What do you think the biggest reason people rat in Tarkov is?

@CASTLEPIE9

9 ай бұрын

Gear Fear, Being ratted so many times can make you want to rat for revenge. Some people just like to watch people suffer.

@JH-fd9xt

9 ай бұрын

They either are afraid of losing gear in a 1v1 or ambush. They get a thrill from killing a PMC easiest way preferably. Inertia is so clunky that if you dont have 25 or higher STR movement feels bad so ratting is just easier than fighting PMCs who can dance and jump all around you like a arcade shooter like COD. I feel like option 1 is the biggest.

@Peppuli.

9 ай бұрын

Playing careful is the lore-true way to play. I want to immerse myself in the world and pvp when it organically happens. I dont minmax or meta in video games, so I dont wanna chad and just run mutants forever.

@craiggoods9856

9 ай бұрын

Because its funny and it makes the Chad's mad

@Peppuli.

9 ай бұрын

@@JH-fd9xtyou focus so much on skill. Aggressive w-key chad = good, sneaky sniper or ambush = ratting and bad. I play Tarkov like hitman: why meet an enemy head on when you can wait them to pass and shoot them in the back of the head. Avoid fights when Im not on pvp quests.

I don’t rat, I play carefully . I loose 1v1 and don’t have hours to keep trying to quest. I’m a filthy casual.

@Sonless_Vergil

8 ай бұрын

Kinda same

@dontevertell

8 ай бұрын

Plus the gear does not matter as much if you play like this. So I never buy guns or armor unless the quest requires smth specific. Scaving provides decent gear these days.

@swappinqentertainment

8 ай бұрын

You guys missed the entire point of the video lol

@sanctum2fan

8 ай бұрын

@@swappinqentertainmentfr. bushcamping, wait til 3 minutes to extract, hear a footstep and crouch in a corner for 12 minute, gear-fearing plebs. i SUCK and dont have hella time to dump, but you wont catch me dead playing like a rat

@Osama_Twin_Llamas

7 ай бұрын

bird up!

For the leg thing - You just need an adrenaline system that lets you continue running for 20 seconds or so at maybe 3/4 the speed you normally would be able to before you start limping. Just enough to find cover and take meds in order to carry on fighting.

@certified0093

8 ай бұрын

This for sure.

@auklin7079

8 ай бұрын

It'd like to see a tripping mechanic. Anything that gives people with non-meta ammo more options.

@screwgoogle4993

8 ай бұрын

@@auklin7079 HEELLLL NO. "Haha i tripped isnt that fun" says NO ONE EVER. Go take a look at what people thought when Super Smash Brothers Brawl added tripping. A MUCH more "casual" game by comparison, EVEN when you include the Melee tryhards.

@auklin7079

8 ай бұрын

@@screwgoogle4993 Anything that gives people with non-meta ammo more options. getting 4 direct hits with 00 buck in the head, side, chest and legs should not give the other guy the opportunity to fire back lol

@TomatenDK

8 ай бұрын

and how realistic is that.... so u want to be untouchable untill u can hide and fill urself with 200K of stims and then go fighting agains the person hiding cause of low tier ammo/armor. Yeah...yikes !

Very true on the self audio. I can assure you as an RTO carrying at minimum a 50lb ruck I can walk so quiet as long as it isn't leaves, sticks, and gravel. Tarkov even a light weight stomps so loud it makes no sense. The sound in game gives me so much anxiety I can't tell what's an audio bug or a player camping my timmy quests.

I played more of a rat style because I was normally solo and wanted to have a survival rate over 25%. Also I was limited in the hours I was able to play, and found it too annoying to always be hunting down the rubles to replace my loadouts every 3 out of 4 raids on top of quest items on top of hideout items.

@theriveracis5172

6 ай бұрын

This is the biggest reason people rat. Is why I hate videos like this. It feels out of touch. I like that Tarkov is slower paced. I wouldn't touch it if it were full of PVP chads.

@prestonrobertson4415

6 ай бұрын

You should try looking into SPT. I personally don't use it because I just prefer normal EFT, but a while back I looked into it because I didn't have all the time in a day to play, grind money and do tasks. SPT is just a good alternative for people who like Tarkov but have a life, look into it.

@xhellraiserx1985

5 ай бұрын

@@theriveracis5172 for some reason they think everyone should just run around and make as much noise a possible so they know where you are and can engage you in a fight that suits their play style and mald and seethe when they die because they think everyone should play this game like its COD.

I was a rat in one point in time. My progress was from hatchling runner. When I started to learn the maps I became a ghost, just in and out avoiding confrontations. Then unwanted confrontations turned me into a rat. Sitting ang waiting for someone to pass just to make the environment safer by removing a couple of pmcs. Then I started observing movements while ratting, learning map spawns, directions, common paths, loot areas, quest areas ans so on. Something clicked and I evolved once again. Now Im more of a strategist. I flank a lot. I learned how to find the enemy back after disengaging. I am nowhere near the quick flick gamers, but i think Im doing decent. All this in a span of 4 wipes. Now I just do everything altogether. Depends on what the situtation needs. I become aggressive when enemy tries to run away. I become very careful if I engage a squad and change tactics on the fly, from ratting to full agro. I cant get the same satisfaction in any other fps games. The intensity of gunfights in tarkov hits differently.

@ygJameson

9 ай бұрын

word for word bar for bar

@FusionKota

9 ай бұрын

Agreed, my poor buddies aren't quite at far. I'm more the yeet myself into a situation and deal with the consequences later 😂 rat if I need to, run if I need to. I learn faster when I just throw myself into situations, not without thought, but more without fear I should say. Having confidence is the biggest game change you'll have if you start playing this game. Hopefully BSG unlocks the potential for the game soon, I'm tired of being put off by cheaters and shitty connection and terrible quality of life problems. One day it'll be magnificent

@cameronlamb1869

9 ай бұрын

welcome to the honey badger society

@pc4me67

9 ай бұрын

100% me... My sweet spot is the m700 with the m3 super and magnum buckshot rounds for that sweet sweet close combat. Its the best for when chads try bum rushing your sniping position and you constantly outflank them and squeeze them down with the shotty :) - this is my solo strat

@joshmiller9783

9 ай бұрын

One thing ive learned about tarkov is most people who play dont know anything about what tarkov emulates.

I would shift+w more if I could rely on the audio in the game, but I do prefer to play slower to collect more info on which route I need to take and what I'm about to run into.

@HxHorse

9 ай бұрын

Yeah I used to go running around everywhere because I could literally just rely on my ears but now it’s impossible

@paparoach007

9 ай бұрын

the correct way of playing Tarkov, like uncle Nikita wanted the game to be played.

@andreyz94

9 ай бұрын

a.k.a not playing@@paparoach007

@joshmiller9783

9 ай бұрын

Thats called being smart but gamers are the dumbest and most entitled group of people.

@chacka4292

9 ай бұрын

If you are solo and play active on streets/interchange or labs (best pvp maps) you will die every single time in current state of the game.

Tarkov is supposed to be a hyper realistic survival shooter. The most realistic thing a person would do if tarkov was irl, would be to camouflage themselves and wait for other people to walk by. W keying, not caring if you get shot, and doing self surgery to pull bullets out of yourself is the unrealistic part of tarkov.

@benjaminchandler3611

8 ай бұрын

Right?

@swappinqentertainment

6 ай бұрын

Tarkov is a video game. What about Tarkov is hyper realistic? Almost nothing except the weapons and gear. Are you telling me there are a bunch of hooded guys running around with poison knifes that will stab me in real life? Nope. All these “hyper realistic” changes make the game play slower, and only further frustrate a large portion of the player base. I.e. inertia, weight system, etc. it’s a video game, it’s not IRL. Lmfao.

@swappinqentertainment

6 ай бұрын

Even the recoil is unrealistic!! 😂🥴

@adamuadamu5081

6 ай бұрын

@@swappinqentertainment But I like all those 'frustrating' things you listed. I truly enjoy taking a W-players legs and watching him suffer. Dont take it away and make tarkov another shallow zoom-and-brrr game.

