Twins Fan here…Polanco is that “Glue Guy” every club needs. Great in the clubhouse, seems to get that game changing hit pretty often. His stats are good but he is so so so much more than his stats. The twins only traded him because we have some younger players who need to be in the lineup…if they were not ready to go he never would have been traded

@FatherFirst

5 ай бұрын

From a distance you could tell he was a glue guy for the Twins. I'm really excited we got him in Seattle. Hopefully the trade helps both teams achieve their goals in 2024.

Topa is 32 and has a single good season in MLB. DeSclafani is a 5th starter getting paid $12M. So those two aren't worth alot. 3rd prospect for Polanco seems fair for 2 years of Polanco (team option 2025). Polanco, Garver, Haniger, Raley is better than Suarez, Teoscar, Kelenic, Ford, Cabellero.

@armychowmein8021

5 ай бұрын

Paying the remaining 6 mil due Desclafani, plus an additional cash consideration means between Haniger, Garver, and Polanco, the Ms have spent nearly 50 mil... on 3 guys that averaged less than "54%" of games played.

@honchosayso

5 ай бұрын

Do you even know what you’re talking about? it’s the same type of players on both groups you named. The second group, however can actually stay healthy. Garver, haniger and Jorge are always hurt. They all strikeout a lot. Kelenic and teo will go off next season being in actual lineup’s that can hit.

@Scoobfantastic93

5 ай бұрын

​@@honchosaysokelenic had a good first month and then the league threw him anything except fastballs and he looked really bad. His attitude was a detriment to the team, other players were having to focus on calming him down instead of focusing on the game, Polanco doesn't have an injury history throughout his career until recently, Garver is going to be a DH instead of a catcher so in theory that should really help him stay healthy. Haniger is boom or bust, so who knows what he does this year 🤷‍♂️

@joelab9222

5 ай бұрын

I agree with you, Coop. This is a better team than it was last year by quite a bit. When the season starts, Tommy LaStella will not be the Mariners’ DH.

As a Twins fan who has watched him for years, I'm sad to see him go. His D has been WAY better since switching to second and dude has put in the best AB's of any Twin for years.

As long as the chemistry gels, this team is gonna rock. I'm so happy, Haniger is back! Go M's!

People griping about losing Topa when the return is an everyday 2B is baffling to me.

@420gzuz

5 ай бұрын

topa was one of those pleasant surprises. easy come easy go. great arm, wish him the best with his career.

@420gzuz

5 ай бұрын

the key is topa has trade value now at 32 for the first time in recent history

@mitchellhopkins9331

5 ай бұрын

It’s topa plus the top 100 prospects plus cash and starting depth for me. If they got one other smaller piece back I would have been happy. Because we know the M’s won’t spend to fill in those wholes. But I agree getting Polanco is worth a bullpen arm.

Polanco is a very underrated hitter. He'll carry your entire offense for stretches of the season. Y'all are gonna love him. Good clubhouse guy also. Not quite the fielder he was a few years ago but he's always been pretty athletic.

@420gzuz

5 ай бұрын

thanks for the insight, poop!

Pretty dang cool. We got better at DH and 2B, two things fans were screaming for when the offseason began. I'm still a little worried about OF with Haniger's health track record, but Canzone as a 4 isn't the worst. And we keep our SP rotation intact. 3B is the biggest ? going into the season, but the M's like to have some flexibility in lineup construction and a platoon there gives them that. Was it the splashiest offseason? Nope. But this team def got better on paper. Let's see how it plays out on the field.

@sadmarinersfan8935

5 ай бұрын

My big worry is that the defense is going to be kinda bad

CoopMauKona is right. This years upcoming lineup looks stronger. While Suarez is a deservedly popular player, the facts are he hit only 22 home runs last year and will be 33 in the middle of this upcoming season. Kelenic had multiple chances to prove himself. Teoscar was a mild disapointment and not worth to the M's what other teams would pay. Cabellero with his high on base percentage , speed on the base paths, along with above average defense could be one sorely missed. While Raley last year had more strikeouts than hits and walks combined, his minor league record indicates a strong potential for improvement.

Congratulations on 10k!!!

I don't mind the trade but you can't argue that you also have a lineup with serious injury concerns due to past history. Jerry is playing with fire here and may lose big time if these bats see significant time on the DL with Garver (back)/Haniger (entire brittle body)/Raley/Polanco (hamstring)/France (the home plate target).

@williamcooke6056

5 ай бұрын

I'm loving 3 switch hitters with J.P., Cal, and Jorge. Looking closer at his injury history, it doesn't seem as bad as it did to me initially. And unlike most switch hitters, Polanco is consistant from either side, and he has some pop in his bat. This lineup is now much harder to shut down than it was last year.

