this video is so wonderful and important, and so so well done! Thank you, your videos mean so much to me and are helping me come to terms with my queer identity.

@davidlafleche1142

Жыл бұрын

Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

@psalmwarrior7893

Жыл бұрын

@@davidlafleche1142 yes, our true identity is found in Christ alone

@robertburroughs7372

Жыл бұрын

Here's 25% off the Vaseline now get back in the closet!

@di0554lv4

Жыл бұрын

This programme, as the rest of the "western knowledge" is too focus in the west. Me, being in a third wordl country citycen never herad of polary and I surely won't need it never anymore. The western culture is over. Welcome to the real wordl.

@robertburroughs7372

Жыл бұрын

@@di0554lv4 Well your spelling is a bit third world.

Regarding the pink triangle use in the Nazi Germany concentration camps: a bit of history that most people don’t know is that when the allies defeated the Nazis and liberated the concentration camps, the survivors wearing pink triangles denoting their homosexuality were NOT set free. Because homosexuality was illegal in Germany (and in most of the world at that time), they were were sent directly to prison!

@ChloeShaliniArt

4 ай бұрын

Sick, sick, sick!! FFS!! Thanks, I did not know that but am not surprised either....😢

@jasonshallenberger4879

4 ай бұрын

Every country had these laws back then. The UK castrated the very man that saved us all from becoming annihilated by the Nazis. Alan Turing, because he was gay. The US had sodomy laws, etc etc.

@RemoWilliams1227

4 ай бұрын

Jfc talk about out of the frying pan into the fire.

@HistoricGentleman

2 ай бұрын

They also don’t like to admit that the DDR (East Germany) decriminalized it 30 years before west Germany

@BicTransparente

2 ай бұрын

You can see an depiction of this in Jojo Rabbit. In the end of the movie, we can see Captain K. (a gay man that often helps the main character) wearing lots of pink triangles on his clothes, still he was killed alongside with the nazis.

I love Oscar Wilde but I never knew about the green carnation! Thank you for the video, I learned a lot

@nationalgalleriesofscotland

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

@Dragon-Slay3r

Жыл бұрын

Nice

@BethDiane

Жыл бұрын

I remember once buying green carnations as a gift for a friend giving her senior recital on Saint Patrick's Day.

@BlytheWestchild

Жыл бұрын

I liked him too tbh and then I found out he 'dated' a child in his later years and I was like *bruh*

@wormperson

Жыл бұрын

@@BlytheWestchild yes, he wasn't imprisoned because he was gay, he was imprisoned because he kept being a pervert towards young boys from different social circles (is that how u say it??)

I live in a country where being openly queer is illegal and extremely unsafe, so seeing those hidden codes is very uplifting and inspiring

