an Instagram account?? I somehow forgot the password. I love any tips you can give me.
@alijahadonis5351
2 жыл бұрын
@Jayceon Bishop instablaster ;)
"Would you be happy with more inches?" made my day!
@CammieGee
5 жыл бұрын
MIne too LOL
@scratchy996
5 жыл бұрын
"...just asking". :)
@MrBau007
5 жыл бұрын
Original woman thinking 🤣
@severnside3145
2 жыл бұрын
Was Erin thinking about that when she said, "My legs are properly wet now." ?
@OggyGTA
Жыл бұрын
Sad cringey guys.
This is not the latest 2018 Duster!!! The new Duster is so much better!!!
@laurentiumocanu9828
3 жыл бұрын
Yes 😉😉😉
@mrstarbuck9212
2 жыл бұрын
I want to buy the new Duster but i m scared
@colors6692
2 жыл бұрын
They are for loser, poor people!
I saw with my eyes how duster swimmed across lake of mud and climbed to a mountain. If farmer happy about it, then I will be as well
Those seatbelt slots are for keeping the belts out of the way when you need to fold down the backrests.
@severnside3145
2 жыл бұрын
Those were on my 2004 Fiat Idea.
Why the old duster?!
@TheXenonLights
6 жыл бұрын
Because it is the best !
@dorian9350
6 жыл бұрын
Filippo Rindone yea i was wondering the sane thing the 2018 one looks much better outside and interiror is a lot more upmarket... Not really fair comparison
@connectorxp
6 жыл бұрын
Because UK is late at the game as Dacia needs to adapt the model to RHD.
@galia2843
4 жыл бұрын
@@jayd8743 They drive Daddy's car at best, lol.
@emilarpi345
4 жыл бұрын
Why, why, Obama?
The Duster is mostly Nissan qashqi underneath. The electrics are Nissan too, which has to be good. Except the battery which is Magnetti Morelli from Italy for some rewson. Maybe owned now by the Renault/Nissan/Mitsubishi alliance? Not sure. I have to declare an interest. I bought a new Duster at the beginning of 2016, not expensive and I was prepared to 'forgive' it quite a lot. Well, no need I'm pleased - and surprised - to say as after 55, 000 miles the only fault has been one headlight bulb; I changed that for £6.00 and 3 minutes to fit myself. A long time since I've been able to do that! I've had new Volvo SUV's, new VW's, an Audi A4, Alfa 159, a small Mercedes, numerous FIAT's, Peugeot and Citroën....and, with exception of the Alfa strangely enough, they've all had issues. As of yet the Duster does not have a single squeak or rattle from the hard plastics trim and nothing's come loose or fallen off. The aircon, satnav, cruise control all work well and pop it into 6th gear and the thing cruises beautifully. Economical too - 1.5 diesel from Renault, as fitted in the Qashqi etc. The only annoyance is that the rear window switch is in a position on the armrest in the doors where an elbow can too easily press it. But that's it really. Comfy, roomier than the Qashqi....and incredibly kind to its tyres, still plenty of tread. It's a comfy old wagon, far better than it has any right to be, made up of tried and tested bits n pieces. I'm guessing they'll not always be cheap and will eventually become to Renault what the original 'joke car' - Skoda - has become to VW; quality cars, no longer a joke and no longer cheap, just clones. I might just run this one into the ground; I love it for it's honesty and comfortable dependability.
@colinwhitley4167
5 жыл бұрын
hi just ordered my new duster 1600 essential cant wait to collect it
@colinwhitley4167
5 жыл бұрын
Loving my duster got 16 petrol essential perfect
@elizabethtaylor9321
5 жыл бұрын
Would you recommend one .
@elizabethtaylor9321
5 жыл бұрын
Colin Whitley I think this new 130 Tce is one to get .
@emmarowley1096
3 жыл бұрын
Good to hear as looking to buy one second hand. I was torn between the duster and the renegade but people have said too many electrical issues with the renegade so I will be looking at the dacia duster I'm sure it will fulfill all the tasks I will ask of it.
Suzuki will outlast the other two.
