Very informative. Great review.

@MTMind2 Happy new year! And i wish you luck on finding that "Wow" game!

@pier456 - The article says 4 players at once with ONE Move controller each. Quote "FOUR PlayStation Move controllers can connect to a PS3 at one time (OR two PlayStation Move Controllers and 2 PlayStation Move sub-controllers". So that's FOUR Move controllers in total (either wand or subcontroller) divided up by the number of players, so you can only play 4 player if each player has one wand each. If a two wands or a subcontroller is needed, then only two players can player at once.

Cool review! Keep it up =D

@pier456 - I have said Move can support 4 players at the same time from the beginning! Not once did I say it couldn't. The point I have been making (and you have been ignoring) is that it can only do so if the game only needs ONE Move controller per player. FACT! If a game needs you to have two Move controllers or a Move controller and a nav controller, then only 2 players at a time can play. So do YOU get it? Hence the list of 'OPTIONS' I gave at the beginning is correct, and you know it is.

@pier456 - Sorry, just noticed that link is corrupted if you cut and paste, hence it's; /watch?v=-8S576_ML4U At the start it's waiting for no. 2 to raise both his hands to start tracking. At 3:08, a 3rd person is seen as no. 1 or 4 depending on position, and it's waiting for him to raise both hands to start tracking (he only raises 1). Games currently support 2 active because of CPU constraints for FULL skeletal tracking (20 points each = 40 points), but 40 points can track the upper body of 4.

Btw, I'm posting this from my work PC (rather quiet right now due to Christmas this week), but I have to get back to work now and may not be back for a while. So ijust in case I don't return for a while, thank's very much for making this an enjoyable conversation, have a great Christmas, have a happy New Year and happy gaming. :-D

The Kinect is a one hit wonder for Christmas philanthropists!!

"Sony has confirmed that the recently unveiled PlayStation Move game controller can support up to four players with full configuration on PlayStation 3 console, as reported by Gizmodo That means four Move controllers can be connected or two pairs of Move controller with Subcontroller can be connected to PS3. This means four players can enjoy the Move controller based or supporting titles at the same time." Another quote...

Now all I need is to find the opportunity to give Move as much time as I've had with Kinect this christmas. I've tried Move in shops and it was good, but the problem there is the environment, it's all wrong (noisy, people watching, people waiting their turn, people wandering about, limited time, shop assistants etc), and so I couldn't relax and enjoy it in the way I could at a friend's home. Hopefully soon. :)

@ironheartbj18 - Kinect is not designed to play games like CoD on it's own, even MS have said this. However, Kinect works with the 360 controller, therefore there are a number of 'hybrid' 360 games in development that uses the 360 controller as normal, but adds extra features for those with Kinect, which may include things like head tracking, gesture/voice commands, special melee attacks, user interface control etc. We'll see what ideas the devs come up with. :)

does the kinect really capture your movement, because with the wii you move like an inch and it works does kinect need more movement???? thanks

"The actual number of players supported depends on the game you are playing. Many PlayStation Move titles support anywhere from 1 to 4 players with many options for gameplay, including single player, pass-and-play multiplayer, competitive, or co-op modes. The PS3 system supports up to seven devices, of which up to four of those devices can be PlayStation Move motion controllers."

does the kinect play regular xbox 360 games with the regular controller also? And does the Move play regular ps3 games aswell as movement games?

Correction: Not this weekend gone, I meant the weekend before (at the VGA awards). Imo, announcing a Gears of War Kinect game at those awards was a strategy to show that, in addition to Forza, Kinect is being used for hardcore genres. However, with Kinect selling SO well, that strategy has changed, with MS aggressively focussing only on the 'Wii consumers' for this Christmas, and after that when sales inevitably fall, they can start showing what Kinect offers hardcore genres. We'll see.

@saantinoo I wasn't specific, sorry. I was talking about the move (5 years), not the fail eye toy.

@MrNate3333 - PS. Sorry about the typos, I only seem to notice them AFTER I post. :) Going back to Kinect, it uses tried and tested off the shelf components, which helps to keep the cost down but doesn't save on space. If Kinect had been Sony's product, then being a hardware manufacture, Sony could have designed custom processors which does many of the tasks needed, and so it probably would have been about half the width, but perhaps a little deeper (would still need space for a cooling fan).