@zoecoffee9054

4 ай бұрын

What country

@absurdum-the-artist

4 ай бұрын

@@zoecoffee9054 Russia

@hensoakira

4 ай бұрын

@@zoecoffee9054russia maybe

@jessmelgar219

2 ай бұрын

I hope that changes for you soon and things get easier

@absurdum-the-artist

2 ай бұрын

@@hensoakira yeah, Russia

Growing up as a queer boy in the 1960's and 70's, I learned that there were secret codes some homosexuals used to "safely" identify themselves to others. I wasn't able to really learn those codes, and I was afraid to let people know I was a homosexual. I heard of the hankey code, but I didn't know what color meant what or which pocket to put the hankey in. The only "gay" thing I knew was that many, but not all gay guys spoke with a false lisp. I just didn't like trying to talk like that. I didn't like how it felt to me or how I sounded talking with a lisp. Besides, everyone knew talking with a lisp was a stereo type for gay boys and men anyways, and I feared anyone figuring out my secret. Hearing all the hatred in the 70's and 80's, and the jokes about gay people, then getting beaten up badly a few times, and stabbed when I was fourteen because some boys figured out that I wasn't interested in girls, I decided to just live in the closet totally alone. When I became an adult, I was even afraid to try going to a gay bar, because I was afraid someone might see my van parked there. I envied those gay people that were brave enough to be open about their sexuality, and actually find relationships and friends that were also gay. I never dated. I never had any kind of a long-term relationship. I never even tried to make friends with anyone. The only people I talked to were at work. None of them ever knew who I was. Choosing to hide who I was for almost all of my life was a bad decision that only caused me more pain, but it was the only way I knew how to survive. I will always regret doing that. I finally just couldn't stand my life anymore, and I came out when I was sixty years old. Yeah, that was way too late in life to admit who I am. I'm still alone at age sixty-five. That's mainly my fault, because I kept myself from learning how to meet people and have a relationship. Part of it was because of how I was treated by society as I was growing up. Those things caused emotional damage. Still, I think I'm better now.

@katethegoat7507

Ай бұрын

It's not too late to have some experiences! I know there's plenty of guys out there who love older guys

@George_Carter

Ай бұрын

I'm so sorry you spent so long in isolation. I'm glad you are finally yourself now, even if you are not in a relationship. It's never too late of course... I'm 49 and starting over after most of a lifetime of denial. I am so grateful that the world has moved on and it is now _relatively_ safe at least in more progressive societies. Best wishes to you and I hope you find who/what you need...

@randydickison2304

Ай бұрын

@@George_Carter I'm glad you found the strength to be yourself at an earlier age than I did. I know from experience that you can now feel better abought yourself than you did before. Your life should get better.

I had a straight Air Force commander in the 70's and 80's whose wife chose his civilian clothes becasue he had no sense of style. While visiting the large nearby city of the deployed base, he wore the white shoes, with white pants, his wife had selected for him, not knowing they were a signal to gay men, and was followed by another man for most the afternoon. Until he asked the man why. The man explained the meaning of what he was wearing and apologized for any imposition. The commander told him he didn't' "swing that way" but appreciated the complement. Not being a particularly handsome guy, he didn't think anyone even noticed him.

@Daelyah

Жыл бұрын

awwwww 🥺 Glad he at least respectfully declined, versus getting mad or creeped out like homophobes would.

@mrcrabmoney

Жыл бұрын

See the wife didn't know either, she was like this is what fashionable men wear these days!

@charlesprice925

Жыл бұрын

@@mrcrabmoney Gay men have set fashion trends for a long time, but the general public hasn't been aware. Some designers even began tracking them in the 60's and 70's to create spin offs.

@melonjuice7441

Жыл бұрын

He was like, "I still got it!"

@riyapatel6291

6 ай бұрын

​@charlesprice925 and barbie . Well Ken doll

As a gay man who was around in the 70s and 80s I can testify that almost nobody actually understood, much less followed, the hanky code. To start with, there were so many different colours denoting different behaviours or acts that it was all just too overwhelming. The average gay guy might have picked up on one or two that were more obvious (e.g. yellow), but since almost nobody knew them all, there was really no point in deploying the code. Also, a lot of guys just wore a hanky in their back pocket, or wherever, as a fashion choice. If you actually approached them thinking it was a signal, you'd generally find out they had no idea what it was supposed to mean. Most guys didn't even know that one pocket was supposed to signify active, while the other was passive, in relation to each act. (To this day I can't remember which was which). Anyone who maintains that it was actually a widely used code is, to be frank, full of shit.

@davemathews7890

Жыл бұрын

I grew up in San Francisco in the late 70's and 80's and was definitely aware of the code because part of the "Castro Clone" look was a hanky in the back pocket. I was there, I saw it, I'm not full of shit. In fact, I remember being puzzled for a long time by the black hanky (if you don't know what that means, you probably don't want to). The whole thing sort of disappeared with the advent of telephone chat rooms where you could hook up with other men at a time when there was no internet.