@swappinqentertainment

6 ай бұрын

@@adamuadamu5081 I think you and everyone who argues this point has a serious skill issue, and are coping with the fact that you wouldn’t be able to compete with any of the old players during pre-inertia times. Sad really. Seems with all the nerfs you clowns keep asking for such as locked containers, reduced and dynamic loot, high recoil, etc. We continue move further away from all the freedom that was given to players to allow them to play the game however they’d like. I like pvp and you like to rat. There is no reason you can’t rat without inertia, unless, well - you just suck. Pvp? Well it’s since been dead because of these changes. Now you can play the game the way YOU want, and the rest of us cannot. This is how you kill a video game. The only thing that is “frustrating” is your smooth-brained reply and moronic take on the state of Tarkov. Lmao.

It’s primarily the penalty of death and the bad audio. It’s why players absolutely play more aggressively on their scavs (zero risk of death). When you have better information you play more confidently. Places like dorms and the resort are absolutely terrifying to those of us without thousands of hours.

One of the most frustrating things is not understanding how much sound I'm making and from what distance the enemy can hear me.

@no.7893

4 ай бұрын

It's not just dealing with the loud sounds the player makes, but also thinking every little clink of metal, crunch of glass or stretch of fabric you hear is another player when it's actually just your player's fat ass.

I am a huge rat, I never once cared what people told me about it. The fun i get in this game is playing very slow. If i think I can get an advantage over you I absolutely will try to take it. I bring decent gear when I can, I slow walk in most buildings, I use my ears all the time and smoke things out. I love the slow play, win or lose.

@phantomtr1

6 ай бұрын

inertia is the best thing they did to this game. I think they still have a lot of work to do with all these CODers hopping around and gaming the jumping, etc.

@clamum9648

6 ай бұрын

@@phantomtr1I'd be totally fine with them completely removing jumping from the game (now that vaulting is in). If their aim is "realism" in the game, it makes no sense to have jumping in. How many SWAT guys or soldiers have you seen jumping around during helmet cam videos on Funker530? The jumping is just idiotic.

@FoxWJK

6 ай бұрын

@@clamum9648 I believe they should keep the jumping for people who don't use armor / light gear, Heavy gear nah, gonna damage them ankles quick. Maybe have it have a cooldown unless you're wearing no armor.

@kind2rethink

6 ай бұрын

​@@phantomtr1 nah its too much for fun gameplay also armor is quite useless when get 95% tapped in the head.. i argue that when it comes to actual fun combat cod is miles ahead and thats sad. Eft is ahead in everything unimportant but sucks at combat,recoil, armor sadge

@SaVaGe24

6 ай бұрын

​@@kind2rethink Then play COD, tarkov is the opposite of it, combat is meant to be minimal and dynamic. Cod recoil is trash in most cases no existent, it's arcade and that's not what tarkov is going for.

I dont understand why they dont implement a adrenaline rush system. Where painmeds dont work if you are not hurt and if you get hurt you can sprint for X more seconds before the limp start. You can make a new animation where your character will limp faster like a real person without a leg would but they could do something about it. They just don't want at this point IMO

@DamianStrider

7 ай бұрын

I had the EXACT SAME THOUGHT!!!! Literally!

@Zerli

7 ай бұрын

This would not change players behaviour, this solution is to shallow and meaningless in game the loop to have a real impact

@gabrielchcosta

7 ай бұрын

This should totally be a thing

@adamuadamu5081

6 ай бұрын

Isnt that what Elite lvl Stress Resistance does?

@DamianStrider

6 ай бұрын

@@adamuadamu5081 Yes and no, but as an elite skill it's like basically pointless AND it only activates at low health, so it sometimes even wouldn't activate.

I gotta say, that is finally a good summary for this playstyle. I agree basically in everything on this, I have to say however there is one additional reason, why people do this, and that you can see 2 ways. One says, it's "Skill Issue", so you're not good enough. On the other Hand, you can say, that you try to get better, but are just partially sick of (which was mentioned in the Video) the Game mechanics sometimes, where you get shot while already be safe, desync, peekers advantage and so on. So instead of always running into anybody, you getting more cautious, stand still at any sound that seems not to be yours, and wait. Ratting is something, that never will go away entirely and I think it shouldn't because, let's be honest, it is also realistic. When you hear shots, you rather stay put for some time to analyze and then maybe go on or wait. And yes, that can be annoying, but that is just a part of the game. And to be fully honest, if you wanna play "Run at each other and kill" all the time, you theoretically just start playing CoD

I think you said it best when you mentioned the audio. I’ve played so many other games with such great audio that when I try and play Tarkov consistently, i just end up sitting in one spot for 2-3 minutes just trying to figure out what is happening. If only crytek could share their audio with BSG

@NaderinZim

9 ай бұрын

It's actually just steam audio, you know, the one Tarkov dumped this year for Meta's experimental VR one? The fact they blamed steam audio and changed it to something worse, just because they refused to work on occlusion zones blows my mind.

@masterchief2669

9 ай бұрын

they want immersive audio not competitive meaning they dont want to give out audio that pinpoints the exact location of enemy

@kepiik4205

8 ай бұрын

​@@masterchief2669well, yeah its realistic to hear ppl running from 40m away with just some pair of active headsets in a combat zone outside or in the woods, but its not realistic to hear a military boots guy, loaded with loot run above or below me in dorms, yeah thats for sure how it works in real life x d

@chudwick8814

7 ай бұрын

That would be so Awesome, Hunt Showdowns actually good audio in Tarkov

@theriveracis5172

6 ай бұрын

I've honestly yet to have an issue with it. Though i never wear a headset in game, so maybe it's more consistent as a result

Sound. Footstep bug in particular makes every fight feel like you got ratted because people hear you when they shouldn't.

@killerbas40

9 ай бұрын

Also can't hear you when they should :( we love tarkov audio

Aside from all the points everyone raised, the new painkiller effect has further slowed down the game and caused more ratting. Now we can’t even move across an open area without any degree of player control without being completely blinded by PK blur. Great change BSG

I play as a rat cause everyone is already a gigachad with that high-tier loot. As a player who is level 10, I can't compete without getting no hits and getting one shot from far away. It's not fun and ratting is my only way to getting the stuff I need to get done.

I play slowly as if I were clearing rooms like we were trained to do IRL. It takes me back to that feeling of suspense and excitement. I play this game for its solid attempts at realistic combat scenarios. Cover&Concealment If it wasn't for adhd I would rat more.

@gabrielforsberg8744

7 ай бұрын

Couldnt have phrased it better myself!

@Saylesshomie

7 ай бұрын

Bingo

@Bladii_

7 ай бұрын

*cough* SPT *cough*

@chrisklugh

6 ай бұрын

Same boat. Everything that is COD I hate. Everything Tarkov is trying to be is not COD. But the community wants a COD game. They want reduced Pain Points. Its those pain points that make it feel the way it does. We do need to get rid of the hackers, and improve the net code, but ultimately, game mechanics that disincentives COD like game play, I'm pro for it.

A big part of it for me is the fact that I cannot play this game all day everyday like most streamers do. I used to hear a ton of streamers complaining about what (average) players were able to buy from the flea market. If you had the funds the sky was the limit. Well, the streamers got there way and in addition to the found in raid status you were also limited to what you could buy from the flea market. I only get to play this game on the weekends for a few hours with some friends. I typically never get to level 40 in a wipe because I do not have the time required to get there. So, I don't get max traders. The only way I could compete was to buy the gear from the flea. Last wipe I was able to achieve the highest rank I've ever been in this game. I've owned this game since 2019. I was able to get to level 38 and had around 52M rubles. This wipe I am currently a level 23, if I try to chad I cannot compete with the higher level and geared players. Even tasking is a problem, so I jump into a raid and rat for 70% of the raid killing any geared players that cross my path (this is the only way to get decent gear). I do my task more towards the end of the raid now. Get rid of the found in raid status and put everything back on the flea so the low-level guys can compete again. Don't tell me how awesome you are at tarkov when you play 24-7, use class six gear with the best guns and ammo. I gotta get through the game somehow!