Those seat belt holds prevent the seat belts from snagging when you drop the seats down to create more boot space
Strange, Mat Watson at Carwow rates the Suzuki infotainment system as one of the best out there, practical, easy to use and responsive. Who are we to believe?
@bighes100
6 жыл бұрын
Stephen Powell Cos women and technology.....
@melondog82
5 жыл бұрын
Stephen Powell I've been looking for a comment regarding this, top man 👍 she sounds like she hasn't a clue very vague.
@aswinottapilavil495
5 жыл бұрын
Use a Suzuki infotainment system, and I can say that it's good. It's not great but it's good. It can be a bit laggy and the graphics looks a bit primitive (not pretty). But it's really easy to use and actually quite reliable, everything is big and easy to find. They can make it better looking and make it a bit more responsive but it's a good system to use everyday.
@W42PZ
2 жыл бұрын
It’s just a Bosch unit.
Jeep produces a car with cheap interior British journal moan cause it looks cheap, Jeep produces a car with a luxury interior British journalists moan cause it's not Jeep enough. Go figure...
Why did you use the OLD version of Duster against the Jeep and Suzuki ?
@beaviccoon470
3 жыл бұрын
Because it's too good to compare against the others😂😂
Well to be honest I'm not suprized that duster wins... Renault - and that's all. Simple, CHEAP, comfortable and universal. The new duster wins x10.
@tudorv7295
6 жыл бұрын
2018 Duster out,with more space,more options and more power.
@mihayy2000
6 жыл бұрын
yzzoarts keep in mind this is the OLD Duster without LED lights, 360 camera view, new dashboard, new seats, automatic gearbox etc
@erchachanfles
6 жыл бұрын
I just rented a duster 2017 and had to drive through offroad bumpy terrain and was more than amazed how well it handled and fun to drive through that terrain this duster is. I wish I could buy one in the USA .
@luckyura2
5 жыл бұрын
Duster is a machine for poverty
@yzzoarts
5 жыл бұрын
Great thinking. So it is for ~20% ppl - ...rest can't afford it xD
You CAN get the Jeep in petrol, with AWD and an 8.4” touchscreen. This year it gets a 1.3T petrol that produces 170hp and 271nm of torque!
@OggyGTA
Жыл бұрын
Or just get a diesel Trailhawk.
3 totally different cars for different purposes, for me based on looks an going away on camping trips an doing mountain biking the jeep renegade would be my pick straight away, stunning looking car i love it 😍🏴👌👍
Three different cars for different purposes. The best to drive in town is probably the Vitara, the best looking and with character is the Jeep but if you need the extra space and a proper off roader cheap to run that is the Duster. Unfortunately Dacia is the victim of an unexpected success since Renault Nissan Groupe wants to keep it as Cinderella to protect the sales of other models from the group. Particularly in the UK where competition is strong they decided not to offer automatics on any Dacia models.
Very good thanks
I know it's region dependent, but when you compare the spec etc, Vitara is the cheapest option. Jeep is the most refined, but it's not saying much, since all these cars are quite crude.
The steering wheels on the wrong side😵😜! Why you not testing the Duster, renegade und vitara 4x4??😕
The touch screen in the Vitara can feel odd to use at first because it isnt like a normal touch screen. It is designed to work even when you are wearing gloves so you have to press the screen more than you would normally expect.
I didn’t want to spoil your collectively nicely worked subtle name check by mentioning it...but it was a lovely surprise thank you 😊
@AutoTraderTV
6 жыл бұрын
We'll see if we can name check you some more ;-)
@MiniEggs1999
6 жыл бұрын
Feel free to ignore. Just a thought as you did it a little bit in this video. I appreciate you need structure to a short video to be able to get the information across in a clear and timely manner. I was thinking if you put a bit mote info in the first half it gives you a bit more wriggle room when you are all in the car to do what you do now but have time to comment on each others subjects or your general feelings on the car overall. In my view you are all multi dimensional so don’t constrain yourselves too tightly to specific subjects. Given your R4 630 humour I wondered if any of you listen to the podcast fortunately? I know they are older than you and an entertainment show is very different to car reviews but the way they talk so naturally like when there are no (few) men in the room is refreshing. I’m not suggesting you change loads just take a bit more advantage of your uniqueness of three women in a car reviewing it. www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p04x5pd7/episodes/downloads
Yessss! My "Black Touch" Duster wins the fight... 👊🏼
@emilarpi345
4 жыл бұрын
There was no fight yet. Suzuki was driven only in the sleep mode.