@CatchThesePaws

Жыл бұрын

I’m part of subcultures that remind me of this exact phenomenon lol! The people outside the community see it as a complex and strict code while the community itself just treats it nonchalantly.

@tula1433

Жыл бұрын

What do you think of the forced masculinization that happened to homosexuals with the start of the gay community? Homosexuals have been effeminate and sometimes present in a cross sex manner all throughout history until the start of the egalitarian clone gay scene. Did you notice this pressure in your time ? The “wear a suit to protests so they think we’re just like normal men” mentality.

@alvaeriksson3623

Жыл бұрын

Just because that's your experience doesn't mean it's everyone's lol

@davemathews7890

Жыл бұрын

Not sure, but maybe ozvoyager is from Australia (or maybe the Land of Oz LOL). That's a fairly remote corner of the world, so perhaps the practice there was a bit different from what was happening in the U.S.. Anyway, isn't it wonderful that gay people no longer have to communicate in code? Instead of wrangling over the existence vs. nonexistence of a long forgotten code, we should celebrate the fact that we can be open and unashamed in a way that was hardly thought possible in the 1970s.

In the 1980s, I used to wear color coded bandannas in the back pocket of my 501’s if I was going out to the bars. So, the “hidden” code wasn’t just for Gay guys. It was for Gay women, too. Saved me from some awkward misunderstandings, too, as I recall. 😊.

@kaipoland3174

Жыл бұрын

Would love to hear any stories you have from your experiences with that

@swankeeper5679

Жыл бұрын

To differentiate butch from femme? Just the appearance and apparel was enough I believe.

@celestedivine131

6 ай бұрын

​@@swankeeper5679 just to know if she's gay i beliece? Butch and femme are about fashion/general appereance, what are you thinking?

@kath5201

4 ай бұрын

Now I understand what happened at that bar! I love green. I had a green bandana. I'm not gay.....😂😂😂

@TheLemon333

3 ай бұрын

Oh you might enjoy how much more diverse it is than butch and femme. Just google flagging and look at all the dif. kinks associated with each color and what pocket it goes in.@@swankeeper5679

Being "a friend of Mary" was a verbal note to acquaintances.

@cleoldbagtraallsorts3380

Жыл бұрын

Or a friend of Dorothy.

@JohnC-pt1iw

4 ай бұрын

Gay men have even have issues with themselves , not all like each other.

@rottensquid

2 ай бұрын

I've been told it's "in the family" in France.

Polari is very easy to learn. I did and I am a straight female. How did I do it? Simple I listened to the British Radio show Around the Horne which is still available on You Tube. Two characters called Julian and Sandy basically spoke Polari most of the time. They were very camp and very funny. The BBC simple did not understand what was going on. The ones that did know kept it to themselves. Julian and Sandy skits are also still available on You Tube. They are fantabuloso!

@benfisher1376

Жыл бұрын

Why would you learn a defunct gay slang as a straight woman?😄

@towacunt

Жыл бұрын

@@benfisher1376 yeah erm.. thats kind of really weird😹😹😹😹💪💪🙀😐

@abelis644

Жыл бұрын

@@benfisher1376 Why not? Why learn anything??? Curiosity and learning about other people and cultures is fun and conquers hatred.

@abelis644

Жыл бұрын

@@towacunt Not weird at all, why learn anything about any culture? She has an open mind and a healthy curiosity.

@abelis644

Жыл бұрын

Awesome!🥰👋🇨🇦🏳️‍🌈

Really interesting topic and fabulous editing. I absolutely love your videos! Please continue on producing them!

@nationalgalleriesofscotland

2 жыл бұрын

More to come!

The black triangle “antisocial” symbol was mostly used to represent the Roma/Sinti. My great grandmother and her family were Slovenian, so they were put to work in Italy instead of being killed like in most Yugoslavic countries. I wish more people knew about the Porajmos, over 90% of us were killed

I hadn't heard about the green carnation, but in New York(?) men would wear a pansy in their lapels; hence the slur.

holy hell this is professional quality, super underrated channel

Secret language... sometimes just isn't heard. No matter how loud it's spoken.

