How The Mariners Accidentally EXPOSED a Broader Baseball Issue

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How The Mariners Accidentally EXPOSED a Broader Issue In Baseball
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  • @CMoney288
    @CMoney2885 ай бұрын

    Let’s get ITalk studios to 1 million subs!

  • @thisguy8106

    @thisguy8106

    5 ай бұрын

    Amen.

  • @otgbaby4615

    @otgbaby4615

    5 ай бұрын

    Maybe

  • @pathutchison7688

    @pathutchison7688

    5 ай бұрын

    Let’s get him to a billion subs!!!!!! But before we do that, how about something reasonable like 150k.

  • @komickaze85

    @komickaze85

    5 ай бұрын

    That's going to take awhile. I love this channel, but maybe first try to get to 200k, 300k, and so on. I've been here at least 2 years and remember when he was pushing for 100K. It's not easy getting to 1M, but maybe in 5 years...

  • @DumbAssSpeakingWithMansVoice

    @DumbAssSpeakingWithMansVoice

    4 ай бұрын

    But Issac claims that only 2% of viewers are subs or some cockimamy statistic.

  • @redsamauri
    @redsamauri5 ай бұрын

    54% is 89 wins per year. As a life long O's fan I can tell you that I would have been happy for the O's have to averaged 89 wins per year from 1998-2022.

  • @tyrussleightholme7261

    @tyrussleightholme7261

    4 ай бұрын

    54% would be 87 wins js

  • @rmdthe4

    @rmdthe4

    4 ай бұрын

    Lol dude. If the O's had won 87 games every year from 1998-2022, they would have gone to the playoffs twice (2021 and 2015), which is less (!) than what they actually did - three times.

  • @jayb6670

    @jayb6670

    4 ай бұрын

    yes and they were playing meaningful games late in the season@@rmdthe4

  • @tromboneman4517

    @tromboneman4517

    4 ай бұрын

    That’s wild to think!

  • @CMCFLYYY

    @CMCFLYYY

    4 ай бұрын

    @@rmdthe4 And that's only because they had the biggest spending franchise in the league in their division, plus a MLB playoff system that only let in 4 teams per conference. Spending that much money almost guarantees a playoff spot, so with one of those in your division it's tough to contend on an annual basis. Winning 88 games is not going to routinely win divisions, but it would've won 2 divisions this last season. And in the expanded playoff format that began in 2022, 88 wins would've been good enough to win a playoff spot from any division in both 2022 and 2023. So it's fair to say, winning 54% of your games or ~87-88 wins with the new playoff format is pretty much a lock to make the playoffs each year...in most divisions. And like he said, sometimes it's 60% (97 wins) and sometimes it's 50% (81 wins). In those 97-win seasons you win the division, in those 50% seasons you miss the playoffs. But long-term, 54% is the rough baseline for what it takes to "be in contention and sneak into the playoffs as a wild card" in most every season. More often than not you'll get in with 88 wins. Sometimes you'll fall towards the 50%, other times you'll win nearly 100 games and win the division.

  • @jonvia
    @jonvia5 ай бұрын

    Whenever anything bad is exposed in MLB, I blame one man...his name is George Costanza. He worked for the Yankees.

  • @SchroederN8

    @SchroederN8

    5 ай бұрын

    Mark Wahlberg also shot Derek Jeter in the leg. Can't forget about that. 😂

  • @seanisty

    @seanisty

    5 ай бұрын

    @@SchroederN8I’ll never forget the day we lost our Biracial Jesus😓

  • @joelwexler

    @joelwexler

    5 ай бұрын

    He knew how to deal with the Astros, doz bastards.

  • @ShortyG724

    @ShortyG724

    5 ай бұрын

    Shouldn’t have made the switch from polyester to cotton 😂

  • @joelwexler

    @joelwexler

    4 ай бұрын

    @@ShortyG724 Costanza!

  • @ruso2153
    @ruso21535 ай бұрын

    Dipoto was spitting facts. Look at the angels. They refused to trade shohei, went all in with trades and really screwed their farm system. They didn’t end up making the postseason nor did they keep Ohtani, and a lot of the players they traded for.

  • @linyeful

    @linyeful

    4 ай бұрын

    "All in" for the Angels is 59% instead of 54%

  • @TinKnight

    @TinKnight

    4 ай бұрын

    This is exactly it. Teams that give superstars superstar-level contracts tend to be shallow... if those superstars aren't superstars ALL THE TIME, then the team will never achieve much because they have no depth. The Angels had 2 of the best players in the league & in recent history, & squandered them because the rest of their club just couldn't be up to the task. Rooting for a system where big name big market teams blow everyone away because they can afford the massive costs is the wrong mindset to have.

  • @Yaboifatback

    @Yaboifatback

    4 ай бұрын

    Dipito doesn’t care about winning, stop the bs. These analytic nerds should be banned from the game.

  • @Frydrykmastkiller

    @Frydrykmastkiller

    4 ай бұрын

    I agree, but talking about Analytics like that. After disappointing the fans, especially with the terrible lack of good trades after making the post season

  • @hia5235

    @hia5235

    4 ай бұрын

    I am not watching a team that admits they dont want to win games. Baseball sucks lol.

  • @SuperRainbol
    @SuperRainbol5 ай бұрын

    I hate this narrative that the Ray's model is bad since they have not won the World Series with it yet when the vast majority of teams who spent a lot in the last 15 years did not win the WS either. You can't guarantee a WS win, all you can do is make a contender and hope for a break in the post season, that's how every team won the WS in the last 15 years and the Rays have build a lot of contenders and will continue to do so year after year, they just need the dice to land on their favor one time. When a super team who made all the big money moves in the off season and traded their future do not win you do not see videos like this saying that teams shouldn't do that and should instead make more decisions thinking about the long term.