@darrkhunter96

9 ай бұрын

5.45 BS rounds can easily be found in a single Scav raid and pen class 5 with ease. Sorry, but all that you wrote here is an excuse, no amount of "return to flee" would save you since you got no money anyway. You only gonna be ratting with better gear, that's it

@SoratiosIV

9 ай бұрын

another "i do this easily so other people shoud be able to do this too!" @@darrkhunter96 some people just dont want to shift W and die over and over and over, get over it. and some people also like @odarabla1 said dont have more than a couple of hours a week to game, getting things done and progressing is a good reason why people like to play this game, if people have to rat for 30 minutes and crouch walk/make no sound just so they can extract more often and get quests done. They will. and im proud of them for acually enjoying there game time.

@odarabla1

9 ай бұрын

@@darrkhunter96 Do you even play tarkov? 5.45 BS is terrible! I have video proof of exactly how bad it really is. Did you read my full post? 52M rubles is more than most players get ina wipe! I am not broke by any means and I typically don't run scav raids either! This is not an excuse. I didn't start ratting until after watching stankrat vids. I have no clue why you felt it necessary to attack me for my post. Early wipe I chad and destroy most other players evenly matched. My KD is typically at around 12KD early wipe chadding and questing . As the wipe progresses and I run into more and more geared players that tends to decline to around 7-8 at which point i tend to start ratting more. Good luck with you game

@tyguenot1446

9 ай бұрын

​@odarabla1 he apparently doesn't play often. Ammo is trash mid wipe. Everyone's wearing t4 t5. And it takes half a mag to down a man. I think I saw 11 hits 1 raid and I didn't kill the dude. BP and bs 5.45x39 Though you'll always have those people who never attended class but think they'll ace the final. He was legit just typing to waste time lmao.

@Rumplitschka

9 ай бұрын

@@darrkhunter96 You saying that 545 BS solves all the points he made is the real lame excuse here.

"Why do you rat?" Because I have lost every single gunfight I've ever had with a PMC and I'm more interested in surviving the Raid than getting in a gunfight and losing. Again.

Great video Jesse. Your quality seems unmatched currently! Cinematic intro, awesome visuals throughout to explain positioning and strategy. All while thoroughly explaining the topic at hand. Awesome work.

@WizCudder1

9 ай бұрын

And a BANGER thesis statement as the final line on the outro! 10/10

I believe this is the way the game was meant to be played. Realism is cranked to 11 everywhere else, and I have to imagine anyone facing someone like Killa in real life would not be sprinting towards the sound of his voice, or the sound of several very loud guns silencing the sound of several smaller guns and or screams in an abandoned mall, without being absolutely sure you knew what you were moving towards if it meant your life, or seeing your family again.

I would love to hear your opinions on how to fix the med system. Personally, I think all they have to do is add an auto-adrenaline dump. The first bullet that hits you should give you 5 seconds or so of adrenaline. That way if the opening shot blacks a leg etc, You have a small window to get to cover. It would make meds reactive instead of proactive. Give the adrenaline dump a 1 minute or so cool down, that way it doesn't keep resetting during a short firefight.

@AlwaysSaucedd

9 ай бұрын

He talks about this a lot with Veritas on their podcast, you should check it out! Lots of good content there they talk about all kinds of games shows movies life etc. focused around tarkov obv

@pizzarollking4397

8 ай бұрын

Agreed. Also have it consume a lot of energy and water as well as giving you tunnel vision effect after awhile. Adrenaline tends to mess you up after the dump.

@this1person1

6 ай бұрын

I think this is a good idea

The intro to this was some editing gold! I like the editing on this one a lot. I played quite a bit yesterday, mostly in resort, and was kinda surprised how wonky the audio was. A particular incident that stands out was hearing what sounded like a grenade behind me was actually in front of me and not all that close, this happened 3 times in a row.

How do you get those camera shots at the start?

I think it goes back to why people were constantly on pks before because it was the only way to use movement safety while still being able to fight. Like if somebody gets the jump on you but you are on pks you still have most of your mobility and weapon handling. Whereas if you aren’t on painkillers you loose mobility (blacked/broken limbs) vision(pain effect) weapon handling(shaking arms). If you move you die.

honestly what's the difference between Ratting and an Ambush which is a very real tactic? its the same thing setting up in a high traffic area waiting for the enemy to get the advantage in a fight. Definition of Ambush " a surprise attack by people lying in wait in a concealed position. "seven members of a patrol were killed in an ambush"

@SS0MAA

9 ай бұрын

"seven members of a patrol is killed by rats" sounds more tacticool

@G33ZLY

9 ай бұрын

There is no difference. The whole conversation is a “they don’t play in a way I’ve trained myself to defend against” mald by whiners. Period.

@TRUvoodoo

9 ай бұрын

Well, ratting and ambush are the same thing...but it started to get called 'ratting' because people don't like it so they want to give it a negative connotation. I think a lot of it stems from what makes the game fun. A raid with 10 PMCs all sitting in the same spot because they are 'setting up a technical ambush' is not fun because no one is going to have anyone to shoot at. A raid where 3 out of the 10 PMCs sit in the same spot for their 'technical ambush' is only fun for the 3 people at the mercy of 7. I think people understand that ambushes are a good thing in real life, because they give you an advantage, but at a certain point people just want to be able to go through hole in the wall without dying to someone who sat in a tree for 20 minutes. I like how in the video he kind of described 3 different scenarios. One is the person who waits for the sake of waiting and never makes noise, two is the person who gets in a fight but always holds an angle, and three would be someone who is looting or moving around, but hears someone else first and then waits for an ambush. I think the game is more fun for everyone in general if more people are doing number 3. But like he says in the video, the game is the way it is, and you do you, and it's more understandable now more then ever that people are ratting more. I personally have been playing very slow this wipe. Granted I started 45 days late and play solo.

Since 2017 this game has slowly turned more and more into call of duty. I may be the only one who thinks this, but personally I feel like if there was a timer for your pmc, like there is for your scav, this game would be more fun. The thrill of gear fear, and the risk of dying and having to wait until you can join again, making you work on your hideout/stash, instead of just W keying, dying, then re upping your meta kit to do it all again, sounds more like a real tactical shooter, and not a run n gun, call of duty game like the current EFT experience is.

This is the biggest problem I have ALWAYS faced for the last two years since I have been playing tarkov. I feel like anytime I hear someone, i don't hear them move again until i start stomping around and they can get a line of sight on me. It makes me want to rat knowing that every time I make a noise someone might just be sitting in a bush waiting for my next move. I think a solo player also is much more likely to rat since they have to try and get an advantage on squads. Also, id love to see a video with your opinions on how to improve these systems Jesse!

People don't want to die, the game is fairly hardcore when it comes to wins and losses.. that is simply it. Changing systems so that people feel like their risk of death is lower maybe helps but probably not. Game is made on prey vs predators. Nothing you can do, the player doesn't feel "forced" to play this way. We choose to play how we want.

@mikedebakker5820

9 ай бұрын

Then why does all of a sudden everyone, even the best players play this way? The game is obviously forcing people to play this way.

I think just general Fps on certain maps is a huge difference in how I play. Swinging a corner on factory compared to streets is very different. At even 70 fps on a good day gives me less confidence about pushing in comparison to 100 plus.

@CZProductions

9 ай бұрын

Frame pacing is also the biggest issue on something like streets, 70 fps isn't actually 70 fps on that map haha

Another thought, I don't play as much as some, and I know that there is a very good chance that if we meet in the open my bullets will probably just bounce off your armor while yours will ignore mine. This game punishes you for having a life like none I've played.