I do remember going to bars in the early 80's when the hanky code was extensive. However me being slightly color blind I had to be careful about its interpretation.😋

@cottonsheep2367

Жыл бұрын

this sounds like the setup for a sitcom

@josephwinder6878

Жыл бұрын

As an avid clubber in the gay scene in the late 70s and through the 80s I can say none of us ever really worked the hanky. Though I would wear bandanas sometimes for other reasons. Only once in my life did a man ever perceive some meaning in the red bandana in my back pocket.

I was obsessed with green carnations as a kid! I had no idea I was queer at the time but this makes so much sense now!

@kathleenkalt3852

4 ай бұрын

My parents gave me green carnations every year on my birthday. The gemstone for May birthdays is the emerald, so they chose green. I still love the spicy scent

It's strange but some people may copy the style just because they like it not knowing it's supposed to mean something.

@maddymize6525

Жыл бұрын

This is exactly how I feel about most gothic/biker fashion styles trending out of the 70-90s, those rockstars were gay but also making money sex idols and not out so it became fashion 🌈

@agsheuehd

Жыл бұрын

*many

@rottensquid

2 ай бұрын

​@@maddymize6525 The look on my face when I heard the story of Rob Halford.

Amazing video! I’ve learned a lot. I’m not gay but I think it’s important for everyone to learn from the history our ancestors so that we don’t repeat the same mistakes again.

I remember seeing a yellow handkerchief in one of my friend’s pockets. I never told him I knew what it stood for

Male peacock? All peacocks are male. A female peafowl is called a peahen. In general, male birds are brightly coloured while females are less so or even dull, in contrast to humans.

@k.s.k.7721

Жыл бұрын

I worked at a zoo and the way it was explained is that the male puts on mating plumage once to twice a year to be more beautiful. The female does not, because she's already beautiful, and has no reason to change.

@annoldham3018

Жыл бұрын

As the parrots 🦜 sketch said, "beautiful plumage "!😆

@roj4169

Жыл бұрын

@@k.s.k.7721 That's not how it works. They always have colorful plumage. They molt, but the plumage is always there. And it's a result of sexual selection, basically females have chosen "handsome" males because it means they're healthier and their offspring will survive better.

@ketherwhale6126

Жыл бұрын

So they can hide in the brush peahens and camouflage protect their chicks. The males act as decoys for predators.

@JohnMiller-oz7gv

Жыл бұрын

Nice.

Wonderful video on a fascinating and important subject - great work!

@nationalgalleriesofscotland

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!!

Wait a minute....Conan Doyle mentions Sherlock wearing green carnations in the books! OMG

I've been giving some bit of thought to the concept of the "queer aesthetic" of late, and I've come to an interesting notion. I think queer aesthetic is marked by an absence, rather than a presence. We don't always consciously realize how utterly pervasive the "straight" code is in art, how it influences so many aspects of our aesthetics, until some piece of it is removed, reversed, subverted, or otherwise shifted. And voila, there it is, the "queer aesthetic." I think this is why the queer aesthetic can appear even without the artist realizing, because the straight code is, by and large, entirely subconscious. And so queer artists might not even know when they've subverted it. Art is largely an expression of feeling. So what feels right to a queer artist isn't the same as what feels "normal" or whatever to a straight audience. Yet perhaps there's also something about the subtle subversion of the straight code that everyone connects to. It breaks through the mindless routine of social behaviors, and speaks to individuality. I think everyone, no matter how straight, feels oppressed by the limits straight identity. People aren't queer or straight first, we're ourselves first. So that's why I think a touch of queer aesthetic often speaks to straight people. It affords breathing room, where "straight" aesthetic tends to feel suffocating.