Funny and useful review as ever. You three are not badge snobs
My dad got one of these cars about several months now. I quite like it as the 1.5 dci felt quite punchy although when we was coming back from blackpool in our own cars he couldnt keep up with me on the motorway and i only got a 2004 suzuki liana 1.6 petrol with 167.000 miles so not exactly a new car either. The only problems my dad had with dacia was turbo failed. Had that repaired now warning comes on with no code ?? And wont delete even dacia said they cant shift it?? Which as upset him because car on has 45.000 miles on it. But car still drives good. Im thinking of the dacia sandero stepway
@OggyGTA
Жыл бұрын
Renaults in general have terrible diesel turbo problems.
@leethatsme1988
Жыл бұрын
@@OggyGTA the dacia failed. Huge electrical fault we think was the ecu, bought a juke 1.5 and that didnt last long either another major electrical fault after about a year. I still have suzuki not 184k miles and no issues. My dad now has nissan 1.4 petrol reliable engine but goes through more driveshafts than services.
HAHAHA the cups of tea is so funny, I have to leave a comment for that. 🙈🙉🙊
3:24 you wrote 1.5 petrol for the duster. It's a diesel engine. Not a biggy I know but just pointing it out. Another great video from the trio!
@AutoTraderTV
6 жыл бұрын
Hi CJ! You are completely right... we're really sorry about that. Slipped through the net. Thanks for letting us know. And we're really glad you enjoyed the video!!
@bighes100
6 жыл бұрын
It's a hybrid.....Petrodiesel
Why not compare the latest duster ?
@markwright3161
6 жыл бұрын
It's not been released here yet.
@Musicmedstudio
6 жыл бұрын
Mark Wright ; I saw the car on Dacia website, so I assumed it’s been released. My bad, sorry
@markwright3161
6 жыл бұрын
I've not seen it anywhere but I checked their UK website and I see what you mean. Could it be possible to spec and order a car before it's announced? I read a couple of other comments saying it wasn't in the UK yet because they hadn't produced a RHD version yet. I hadn't seen it anywhere so I spread the info. Seems like I might be wrong, though it could be that it wasn't used in the video as it wasn't available at the time of filming but is now.
@markwright3161
6 жыл бұрын
I've just found a video on KZread from yesterday mentioning the UK spec being released. Apologies.
Vikki is an absolute class above compared to these other two. Bin them, and just use her fantastic presenting skills.
I am on my second 1.5dci 4x4 Duster which tows my caravan, great car I cannot fault it. I also had a Vitara, that was also a good car but a lot more expensive for the same spec.
@NAKMUAYACADEMY
2 жыл бұрын
What's your opinion regarding duster / stepaway or Sandero? Which one is all in all the best ? As well manual or automatic?
Why didn't you use the new duster?
Win in this contest it may have but a 4x4 duster will give an much more expensive suv a run for its money, especially in bad/muddy conditions. Source: greenlaning and snow driving one for the past year
To bad for the UK seeming to get a US base Renegade. Does the UK get the better models of the Renegade like we have in the US like the Trailhawk version?
@jacobthompson8507
6 жыл бұрын
Chris Barr Yeah we do, just this is the base model. We get other models like Longtitude and the top of the range is called 'Deserthawk'
@markripley8029
6 жыл бұрын
We get the trailhawk too but a 2.0 diesel with 9 speed auto, not the 2.4 tigershark petrol engine the US gets.
@OggyGTA
5 жыл бұрын
@@markripley8029 and far better for it. At least the diesel has guts.
I would have preferred to see the boot capacity too.
@653j521
Жыл бұрын
Yes, a person does buy them to haul things besides humans. How easy, how flat, etc is it when used?