  • @w8stral

    @w8stral

    4 ай бұрын

    Ding ding ding... and... What utter crap: Brings up Dodgers as not a 54% team..... 2nd biggest market in USA and one of the oldest teams in Baseball. What a LOSER tool. Loser could have just said like the Yankees... Hey, he could have used the A's as the team to be an example of...

  • @mrborgenon

    @mrborgenon

    2 ай бұрын

    While it is good to have a long term mindset, it's also good to take a chance at some point. I'm not as familiar with baseball though so I don't know what exactly going all in means, as some people define it differently, and I don't know how many prospects it takes to acquire players. I'm a lifelong fan of the Packers who made the playoffs almost every year but without many superbowl appearances. For years, the Packers fanbase watched as management built okay teams and sometimes very good teams, but never elite teams because they wouldn't make trades and they would skip signing good players in free agency. That type of mindset can keep teams competitive but short of championship level. And I don't think making the Superbowl or the World Series is just about making it to the playoffs and getting lucky. Are you really saying that there's no difference in skill? I'm a casual Mariners fan because they are my "local" team, but when I watched them play the Astros in the 2022 divisional round, the Astros were clearly better. They just had better hitters. Baseball might be different though. I don't know because I don't watch enough of it as I do NFL. But I don't buy the argument that making playoff teams is enough because I've seen that model with the Packers and it always results in failure. The Packers also made the playoffs a lot not because management managed the roster better than other teams, they just had Aaron Rodgers and now Jordan Love might be good enough as well. The NFL is so QB oriented that having that caliber of player automatically makes a team a playoff contender. Even when Rodgers had a bad final season in 2022, the Packers were still playoff contenders at the final game of the season, which they lost, but had they won they would've made it. But even if they did make it, they would've lost in the wildcard round.

  • @varianschirmer9375

    @varianschirmer9375

    2 ай бұрын

    The Rays model isn't "bad". It's depressing when it guarantees it will never have "the guy" that plays an entire career there, wins a championship, and be the team's HOF representative. The Yankees are actually whining they are running out of "unretired" roster numbers. The Rays... outside of the league-wide "42" retirement... what other numbers have they idled? It's basically the Washington Nationals in an indoor venue. It's the Oakland Athletics without the toxic owner that apparently is being petty that he couldn't just trash the lease and start playing home games in Las Vegas now.

  • @potluck5896
    @potluck58965 ай бұрын

    Who would've guessed my team would have this big of a headline to talk about

  • @N8R_Quizzie

    @N8R_Quizzie

    5 ай бұрын

    We've had plenty to talk about this off-season.

  • @jacksonbacksone

    @jacksonbacksone

    5 ай бұрын

    Hahahaha. For Real, im hoping one of those headlines in the nex few years are a world series title (finally)

  • @Tylerrrrrb

    @Tylerrrrrb

    5 ай бұрын

    you own them?

  • @potluck5896

    @potluck5896

    4 ай бұрын

    Yes @@Tylerrrrrb

  • @lovelessissimo

    @lovelessissimo

    4 ай бұрын

    Oh, you're one of those.​@@Tylerrrrrb

  • @TheCouchGM
    @TheCouchGM5 ай бұрын

    Mariners highlighted the service time manipulation issue, then took advantage of the first Prospect Promotion Incentive Pick with Julio winning ROTY all within 2 years 😂 W offseason in my opinion, now we just need to win..

  • @yeffry
    @yeffry5 ай бұрын

    Isaac, for some of us, ingles isn’t our first languages, and in order to understand 100% of the video, we activate the subtitles, but somehow some of your videos dont have any kind of subtitles, pls I'd really appreciated it if you activate it, so I (and we, some of us) understand it. as always good video buddy, keep it up. (y)

  • @iTalkStudios

    @iTalkStudios

    5 ай бұрын

    Never knew people had this issue! My bad. I just activated them I think

  • @yeffry

    @yeffry

    5 ай бұрын

    @@iTalkStudios We love you bro, Thank you!

  • @MEGATBLAZER

    @MEGATBLAZER

    5 ай бұрын

    ​@@iTalkStudios Could have a channel with Spanish dub👀

  • @pathutchison7688

    @pathutchison7688

    5 ай бұрын

    I’ll be your interpreter for 75k. 😊

  • @aranchi20

    @aranchi20

    5 ай бұрын

    @@iTalkStudios​​⁠there’s an ai model called HeyGen that dubs audio to another language in your own voice. I’m pretty sure it costs money to use but a Spanish dub second channel might bring in enough money to cover it. Especially if iTalkEstudios becomes a hit in Latin American countries

  • @carana9229
    @carana92294 ай бұрын

    Like you said, October is RANDOM. Especially with more teams getting in. It makes more sense to try and get in than spend a lot of money to just get bounced by a wild card.

  • @N8R_Quizzie
    @N8R_Quizzie5 ай бұрын

    The problem isn't with Jerry Dipoto, its with ownership and their TV deal!!! Ownership has recently bought Root Sports NW entirely (they were majority owners before) and now they're bracing for less viewership. This could help preserve their broadcasts in the long haul, but for now they're almost equal parts a media ownership group as well as a baseball ownership group lol.

  • @LordTeaboBaggins

    @LordTeaboBaggins

    5 ай бұрын

    Yep. And to meet the financial burden of owning Root Sports, including acquisition, operational cost and tv contracts, they’ve had to cut payroll.

  • @patrickrogers9689

    @patrickrogers9689

    5 ай бұрын

    ​@@LordTeaboBaggins That's not quite correct. Their contract with Root Sports was going to be less lucrative due to issues with cable carriers rearranging their local sports packages. At that point their partner pulled out, and the Mariners decided to take over the rest of Root Sports in order to streamline things. Even if their partner hadn't sold off their share, and the Mariners hadn't acquired the rest of Root, they still would've had to cut payroll because their revenue stream was already falling off.