Yo i've got a question, how are you able to create such nice cinematics? Would love to do something similar for some longer edits i've been brainstorming

Love the video Jesse! My take would honestly be similar to yours in that the game systems are trying to push and facilitate 1 style of play. All of the additions to Tarkov as of late are all intense measures intended to slow the gameplay right down, almost as a reaction to the faster, more aggressive styles of play that have popped up over the years. Things like the headset audio re-work, inertia, found in raid ect. Hell even the new modular armor system that is arriving soon will force all players to interact even SLOWER as they dont have the same protection from high tier armors anymore, and are vulnerable to lower tiers of ammunition. All of these changes just want to slow the game right down to a snail's pace, and feel like a direct counter to the more shift+W styles of gameplay. I know from my experience of being a relatively new player on my 2nd wipe, it feels like nowadays the only way to learn how to play or build any sense of confidence, is to play the way BSG are so intensely pushing. I don't necessarily 'want' to play slow all the time, but when the game systems are so aggressively pushing that style of play and most PVP encounters are against either Veteran Tarkov players that know the map/systems like the back of their hand, or other people playing the BSG way, your almost conditioned to play like a rat if you started playing within ~3 wipes ago.

This video hit me hard man. You really summed up pretty much the plight of every average player.

This wipe we've generally noticed more "i sit i win" mentality. When we clash with a squad, someone dies, people take a moment to heal... afterwards the other squad just does. not. move. It's so common now, that we've adapted our playstyle to flush them out, or take a huuuuuge flank around them.

The reason I rat is because I'm new and I'm still learning the locations. I have noone really to play with so it's 99.9% solo for me. I go really slow and meticulous throughout the map finding out where to go to get good gear/quest items. I'm always slowly shifting, hiding, and crawling around other players. I avoid almost all possible confrontation unless I'm forced into a square off. The usual fight or flight premise , I'm swear at you via intercom and run like a Olympic sprinter on steroids away. I always play like I have the disadvantage so when it's time to shoot , I'm in the most optimal situation I can be in. I won a few, lost a lot, but it's that feeling of being a slippery snake that does it for me

Best take I’ve seen on the topic so far. Doesn’t demonize any playstyle but highlights all the underlying problems with the game right now leading to all the ratting. If people wanna rat, that’s fine with me. I just hate feeling like I’m being punished for moving and playing aggressively. For me, tarkov is at its best when I’m moving fast and pushing gunfights. Lately it feels like this fun playstyle is being shut down. I want more flexibility in how I approach the game but the game design is holding me back right now, at least to some degree.

@MrErizid

9 ай бұрын

The things Jesse, Veritas and all these other FPS "Gamers" view as "problems", I view as important and good parts of this game. I do not agree AT ALL with making the game more arcadey. COD exists. Arena will exist soon. Go play those game if you want more Shift-W. I play Tarkov because of how it is now, not because of how these streamers want it to be.

@kuntakentay6969

9 ай бұрын

The game is fine as it is. Nothing needs to be changed other than bugs and obvious game development issues. But in terms of playstyle the game is fine as it is. You can play either playstyle and do fine if played smart enough, and you can also fuck up either one too. If you want an open world/map with a large player count based on near realism, you can not ever have the conversation about whether you think a playstyle should exist or not. That defeats the entire purpose of the game lmao the best part about huge maps, hardcore semi realistic shooters (some more than others) like squad, hell let loose, and Tarkov is that you can run into someone anywhere at any time, whether you run into each other while both running around a corner or someone that happened to be looting inside a 2nd story building that may peak a window down the road and see me. Thats the beauty. Ratting is the most realistic playstyle anyways, so anyone complaining about it isnt fit for this type of game tbh. Like someone else said most people will rat and shift W, or if smart enough play a combo of both when needed or based on how you feel. Strategy will always beat agression

@ZeroMemphisto

9 ай бұрын

They're doing it to Squad also. Forcing you into milsim rather then arcade.. Now you can't play aggressive because it's almost guaranteed loss unless you truly know the in & out of the map

@cooldud7071

8 ай бұрын

@@MrErizid Funny how anything short of camping in one spot the entire match is viewed as "shift-w". There's nothing entertaining about playing like a little bitch and getting free kills from people that don't want to waste actual minutes sitting around.

A couple of things I'd like to add. First of all, the concept at the core of Tarkov is attracting people like me. People who are here for the high stakes and real consequence of dying. A core that encourages a slow pace and being careful. I avoid PvP, I consider my gear and my weapon tools of self defence and self preservation. I'm not here to PvP, I am here to survive. I kill in self defence. For quite a few people, Tarkov is not a PvP shooter, it is a PvP survival game, much like DayZ is. I don't get why people who are interested in fast gameplay and PvP are attracted to Tarkov, it doesn't cater to that. I remember the early days of Tarkov, where everything was a lot more quiet, and everyone were running around with low tier gear, and wearing a PACA was a luxury. I miss those days. Maybe Arena will move some of those people away, since Arena will offer the same unique gunplay as Tarkov does. I'm not a rat, in the sense that I sit still and wait for opportunities to kill. I move around quite a lot, but I avoid PvP as the plague. I only engage in PvP if I am pretty confident that I will come out on top, or because quests require me to. I never play Factory, I hate that map, and I avoid costums like the plague, as it does not have any "safe" routes for people who like to avoid PvP. Shoreline, Interchange and woods are my goto maps.

Loved the intro and music here! Awesome job!

The reason I rat sometimes or just avoid PVP -> I do not want to get killed, and wait another 20 minutes to get in another raid, that's it, believe it or not. The game has too many loading screens, matching sometimes takes long, and I usually wait 4+ minutes on other players to load, not to mention gearing yourself up for the next raid when you get killed, and I do not have too much time to play Tarkov. That's why sometimes I miss the pure action and go play CoD DMZ, because there if you die, you also lose everything, but it takes only a few minutes to get rolling again (and the reason why nobody rats in that game I believe).

Do you think any of it has to do with the questing system? As a new player, when I’m trying to get a quest done, I tend to just wait for other players to leave (so wait until the halfway point for the most part). I think if the game made it so if you find a quest item and die, then allowed you to “save your progress,” and you just needed to extract in your next game, you might find that people “rat” less. Hell, I’ve been trying to get those 40 meter kills for Jaeger for a while now, and at this point, I’m sick of walking around with a bolt action looking for scavs during the first half of the raid. If a PMC gets within ten meters of me, I’m effectively at a tactical disadvantage with a bolt action

@Hitchens_

9 ай бұрын

Too much quests rely on surviving or playing with shit gear and not so much quests let you keep progress while engaging in fights and dying in result, having a considerably bad raid but making a quest progress always feels good.

@jaden2758

7 ай бұрын

@@Hitchens_ thats why like the marked quests are honestly my fav, drop a mark at my target way 30 sec and if i die oh well atleast i did somthing

The audio, stamina and limb damage systems definitely contribute to the reason why most people stick to ratting I think the loot durability system also plays a role because I want your loot, preferably as undamaged as possible. Personally, I play with a "ratty" playstyle because I like to role play as a PMC in this game, I go slow, listen and ambush most of the time because that's just smart and good combat doctrine. There is definitely a time and place for aggressive repositioning and mag dumping but I would argue that's a better plan for squad play. I think changing some of these core systems (please god fix the audio) would make it fundamentally a different game; Fortnite/PUBG/Apex already exist if you just want to loot and scoot your way in to fights.

@dantemolina4481

9 ай бұрын

Saying go play another game is just a braindead arguement. The reason we complain is because we like tarkov because it is like no other game but at the same time we want certain aspects from other games to be implemented to make a better experience for everyone.

@j0gi

9 ай бұрын

@@dantemolina4481 See @LambofKnot21's comment, if you still think it's a braindead argument then you obviously don't understand the direction the developers are trying to take the game. I don't care what play style anyone uses on this game as long as it's not explicitly exploiting a bug or a bannable offense; if you do, this is not the game for you, that is my argument. If you advocate for infringing on other peoples right to play the game the way they want to play it, you're a giant baby who is in denial and I don't want you playing the games I play.

@dantemolina4481

9 ай бұрын

@@j0gi I don't care if people rat. I think all the playstyles should be viable. But the way the developers are making the game is forcing people to rat which is the negative part. All playstyles should be effective (like 2019-2020 tarkov) where you could play however you wanted and still have a good time.