Kinect Star Wars- If you watch carefully, the guy playing star wars reacted after the character turned his light saber on. Thus he was just an actor. There is a definite lag in all the other games

Well you got that one wrong...I believe the Kinect is the fastest selling technology device ever

@MTMind2 I said 4 in a take turn kind of way. Only 2 can actually play at the same item vs 4 on the move... 7 is for take turn play. Move can support 4 people playing at once.

@TGReviews101 well what i mean is how do you turn the guy around how does that work

@TGReviews101 well eplain this how do you play shooters or like any gamees other then party games on the knict

@MTMind2 If your mainly using a regular gaming controller. Whats the point in buying a kinect?

@SadisticReviews lol, i know right? Which 1 did u buy first?

@pier456 - Also, I forgot to add.... that was a good question. Thanks. :)

@MrNate3333 - PSEye is VERY good webcam. Kinect has a webcam and an InfraRed camera and an IR emmiter. It also has onboard processors, to process the IR pattern projected into the room which it uses to work out the distance of each pixel and links it to the webcam image. It also processes sound, filtering out background noise to enhance our voices and to identify who is spoke within the room. Hence the larger size. Kinect needs a few feet more space than Move and graphics depends on the game :)

I must say, Kinect is really useful when I'm lazy and want to go through the menu but that's it. If I want a motion sensor thing, I'd go with the one with more games and you all know what I'm talking about

I think the PS3 and the 360 have it right where if you get bored of exercising your body for gaming you can easily sit back down, grab a traditional controller, and play something else.

Contrast this with the Wiimote where the numchuck plugs into the Wiimote and therefore becomes one unit, and hence the latest game GoldenEye supports 4 player splitscreen with each player holding a Wiimote with MotionPlus and the numchuck. ALL the motion controllers have their pros and cons. So going back to Kinect, that 2 player 'limit' is for full body tracking, for upper body or hands only, more than 2 players is possible, but yes no 4 active player games have been announced....... yet. :)

Who wins in the end?(i'm italian and don't understand it)

@XXSteadfastXX The 3 yr warranty isn’t for the new ones. How long have you had Kinect and how is it working for you?

@TheNordbjerg I agree,and thats proabably the cheaper way aswell. P.S Who do you Program for.

@MTMind2 i said 2 active players... SO why does the article say 4 players at once?

@pier456 gamespot talks about it. Starter bundles will have a game, the PS Eye, and a Move controller will be available for under $100.

I have no idea which is better.. I want to buy a kinect but i'm not sure if its good. So can anyone tell me which is better? kinect or wii I have a xbox 360 so im not sure

wow! he went from gangster to geekster within 14 seconds

@cookiewaa - We'll see. As I said in an earlier post here about a week ago, hardcore genres will use the 360 controller as normal with Kinect being used to add EXTRA features, not neccessarily to replace the controller but to add something new to the game. Kinect's connection with Gears of War was due to be announced this weekend, but at the last moment MS delayed it until 2011. Until that announcement, there's no Kinect in GoW3, but there are plans for a Kinect GoW game, which won't be casual.

Kinect sold 8 million units, thats some great news!

the wii doesn't use a bluetooth connection, it uses infrared with the wii sensor bar. The dualshock 3 and playstation move controlers are the only controllers that use bluetooth

@cookiewaa - You may go 'pew pew pew pew' when you're playing a shooting game with a standard console controller, but I'm sure most other gamers don't. :)

@monmon29monmon - How much fun you have really comes down to the game itself, your personal preference and even where you are, the mood you're in and (if you're not alone) the friends and family you're with at the time. Hence I had a lot of fun with Kinect this xmas when I tried it for the first time with my nephews (Kinect Sports). There wasn't one moment when I thought "I wish this was slightly more accurate" or "I wish there was less lag", instead we were laughing and enjoying the games. :)

@SadisticReviews so what system do u hav? ps3 right?

@MTMind2 I know you went by the other link most likely. The date ws in march 2010 i believe the other was in sept 2010 which is the one i am using. Which is why i posted that one. What i said is what i quoted from the article...