@honchosayso

5 ай бұрын

lol “home plate target”

@SeriesDT

5 ай бұрын

@williamcooke6056 J.P. isn't a switch, he's a lefty hitter

Congrats on 10K 🎉🎉🎉

@MarinerMojoOfficial

5 ай бұрын

Thank you!!! ❤️❤️

Whelp, we got our Topa replacement. Who is younger and better than Topa. Jerry and co have had a plan in place after ownership sunk their sales, and they've taken lemons and made lemonade with it. This team just got significantly better. Is it good enough to compete with Houston and Texas will remain to be seen. But I think it's a really good start. If we could somehow get Bellinger to Seattle without trading any of our starting pitchers would be the cherry on top. I know that's not likely to happen, and I'm super happy to have Haniger back. But I hope we get a Mitch Haniger who can stay healthy all year and hit 30 hr for us. None the less he is a huge glue guy so I'm really happy he's back home. I'm excited for the season to start!!!!

I like the trade.... Congrats on 10K, well deserved.... Thanks!

Jorge Polanco’s greatest attributes are that he plays through pain, a real gamer and that he was the best clutch hitter the Twins had for the last 10 years.

Honestly I'm actually rather liking the line up. Now do I consider each player in the line up to all be All Star Caliber as they are right now? No, I do not. But what I do think is that this line up has a lot of untapped potential that you aren't gonna necessarily see in the stats and I believe that with the versatility and competition of the line up that it could unlock that potential and create an All Star Caliber team that is World Series bound. Obviously a lot of things are gonna have to go right and hopefully a lot of things don't go wrong. It's easy to feel like it's all doom and gloom when you got 20 years of doom and gloom. But that shit ended in 2022. 2023 was a disappointing season but it was NOT a bad season. Keep in mind we had a better record than the Diamondbacks and they went to the World Series. Either way none of that matters because it's not 2002 to 2021, it's not 2022, it's not 2023. It's 2024. The past is gone. It's history. We are in the future. The future is now. The Future is Mariners. Mariner Moe Mentum!

This was a sick trade! Looking forward to the season.

Congrats on 10k

@MarinerMojoOfficial

5 ай бұрын

Thank you so much 😀

Y’all rock. Best mariners content for sure

This team definitely looks better in my opinion. Starting pitching should improve, and offense on paper looks better than last years opening day roster as well. For people saying players like Teo and/or Kelenic will go off for another team.... Good for them! They didnt for the Mariners, and thats why they no longer play for the Mariners.

Canzone in left. But yes better now just lots of ifs still. JP can’t regress, Haniger needs to contribute, 3B and 1B hopefully something. Raley has to perform in a more prominent role. Ty struggles I would see Raley playing there. I hope Bliss kills it in Spring forces the issue and make the roster.

Twins fan here, I like this trade. Polonco is a good second baseman nothing special at the plate. Fights through injuries that he probably shouldn’t, think it was good for the twins to move on before he has no value in a couple of years

Polo is my current favorite mlb player though Willie Castro will soon pass him. Polo is just a great player to be able drop at the top of an order. He hits well from both sides. Fields well at 2nd. He was with us through some real down seasons. I'll miss him and now be a touch more of an M's fan. Got Garver too. Fun team

They were supposed to better last year with Wong at 2nd. Similar deal with a few good years before he got to Seattle. Hopefully this works better, as I am one of the people that think they gave up too much for him.

@americastuff5147

5 ай бұрын

I think we are all a little pessimistic after what Wong and Frazier put us through at 2B

@bohead01

5 ай бұрын

@americastuff5147 kinda hard to not be at least 54% pessimistic eh?

No debate, if everything works out as intended, this is a solid addition. But that's a big if. They add Polanco to what is already an assortment of injury plagued players, combining for 228 games in 2023, while they traded away 427 games in Suarez, Teo and Kelenic. Polanco had multiple injuries in 2023, and missed the last 37 games in 2022. He is clearly getting on the wrong side of health, fast. As with Wong, the crucial question is: did he want to be traded, does he want to play in the PNW? If not, will he do his best or make the business decision to fully recover, making himself unattractive for the 2025 club option and then entering FA? Considering the Twins were clearly keen to shed payroll, the price has just been to high. According to Baseball Trade Values, the Mariners got fleeced 25.3 : 9.4. Mariners grade at ESPN: C, Twins A-. As they didn't gave much up in terms of 2023 roster value, you still cannot get crazy about the trade. Sending 8m in cash and constraining options in the next three weeks is possibly the worst outcome. I hope, that in a couple of months, 2B is Cole Youngs position to loose.