  • @N8R_Quizzie

    @N8R_Quizzie

    5 ай бұрын

    @@LordTeaboBaggins I know somebody who works at root sports and she gets me free tickets so I'm really glad that she did not get fired

  • @cyturner34

    @cyturner34

    5 ай бұрын

    All the more reason to sign ohtani. Half the planet would have bought root sports.

  • @solidstate90

    @solidstate90

    5 ай бұрын

    @cyturner34 Cant spend what you don't have

  • @mazzith
    @mazzith5 ай бұрын

    Not every team can be the Dodgers and the Yankees shelling out record paychecks. If everyone did it then a lot of teams would spend a lot and not win at the end of the year. This is why we need both a cap that requires teams to pay 90% of the salary cap or lose picks. This would encourage teams to pay their own players as they have to pay someone.

  • @thisguy8106

    @thisguy8106

    5 ай бұрын

    Then mlb teams need salary caps.

  • @thisguy8106

    @thisguy8106

    5 ай бұрын

    I get yalls point. But. Like.. it's always odd that the employees need their wages capped. But the owners don't.

  • @thisguy8106

    @thisguy8106

    5 ай бұрын

    But yes. A cap would make for a better product. Im only pointing out the unfairness of it.

  • @otgbaby4615

    @otgbaby4615

    5 ай бұрын

    You guys are dumb. Owners are rich they can spend, they chose not to. Did you not listen to the video nerd?

  • @joeblow5106

    @joeblow5106

    5 ай бұрын

    @@thisguy8106 They're the owners and puts up all the money to buy the team. How much money does a player put in? They put in $0 dollars. If you have a business would you want a committee telling you that your earnings are capped? Of course not. you'd say fuck off. You either believe in the concept of ownership or you are a leftist clown.

  • @channingmartin3576
    @channingmartin35764 ай бұрын

    If/when the M's are great, it will be in spite of the ownership group not because of them. If/when the M's are great, it will be because of the players, coaches, & FO not in spite of them.

  • @N8R_Quizzie
    @N8R_Quizzie5 ай бұрын

    Credit to Jerry Dipoto because after he made those comments he was told to not spend hardly a dime. He's done a lot to make the most out of the players he has and the players he could get.

  • @leonardoperez5476
    @leonardoperez54765 ай бұрын

    I don’t think either of these men should get fired or persecuted for telling the truth. This is what we should expect out of these organizations, being able to tell the fans and players how the system works to get a clear picture of why decisions are made.

  • @toml9819
    @toml98195 ай бұрын

    Literally two days ago I was searching your channel for a Mariners rebuild video. You read my mind dude thanks for the content!

  • @alexalmond6862
    @alexalmond68624 ай бұрын

    I remember Jeff Passan calling us spoiled before that season started lmao

  • @collinschlabach5443
    @collinschlabach54434 ай бұрын

    I am a Cardinals fan, and our last two world series runs were with a 51 and 55 percent win record. 54 is not a bad goal.

  • @lazorpanda3606
    @lazorpanda36065 ай бұрын

    That one guy at 0:41 looked like a mix of tom brady and Steve Kerr

  • @N8R_Quizzie

    @N8R_Quizzie

    5 ай бұрын

    That's Jerry Dipoto, the president of baseball ops for the Mariners. Essentially he's like a GM working with Justin Hollander. The people of Seattle generally like him but it's definitely an up and down relationship lol.

  • @dominicanball2361
    @dominicanball23615 ай бұрын

    I haven't been a Mariners fan for that long yet I already ferl this frustration. I gotta give some credit to them though for an offseason that I'm satisfied with and that was way better than expected, yet if all of this still came with the 54% mentality, it might be just sad to know that maybe the year after this one we'll be bad again and that it is so uncertain and unpredictable what the Mariners do.

  • @myplane150
    @myplane1504 ай бұрын

    Dipoto is absolutely right. Seriously, the playoffs have become such a crap shoot that you only need to win 84 games to get to the WS.

  • @bluesplit2887

    @bluesplit2887

    4 ай бұрын

    The Mariners didn't even make the playoffs with 88 and 90 wins in the last 3 years. Their chances of winning the World Series in those years was zero.

  • @anonymousdogg1559
    @anonymousdogg15595 ай бұрын

    4:14 me when I try to explain something with all my heart, what the other person hears 😅

  • @Nein1no
    @Nein1no5 ай бұрын

    When mentioning the Rays, it's also important to note that they are outliers for 'success'. Not every team can or should build like them, as each team has different needs and assets - and what works now might not always work. The league just salivates at the idea that they can perhaps get just as 'lucky' as the Rays - spending as little money as they can while maintaining the illusion of competing.

  • @gravebeast9752
    @gravebeast97522 ай бұрын

    Fans while watching Moneyball: ❤😊 Fans when management makes Moneyball comments: 🤬🤬😱

  • @Blackmallowtube
    @Blackmallowtube4 ай бұрын

    I'm kinda thinking franchise value appreciation is the most important thing to an owner. Then comes profits. Then comes winning. Small and medium market teams solved the franchise value appreciation equation with their 54% win expectancy formula which is a compromise between keeping fan interest to drive franchise value, extra profit on playoff runs and keeping costs the lowest possible to assure minimal profits in down years, thus keeping franchise value appreciation constantly high.

  • @gillowe6690
    @gillowe66904 ай бұрын

    I love the Kuma spiining on his head clip. Never thought Kuma had it in him

  • @jinxedchef
    @jinxedchef5 ай бұрын

    I was with you until 9:00. Why can't more teams be like the Dodgers?Maybe because no other team has a $8.35 BILLION local TV contract? Maybe, just maybe that has something to do with it?

  • @iTalkStudios

    @iTalkStudios

    5 ай бұрын

    They don't have to spend quite as much, like I said nobody has to spend one billion, but a lot of teams should at least spend more than they do.