@LuckySeven91 so if you cant go on live then whats the point having xbox

And likewise on topic. Can Kinect support up to 4 players AT THE SAME TIME. Answer - IT CAN. If the game is only tracking your upper body or just your hands. It ranges from 1-4. YOU GET IT?

@jaggerjackize Yh but how are they are going to do shooting games cuz all they got is kinect sports and sum adventure games but how do you think they're going to pull it off with MW3

@pier456 - So again, GoldenEye supports 4 player splitscreen with each player holding a Wiimote with MotionPlus and the numchuck. This cannot be done with Move for a PS3 FPS, because Move support for each player requires the Move controller and a nav controller, hence the maximum would be 2 player splitscreen. I'm not putting Move down, I'm just establishing the pros and cons, however you seem to be only interested in the pros whilst pretending the cons don't exist.

it's funny that even though the wii is the new kid on the block the ps3 and xbox 360 are new borns with motion controls

@MTMind2 Again isn't the topic about whether Move can support 4 players at once? It's not about whether 4 players can play at once using subcontrollers etc. as well...

Hence I will repeat the list I provided earlier for the maximum number of simultaneous players using Move; . 1 Move controller each = Up to 4 players 2 Move controllers each = Up to 2 players 1 Move controller + 1 subcontroller each = Up to 2 players . Now if you disagree with that list, say EXACTLY where it's wrong, give YOUR maximum number of players at once for each combination of Move controller. Hence as the saying goes...you should either put up or shut up. :)

@Minato502 I just found out the move isn't a console. It's an attachment for the ps3 that you need the ps3 to use so the move doesn't play those games but the ps3 does

@warior5999 - I expect there will be a Kinect 2, but that's likely to be part of the next-gen XBox, just like Move 2 is likely to be part of the next-gen Playstation.

@TGReviews101 what about if youre playing a skate borad game or combat game like mortal combat. will you acyalty have to do does high jumps back flips and all.

@MrNate3333 - I said a few feet MORE than PSMove, not just a few feet, hence it's about 6 feet for one player, and about 8 feet for two. For launch, Kinect is targetting the casual (Wii) audience, hence the graphics but also the massive sales. Games like Forza 4, a Kinect Gears of War game, Child of Eden, Project Draco and many to be announced are not based around avatars and hence expect excellent 'core' graphics. As for your space - That's life, it makes no difference to millions of others :)

@omgbannanaful How do you figure? It has 1 camera.

@ibbyahmad You gotta be really old to see the days of the Activator. Although it is sort of motion gaming, the Activator is more like a humongous controller which takes advantage of infrared beams but the Kinect and Eyetoy uses camera. I do agree however, they come about from the same concept of trying to let the player be the controller. Thanks for reminding me about the Activator, I totally had forgotten about it.

@sdial17 - Neither are copies or totally original :). Kinect is basically an enhanced EyeToy, where it tracks people in 3D, compared to 2D with EyeToy, and Move is an enhanced Wiimote, where it offers overall better accuracy than the Wii. Technology is about progress, where most new technology is based upon improvements to older technology, hence making it faster, cheaper, better etc.

as it was said in the video, one can use real world objects such as skateboards, sticks, guns, etc. in the combination with Kinekt. When using the Sony's Move controller, one is limited only to the controller types that Sony provides. Considering the facts discussed in this video, I would prefer Kinect!

@pier456 - Didn't you watch the video to the end? Kinect tracks 4 players simultaneously, i.e. 4 players at once. Hence it's not a hardware restriction, it's a game CHOICE. Just because the launch games are currently only two player doesn't mean it's restricted to 2 players at once. From what I've seen (and I may be wrong), none of the Move launch games supports more than 2 players at once either, hence by that logic, Move only supports up to 2 players. Can't you see how wrong that logic is?

@cookiewaa - They wouldn't make them like that except in a casual/party game or as a special 'fun' mode within a game. Again, as MS have said, Kinect is not there to replace the controller in FPSs, the 360 controller will be used for such games, but Kinect can be used to ADD extra features. GT5 uses PSEye for head tracking, you don't HAVE to use it, it's there as an OPTION. Kinect will be used the same way, but being a 3D cam offers far more possibilities. Surely you can think of some others? :)

@PoppycockGaming if u didn't notice, kinect has quite a few more games than slapping a rubber ball around, and a lot of them are the same games for move. The difference: you're the controller rather than using a glorified wiimote for the ps3...