Your comment, of, we’re not gonna talk about money. It’s definitely all about the money with John Stanton. Dipoto continues to be creative regarding acquiring players due to financial constraints. Are they really better than the Rangers and Astros offensively. How could they be? Haninger is not an everyday player, a lot of your opinion is based on speculation regarding France and Haninger and Raley, Rojas and Urias performing at or above their averages. That’s a lot of hope. The bottom line is, yes the M’s might be better than a week ago. It doesn’t take away from the fact, they could potentially be leaps and bounds better if Stanton would have let Dipoto off his chains to pursue some free agents. It’s all about the $$$ with this ownership. Hope springs eternal. Go M’s

@americastuff5147

5 ай бұрын

I had a dream last night where Stanton told Jerry he could do whatever he wanted in the offseason to construct a contender.

3:48 I'd say 15-20 hr is more like it(if he stays healthy) AND we wont have as many 150K + hitter in 24'

I really wanted Polonco, but we gave up too much. Desclafani while not great, is protection for the rotation because Woo hasn’t pitched this much and it scares me. Also I’m bias, but Gabby is one of my favorites and I watched him play one game and he hit a HR. Also Topa leaving really hurts the back of the bullpen, high leverage arms are hard to find. Hopefully this team can stay healthy though and be great.

@FatherFirst

5 ай бұрын

They just found Topas replacement, who is younger and better than Topa and with multiple years of control. As time has gone on, you can see how masterfully Jerry and Co has maneuvered the market with how limited they've been. They were given lemons this year and so far it looks like they've made lemonade out of it. This team is better than it was last year and theirs no doubt about it.

I love this move! I actually noticed Polanco is better against righties in his career, 2023 was an outlier where he hit lefties better

You guys got to 10k!!!

@MarinerMojoOfficial

5 ай бұрын

We did it! Thanks for being here ❤️❤️

Add snell

I'm good with this trade, still feels like Ms are the 3rd place in the division, imo..I know SP is good could get even better next year..BUT idk wtf to expect. Seems like the same mariners every year somehow. Hope for the best, expecting a fight for a wild card spot.

Giving up Gonzalez was tough though

We gonna start the season with a nice bench as well as a better lineup then last year I thought Jerry was getting revenge for the backlash of his 54% comment Jerry is cooking with the little he is given to work with

@americastuff5147

5 ай бұрын

I think Jerry was cooking up a scheme to get back at our 2023 enemies: the strikeouts and the marriage to a .500 record

@jamesfarnan7456

5 ай бұрын

Chef Jerry😊

I like polanco. But this is ALL contingent on haniger and polanco staying healthy. They both missed tons of games in years past. So if we end up trotting canzone and moore haggerty for prolonged periods of time, that's when we have a problem. Same goes for garver. Yes we upgraded positions, but how long will they last?

People really ignoring Polancos numbers against the AL west not mention his god like numbers in career appearances vs houston.

I can’t hate this trade… Ms needed infield help and they got it done. Tops hurts but can be replaced, I’m not sweating prospects that are in single A.

You like the bench bay we just got from KC??

I still don't think they are set or should feel 'set' at 3B. And I think giving up all that for a player who is a very good player but is already 30 years old.....3 years past his prime age. How long will he be an above average hitter? 3 more years? Thats a steep price to pay for a player that has probably 3 very good years left.

i wish desclafani the very best but i could never see his presence as an upgrade to the roster. a team with our pitching depth had no business bringing in a veteran #5.

I love this move

Yes 3 years ago he was good... now? He's a little above average... but injury prone... ankle surgery times 2, knee and another leg issue 2023... 😮😮😮

It's not Polanco's fault but he is severly hindered by hitting at Mariner's T-Mobile park.

Are they better than 2022? I hope so…

It seems like we're sending $8 million which is kinda crazy but still worth it for Polanco

Mariners are spending nothing extra on this deal. It's on fangraphs rosterresource un payroll tab, they are sending the $6M from the Giants plus an extra $1M, making it even money for the Mariners ($11.25M for Polanco incl. buyout vs $12M for DeSclafani, $1.25M for Topa, & $1M to MIN = $12.25M each) and the Twins save about $6M!!

My main concern is Haniger staying healthy.

Where are you gonna bat his 760 OPS in the lineup??? #8 or #9? He doesn't have the OBA to bat at the TOP of the lineup......Polanco is window dressing......NOT a difference maker.

Batting is okay to get.. but the true weaknes is the pitching. .in the rotation and bullpen

@sl-bo4lb

5 ай бұрын

Weakness is the pitching... in the rotation. What Seattle Mariners team are you commenting on? Not the one on this planet.

@rooseveltheath

5 ай бұрын

@@sl-bo4lb tell me then if they were so successful why didn't they make postseason because of the pitching

@ricklee727

5 ай бұрын

​@@rooseveltheathbecause they couldn't score runs. If you followed the M's you would know this.