Thank you for elevating this Light Sculptor's visual literacy in the center of the Show Me state! I shot the art of drag for five years and seldom understood the terms they used. This has reframed the way I see their performances and My own work! I hope to do with light what Picasso did with line!

Rome began rather indifferent to queerness, but as imperialism grew there, so did its irrational hate for queerness. Imperialism, authoritarianism, colonialism are and always have been our greatest enemies. Never forget that.

@sillybirdy1994

Ай бұрын

I think its very important to understand that Romes intolerance for queerness goes hand in hand with the rise of Christianity and the fall of Paganism in Rome. Christianity has always been a hateful intolerant religion.

Important artistic subject matter, lots of information, and superb graphic editing. Thanks!

I feel like antiquity didn’t have queer labels because it didn’t need them, queerness was already accepted. nowadays, due to discrimination, we need labels and codes to fight for our place, find community, distinguish ourselves, and identify ourselves within this greater culture.

BRO I HIGHKEY FELT LIKE I WAS WATCHING A MILLION SUB CHANNEL YALL UNDERRATED FR

this is awesome but I can't believe you didn't mention Georgia O'Keeffe when you covered the flower theme in art!! 💕

@user-nd7rg5er5g

Жыл бұрын

That's because Georgia O'Keeffe's famous paintings about flowers have constantly been misinterpreted, often by male audiences at the time who assumed that her paintings were sexual in nature (as was common at that art period). She was greatly disappointed by the misinterpretation of her art.

Remembering how my high school bff used to draw that exact nautical star thing on eeeveerything lol. When I was figuring out, "oh shit, I'm bi!" I remember thinking how not-straight she was lol. I know speculation is bad, but the signs keep popping up lolol

@alyciamarie4163

Жыл бұрын

I wanted that as a tattoo when I was in HS and I’m not gay so … lol just emo hahaha

@alexoceanmeow

Жыл бұрын

@@alyciamarie4163 that too! But I thought she was not straight for.. a good handful of other reasons lol

@mobarco

Жыл бұрын

it's Lilith from the Owl House!

Noel Coward, who never actually came out, wrote a song called "Green Carnation" for his operetta Bitter Sweet. It's a fairly unflattering portrait of foppish society boys fron the 1930s that appears to be a projection of his own internalized homophobia. It's obvious that it is about gay men, but I never knew the origin and significance of the symbol until now. Excellent video, I only wish it were a full length documentary, it feels like they've only scratched the surface. Fascinating.

You showed all these great pieces and only talked about the symbolism of a few. Would love to see something more in depth!

@rocklobster64

Жыл бұрын

The inclusion of a still frame from Rocky horror and a painting of Saint Sebastian without even mentioning their significance was kind of a let down.

I think my fave little secret about us is we invented the word swag for “secretly we are gay;” all the G’s really don’t like hearing this one but I love telling it.

@robertknight2556

Жыл бұрын

Actually, 'swag' is Middle English (10th to 15th century), possibly derived from Scandinavian. So it's been around for a long long time, and in the 60's was appropriated by gays as an acronym to give it their own meaning. Much later on, it was incorporated into rap music, but without the sense gays used for it. It's an interesting word, going through various interpretations of its meaning throughout its life.

@BM-fz9yc

Жыл бұрын

I love how you are taking credit for something based on shared sexuality.

@robertknight2556

Жыл бұрын

@@BM-fz9yc ....I don't have a clue what you are talking about. I merely recorded the origin of 'swag', and the meanings given to it over the many long years of its being. I'm not sure who these 'we' gays were, but they did not 'invent' the word as bluestrife28 reports. And, excuse me, it's not 'love', but dislike on your part. Say what you mean. Robert, 74, gay, UK.

@svantlas6034

Жыл бұрын

@@robertknight2556 It's really interesting and quite common. It's called a 'backronym' when the word comes first and pepole make the acronym later.