  • @MountainFisher

    @MountainFisher

    5 ай бұрын

    MLB stole $2 billion of it though to give to losers who figured revenue share is profitable and run a AAA team out for as cheap as allowed.

  • @DavidPhillips-rs5dq

    @DavidPhillips-rs5dq

    4 ай бұрын

    People act like that billion dollars is just to give them a chance this year but in reality it's settling them up for 5 - 10 years. Also the dodgers manipulated the crap out of the system with all that deferred money... that was probably mlbs idea to get the much needed codgers/spankees whirled series again and make it seem like any team could have done it. Viewers don't want another rangers/ diamondback small market series again that nobody watches now do we? I suspect that after the dodgers are done loading up for the next decade that loophole will be fixed.

  • @claytoncourtney1309

    @claytoncourtney1309

    4 ай бұрын

    @@iTalkStudios The Dodgers did not spend 1 Billion in the off season though? That makes it sound like they wrote a big check and next year will have to do it again. How many YEARS of service did they get for that ? You should mentioned that as well.

  • @shaunnichols1743
    @shaunnichols17434 ай бұрын

    This is pretty close to what the Giants approach has been for a couple decades now. It's very frustrating when they don't make moves and miss the playoffs by a few games, but it's also hard to argue with three rings in five seasons

  • @imyerf5382
    @imyerf53825 ай бұрын

    I’m still pissed about Mather, sucks being a mariners fan

  • @brettandersson3206
    @brettandersson32064 ай бұрын

    54% is 87 games. You aren’t getting out of the AL west with 87 games. Not with Houston and Texas.

  • @masonthorne1107
    @masonthorne11074 ай бұрын

    The A’s got the 30% mentally 😢

  • @lordvaryus8473
    @lordvaryus84735 ай бұрын

    As a lifetime mariners fan sadly. No its not OK. If you go back and look at their playoff drought. They miss the playoffs by one seed a lot. So shove it with that 54%. Felix wasted prime was by them never going for it.

  • @paulschlosser603

    @paulschlosser603

    4 ай бұрын

    Dipoto wasn't their GM until 2015

  • @JakeyD360

    @JakeyD360

    3 ай бұрын

    Yes!! I haven’t been as into the M’s in recent years, but I remember from 2014-present day we would constantly miss the playoffs by 1 or 2 games. Idk how we didn’t make it with out Robinson cano, Nelson Cruz roster.

  • @grumpydave7329
    @grumpydave73294 ай бұрын

    The front office thinks in gambling terms lol.

  • @bigbrad6828
    @bigbrad68284 ай бұрын

    It’s interesting to me that a franchise that has no idea what it takes to win a World Series is talking about what it takes to win a World Series.

  • @kylel9899
    @kylel98994 ай бұрын

    54% and keeping a sustainable farm system is not a bad goal to shoot for. I'd rather have that as a fan than what the Pirates, A's, and Rockies do every year which is just tank.

  • @Joshua-fz5zx
    @Joshua-fz5zx4 ай бұрын

    Im so thankful for Alex Anthopoulos in Atlanta.

  • @JamesBlackman13
    @JamesBlackman135 ай бұрын

    I’m usually in agreement with you; but not this time. Dipoto’s 54% mindset is in the long run the best approach. Baseball is one of those sports where any team can win on any given day. That’s why some teams actually lost games to the A’s last year. Getting to the postseason consistently puts you in the best position to win a World Series. Hard to win multiple rings if you only make it to the dance every 10 years or so.

  • @bluesplit2887

    @bluesplit2887

    4 ай бұрын

    Best approach for what? 54% didn't even make the playoffs in 2023, and 55.5% didn't make the playoffs in 2021. I'm pretty sure the chances of even getting to the World Series is 0% if you don't make the playoffs. And even if you make the playoffs with 54%, it's in the wildcard round, and you have to win 3 series to get to the World Series instead of 2 series if you win the division with one of the top 2 records.

  • @SmallSpoonBrigade

    @SmallSpoonBrigade

    4 ай бұрын

    @@bluesplit2887 There's also the issue of how the wins and losses are distributed throughout the league. If one team manages to win only 30 games, and those losses are primarily going to a couple other teams, then you can lose out even with a massive record. Really, I wish there'd be more emphasis on having teams that are fun to watch, and less on doing whatever the spreadsheet told you to do. Allowing managers to make some calls based on what their judgment about the situation calls for as well. It shouldn't be a contest of which team can more effectively use the statistical information they've got.

  • @IscariottActual
    @IscariottActual4 ай бұрын

    This is peak seattle can't handle being told the truth. The ownership group is trying to make the franchise work.

  • @CrazyBreadWithSauce
    @CrazyBreadWithSauce5 ай бұрын

    I don't think Dipoto or Servais is the problem. It's Stanton. 54% is actually pretty good. The Rangers got 55% and won the WS.

  • @SmallSpoonBrigade

    @SmallSpoonBrigade

    4 ай бұрын

    The issue is that kind of thinking that represents. 54% is pretty good, but it comes from a spreadsheet and over the last couple decades spreadsheets and statisticians have been making far too many of the decisions. It leads to a boring game where the team with the best statistics and the best players to serve those statistics win. The 2001 Mariners weren't just an amazing team to watch because of the number of games they won, even when they did lose a game, it was still an interesting game where something could happen at any time. I wish there was more of an incentive to put together teams where everybody was more consistent, even if on the whole a bit more mediocre. It's not that different from the best racehorses being more consistent, just slightly better in total than the other horses.

  • @tastyneck
    @tastyneck4 ай бұрын

    Good vid. I thought your explanation of what the 54% meant in both literal and figurative was spot.

  • @brianp3570
    @brianp35704 ай бұрын

    The smugness of laughing while saying "we're actually doing the fan base a favor [while intentionally not making the playoffs]" is amazing.