@rooseveltheath

5 ай бұрын

@@ricklee727 the hitting coach was the blame for this and they got a new one and were still struggling

@ricklee727

5 ай бұрын

@@rooseveltheath hitting coach cant make hitters not swing atbad pitches

I still don't like that they cleaned house. I don't follow baseball terribly closely so I don't know who any of these guys are. It just doesn't feel like this is my Mariners anymore. My guess is it'll take until July for this to feel normal for me. If I find a way to watch games, it could be sooner. But that's not likely to happen early season.

No longer On Topa The World

Can the Mariners please keep Haggerty up instead of Dylan Moore. Or maybe Samad Taylor replaces Moore. I don't want to see Dylan Moore on the Mariners anymore. Let him be somebody else's "nice, hard-working guy who's just happy to be on a big league roster. His sub-mediocrity is grossly over-celebrated in Seattle.

Unfortunately "better than last year" can still be not good enough to make the playoffs. Anything short of the playoffs is an utter failure. Even more so of a failure since you have a "win now" pitching staff.

I love this move. NOW...we need to go get Snell to add that lefty we need in the rotation.

@golfmaniac007

5 ай бұрын

Let’s forget about snell and his asking price of 9 yr $270 million

@americastuff5147

5 ай бұрын

How about we tell Snell that nobody will sign him, so he should just take a massive pay cut and settle for about 3 yrs $45 Million

.269, Nice.

Will this guy say sorry I was wrong if the trade turns out to be bad

@MarinerMojoOfficial

5 ай бұрын

Will this guy say sorry he was right if the trade turns out good

@jackd8345

5 ай бұрын

@MarinerMojoOfficial sure I will but kolton Wong, winker, Adam Frasier what was your opinion on those pick ups

As a Twins fan, this looks like a win win trade for both teams! Get to know Jorge Polanco: -Positives 1. He’s a switch hitter, who i thought presented himself as a matchup nightmare for managers. 2. He has been super solid and consistent. Hes been an All-Star once, and has shown he has power and can find gaps well. 3. His mechanics are sorta unorthodox (you may seen some ugly, strange looking swing and misses), but he gets a lot of barrel, and when he doesn’t he will find an opening 4. Even though the Twins have not had much success in the playoffs, Polo has been relatively good with a bat in the big moment 5. He’s quiet. Like very quiet, but a good leader and will fit right in with Seattle -Negatives 1. He can play 2B, SS, and 3B: Why is this bad? Well he’s only average at 2B, below average at SS, and a trainwreck at 3B 2. Despite his good playoff bat, he has made some costly errors in the playoffs that have lost us games 3. The last 2 years he’s been injury prone. Kinda a bummer there Enjoy Jorge Polanco Seattle!

@MarinerMojoOfficial

5 ай бұрын

Thank you for this, Noah! Excited to have Jorge here!

Samad Taylor has entered the chat

Bring back mike ford!

Colton, I love you brother but there is no way Polanco is hitting 8th.

Sign matt Chapman and we winning the WS

@americastuff5147

5 ай бұрын

We would be signing Chap Mattman first

the reason this happened is appeasement. Mariners fans are kinda dumb. He's garbage defensivly. He's meh at best. People keep using our pitching to bolster their opinion of this guy. What's up with that? We had great pitching last year and it didn't help us hit when we needed it. Plus everyone keeps brushing off his injuries. Guess what folks he's 30. In pro sports 30 is 40. What happens as we age? Do injuries happen less or more? We're not in the steroid era (i hope] where players miraculously get better as they age! The guy isn't Bonds. He's not going to get bigger and stronger and hit better later. The M's had 1 job. Find a hitter that gets progressivly better by seasons end and in the playoffs. A guy that plays at least mid defensivly or at least isn't a liability. A guy that rakes 20ish HR a season. A decent slugging % and who doesn't get ice cold in September. M's allegedly have one of the best farm systems in baseball and we couldn't bring a youngster up with that sorta game give up next to nothing and pay them peanuts for a year? Win now? Every great team (Dodgers, Braves Astros) has gotten better not worse and until we can beat them what are we even doing? Nope this was a rinky dink move too buy a name M's fans might kinda sorta recognize so they'll shut up. I pray I'm wrong but as they say the more things change the more they stay the same😢

Fangraphs has Polanco batting 3rd

@jordanmacauley9422

5 ай бұрын

2nd or 6th

Meh.

Still not better than hou or tex

@skogstokig128

5 ай бұрын

Best pitching in the west though

@brenden084

5 ай бұрын

@@skogstokig128 and still not better overall.

@danielhoward4566

5 ай бұрын

The season hasn't even started. lol

@brenden084

5 ай бұрын

@@danielhoward4566 is there no way of analyzing talent then? Would you say Oakland could be better than Atlanta cause we dont know how the season will go since it hasnt started?

@skogstokig128

5 ай бұрын

@@brenden084 M's pitching will keep them in games if Julio has more games like he did August last year it's game over for Houston