@jackiemoffitt6780

Жыл бұрын

I heard that's an urban legend but it is true some of the rappers who'd say 'swag' a lot like Tyler the Creator and Lil B have connections with the queer community.

I never really made the connection overtly that ace rings function the same way as these older symbols of queerness did

Polari, the secret "lingo" of gay men in the early to mid Twentieth Century, was a British thing. North American gay men had their own slang but it was not has highly developed as Polari.

I remember back to my early years when red socks or pocket handkerchief was still a thing, plus which side you wore an earing or ear stud

@dontbefatuousjeffrey2494

Жыл бұрын

YES not to mention the odd socks thing - my mum picked up on that in "Rebel Without a Cause" on Plato, and adopted it. But I personally remember the earring thing.... although it was "left is right and right is wrong" in my town and actually a homophobic expression 😞

@BLMacab

Жыл бұрын

nowadays just say you support bernie sanders or that guns need to be banned

@dontbefatuousjeffrey2494

Жыл бұрын

@@BLMacab Based on your comment and username, you've conflated being gay with something else entirely. also i know of 3 straighty180s they love that progressive stuff, check out the artist Mark Ruffalo

@BLMacab

Жыл бұрын

@@dontbefatuousjeffrey2494 my user name is irrelavant to the convo, bernie and vaush and cenk condone it not me a gay man

@brandondixon2138

Жыл бұрын

In some circles, the hanky code is still a thing. For example, in BDSM circles, especially gay ones, it's very much alive.

A person tickled the palm of my hand in a handshake once. I laughed so much I think I embarrassed the poor gentleman. I’m also a super straight heterosexual & have since worked and partied with homosexuals and had a ball. We are humans that have a short time to live, just live life and go for it 🎼🤘🤘🤘

@bullzdawguk

Жыл бұрын

Nice one! Your tolerance reflects the fact that you are secure with your sexuality. Generally, I find most people are tolerant. There have been rare occasions when I've had to deal with idiots. My favourite story happened when I was out clubbing with a straight work colleague and friends of his, all of whom I had never met before. All of them were really nice, apart from one mate of his. The guy kept going out of his way to let me know he's not into guys and hitting on him would get me nowhere. Finally, in front of all his mates, I told him he had nothing to worry about, and I would never hit on him. Then I added, "Anyway, I have a type I like and you're definitely not my type. So, you're safe." "Oh? Right! You have a type? What is your type?" And there it was. The fool fell into my trap. If he had let it go when I told him he wasn't my type, I would have been happy. But he just HAD to ask the question I set him up for. "What is your type?" "My type? I'm really into men." He had to think about my reply for a few seconds before the penny dropped. He stopped all his bullshit after that. Plus, I gave all his mates a damn good laugh. 🤣

@queerulantin6431

Жыл бұрын

Super straight? Omg why do you need to make everything about your sexuality Super straight is btw a transphobic code.

@hanakoskokeshidoll

Жыл бұрын

when you say super strait do you mean you are very comfortable in your sexuality or THAT kind of super strait

@mortenafloresta

Жыл бұрын

@@hanakoskokeshidoll fr 💀

@tourmelion9221

Жыл бұрын

So you don't date trans people cause they're trans? There's a bit of blur around that, do you mean those with bottom surgery indistinguishable from other women or those without

Too bad details about the hanky code had to be omitted. For people curious enough to look it up, don't be intimidated by all of the colors. The most common colors were dark blue, light blue, red, black, & yellow. Similar to the hanky code, where you clip your keys (left side or right side) was (is?) also common.

@dontbefatuousjeffrey2494

Жыл бұрын

And earrings... at least where I was, in the 80's... but that was more a homophobic apparent code for general identification, sadly 😞

Excellent video! What a great channel...

One reason that queer coding persists in contemporary art, despite decriminalisation and social liberalisation, is the joy of "I know something you don't know". If there isn't a word for that feeling, there ought to be one. :)

Very well done. A lovely video!