  • @billyskittles1036
    @billyskittles10365 ай бұрын

    Side note, I think every MLB team should have a Spanish and Japanese translator. These players are bringing in a lot of money to the club and the MLB. However, I also understand why people think the players should pay for translators because, in reality, they should.

  • @bg22757

    @bg22757

    4 ай бұрын

    Well then said teams should stop putting it in their contracts that the team pays for them😂

  • @brianmacdonald2485
    @brianmacdonald24854 ай бұрын

    If you look at the post-season only, the worst a team can be and still win the World Series is just above 59% in those post-season games (winning their series 2-1, 3-2, 4-3, and 4-3). Feels like that's a better target for a team that's actually aiming to win it all.

  • @mr.wilzaboi7698
    @mr.wilzaboi76985 ай бұрын

    The mini hoop 🤣🤣5:39

  • @matthewadams8294
    @matthewadams82944 ай бұрын

    Saying someone is over paid or not wanting to pay an interpreter isn’t really offensive unless ya want it to be. I once had a job where my boss thought being paid 7 an hour was too much. Now that’s insulting. I actually appreciated this guys honesty.

  • @briancarey9689
    @briancarey96894 ай бұрын

    As a mets fan, i've experienced no championships and no consistent playoffs for my entire life. so going to no championships with making the playoff every year would be an upgrade

  • @RyanDaRizzle
    @RyanDaRizzle5 ай бұрын

    Yeah. Admitting it publicly was the issue. Like, everyone knew why Kris Bryant spent the first 12 days fo 2015 in AAA but the arbiter ruled in the Cubs' favor because they couldn't prove it. Which short of them admitting to it I don't see how you prove that. Padres don't manipulate service time tho.

  • @andylarsson8538
    @andylarsson85384 ай бұрын

    I actually agree with Dipoto. Look at 2023 Mets they went all in and completely flopped. The aim in regular should be to win 89-90 games make the post season and with the new rules anything can happen.

  • @varianschirmer9375

    @varianschirmer9375

    2 ай бұрын

    Mets didn't just underperform... they swung the wrecking ball thru the roster.

  • @dramatyst5661
    @dramatyst56614 ай бұрын

    the owners must have hated that 2001 season then lol

  • @theelike4302
    @theelike43024 ай бұрын

    8:28 Yes! That is EXACTLY what ownership wants. They don't care about winning, they care about being profitable. "Winning" to owners is maintaining a regular cash flow. Winning games is just a bonus.

  • @RoastOfEmpires
    @RoastOfEmpires4 ай бұрын

    The 54% strategy is the obvious team response to the playoff expansion. The playoff expansion has watered down the regular season competitiveness and it's making the product stale, in the name of an owner cash grab for more playoff games

  • @Mekias
    @Mekias5 ай бұрын

    Mather was an idiot. Dipoto thinks he's the smartest guy in the room and certainly stuck his foot in his mouth. That being said, the 54% thing isn't a bad idea or strategy. It's just not something your fanbase or players want to hear. I'll also say that while the offseason acquisitions before 2023 were underwhelming, I'm not going to blame Dipoto or the M's for not "going for it" at the 2023 trade deadline. The M's were well back in the standings at that time (56-52 record) and it didn't make sense to be buyers. Only a historically good August got them back into the race.

  • @sdt01o1
    @sdt01o15 ай бұрын

    The Red Sox are clearly working under this model. They didn't say that part out loud, but they way they're operating makes it obvious that they are aiming for the 'illusion of contention' and that bogus third wildcard slot, all the while hoping and praying that all their inexpensive prospects magically become all-stars at once. So yeah, the Mariners are not the only team doing this.

  • @patrickrogers9689

    @patrickrogers9689

    5 ай бұрын

    The third wild card slot exists, and the D-backs got to the World Series from it, so it's clearly not bogus. Get in and you have a shot, that's all that matters.

  • @sdt01o1

    @sdt01o1

    5 ай бұрын

    @@patrickrogers9689 The Diamondbacks were a nice story, but they are proof (in the minds of Mariners and Sox ownership, among others) that they're doing the right thing by cutting payroll and aiming for a .540 winning percentage. Sure, the D-backs had a nice run, but the team that won the Series was the one that added depth, added talent. Same way the Sox won in '04, '07, '13, and '18. That's a proven way to a title, but these owners are content with mediocrity while pocketing revenue hand over fist.

  • @patrickrogers9689

    @patrickrogers9689

    5 ай бұрын

    @@sdt01o1 Completely besides my point, which was that there's nothing at all bogus about the 3rd wild card slot. If you don't like the D-backs example, how about the Phillies getting to the World Series out of the 3rd wild card in the NL in 2022?

  • @sdt01o1

    @sdt01o1

    5 ай бұрын

    @@patrickrogers9689...and again, lost to a team that spent some money! OK, I'll retract my 'bogus third wild card' comment, but I maintain that mediocrity should not be the goal for a team's ownership. Fans deserve some effort from their team's management to put a quality product on the field.

  • @sdt01o1

    @sdt01o1

    5 ай бұрын

    @@patrickrogers9689 in truth, the 2022 Phillies sort of prove both of our points. They were a 3rd wildcard team that made it to the World Series, but they were also a team run by Dave Dombrowski who built the team with pricey talent specifically to get to the World Series.

  • @bigfloridapimp
    @bigfloridapimp4 ай бұрын

    I remember always being surprised when a team would trade someone or lost them in free agency before 30 years old.

  • @irakorman848
    @irakorman8485 ай бұрын

    How do you do it? Just about every day a great video that is superbly produced and researched with topics that any baseball fan would enjoy. Great job.