Actually Nintendo was using motion controls since the NES Nintendo power glove they had other motion controls but that was a big one

@TheFunnyGuy365 Thank you.

@cookiewaa - Fake demos or not, all conference demos were played by reporters (and some by gamers) during E3, and now Kinect is reviewed and in people's homes and seems to have lived up to the hype. Move was difficult to find at first and probably was more difficult in some countries than others, and sales of Move are very good, but it does seem that sales of Kinect are even better (all reports appear to confirm this), and this was said before MS released their figures. Let's see after Xmas :)

I love how anti Nintendo guys say the Wii has crappy games, and yet they're really no different than Kinect and Move games.

I prefer Move because there is no lag while using it. If Kinect had less lag/movement delay it would be good aswell. I would also like to say that I am a copy of my Father, and my Father is a copy of his grandfather.

@PoppycockGaming I know but it didn't have the controllers and i don't mind who made it first, i just like all the consoles, all of them have a lot of great games

@1996bonny - The problem is, yes you can play FPSs like KZ3 with Move, but I'm interested in how Move and Kinect enhances gameplay by offering something we can't do (or do well) with controller, I'm not interested in how they do what a controller already does well. As MAG gamers have found, Move isn't better or worse than DS3 for FPSs, it's just different and so it's about preference. I can play KZ3 with DS3, so why do I need Move? But I can't play Tumble with DS3, so THAT'S a reason for Move.

PlayStation Move: The Ultimate FAQ - PlayStation Blog

@pier456 - I can only assume you don't understand much about technology then (no disrespect meant). Your quote is "The PS3 system supports up to seven devices, of which up to FOUR of those devices can be PlayStation Move motion controllers". Does that not clearly say you can have up to 4 Playstation Move controllers? The navigation controller counts as one of those four controllers, therefore with only 4 Move controllers supported, you can only play 4 player with one Move controller each.

@GhibliFan1 I never said the Wii was better than the move. I was just proving the fact that Nintendo came out with the first "motion gaming".

1- Move 2- Move 3- Move

@pier456 - "That means four Move controllers can be connected or two pairs of Move controller with Subcontroller can be connected to PS3." Don't you read what you quote, it says "Or TWO pairs of Move controller with subcontroller", so that's 2 players where each have a Move controller and a subcontroller (4 DEVICES). For 4 player, as I've said many times already, it's ONE MOVE CONTROLLER EACH. It's not rocket science, try understanding what you read before you comment on it.

@pier456 - Except the one from September says the same thing :) Yes it says 1 to 4 players, but you appear to have decided that it means 1 to 4 players in ANY configuration, and so I'm establishing the fact that they also say 4 Move controllers is the maximum, therefore it's 4 Move controllers shared amongst those players, and so if you have 4 players, no player can use a subcontroller and neither can any player use two wands. I'm not attacking Move, I'm just identifying the pros and cons.

My only complaint with the new systems is that you need space to do them. You need at least 6 feet for the Kinect view your whole body. Therefore, it worth having if you stay in a dorm or have a small room. Hey does anyone know how many people can be on the Kinect at one time?

@lookanddie1 - The older XBox models have always had red ring problems, so the fact that someone tries Kinect and gets a RROD is just coincidence, just as it would be if they got a RROD after playing a new game or wearing a new item of clothing :) The reaction time, or lag, is about 1/5th sec for full body tracking, & about the same as Move if tracking hands only (about 1/8th second). So even Move is not lag free, the Wiimote with motion plus lags less for pointing (but Move is better overall).

Alright so on topic. Can Move support up to 4 players AT THE SAME TIME. Answer - IT CAN. Depending on the game and the setup. It ranges from 1-4. YOU GET IT?

@MrNate3333 - Agreed, and happy new year! I wish you all the best for 2011, which (thanks to Move and Kinect) I think is going to be one of the most interesting and exciting years of this gen so far. They have injected new life into this gen just as it was getting old. For me, I have neither Kinect nor Move, since although they both have great potential, I'm waiting for a game that makes me say to myself "Wow, that's incredible, I MUST buy Kinect/Move to play that game". I hope it happens soon.