@Bossjpdave

Жыл бұрын

Yes. Absolutely perfect. ❤

Please share this with the young ones … They really need to know about their past.

@theunknowngamer5477

Жыл бұрын

And most of them choose not to care, their proof of being a functioning part of society will never be in doubt. The past has nothing to do with a tomorrow, when F-ing up everything is a solution. Let them inherit the wind.

@josephwinder6878

Жыл бұрын

They don't seem to care, the days of solidarity are over. A young gay guy told me he couldn't care less about the riots, the murders, the discrimination the older generation fought through to get where we are today. It's a cheap shallow world and today's youngsters seem to think everything was just handed to them on a silver platter. People Died so today's youngsters could be free to express themselves.

@stillnotstill

Жыл бұрын

40 year old queer here, I feel so disconnected from the history of my community due to not seeing representation, not being taught, people actively trying to suppresses it, etc, and I feel sad about it but then when I hear things like the above it makes me feel even sadder that they don't even want the connection I do have

@jerryhoffman9833

Жыл бұрын

Hey guys……thanks so much for your insights. I’m glad and sad at the same time knowing that I’m not the only one that feels this way.

@joshme3659

Жыл бұрын

@@jerryhoffman9833 dw they are being doomers theres still plenty of people young and old interested and passionate about the history. Obviously not everyone will be interested but plenty are i for one

You deserve more views, your content is amazing

I love using queer codes nowadays because it shows you who's done their research. By no means does every LGBTQ+ person need to know the significance of lavender or a pink triangle, however if someone does recognise it you know you have a common interest in queer history.

I used to be obsessed with the nautical star, I drew it all the time. It seems I was subconsciously aware of its meaning before I knew I liked women.

@roisingrant

Жыл бұрын

SAME omg

Ah I knew about this, l absolutely adore Oscar, and this is a fabulous video! Thank you❤️

Dude you can’t just spill our secrets like this 😂

us nowadays :*cuffs jeans* "do u listen to girl in red"?

@normanclatcher

Жыл бұрын

**turns out pocket** **produces an 8-track labelled "penelope scott"** **leaves with no further elaboration**

@mediocre_fig

Жыл бұрын

'I like cavetown'

Lambda actually stands for wavelength. It can be interconverted to energy, yes, but the lambda itself is not usually used to represent an energy per se 🤓

Fully just showing a photoshopped green ROSE, while talking about green carnations.in a video explaining symbolism. Great work!!👍

If i was teacher id def show this to my kids. Really well put together. Also the nazi codes were an eye opener.. history makes it seem as if they only came for the jews but a little further digging revealed it was disabled and even diabetics?! And anyone with a pacifying (ill take that as peaceful) religion.. also neuro divergent folks too.. just a shade too close to what politicians and alot of content creators are doing now. Please point me to any more info as the badges i feel still werent being properly explained

@maxwellbowman4084

Жыл бұрын

“Pacifying” religion probably referred to Jehovah’s Witnesses. They refused to serve in the military and several thousand were sent to the concentration camps.

@joutatheegg

Жыл бұрын

Id also like to know about more info about the badges

@Cidiuss

Жыл бұрын

It started with disabled on 1st of september 1939 - T4 Aktion. "Tough on crime" policies was already deeply entrenched in daily life by regime. The triangle badges represented people not worthy of living (gas chambers or execution) in Nazi Germany or being free people (de facto death penalty by egregious and taxing labour), among the few there was Political, Criminal, Asocial and Homosexual patches. They could be paired up with another triangle to make a star of David (Jew), had letters symbolising nationality, so red triangle intertwined with yellow one with P inside was for Polish-Jew political prisoner.

@davidoneill9244

Жыл бұрын

I certainly would not want any child of mine to see this. It is indoctrination of the worst kind

@imaginechi7677

Жыл бұрын

it really is sad that people don't seem to accept people for who they are anymore.