@josephhammond8008

9 ай бұрын

When people talk about ratting it’s not talking about people playing tactically. Ratting which destroys the community is people sitting in bushes all raid. Camping in labs, extract camping interchange or d2. Those are the issues

@dantemolina4481

9 ай бұрын

@@josephhammond8008 Its litterally the opposite did you even watch the video? "tactically" should be a choice and not be forced upon you. The devs keep making the game more and more miserable for players who play fast so in the end everybody plays "tactically"

honestly i think the BIGGEST culprit is "found in raid" status followed extremally closely by cheaters

As a new player, I don't mind the casual rat (like me) who quietly goes around collecting loot and extracting without engaging if possible. But the ones who sit on objectives like on Ground Zero for the sole reason of killing Noobs or someone questing grinds my gears

@theriveracis5172

6 ай бұрын

Ironically, it's the same issue I have as with chads: It's not fun to get gunned down with no real chance to fight back, because someone brought a gang of 1.5m kitted psychos who will charge you first chance they get. At least if the rat fucks up, I can get them in an even fight. I tend to weep less about being ambushed as I do when I get pushed by a team in armor that costs more than I've yet seen in game.

For me it's not the Rats that ruin the Tarkov experience. It's the bunny hopping shift w's and the cheaters.

@dskinnerify

9 ай бұрын

oh no it's definitely people sitting in corners and bushes

@cmg575

9 ай бұрын

i too hate when people have mastered the mechanics of the game through thousands of hours of practice and play confidently

@Mongeon

9 ай бұрын

How is someone running ruining your experience ? the guy is just better than you with the game's mechanic and not scared

@Abrokensword

9 ай бұрын

Yeah, the game would be a blast if everyone started the raid, found a nice cozy bush, and posted up for 30 minutes without engaging with the map in any meaningful way.

@MrCjwolfe22

9 ай бұрын

Bunny hoping is not amechanic its an exploit

This wipe is actually the Chadiest I've ever been. Even got my first kappa container last week. But this game is definitely in a non-ideal state with hit reg/ audio. It's seems like I can never hear people full sprinting but walking and sneaking I can. But for me the worst is the desync of running to cover while getting shot at and then dying while decently into cover as if I never made behind it. Love the game but it sucks a lot when you killed/punished by server desync

Man, really well thought out video! As a casual solo player, I tend to be more on the rat side. I hadn't thought about these things the way you present them. Great vid

Another Kazam Banger. Fantastic video dude, really laid it out well!

“It’s the game that’s ruining the players” Sir Jesse Kazam. Mic drop

I still think the best idea is yours of having an automatic blast of adrenalin happen when you get hit so that you can react, even if it lasts 2-4 seconds

@yorgez

9 ай бұрын

It sounds too obvious that this is a good idea, so naturally bsg would never do it

I think the sense of realism tarkov tries to convei is actually why the playstyle is working as well as it is - i mean even in counter strike the people holding a spot have the advantage. Almost every military strategy evolves around taking and holding positions. Transfering that to a big map as opposed to most online shooters where you can anticipate where the enemy is hiding and not even ordenance like flashbangs can make you save. when you watch videos of swat teams breaching buildings every room needs to be cleared whith orendenance and multiple persons to minimize losses and its still the most dangerous thing that they could do and is avoided at all cost if possible. i do not play much tarkov but i also do not know how to turn this into a fun game without losing the uniqueness - if you rush into a room and somebody is already in there, you SHOULD die. If you run around a map of armed baddys without methodically checking all angles you SHOULD die. Looting the fallen teammates of squads .... you SHOULD die. making a noise in the vicinity of somebody already in position - you SHOULD die. getting hit in the leg without cover or someone to drag you away? you SHOULD die. Basically the rat style is what is actively promoted by the game itself and that clashes with the usual game formula that is used in online shooters but i guess that is what makes tarkov unique. of course Bugs should be solved but in the end it should not matter regarding the overall approach to this game.

@iceman47

5 ай бұрын

absolutely agree i'm dying lots but it's usually because one of those reasons. it is required to move tactically and actually scan the area before you make moves

There's tons and tons of campers in call of duty. As long as there's incentives to win a gun fight, there will be "rats" or "campers"

Such a good video! and a great topic too, thanks for the consistent eft content, Jesse!

I really appreciate the fact that you emphasized that the point...people create labels for other people based off of preconceptions on how the game "should" be played and largely motivated by the fact that it's easier to blame someone or something else rather than accept that the outcome ultimately was there decision (even if you have to go down to the level of the accuser making the choice to play the game in the first place, hence consenting the possible outcome of "losing".) This is entirely dysfunctional and toxic, and ultimately self defeating. The more that a person is labeled and targeted with an accusation, the more likely they will be to intentionally partake in that action in the future. Our monkey brain is wired to identify other packs of monkey brained people, create distinctions and conflict. When we create distinctions like this we unwittingly feed those mechanisms. We can also intentionally choose not to however, but it becomes harder to do when external social systems are reinforcing those behaviors. The point of this, is that people need to accept the fact that if they want the ability to shoot another PC while they are unware (under ANY circumstances) other people are going to be afforded those exact same abilities. I think when the audio is improved, but they also reinforce stealth movement options, make movement actually intuitive and easy (so winning fights doesn't rely on manipulation knowledge of exploitatively or broken mechanics) bring up the viability of mid tier protection and ammo while lower the availability of top tier (top tier post advanced hitboxes), and start treating the AI more like audio traps rather than laser beam bots, Add way more lower difficultly AI, you will see slow play, but you will see less camping...OH and they need to increase the randomness of loot spawn locations and rework spawn points (campers sit in one place because the game is super predictable)..you will see less incentive to camp and more vairability between slow and fast play in everyone overall. Great Video and really thank you for trying to inject some sanity into the world...oh and great opener....

I do not recall a single raid this wipe where my raid was ruined by a rat. But several of my raids have been ruined by meta, desync abusing full auto chads, and cheaters. But mostly the chads

@BombsAF

9 ай бұрын

"ratting is basically cheating" - a netcode abuser

Amazing Intro! Love your content!

I've been following you for years and this is the best video you've ever made. Critical but thanks to this video also understandable why so many players just sit there and do nothing. The game is unfortunately regressing massively and it hasn't been fun for a long time like it used to be. I hope Nikita and his people find a timely solution to the problems. I took a year break because it was absolutely no fun anymore and felt a lot of things have deteriorated. Thank you for this very good video.

@Yamaazaka

9 ай бұрын

Woah maybe top 10 videos. His best are his funniest vids imo. :)

I think the real reason people rat is a much more simple explanation. With ammunition in the game that can one tap anyone regardless of armor they are wearing and having it be craftable in bulk and findable on other player bodies with weapons that can fire an entire 30 round mag out in under 5 seconds, it comes down to this. PVP in Tarkov is not two people or a group of people in a long drawn out combat experience. 90% of fights happen and finish in the first 10 seconds with whoever sees who first. It’s built on a realistic standard of if you get shot with bullet? Then you’re most likely dead. Just one, or unlucky enough to be shot in the legs with one flechette round. Armor is like a luxury for those players who’ve played the game so much that money or getting out has never been an issue but it doesn’t really help them anyways since one guy (me) naked with a ten round mag of m61 and a vepr hunter with your name on it can one tap you and take the 1.1 mil money you wasted on your gear to ultimately sell to the traders since all I need is a functioning weapon and atleast some half decent ammo which isn’t hard to come by. Ratting has been pushed to the forefront of a lot of peoples play styles (because for a lot of people who don’t want to sink 300 hours into the game learning how to pvp correctly which is still just trying to learn how to one tap your enemy as fast as possible while being aggressive) it’s easier to just sit and wait for meat heads to waste their money and weapons. Is it right to play this way? Yes. Is it right to be a Chad? Yes. Anyway the game allows you to play is the right way to play. It just so happens that unless a lot is changed or added, the game will continue to steer players in this direction.

@Ashley-wi4ng

9 ай бұрын

If only chads played game would be boring is only rats played game would be boring, the vasty different approaches people take and the inability to know what your opponent is thinking is what makes Tarkov, Tarkov.