Hahahaah, the tea scene was hilarious
Suzuki is the clear winner. Its the most reliable which every motor "journalist" ignores.
Since the Video was flimed Jeep have revealed a facelifted Renegade and a facelifted Is also due soon. All three Models need upgrading to feature better materials and Infotainment systems
@tudorv7295
6 жыл бұрын
Jamie Pickles new Duster has just been launched,it's very nice,check it out.
@ninooooo2128
6 жыл бұрын
The new Renegade will have the Uconnect 8.4inch touch screen and some nice new styling. Definitely be swapping my current Renegade for it.
@alterateawful6709
5 жыл бұрын
Jamie Pickles dacia did the same with the 2018 and looks better than Jeep and has some features no car has
@OggyGTA
5 жыл бұрын
@@alterateawful6709 the Jeep is the only one here with an ounce of styling or charm.
Love that jacket Gulf etc
Ther is a 2018 dacia duster
@yzzoarts
6 жыл бұрын
Yes - a way better than old one :) and still CHEAP!
@tudorv7295
6 жыл бұрын
yzzoarts The most powerful engine on the new one is a 1.2 TCE petrol with 125hp.
@eemeli6706
6 жыл бұрын
Tudor Voicu in my country there is a 1.6 liter dacia duster
@cornelcon5267
5 жыл бұрын
hyökkäyshulilupteri maybe but is not turbo I guess. Which country?
@ventiadi1460
5 жыл бұрын
@@cornelcon5267 belgium
The best Duster you can buy is the the 4x4 model with the supersmooth TCe 125 hp engine.
@luckyura2
5 жыл бұрын
I'd rather walk than drive on such shit as Dacia
@victord8013
5 жыл бұрын
You can t afford a dacia so just walk
@luckyura2
5 жыл бұрын
daniel Victor Of course I can not afford this shit. I'm not so rich that I would buy shit ...
@luckyura2
5 жыл бұрын
darius I'll never buy this piece of shit, I enough Mercedes gle coupe
@alterateawful6709
5 жыл бұрын
Юрий Сычев i wish u good luck with your second hand mercs bmws and audis
Great concise and apposite comments, but no mention of the prices !? (except as a /mth payment, which mean little to me). Oh, those passing end comments, (repeated as well !!). Perhaps enuf said, huh !?
Why are they using the theme from Can't Pay We'll Take it Away?
@AutoTraderTV
5 жыл бұрын
It's just a coincidence. It's a stock music track so available for anyone to buy and use.
The JEEP RENEGADE IS AN SUV!
they should put the tea cups into the car's cup holders
I love the Duster 😁
I have a jeep Renegade (limited) and its perfect 👊😁👊
The 3star NCAP rating for Dacia is the result of the current rating procedures wich favour active electronic safety devices. Dacia lacks the electronic gizmos (lane departure alarm, brake assist radar etc.), so despite good crash protection it cannot get more than 3 stars.
@justdefacts
5 жыл бұрын
Good to know.
£350 is budget? Think you guys need to have a rethink about what is a budget price for most people! Under £200 would be more budget price for me!
It's not a head2head. The one you have is already more than 5years old, the new duster is so much better in every way.
U need to try new Duster 1.3tCe petrol engine 150HP.
@emilarpi345
4 жыл бұрын
No, I don't.
I'm really not sure what the tea tray test is supposed to prove.
@653j521
Жыл бұрын
Bumpiness of ride for your poor passenger. There used to be a commercial with a glass of some liquid, maybe champagne, surviving a ride down a rough city street. I don't remember the details.
DUSTER !!!
@luckyura2
5 жыл бұрын
I'd rather walk than drive on such shit as Dacia
Thats the old Duster from 2017
The suzuji surprisingly enjoyable to drive, come on Suzuki's always have a great Drive get a grip.
Checking the utility factor by taking cups of tea. lol.
Every episode has one or two "Below the belt" jokes. 😆😆
I have a renegade and it’s a really nice, comfortable car. Despite what Vicki says, there is acres of space in the front of the cabin. Beats audio is a plus and I have around 50.2 MPG average over the past 2 years of owning it. I would much rather it or the Suzuki over the unsafe Dacia.