  • @j.ruhland21
    @j.ruhland214 ай бұрын

    Mariners ownership doesn’t care about winning, it’s all about the numbers. Wonder who said people might be only interested in something like that. 🤔

  • @mattthefratman
    @mattthefratman4 ай бұрын

    As an Astros fan I am ok with the M’s winning 54% of the time or less 😂

  • @calvinwood7120
    @calvinwood71205 ай бұрын

    Braves also trading for NLCS and WS MVPs mid season isn’t talked about enough

  • @claytoncourtney1309

    @claytoncourtney1309

    4 ай бұрын

    True, but would they have done that if Acuna and others did not get injured?

  • @calvinwood7120

    @calvinwood7120

    4 ай бұрын

    @@claytoncourtney1309 wouldn’t have had both w Acuna but trading for a player mid season that can help in the playoffs is something the Mariners should pay attention to since they don’t actually pay for players

  • @paulwest3905
    @paulwest39055 ай бұрын

    For Baseball fans it amounts to love of the sport; for the teams/owners it is a business. Having to operate in a capless salary league you end up with the multitude of manipulative strategies and tactics to meet the owner's goals. For the largest teams like the Dodgers it is a lot easier. I don't see things improving anytime soon due to the mistrust between owners and the players association. There is a real big reason why owners never ever want their financial books open to scrutiny. So, meanwhile... it's business as usual. Once in a while someone says in plain language what is really going on and inevitably gets fired for threatening the Golden Goose of Baseball. As old guys on the Railroad have always said "Shut up and open your pocket!"

  • @TheSonofabiscuit

    @TheSonofabiscuit

    5 ай бұрын

    What does every free agent say before signing with a team?? "Baseball is a business" You forgot to include players in the business category, and business is the Art of War. Let's be real

  • @JudahWestcott
    @JudahWestcott5 ай бұрын

    I like that after those comments he’s made many good moves to make the team better with Stanton in the helm

  • @stephenwodz7593
    @stephenwodz75934 ай бұрын

    The playoffs are a crapshoot. Talent has little, if anything, to do with it. It's just a matter of which teams get hot at the right time. 2023 showed this in no uncertain terms.

  • @lukemiller6669
    @lukemiller66694 ай бұрын

    From the 4 teams that made the NL and AL CS the average win percentage was 54.6% lmao

  • @ShartStainMagee
    @ShartStainMagee5 ай бұрын

    The real issue is the Mariners' alternate jersey kerning. Julio's last name is NOT "Rodr iguez"

  • @d.j.8059
    @d.j.80594 ай бұрын

    "The Mariners, and many other teams, want to operate like the Rays". *cough* Cubs *cough*

  • @yourmomdooer21
    @yourmomdooer214 ай бұрын

    This does boil down to M’s ownership tho. That’s the biggest issue. Bad ownership

  • @kevincanning3051
    @kevincanning30515 ай бұрын

    54% is less than 90 wins. That's a huge gamble

  • @T_K7

    @T_K7

    5 ай бұрын

    It rounds out to 88 wins, i.e. what we narrowly missed the playoffs with last season (as is tradition).

  • @DanAdamsVoice
    @DanAdamsVoice4 ай бұрын

    Not being willing to commit more resources to winning bigger is an ownership problem, not a front office problem. Dipoto has a fantastic mindset for what he's given to work with, he doesn't get to control how much the owners are willing to spend (whether that be signing big free agents or paying a lot in international signings to replenish the farm for trades). As a Mets fan I'm suuuper thankful we've got an owner that's going to be willing to sustain a high level of success once we've built it up.

  • @tyrussleightholme7261
    @tyrussleightholme72614 ай бұрын

    Maybe don’t trade your top league reliever while in the playoff race??? There’s an idea 😊

  • @CMCFLYYY
    @CMCFLYYY4 ай бұрын

    This is what all the "poorer" franchises strive for - Seattle just said the quiet part out loud. Winning 88 games is not going to routinely win divisions, but it would've won 2 divisions this last season. And in the expanded playoff format that began in 2022, 88 wins would've been good enough to win a playoff spot from any division in both 2022 and 2023. So it's fair to say, winning 54% of your games or ~87-88 wins with the new playoff format is pretty much a lock to make the playoffs each year...in most divisions. And like he said, sometimes it's 60% (97 wins) and sometimes it's 50% (81 wins). In those 97-win seasons you win the division, in those 50% seasons you miss the playoffs. But long-term, 54% is the rough baseline for what it takes to "be in contention and sneak into the playoffs as a wild card" in most every season. More often than not you'll get in with 88 wins. Sometimes you'll fall towards the 50%, other times you'll win nearly 100 games and win the division. And that's what these small-market teams are striving for. Just to be in contention every season and put butts in the seats. Be in the hunt late in the season to keep fans interested, make the playoffs maybe half the time, win closer to 60% and take the division several times a decade. But not only do they not have the money to go out and make all those huge signings like the Dodgers, they also don't have the money to climb back out of that huge hole if they over-extend themselves and it backfires. As said in the video, these small-market teams would be stuck in the mud for a decade if they tried to spend too big and it backfires and turns into 5 years of irrelevance winning 40-50 games. They can't afford to routinely spend big each offseason, and can't afford to spend their way out of a mess if it blows up on them. So instead, don't spend like that and aim for 54%.

  • @thethomaslampe
    @thethomaslampe5 ай бұрын

    Very true but as a mariners fan I think actions speak louder than words and Jerry has won be back this offseason at least a little

  • @henrylevine6216
    @henrylevine62165 ай бұрын

    I love ur videos

  • @iTalkStudios

    @iTalkStudios

    5 ай бұрын

    Thank you!!

  • @hia5235
    @hia52354 ай бұрын

    Why should I watch baseball if teams dont want to win every game?

  • @g35phreak34
    @g35phreak344 ай бұрын

    I 100% agree that this is indeed an issue. As a Mariners fan, our team has been extremely profitable while not fielding a product worthy of that profit. Our owners are business people not baseball people, and I refuse to spend more money on the team until we get owners who want to win championships not bottom lines.

