Properly tuned bow, sharp broadhead... probably solves most issues if people have any. Troy speaks the truth

The answer to these arrow flight issues are simple but dynamic. It's the same as long range hunting with a rifle. You have to make sure it's shooting straight, then find the heaviest projo you can and throw it is fast as you can for YOUR preferred range and environment. It simply takes measuring and playing with number and ballistics calculators until you find the sweet spot for YOUR setup.

@twc6771

2 жыл бұрын

It exactly like shoot long range with a rifle I really don't understand why people want to dispute the process of tuning your arrow so that they will perform in a lot more proficient manner it's as simple as a donut with a hole in it the more in tune you are with trying to. Make your arrows a best that you can possibly get them will in turn make a you as a individual a better shot and a hunter attention to detail makes a big difference in what ever you are trying to have a positive outcome in.

God love Ranch fairy 🏹🧚🏽

Burnsworth doesn't seem to understand simple physics.

Hey Folks, there was an error with the upload and its missing all the accompanying slides, the re-uploaded video can be found here and has all the Slides for you to read!: kzread.info/dash/bejne/Zoqoj7uAk7vMaNY.html

Great video

I feel like the “60 yard elk” argument is propagated by marketing. The ability to shoot accurately at 60 yards is one that’s come around recently with technological advancements in bows. The bow companies and arrow companies tell you that you need speed to reach that elk that’s across the canyon. The fact is you probably shouldn’t be shooting that far anyway; not only from an ethical standpoint, but also because in the field you have more factors impacting your ability to make a good shot compared to your backyard.

@stephenballard3759

Жыл бұрын

Yes. That speed only helps you gut-shooot elk, get weak penetration, zero blood tra, etc.. A lethality-enhanced arrow will give you an exoit wound, better chance at hitting deep or angled vitals, better chance at broken bones, better chance at a bllood trail, better chance at a lethal deep muscle hit, better chance at death through DIC or abdominal comparing syndrome, a better chance to examine your arrow, etc. If it was true, it would be impossible to kill anything with my 180 fps trad bows over 18 yards, and I got news for ya..... I have.

Math and science are hard to argue with. Your experience is just that, your experience. Some people can get great results but cannot tell you why and some people can get good or bad results and be able to explain why. Burnworth is a specimen of a man stands about 6'4" or so and has a 30" plus draw length (the juicer). Not exactly your average bow hunter. I've seen him shot and he is a crack shot with a bow. Us mortals need somebody that can actually explain stuff to us and give us something that is repeatable for the average person. Let's face it, the average person makes up most of the bowhunter community. Folks like Burnworth are a one off.

BOWHUNTERS ( people who put meat on the table) THE INDUSTRY ( people who put profit margins on their table) That argument shows it clearly 19:00-22:? Mins. Alot of talk that proved nothing other than pushing industry celebrity status around, spouting accomplishments etc. Bowhunters should understand the physics for the lethality aspects of it. Bowhunting is an up close and personal endeavor. The industry does not speak at all about the bowhunters ability to stalk to within closer ranges. Closing the distance and learning about the physics of these closer distances is end game. Bowhunting! Industry sells, promotes , wants the narrative to be lighter, faster F.P.S. Numbers etc. speed speed speed. This is not bowhunting this is the sport of archery. Ridiculously reflexed risers designed to allow the compound bow to hit high advertised FPS numbers ( which dont match the manufacturers claims) have become so prevalent that the only way you can be somewhat decent with such awkward geometry is to have an open palmed neutral grip ( target archery) an entire generation falling for this BS! Do you see trad hunters gripping bows like this? No because they are real world bowhunters who are BOWHUNTING. Not trying to hopefully hit an animal at distance. Hitting an animal at longer distance seem to be the norm. But what about after the shot. Do you think these industry celebs show the wounded, maimed animals that got away? No they dont. They air only the successes or edit it in. Making people believe that longer shots are the norm. What do you need to make longer shots? Velocity. How fast is your bow? This years line- up is even faster, get you one! So you can HIT animals. The HIT is prevalent. Not the kill. Hitting the target is the sport of archery. The celebrity worked his way up to the velocity and speed point, it pays the bills. Troy is purely a bowhunter. Physics to kill. Straight up physics with data to back it up on how to effectively kill game, put them down, lights out, fire up the grill physics. Not just merely hoping to hit a target. Missing makes money, wounding game makes money. The fastest latest, greatest, flies like a field point makes money. The ability to stalk, the ability to put arrows thru the game. Is bowhunting. The rest is shooting at animals. Troy is not wrong but he’s up against an industry that does not want him to speak. He has a huge mountain ahead of him. Bowhunting and archery are two different mindsets and two different economies the only similarity is the bow.

Almost the same idea as pool. Heavy ball, light stick. Your not playing with a ping pong ball and a solid 2" steel rod.

So what you're saying is....I need to hunt deer with a tank! Thanks Troy!

@JH-hx2cl

8 ай бұрын

huh?

I think there is one mistake by Jim that he either did not explain well or just doesn't have an explanation for. Yes an arrow will "stabilize" regardless of spine or whatever. The error is when an arrow leaves the flight path even if it returns to the direction of flight it has walked off course by a small percentage causing it to be on a parallel course to the projected course. The archer assumes the result as projected flight course and if each and every arrow is shot the same the impact point will be a predictable location. So I think Jim's argument for what he see's is correct in that the arrow corrected itself however to be able measure how far off the flight path it walked before correcting itself. Human element changing the shot could cause a more dramatic change in impact point. So both gentlemen have a part of this puzzle.