@i3lackfusion

9 ай бұрын

@@Ashley-wi4ngthe game would not be boring if only chads (or moving people in general) were playing. Actual fights are what’s fun about tarkov. Not getting 1 tapped by some random ass bush

@ss-wr9yg

9 ай бұрын

probably 90% of the player base will burn in with +20mill when it wipes anyways. Why would anyone care about loosing the specific gear or loot then? You litterally have to run 0 backpack raids for and eternity to not being able to making any kind of profit.

@Ashley-wi4ng

9 ай бұрын

@@i3lackfusion the suspense is also a large factor and if everyone was a Chad the map would be empty by 10 minutes and all the pvp would happen in 1 or 2 spots. The variety of playstyles and players is what makes the game great. Your describing COD why are you not playing COD?

@Ashley-wi4ng

9 ай бұрын

@@ss-wr9yg exactly this is why people only generally have gear fear first wipe maybe two. Either that or they don't make it past lvl 15 but once they actually play a wipe their gear fear goes away and if your a lvl 40 Chad and you die to a leg meta lvl 9 that's on you. I play like a Chad when I'm over 60% sur rate I drop below and I usually just start doing loot runs and avoiding pvp. Also as a solo player if I hear a squad I can't avoid I'm gonna set up to ambush you no matter my sur rate. Being a Chad isn't just being dumb and always pressing w like some seem to believe, probably cause they have adhd.

Spot on. I would add lighting and the short TTK all encourage slow or no movement

Love your content, Jesse! Keep it up! 🧡

I like the tactical game play of tarkov. Move, stop, look, listen, and repeat. Quietly moving from place to place and i let more people run by than I engage. Scaving is the playground for me.

@joshmiller9783

9 ай бұрын

Streamers are just mad that they die now. You have to be a truly stupid person to be really mad at someone executing an ambush. Theres a reason the ambush is extremely effective and used by the top of the top special forces. Streamers that play tarkov really just want cod.

@pyrosupreme4473

9 ай бұрын

@@joshmiller9783It's so effective because there's no counterplay. You either heard them move into the bush or you didn't. And if you didn't then you're getting sent to the stash. That's why people don't like ratting so much right now, no counterplay. You just gotta take it on the chin and go to the next game

@joshmiller9783

9 ай бұрын

@@pyrosupreme4473 yes thats how life works sometimes... just take it on the chin and move on. This game has really shown me how pathetic and entitled most gamers are. Its really funny honestly watching people cry and cry and cry about an effective tactic because they arent patient enough to look through the bushes or simply move to a different area. Like maybe most people who play tarkov should just fuck right the fuck off an go play animal crossing or something. Actually most tarkov players should go play arena breakout since most tarkov players want a game they can play mindlessly and thats not tarkov.

@mikedebakker5820

9 ай бұрын

@@joshmiller9783 You people are the reason this game will die. You keep acting like it's a good thing when the game forces you to not move at all, the fights have literally become about whoever holds still the longest wins. People will get tired of that shit, this game used to be so fun but it's just a joke now.

@pyrosupreme4473

9 ай бұрын

@@joshmiller9783 I think you're getting what you ask for, Tarkov hasn't been doing well the last year, players have been leaving in droves

For me, I rat for a few reasons. The audio is one, but a bigger one is the fact that I almost always play solo, and more often than not i run into duos or groups. So ratting gives me a bit of an equal footing. Also I'll rat if i need to get kills with specific weapons, since that reduces the likelyhood of me dying and losing said weapon.

@imyournme6632

6 ай бұрын

@@pegg00 Cope, i play solo 95% of the time. I don't rat, i take on groups if i feel like i can and i pass by them or move around them if i can't. If you rat through entire raids, you just suck at the game and you wanna hold on to the prestige in your ego that you can kill some people sometimes in the hard game of eft.

I still wish that an adrenaline system that activates when shot instead of pks would be huge improvements.

very good video in my opinion. especially regarding the general volume of sounds. your own looting basically gives you a headache... or makes you turn up and down the audio volume every time you open/close a box, just excepting that you cannot hear sh*t anyway while looting.

To be honest, I see the point @JesseKazam is making here... However, as a person that comes from the military I have a difference of opinion about a couple of his points. 1) I agree, that if you remove cheaters, fix the audio, and net code issues Tarkov would be a much better game. But, fixing those issues will also enable true Rats to Rat more effectively. A rat's goal is to avoid all PVP if possible unless you are specifically hunting players. Better audio, no walls and aimbot hacks only make it easier for rats to maneuver more effectively without detection. 2) For all the True Chads... if you really just like this game for the PVP FPS aspect, you are better off going to a point and click shooter. Most complains about dying in this game come from Try Hard / Sweat Machines that get furious anytime they die, simply because they don't know how to except the fact that someone got lucky and or is better than them. So be Default these players blame ratting. No matter where you go in the FPS community, these Chads/Complainers exist, and they always will. 3) Lastly, the amount of chaos and confusion in this game is similar to real world applications of these situations. You can't always hear everything, and accurately, and random shit happens on a battlefield that no one can predict. Yes Tarkov needs to fix the Cheating, Audio, and Net Code, but so far Tarkov is the most realistic FPS I have ever played, and even with it's faults is more similar to a real world fire fight and combat experience then it's currently give credit for.

I avoid camping. It's so boring and fundamentally that's sending a message to myself that I'm just afraid and unsure of - not my skill -, but how the game is gonna behave. So when I start to camp more than usual, it's usually because I keep dying again and again to unfair and utterly stupid things. And next thing you know I'm not even playing the game anymore because I'm not gonna sit in a bush for 30min. That's stupid. Hence, according to this train of thought, people who rat, at least in some level, they do enjoy to rat. When I rat and win, I'm never happy about it. I feel like I just cheated. Free kills are stupid! And only stupid people feel happy and deserving of free kills.

@pyrosupreme4473

9 ай бұрын

No dude, getting kills with no counterplay is totally fun and engaging for both parties, haha..

@CeceliPS3

9 ай бұрын

haha @@pyrosupreme4473

@UncleTwoTimez

9 ай бұрын

Big cry

bro ur so right on the painkillers part, this wipe i feel so much less agressive, cuz i cant pre painkiller fights or just straight up have 1 on all the time cuz if i do i cant spot ppl and i cant see anything properly

I have a point I’d like to make here. Back when ADS did not make any noise, many folks claimed that it was too strong and helped the rats rat. Rats rat because everything is audible. If they even turn left and right there is a shuffle, if they ADS there is an audio cue. I believe that if people were able to move much more freely without making any noise, they would. The absolute second that people hear something, they plant. Most of the time, they don’t deserve that audio cue to begin with. For example: Hearing someone enter first floor health resort when you are on the 3rd floor. Boom, they plant their ass right where they are at to get more information. I think the game would be better if it provided 50% less of the audio information we get now. People wouldn’t be so scared to move, and there would be more of a surprise when you run into people because you didn’t hear everything they did. Audio in tarkov has always basically been built in wall hacks (with the exception of staircases). I think there are a handful of actions that should only be audible if you are within 10 ft. EX: ADS, shuffling, inventory, being out of breathe, etc. Then you have the next stage that should only be audible up to 25 ft like prone movement, popping painkillers, drinking, etc. TLDR: Audio is without a doubt way to strong in EFT. Rats are afraid to move because it gives out too much info.

Awesome video Jesse! always love the content and always bring up good points! Like you said in the past when you cant trust what you see, you cant trust what you hear, and the pk system punishes that it definitely pushes for people to just sit and wait. What I have been finding lately is myself as the player makes so much noise that to hear anything I need to be silent and when the only way to be silent is to sit it does make it hard. I often find myself in fights just waiting for sound cues when I wish i could just push the guy but I know hes just in a corner. When I end up running into people like that I dont even fight and I just leave. It is not fun, but id rather have a fair fight than one where hes just gonna sit in a corner and not move. Part of me understands it, they may not wanna fight because they have a quest item or something but at the same time it just sucks. Again great video keep it up!