  • @bernardgallo2884
    @bernardgallo28845 ай бұрын

    87.48 wins will rarely get you to the playoffs. The goal should be 93-97 wins.

  • @ghjong001
    @ghjong0014 ай бұрын

    I honestly don't see what's wrong with DiPoto's statement. The best way to win a championship is to consistently make the playoffs (which is now far easier than ever with the expanded postseason), and not mortgaging your future in the hopes that this year is going to be 'your' year. 54% isn't mediocre, it's above average - and if you can be *consistently* above average, that is exceptional. If you don't have the resources of the Yankees, this is the best way to win.

  • @NybergCarl
    @NybergCarl4 ай бұрын

    If other teams are adding talent before the trade deadline (or after), it's hard to compete without being part of that.

  • @spiffy9065
    @spiffy90655 ай бұрын

    as a mariners fan thank you for making this video

  • @waynewells3297
    @waynewells32974 ай бұрын

    I dont understand the fuss over the 54% comment. He wasn’t saying that they would try to lose games in order to not go over .540. He was just saying that playing .540 ball is a worthy goal, because it almost guarantees a playoff appearance. Much ado over nothing….

  • @Yaboifatback
    @Yaboifatback4 ай бұрын

    Depoto is a clown, he doesn’t care about winning at all whatsoever.

  • @BrinkyLV
    @BrinkyLV5 ай бұрын

    At least the Devil Rays have been to a World Series.

  • @bg22757

    @bg22757

    4 ай бұрын

    They haven't been the Devil Ray's for about 15 years

  • @rich7787
    @rich77874 ай бұрын

    I forgot all about Mather talking to that Rotary club! He also insulted them during the talk, I think

  • @jamesweldon8118
    @jamesweldon81184 ай бұрын

    54% is 87 games.. 60% is 97. 54% should be the floor

  • @danieldonnelly1910
    @danieldonnelly19104 ай бұрын

    The 54 % thing happens across all sports and really I feel throughout all business ( which is really how the owners look at this). Companies and organizations would rather slowly build positively and have small year to year gains that don’t take on very much risk then make larger riskier moves that may hurt their future but potentially increase there chances by quite a bit to make substantially more profit in the current year. We see this in all forms of business and sports just reflects this too, people are risk adverse and if they are making good money they are completely happy with the status quo and playing the odds on themselves randomly striking big over time, winning in all sports is somewhat random and I think a lot of owners take this into equation when developing a way that they want their organization to be run.

  • @EICHist
    @EICHist4 ай бұрын

    I mean the argument falls apart at about the 8:30 mark. The Dodgers, Phils, Mets, Pads, and Yanks all spent a ton and haven't won a thing lately. Aside from the fluke 60 game season, the Dodgers have been embarrassed in every postseasons since. It's not about spending and not spending. It's as Hoyer says: "Spend intelligently". Some Cubs fans right now might be annoyed with him, but I am glad he isn't bowing to Boras and paying 200+ mill for Belli for 8 years. That's bad spending. But they are spending, and when Boras caves, if he does, they can get belli for cheaper...or play the kids.

  • @jondukes7025
    @jondukes70255 ай бұрын

    The teams that intentionally tanked to build their farm system have been the best teams in each league. Braves and Astros.

  • @iTalkStudios

    @iTalkStudios

    5 ай бұрын

    Ok but then look at the Royals. Marlins. Rockies. Tigers. Braves rebuild in particular wasn't very long

  • @patrickrogers9689

    @patrickrogers9689

    5 ай бұрын

    Baltimore, now, too. We'll see if they can keep it up like the Astros and Braves have.

  • @damoneboyd9945
    @damoneboyd99455 ай бұрын

    Mariners won't make Alcs for some time

  • @turdferguson8175
    @turdferguson81755 ай бұрын

    As a white Sox fan. Iv known this very same thing about them for so long. And it’s infuriating. Some fan bases really don’t understand how lucky they are to not have this problem.

  • @dgrblue4162
    @dgrblue41624 ай бұрын

    It is better to finish at the top or the bottom of the standings. Doing enough to win 85 games but not get that playoff money isnt always the best move.

  • @ryukami404

    @ryukami404

    4 ай бұрын

    I would honestly endure a couple years of being at the bottom of the league if it translates to drafting highly sought after prospects for either trade bait or being the future of the team than decades of barely missing the playoffs and hoping to get lucky with mid to late round picks

  • @FatherFirst
    @FatherFirst5 ай бұрын

    As a lifelong Mariners fan, it pissed me off when Jerry said that 54% comment. But after cooling down I realised that it wasnt Jerry's fault, and that in actuality he's been handcuffed by ownership in regards to going out and spending money to win. He's done a hell of a job building the farm system, and he's traded some very goo pieces from our farm system to bring in Luis Castillo. He's actually done a really good job with what he's had to deal with. This off-season he really maneuvered the market well and got some really exciting pieces that I am confident should make this team much better than it was last year. My whole point in saying this though is that we as fans can see what he's done since coming to Seattle. He's built a very good farm system, got off of crippling contracts, and made this team so much better than it was before he came on. Last year was definitely not what anybody wanted. But I really felt like it was an exception as opposed to the rule. We were decimated with injuries started by losing Ray in the first game of the season, and then it slowly just fell apart until it stopped. Wong was a bad pick up but they managed to find someone to play the position better who contributed, though be it in spurts. And Miller and Woo came out and showed they are ready for the Bigs. They pulled themselves together and only missed the post season by a game. The wonn 88 ganes where as the year before they won 90. Ty France had a down year, which I am confident he will rebound nicely this year, and we've added proven upgrades at multiple positions. All while not losing a single starting pitcher that actually played last year. We have a great rotatiom, a great bullpen, and good contact hitters who are not strikeout happy. I think this M's team if they can stay healthy can go for 100 wins this year. 95 at worst. Julio is going to win the MVP and hit 40 while stealing 40 and barring .300+ all year and this thing is going to come to form the way its supposed to..... at least that's what I truly hope for. Only time will tell if its just another pipe dream. But this team can make some serious noise with the pitching we have and the lineup looking the way it does. I'm my humble opinion this team is far better now than it was at any point last year, the year before that, and the 2 decades before that. Here's to a fantastic season for the Seattle Mariners!!!!! Go M's!!!!