RGB camera, a depth projector, and depth sensor. i beleive, correct me if im wrong.

playstation: i have an idea! lets copy the wii but put crappy colour changing spheres ontop of our remotes!

@pier456 another bundle is PlayStation Move motion controller, PlayStation Eye Camera, Sports Champions Blu-ray game and PlayStation Move game demo disc and i believe a 320gb ps3 for 399.

@IHABC8 thats bcuz u either don't have enough space for the kinect to work or u just skipped the kinect tutorial,i tried to skip and it said that i might hav probs if i skip its tutorial,so i didn't skip it and its awsome.

wich is better? wii or kinet?

yes and it keeps you fit its like going out side without the sun T_T

From what I've heard from friends, kinect is the way to go...

Thumbs up for Kinect

I don't know a lot about both but I can say that Kinect has no controllers, it is for fun and casual gaming, and parties (4-8 people). The move has a pretty nice controller(s), has games for "real gamers", but it is also good for parties. The Wii, well... um um

The future is here o.o

31 people would rather pet tigers than have swordfight.

@pier456 - I thought I'd search the net to confirm my point about the navigation controller, since you're still unconvinced, and I found the following FAQ; Google: 'PlayStation Move FAQ Caleb Cox', and click on the first or second link listed. Quote "...you'll only be able to connect four of them to the PS3 at once. That's four devices - a motion controller and a navigation controller count as TWO devices, not one as is the case with the Wii.." Hence it's exactly as I've stated in my posts.

@MTMind2 The topic is about whether Move can have 4 players play at the SAME TIME. IT CAN. Depending on the setup YOU WANT. And WHAT TYPE OF GAME YOU ARE PLAYING. All you are doing is pointing out other setups.

@MTMind2 Your point is the most valid Ive read on here. People may may boast how great the Kinect is (and technically it is). However theres no games yet worth buying. No golf/tennis/decent shooters. Thats why I wont buy one now. It maybe a turkey if the games dont appear. Actually to those on here that say the Kinect is the cheaper option, Id like to add Ill have to buy a bigger house or knock a wall down in the lounge, you need a lot of room and I really cant be arsed to move the whole room.

@pier456 - And why have you overlooked the line "of which up to FOUR of those devices can be PlayStation Move motion controllers". Again, that's a max. of 4 Move controllers per PS3 at once. So now that we've established a maximum of 4 Move controllers are supported at once, here are the possible options for games; 1 Move controller each = Up to 4 players 2 Move controllers each = Up to 2 players 1 Move controller + 1 subcontroller each = Up to 2 players. Do point out where that's wrong :)

@cookiewaa - Likewise after Forza 4, Gears of War and other so-called 'hybrid' core 360 games that use both the 360 controller and Kinect. ;-)

@PoppycockGaming The 2011 lineup for kinect is going to redefine gaming, eventually you will find buttons are not always necessary. The wii was the start of something revolutionary in gaming. Move mirrored that, Kinect expanded on it. I will admit that i could never throw the controller away, the controller is videogaming, but in the competition for new technology in immersive gaming, kinect is easily ahead of the game.

kinect is the future of gaming..

You can have different combo's i know it but like they said "THAT MEANS 4 MOVE CONTROLLERS CAN BE CONNECTED. WHICH MEANS FOUR PLAYERS CAN ENJOY THE MOVE CONTROLLER BASED OR SUPPORTING TITLES AT THE SAME TIME. you get it? SAME TIME. Not turn by turn play SAME TIME.

old-school nintendo FTW

@pier456 - Simple answer, for the games. :-) Kinect on it's own is mostly suited to casual games, however if some of the 360 hybrid games turn out to be great, that is, if the addition of Kinect adds greatly to the game, then hardcore gamers may be tempted to buy it. I don't know how good these hybrid games will be, no-one does, I don't know how much Kinect will add to the gaming experience, again no-one does, but the potential is there, therefore let's wait and see what happens.

play a fighting game or table tennis on both xbox kinect and ps3 move. And you'll see its fun not to have a controlle with kinect but its much more fun when every single detail of ur move appears on the game