Hi Jesseeeeeeee :D Love the vids, wish I could hop into the twitch channel more often these days but the job's keeping me too busy. D: Hope the fam's doing well, keep doing what you do.

@jesse the rat triangle with ears and whiskers made me choke on my drink. You almost killed me

I totally agree with this. I find it very intressting especially how diffrent play styles go head to head. Yk a w keying chad vs a more flank oriented tactical playstyle is always a very intresting fight to watch. however i feel like the slow "stay put" style is the worst when they meet head to head, just because the fight is always 2 ppl sitting around for 5 min then one saying fuck it and pushing into a 40 - 60 or worse fight because they get so bored. Just isnt engaging

Great video mate! And you are totally right about this. Some of us old players remember before the new audio, telling friends who wanted to get into Tarkov that the 2 most important things to learn are audio and map knowledge. Then they took one of those things away from us. If they worked on sound and got it fixed, which I'm sure they are, the game will be so much better. One controversial way to do this is to just turn up our natural hearing a little bit, and get rid of cans. We need the FIR system to combat hatchet runners, buying quest items on the flea, and RTM. But ratting will always be a thing. I've always said the worst part of multiplayer games are the other people. P.S. To get rid of real rats, remove the impact nades... that will help.

@MrErizid

9 ай бұрын

Ahhh yes, the old audio. Where you could hear every player's exact position in factory at all times. I certainly don't want that back. I know lots of people don't want that back. If you want that back, go play Hunt: Showdown.

Can't wait for the improvement video :D you make alot of sense

Extremely good video showcasing the current issues. The Stankrat - Lvndmark rat scale is pretty funny though considering lvndmark isn't really the chad he used to be. The man walks everywhere and goes silent when he hears someone. It's actually amazing how much his playstyle has changed during the last 3½ years. Desmon or Glorious would have been better

Ratting is popular because it has a lower skill level requirement versus true PvP (where both sides are aware of the other and are actively firing and repositioning). By design Tarkov can have a very low TTK with the win often going to the player who spots (or hears) the opponent first. Ratting results from players logically tring to maximize their advantages. Personally I am not skilled enough to have a decent win/survive percentage when engaging in PvP, so I will typically avoid it unless required by a quest. When that happens I will try to find a tactic which either improves my odds and/or reduces my gear cost. This often results in ratting behaviour. There's also something satisfying in taking down a better geared (and likely better skilled) player with a cheap kit.

@toby6984

9 ай бұрын

Using cheap kit doesn't mean you have to rat, when I first started this game I was so bad but I didn't start ratting, instead I tried to improve, now I'm a shiftw player with 50% surv rate and 4.5 kd, not that high, but also not too bad, being rat is just refusing to get better

@joshmiller9783

9 ай бұрын

Its called an ambush lol. Low skill or not theres a reason its done. Gamer brain makes you dumb dude.

@paparoach007

9 ай бұрын

I like how you say "Ratting results from players logically trying to maximise their advantages" but I think it rather in fact comes from necessity than logically. No logical person would sit in a bush from 20+ minutes to wait for players to come to them or to completely disengage from any PVP and try and get some loot, it just doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. I mean if they are newer players and haven't been playing Tarkov that long I can understand that, but for long time players to switch up their gameplay style in such a way as a Rat also makes no sense. I remember my first few weeks of Tarkov back in 2017/18 that shit was terrifying but it's nothing like it is today. Veritas made a decent point on one of his streams the other day that Ratting or Camping is a form of strategy, it might not be the most likeable of strategies or ways to play the game but there are a lot of ways to play the game and there is no "right way" to play Tarkov. I think it's just for the simple fact that when you die to someone who camps or sits in a bush it hurts way more because you lose all of your gear and get sent back to the main menu - then rinse and repeat. But A LOT of players like to embellish about cheaters and Rats and Chads but I look at my own experiences with over 5000 hours in Tarkov and compare it to theirs and I know they are talking schit, it's all anecdotal bullshit. I do agree though that killing an enemy when you have a cheap kit and they are juiced-up-to-the-nines, it definitely gives me a twitch and a rush for sure 😄

@joshmiller9783

9 ай бұрын

@@paparoach007 i literally just watched a video of kurdish forces that waited behind a rock for im guessing a lot longer than 20 minutes and guess what? They killed all 7 fully geared turkish soldiers. Lol again you like most gamers dont knoe shit.

I can't emphasis how validated I feel watching this video. I'm a pretty decent fps player, I've played other milsims, and while I have some gear fear for sure, I think I could get over it. The biggest thing keeping me from coming out of my shell is knowing that my opponent can hear everything I'm doing, and I never feel like I have the upper hand unless I sit still and wait until I know exactly where they are. I'm scared to push in to places because anyone already there is going to hear me first. Sometimes I'm scared to make a move at all because the moment I touch an escalator, I'm accepting that if someone is behind one of those corners they are going to hear me and I will probably die since I have no cover. I don't like taking those kinds of risks where I won't have any chance to counter play.

that intro was beautiful, great video jesse, as always!

Yeah, I feel like having a built in adrenaline response to getting shot that maybe makes you move slightly slower but still able to sprint/move to cover would be very cool

The audio in EFT is the issue. I think you need to hear footsteps more clearly, most of the time you can but it takes A LOT of time to pinpoint everything. I play Valorant in 2 matches I was pinpoiting locations. It is OK to staystill and wait it's part of the game but walking slowly or crouching should be listenable from a range in a clear way. That way players will not rely on it too much

@MaxPalaro

8 ай бұрын

I make my words yours, I commented before watching

i personally do a little of both, i enjoy sniping, but i also enjoy pushing dorms, or stronghold, or resort. Exfill camping is where i draw the line though.

I was a rat (or a very careful player i would say) when i was a rookie, when i didnt know maps, spawns, recoils, etc ... and especially when i was so frighten by a gearfear, because i didnt know how to make money. Another problem that resulted from the previous ones - was directionless aka no goals were set before raid. What should i do this raid? how to get to poin X, where to go to farm rubles? how to fight? The way to solve it was - set a goal - open the map - pick up a route - do no matter what to accomplish it, even if it is fighting or going to a location where i never was. The goal is the marked room in the dorms but i hear gunshots inside? Fock it! im in! Lets go!

I think people also forget that pvp is just one aspect of tarkov. I’m not going to aggressively swing a pmc when I’m working on a quest or have items I need for quests. I’m going to “rat” until I know what’s best or until I feel confident I can win an engagement or get away. Pvp doesn’t earn xp as fast as tasking or questing so I’m not going to waste xp per raid when I only have a couple of nights to play per week.

Only time I’m pvping is if it’s unavoidable or for a quest. Not everyone has 12 hours a day to push for kappa/lightkeeper/etc, but I still want to experience that content so mindless dorms pvp raids take a back seat. People race to endgame nowadays and then whine when there’s nothing to do.

The sole reason for ratting is too few extract points. If there would be more viable extracts then ratting is not a viable strategy. Some maps only have 2 or 3 extracts where you don't have to a) leave your backpack b) need a scav c) need a red rebel, etc. Therefore you have a high chance that if you camp an extract, people will come bring you free loot whilst you are sitting in a bush. I seriously don't understand how not more people see this as a problem.

@GoingRampant92

9 ай бұрын

Spawns and extracts are the #1 and #2 in the dumb shit of tarkov. They're half the reason the game feels so toxic at times.

@fajnejhajnejcz2668

9 ай бұрын

Ratting does not equal extract camping. Those are two different things. Most rats (look up stankrat) rat somewhere with high traffic like Lexos on streets.

@Ashley-wi4ng

9 ай бұрын

Has absolutely nothing to do with too few extracts and on all but woods and shoreline adding more extracts will not change high traffic areas.

@ThatOneCWhite

9 ай бұрын

honestly fixing smoke grenades would be a massive hit to spawn camping. you can block off enemy sniper line of sights with the downside of announcing that you're extracting. that way if a player tries to chase you down for PVP, it'll be a fair fight rather than a rat sniping you from a hundred meters

@wouterzonneveld2305

9 ай бұрын

@@fajnejhajnejcz2668 Fair enough ye it doesn't equal extract camping, but I feel like extract camping is the most despised way of ratting. Getting rid of that form of ratting would already be a huge improvement

I was just thinking about starting EFT for a couple of days/ a week. Is the game's state this bad or can it be enjoyed as a total newbie solo? Thx in advance.