  • @jeremyetchison948

    @jeremyetchison948

    5 ай бұрын

    I got to "handcuffed by ownership" and said, yup. True.. but not reading the rest of that lol😂😂😂

  • @bg22757

    @bg22757

    4 ай бұрын

    ​@@jeremyetchison948😂if he uses paragraphs I would maybe have given it a go, but when I see a wall of text like that, I'm out😂

  • @Icethepunisher
    @Icethepunisher5 ай бұрын

    I like your videos

  • @iTalkStudios

    @iTalkStudios

    5 ай бұрын

    Thank you for watching!

  • @njacobdekelaita6198
    @njacobdekelaita61984 ай бұрын

    If a MLB mgr wins 54% of his games he will manage quite a few years and probably make the HOF. 54% is a very high goal for most teams unless like a few you have an unlimited supply of $$$$

  • @christopherboccuzzi8761
    @christopherboccuzzi87614 ай бұрын

    I read MLBTR daily and this is the first I've heard of the Seattle story. It doesn't sound too different than what Theo Epstein said years ago- goal is to win 95 games and then whatever happens, happens (to paraphrase). The player compensation system is messed up, period. I understand the player frustration with service time manipulation. I also understand the temptation to do so. As far as going all-in, Boston has been underneath the basement since Dombrowski went for broke. There's a happy medium between cashing in every last chip you have to win a Championship, cost be damned, and hoarding prospects and refusing any and all outside help. Watching the Red Sox right now I'm happy that for the most part there isn't an albatross contract on the books. It's equally frustrating knowing that heading into Spring Training the roster is hot garbage and for whatever reason they are gathering every middle infielder they can find.

  • @paulschlosser603
    @paulschlosser6034 ай бұрын

    Dipoto is smart and correct. If you're not one of the 3 teams with their own broadcast station you can't afford to field these superteams. We're seeing it now with bally sports defaulting on their TV deals with certain teams and those teams having to make plans to MLB of how they will service their debt with a more limited income.

  • @mtbtx9304
    @mtbtx93045 ай бұрын

    Really wish American sports followed EPL build a quality team or face relegation.

  • @patrickrogers9689

    @patrickrogers9689

    5 ай бұрын

    Relegation is stupid as hell. MLB is much more competitive overall than EPL. Only 5 of 30 MLB teams have not won a championship. The Mariners are the only team to not even get there. EPL has a much, much worse ratio. That pattern holds true for all of UEFA's major leagues, who all practice relegation. Relegation is anti-competitive. Moreover, the next level of professional play for baseball in the US are teams associated with MLB teams. No system exists for teams to be moved down, even if they wanted to do it.

  • @mtbtx9304

    @mtbtx9304

    5 ай бұрын

    @@patrickrogers9689hints the stated “wish”.

  • @ihatesnowflakes2537
    @ihatesnowflakes25375 ай бұрын

    As a jays fan, when Alex anthepolis ( excuse my spelling if wrong) went all in on his last year and the ownership said fuck yeah go for it I really respected that, yeah we didn't win but man was it fun the city was lit too, hopefully Ross and Shapiro realise this soon

  • @VigilanteWilliamson
    @VigilanteWilliamson4 ай бұрын

    You successfully convinced me the opposite. The Dodgers are in debt forever. The Rays way is more sustainable for more franchises that don't have bottomless pockets.

  • @thewinger337
    @thewinger3374 ай бұрын

    what i think is so funny about those comments about “dont go all in” from dipoto is that their division rival rangers went “all in” and then won the world series while also keeping a great farm system

  • @SmallSpoonBrigade

    @SmallSpoonBrigade

    4 ай бұрын

    There's degrees. You definitely do have to consider the seasons to come when going for the WS win. However, shooting for 54% as the way of doing it is also stupid. There are a lot of tradeoffs and having the mindset that 54% is the goal can lead to decisions that don't properly optimize the result. You don't invest enough in the current season, and you overinvest in seasons that will never come. It also makes getting the best players a bit more expensive, as being on a championship team and winning the WS is worth something, there's only so much money these top rated talents can reasonably use, but a championship is something that can't be bought so easily.

  • @Rymann_23
    @Rymann_234 ай бұрын

    Real ones never forget the chaos this caused 😭😭😭😭

  • @ShadowWizard123
    @ShadowWizard1234 ай бұрын

    A .540 win percentage is an 88 win team. That's pretty good. That's almost always good enough to make the playoffs

  • @npw9648
    @npw96485 ай бұрын

    Not all teams has the market of dodgers, you can’t model your team with them because it’s just fundamentally different

  • @wingracer1614

    @wingracer1614

    5 ай бұрын

    Not only that but while things look great now, what are they going to look like in the future? They are setting themselves up to be the A's of the 2030s. Now I don't think it will be that bad, they have a lot more money to work with than the A's but the weight of those contracts is going to make things difficult.

  • @npw9648

    @npw9648

    5 ай бұрын

    @@wingracer1614 it will be but I think they will be able to get a lot of cheap players now since there team is so complete

  • @yitzchakgross6656
    @yitzchakgross66564 ай бұрын

    Hal Steinbrenner does the same. He doesn't straight out say it, but he doesn't spend money really. Him and Cashman just talk about merely making the playoffs

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