@OggyGTA
5 жыл бұрын
I've got the Trailhawk version and it's a special car - really gets under your skin. Tried the Duster and it was downmarket ... sorry but you just can't spec one to match the Renegade's capabilities and quality levels although the 2018 looks to be an improvement.
@ninooooo2128
5 жыл бұрын
I’ve got a Renegade and although it is a small car there is so much space and the way the interior is designed it feels like your driving something much bigger. They’ve just brought out a new Renegade and it looks so nice!
@baisansebastian3358
5 жыл бұрын
Dacia Unsafe?For those outside of it,yea.
@Commentator541
5 жыл бұрын
Agreed. And it's not city braking or whatever, DACIA is missing STRUCTURAL integrity.
@Skelterification
5 жыл бұрын
The Duster its not unsafe. And if you call the Duster unsafe, how would you call the Ford Mustang? Stop being salty just cause the Duster is better than your Renegade.
3 cups of tea for every test ..yap they're British alright. :D
The Suzuki is clearly the best car here by a long mile.
I almost get the inpression from the comments that there is a new Duster, non?
@victord8013
5 жыл бұрын
Laurens O there is ,its already available in Romania , should be on uk too , and will receive a new 1.3 T engine with 130 hp
Renegade is my personal favorite
The 4wd Jeep rides better and the next trim level comes with more inches. My wife loves hers.
@OggyGTA
Жыл бұрын
Very true, the 1.6 diesel is the worst option, except it is good for economy.
Very Nice vedio 👍👍👌👌love from India.
@AutoTraderTV
6 жыл бұрын
Thanks Abir!
@abirmondal2321
6 жыл бұрын
Auto Trader Thanks.
@emilarpi345
4 жыл бұрын
Vedio killed the redio.
Which is best off-road?
@emilarpi345
4 жыл бұрын
Subaru
Um, there is a brand new infotainment in all FCA cars, so that 6.5" screen is NOT the best Jeep offers.
@OggyGTA
Жыл бұрын
It was the 5" in the video.
The vitara will be hardly broken in when the other two start falling apart.
@OggyGTA
Жыл бұрын
Haha, if only that were true!
Duster
...... But why old Duster instead new one ?
Just to point out that paticular jeep they were using wasn't even 4x4. The 2.0 is wayyy better
its impossible to not love Dacia for what it is .
The Jeep looks badass!
at 7:40 the charts show what really matters...chart says jeep is the only one with "proper off road ability"
Who would have three cups of tea in car on rough roads , you leave that for the motorway !
very nice review !!!
Power of the duster
Dacia is one of the few cars you can buy without a radio, so that's a win.
@emilarpi345
4 жыл бұрын
I bought several different cars, and no one asked me to have a radio with me.
So basically anyone buys a suv with capable of not flowing the tea out of cup
The woman in the back knows f*** all about Jeeps. Jeep Renegade is a Jeep. Especially the trailhawk
You gotta feel for Rachel’s boyfriend !!!
If you want a more Jeep, Jeep, should have gone for an off-road model. A Tough Mudder or Trailhawk would be much better.
I really wouldn't call any of these cars "SUV" - they are more likely to be called "Crossovers". Furthermore, the Suzuki is the only one of these cars with four wheel drive, whch puts it in a different league compared to the other two models.
@653j521
Жыл бұрын
They all were too different for a close comparison but you can get the idea what you want to explore further.
In India Dacia duster is Renault duster I owned 110 bhp 6gear diesal since 2016 no issues till now periodic brake pads change at 30 thousand km ride is equelent to German beemers engine is superb economy and effeciancy best in class only issue is use of very soft steel in body and only 3 star in euro ncp
@slava_trushkin
5 жыл бұрын
But its new. How often do you see 10+ years old Renault cars on streets? I don't remember last time I saw one. Even in France they are rare compared to old Peugeot/Citroen cars. Yet they used to be popular decade ago as well. Swap it for much more reliable Suzuki while you can. All cars work well for first few years (unless you get really unlucky), what happens after that is what matters.
i love duster4wd
Great comparison thanks girls
@VehicleValhalla
6 жыл бұрын
Robert Lloyd I made a comparison video about cars: Formula 1 vs Formula E: How do they compare? kzread.info/dash/bejne/f2uCt6aFgNO_ibg.html Do you like it?