@Califreak36

5 ай бұрын

Kind of late to reply but I just recently started playing (with some friends who have thousands of hours) and even with them it takes some time to learn mechanics, maps, loot management and gun play. Anytime I play solo I manage to survive for about 2 minutes before I’m back in the lobby lol but I think the learning curve is part of the fun

Good video with some great points. I would add that solos often play slow because there are so many squads that are playing. Arena should help people improve their PvP gameplay which will hopefully translate to EFT.

@BBlaze.

6 ай бұрын

Funnily enough I hadn't played EFT for about 2 years when I got arena access and started playing again (bought EFT december 2017). Arena re-taught me to play slowly for information like a rat. It had the opposite effect on me. Sitting in a corner wins you matches. Pushing into another pushing player is basically a 50/50, running into a "rat" is even worse odds. There's little to no incentive to be aggressive, and even less so in the base game.

stank makes tarkov a better place. The age of the chads is over. not all of us get paid to play this game 10 hours a day.

@MHScald

9 ай бұрын

Amen brother 🙏 on god

@xoTaken

8 ай бұрын

won’t be long and you’ll be playing a grab loot simulator that has no roadblocks other than scavs

@Redhood91007

8 ай бұрын

@@xoTaken maybe if landmark cries hard enough theyll patch the bushes next 😂

I guess the reason I rat is because I think Tarkov is supposed to be a survival game Encounters, especially with other human players should be rare and very scary i feel like too many players want this game to be this military sim, shooting combat game, but i think with all the survival mechanics, and the aesthetic of the world and environments, the game should be encouraging rats and making it VERY hard for people to play with a pvp only playstyle I feel like this will be better when arena cones out, case all the shift w chads will go pvp their hearts out there and the people than want to play tarkov for what it is (a survival game) will be left to play in the open world maps

@joshmiller9783

9 ай бұрын

It is a survival game. Just most gamers are really to dumb to understand survival against humans aint the survival dumb gamers are use to. Seriously gamers in tarkov are the literal worst in the entire industry. So goddamn entitled.

@Rumplitschka

9 ай бұрын

Yes, whole heartedly agree, the way it is shown on streamer tv player and developer perception as well as expectations started drifting apart. Let's hope that Arena will satisfy the needs of the fast paced FPS crowd.

@Fuphy

9 ай бұрын

​@@Rumplitschkanah the appeal of this game for pvpers is the risk of losing it all. Without that the pvp is pretty poor with low player agency. Killing scavs and bosses became super boring thousands of hours ago for us

i got 500+ hours and like you said about the sound auto literally makes we peek and wait for a player because it sounds like their right next to me when they are across the map lol

I am here to say I would love to see a video delving into the problems with stamina/painkillers.

the idea that EFT is a "PVP focused" game or in anyway is "a competitive FPS" is a cancer to this community, yes PVP is in the game and it is an important game loop, but it is not the core of this game; trying to force this game into being a competitive FPS shooter will continue to rot our expectations for the game. All of your points are solid and I agree, this is just my 1 cent :)

@agronnak

9 ай бұрын

While true, it still is better than ratting. Imagine if every one just ratted and exfil camped lol what a miserable dead game it would be. But all BSG does is to try and convert people that move(not talking about CoD W keyers) into rats. Where are the changes to bushes? Make them less dense. Make it possible to at least be able to see if someone's there when you're looking at them.

@reganevans1330

9 ай бұрын

@@agronnak ”imagine if people in the Bermuda Triangle are time traveling” as long as the PVP has painful consequences, people will rat, game is hard people try to make it easy for themselves. Playing the game actively is meant to be hard, granted the game is making it hard to do that, but as long as the game is hard, people will rat. People think they want Tarkov, but they want CoD.

@agronnak

9 ай бұрын

@@reganevans1330 I don't disagree. And playing slow is just as acceptable as playing aggro. My only problem is with exfil campers, bushwookies and people that don't move at all. At that point, are you even playing?

@reganevans1330

9 ай бұрын

@@agronnak yes, because the game allows you to. You call them “campers and bushwookies” but some military strategists would call it “setting an ambush” but what would those Military losers know, right? You want CoD, not Tarkov; you want a singular avenue by which all players are expected to play, IE moving and shooting and no waiting or “ratting”. Guess what… that is not and will never be Tarkov. Tarkov is a SURVIVAL game first and an mmorpg second, which is being show through the lenses of FPS style game play.

@tyguenot1446

9 ай бұрын

​@@reganevans1330100% agree with your initial statement. Though it doesn't mean you have to resort to ratting. Just playing the game slow and walking point to point makes it a whole lot better. I only run when I'm trying to find cover. Other than that I walk around the map and it keeps me at a 3.5kd

I don't feel like people rat more than they did before, maybe sliiiiightly compared to previous wipes. I feel like it is just something to complain about because people have multiple thousands of hours and get a bit bored/annoyed by certain playstyles or when things go wrong for them

Loved the opening to the video!

On the netcode topic: You will never fix netcode. The way Valorant 'fixed' netcode is through map design, leveraging the concept of angle advantage to counteract peeker's advantage. In order to avoid "rats" gaining an advantage by being stationary, you have to clear rooms by slicing the pie. Slicing the pie is even done in the tac shooter I mentioned on a professional level to avoid getting popped by someone holding an off angle.

Playing Tarkov how it's meant to be played. How the devs want you to play this game. How the lore of the game wants you to play. It means you play as a rat.

@coltk2457

9 ай бұрын

I rat when I’m broke lol

@ThatOneCWhite

9 ай бұрын

have a feeling you didnt reach the part where Jesse explains why ratting isn't tactical gameplay and that there's a difference between having/executing a plan and sitting in a corner until someone runs into you

@dinkinflicka5750

9 ай бұрын

@@ThatOneCWhiteif I know someone passes through this particular route at a high percent per raid. Me waiting at an advantageous point near that route becomes an ambush and that is considered tactical.

@ewdd12

9 ай бұрын

Setting an ambush is a valid military and hunting strategy as old life on earth. So it's stupid to put myself at unneeded risk when I can sit and wait. Tell me why I should come to you so you can kill me when I could just sit in a bush and blow your knees off and get all your loot.@@ThatOneCWhite

@erikskytt1

9 ай бұрын

This is 100% correct. Its a tactical shooter. Use everything in the game to Your advantage. No matter how. In real life. Noone would run and jump like a bunny and shoot mid Air. Never. Yes 100% stankrat and exfil are just toxic kids with little skill. But “ratting/ tactical gameplay” should be the main thing. Imo the game needs to be slowed Down more, and we need more inertia and more disadvanteges ingame. Tactical shooter. And yes. Its hard to make a perfect game where thats a thing. But hopefully 1 day. Play like you want and have fun. In the end. Its a game. Games are made for us to have fun in our spare time. Great day all.

I’m just coming back to Tarkov, haven’t played since 2020. What’s the painkiller change that makes people not want to pre-pop them?

I had a huge rat moment on streets last night. I was looting a house when a stacked two man came waltzing through the park outside. I had a Mosin and a crappy smg due to being brand new to the game. The two man had a HK and a modded out AK. Instead of taking the impossible 1v2 with a shit smg I waited until the 2 man settled in a "secure position" and head shotted the AK guy. Then I waited for a bit, crossed the park, and took position inside the building right near to the body. When the second man began to attempt leaving I was just able to take him out with my crappy smg after about 25/30 shots I flung at him. I was able to pack up the goods and get them home for the most profit I've seen since starting the game yesterday. Ratting feels bad but really the game is all about getting the first shot rather than pushing and taking every fight.

The thing about ratting is that it's inevitable in 1v1's. But ratting players lose in squad fights. In a 3v3 you might lose one player, but being the more-practiced PVPers will win you the remaining fight once the gig's up.