@brads5065

2 жыл бұрын

There is also the little thing that the air is not a uniform media. Wind, thermals, vorteces, the air is filled with pockets of high or low pressure that will push or pull on a broadhead as the broadhead passes through. That's why arrows need fletchings and bullets need rifling. If the air was uniform, they'd fly perfectly straight as long as they were launched straight, but it isn't.

There’s a whole lot of yammering about flightpath and getting off flight path and back on flightpath blah blah blah. They’re both only maybe half right. Once that arrow has left the bow, it’s corse is set. Except wind or atmospheric conditions. I’ll even argue that an overly stiff arrow will be farther off its mark than properly spines arrow when archery or equipment inputs are equal but off. That wobble Fairy Troy is yapping about, at least some of it, is absolutely beneficial to to keeping the arrow closer to its intended target when bad inputs are made.

uhhhhhhh if you push a car with the wheels turned, but you want it to go straight........ its not going to go straight. c'mon elephant shooter guy. read up on some physics plz. thats all. ranch fairy, i appreciate your patience.

I don’t know. I never try to just be average at anything I put my effort too. I love hunting, and when it comes to archery, I try to be the best I can. I don’t think it’s that hard to learn how to become really good with a bow. I heard Troy mention that he doesn’t take shots past 40 yards. I mastered the 40 yard shot in my first month of archery as a complete newb. 40 is nothing, 50 is easy, 60 requires proper form, and beyond that it takes skill, and gets considerably more difficult. But 40? At 40 I can have all three pins (20,30,40) covering vitals. Then I look at someone like Aaron Snyder who killed a coues deer at 176 yards with a compound. That’s insane levels of skill.

@davidholliday2703

2 жыл бұрын

Yes Aaron who has sponsors and does this stuff for living vs most hunters who have to take vacation from work and have precious few days in the field and have to work jobs not related to hunting. Yes those guys. I don't need to know how good Snyder is, that does not help me at all.

@progradepainting3755

2 жыл бұрын

@@davidholliday2703 that’s your problem if you don’t want to take the time to shoot everyday. I almost never let a day go by where I don’t at least shoot five arrows. And yes, I run a business full time and still can find the time to shoot every day. If you want to build some overly heavy arrow because you can’t make a decent shot, it just means you don’t understand archery or bow hunting. The heavy arrow is not going to give you better archery skills. It’s going to give you some misplaced confidence that doesn’t even equate into a better shot.

@davidholliday2703

2 жыл бұрын

@@progradepainting3755 . Good for you, your blessed. Happy hunting.

What the heck is the guy at 19:35 talking about?? I've had wrong spine arrows completely miss my entire target at 20 yards. I'm not understanding this guy at all.

@jrod4717

2 жыл бұрын

Funny people still want to debate Troy. These aren't his options, it's science-based stats and documents

@mat_in_texas

2 жыл бұрын

I think it’s the guy from Innovative Outdoorsman.

@jk80world1

2 жыл бұрын

@@jrod4717 I have no problem with debating Troy, or anyone else. I think it is very healthy for us all to find our "best practices," but it should at least make sense. I get it that the guy is some random in the crowd making weird claims. I just thought it was weird what he is saying. I figured others felt the same. I thought maybe I was missing something.

@Mat-Miller

2 жыл бұрын

For some reason it did not pop up, I had a name plate that was supposed to pop up.... but that is Jim Burnworth talking sorry. He has done a lot of arrow testing and a lot of hunting. You can google him pretty easy!

@Mat-Miller

2 жыл бұрын

Oh man... It had all the accompanying slides and everything overlayed over the top of it... I wonder if its worth reuploading it?

Troy Fowler “ranch Fairy” meet his match with Jim burnsworth from western extreme

@Mat-Miller

2 жыл бұрын

They are both coming at this from two different positions, with two different sets of experience. Jim is a highly experienced and can tune his bow perfectly, plus is probably an above archer in terms of shot placement. Troy is coming at it also from experience, but with less tech gear to get the bows tuned properly. Then on top of that he has actual science and Math to prove the points he is trying to make in this video. None of them are wrong, they are just looking at it differently.

@wvbowhunter1

2 жыл бұрын

The debate/back and forth around 20:00 min is very interesting. The guy clearly has above average knowledge regarding archery. That being said (if im understanding him correctly) he makes the claim that the arrow will eventually correct itself to get back on its original path. Based of physics that’s literally impossible. A good analogy is someone holding a ball on a pendulum and releasing the ball at their face with no additional energy. That ball will NEVER come back to original height because there is no additional energy being applied. Take that to the arrow talk, that arrow will never correct to get back to its organal line since theres no energy being applied after leaving the bow. I think troy is even questioning it at 22:50 Am I understanding the guys point correctly or what? @ranch fairy

@jk80world1

2 жыл бұрын

I don't think so. Jim seems, to me, to be arguing that tuning doesn't matter. "Just throw some vanes on" to make it fly straight. I suppose if you are shooting 300fps you can afford a bit of inefficiency. I'm sure in reality that he is selective about his build. I'd be surprised if he is going to hunt Africa with random spine arrows pulled out of a junk drawer. ----EDIT: I just listened to another snippet from Jim. I think he is arguing that "micro tuning" isn't that important (I would agree with him on that for myself). I don't believe he is arguing against "macro tuning."

@wvbowhunter1

2 жыл бұрын

@@jk80world1 yea im not entirely sure what his end goal was. If it is that micro tuning isn’t necessary, then that comes to personal preference and desired end product.

@jeffmichel4312

2 жыл бұрын

If you want to plow through animals and kill em dead listen to Troy If you want cute tight pin gaps go the other way