Duster doesn't have galvanized body! Only 6 years anticorossion warranty!
Love these kind of reviews where the people interact with each other Jokes and having fun Though would be more fun where they all "brought the car to the test" and they defend their cars while finding flaws on the other cars
Good job, Dacia Duster! So proud of you! (Yes, I'm Romanian) :D
I feel sorry for the person who has to clean the seats after the tea spills.
Jeep renegade looks osm but wn its launching in india
VBH a racing driver, when?
Apart from the Dacia’s cheap price the Jeep is the best especially the new facelifted model they are bringing out which I will be swapping mine for. The Jeep Compass is also very good my dad just swapped his Suzuki Vitara S for one and it’s so much better, the build quality, infotainment system and everything else is better on the Jeep.
@cainelup5970
5 жыл бұрын
Jeep Compass it is Fiat 500 based. Have a great day.
@ninooooo2128
5 жыл бұрын
Dominic Cristi why does it matter what it is based on? Just because it shares the same platform as the 500x doesn’t mean it is one. And it shares all of Jeeps equipment including their 4 wheel drive systems. So I’m not really sure what your point is. It’s like saying that a swan is the same as a pigeon because they both have the same looking feet. It just doesn’t make sense.
@mrlooneycooney8948
5 жыл бұрын
@@cainelup5970 you haven't got a clue , have you? Maybe first drive the cars, before just giving idiot comments.
@Mrnameless-
2 жыл бұрын
@@cainelup5970 Yeah? Go and check the price difference between the Fiat and Jeep....see which one you can afford.
@OggyGTA
Жыл бұрын
@@cainelup5970 The Jeep shares a platform with the Fiat 500L/X ... nothing like the standard smaller 500. But you show me where they are similar side by side.
7:13 ..that question is .. thug life material.
istn this the old daia?
@markwright3161
6 жыл бұрын
UK doesn't have the new one yet.
@Daniel-dj7fh
6 жыл бұрын
saaad, it looks really nice and is supposed to drive better
@markwright3161
6 жыл бұрын
Apologies. After looking it is now available, possibly just this week as I could only find one video here on KZread and it was only uploaded yesterday.
Dacia Duster stilish? Well the problem of this test is the incompetence of the tester.
Maybe get a trail hawk next time to moisten your appetite .
@Ubinnhad
6 жыл бұрын
Moist is good
1.5 litre petrol? ...i
The lady in the back seat says shes never seen the belt-hook before yet shes a car jounalist? What shit did I just watch.. Please just give Vicky a ferrari and a track!
The way she talks about the touch screen of the Renegade will make women have a field day.
Great info and video but the use of tea tray was derivative and cheesy.
"Stylish and high quality" -Dacia Duster. OMG XD FRIKIN ROMANIAN BUDGET NON-CAR GUY CAR
THREE star EuroNCAP rating... let that sink in for a moment.
@OggyGTA
Жыл бұрын
5 star under the old rating, so let that sink in.
@JustifyJustin
Жыл бұрын
@@OggyGTA The Duster never achieved a 5 star under any rating regime. It is a three star (old NCAP) rating vehicle that has been cosmetically updated. I've spoken to a Renault/Dacia sales person and they concede the fact. Capable, sure. But safe? Well I guess safer than a first generation Cherry. Car Buyer says the following too, which confirms the information I have: " Safety: The Duster only received three stars in Euro NCAP crash tests when it was originally tested - a disappointing result for an SUV, as most cars in this class get the maximum five stars. It has since been re-tested and while it retained its three-star rating, the scores it received in specific areas were a little lower. In 2017's retest, the Duster was rated at 71% for adult occupancy protection and 66% for how it looked after children in a crash. These lower scores haven't been assigned because the Dacia isn't as safe as it once was - it's because standards have become more stringent since it first went on sale."