I’m going to be very honest I am appalled that you did not include Tom of Finland. He is most likely probably one of the first gay men that actually explored gay masculinity in art. But I’m going to assume that you did not include them because like the general gay community they ignore the gay leather community

@runderdfrech3560

Жыл бұрын

+James Walsh. What is the ,gay leather community' ? Or is it another secret code word?

@danteviagoescudero6312

Жыл бұрын

@@runderdfrech3560 gay leather community means literally gay people who wear or fancy leather, vinyl, pvc, etc. it's usually tied with bondage, roleplay or domination/submission.

@Thao-nathos

Жыл бұрын

I mean it could also easily be because it's a 10 minute videos only amd couldn't cover everything Still sad tho, the leather community would have been a nice addictio

@benfisher1376

Жыл бұрын

More likely its not "inclusive" enough. Queer is now the thing, and gay men are almost seen as privileged as straight white men by some progressive LGBTQIAXYZ

@HisEvilDomain

Жыл бұрын

This was about *secret* language. Yes Tom of Finland is a vital part of queer art, but his work is also brazenly queer. Cruising sites, acutal acts depicted, all entirely direct. His work is important, and features leather, yes, but it was not fitting the brief of this video about secret language and symbolism. Could you recommend any other artists that were only using coded language and leather?

Obsessed with your videos, thank you so much for this one, the content was great!

@nationalgalleriesofscotland

2 жыл бұрын

You're so welcome!

This documentary was quite interesting. Thank you I appreciate the information. Nice...

I can't believe I have the history - and education - that I do and I had never heard of the green carnation! Thank you, I didn't think I had anything left to learn on this subject. I'm glad I took the chance!

@Jonnie-Falafel

5 ай бұрын

Because "queer identities" are a peculiarly modern concept imposed on the past by queer theorists. Meanings of art codes might have been quite different in the past. There's quite a revisionist slant to this video.

@BrilliantHandle

4 ай бұрын

@@Jonnie-Falafelwhat is your evidence for this?

Polari is very clever. And quite funny too.

Very interesting, but not mentioned was men wearing rings on their little fingers. Left or right denoted passive or active, but I can't recall which now, although I still always wear one on my right finger. Nowadays many men gay and straight do this so I guess it's no longer a thing, I don't know.

Such s fantastic video.ody of these symbols and practices I've never heard of Thanks for posting this 👍👌

I was researching stuff like this on another account, and by some coincidence this video was recommended here!!

I have this peacock silhouette picture I acquired from my grandmother, I've always liked it but now i do so even more, now that I understand the connotation .✨️✨️

@rg78w54

Жыл бұрын

i don't think that's good

@ladyreverie7027

Жыл бұрын

@@rg78w54 no one cares

@rg78w54

Жыл бұрын

@@ladyreverie7027 apparently you do

@stuffynosepatrol

Жыл бұрын

@@rg78w54 nobody is interested in your opinions :)

@CT-uv8os

Жыл бұрын

The Peacock is the symbol of Lord Vishnus avatar Krishna. Just as the unicorn is the national animal of Scotland ( it is) maybe one should be more sensitive to the culture it originally represents before appropating it.

Thank you for this video

Queer people have ALWAYS been around. this video is such a great reminder of queer contributions throughout history ❤

SUPERB!!! More please!!!

Great informative video! As an artist who is also a queer trans woman, I thank you.

Guess who showed up in a red carpet recently with a GIANT green carnation????

@mediocre_fig

Жыл бұрын

HARRY STYLES

@arpitachakraborty8969

Жыл бұрын

@@mediocre_fig YES

I only knew one of these.This was very informative,thank you for the opportunity to learn.

Such a wonderful video!

Interesting! Harry Styles also wore a green carnation in his pocket for the premier of My Policeman, so it seems like it still lives on! And I love that we keep having new accessories to signal our queerness, such as the ace ring, cutting two nails short, septums etc.

Growing up in the 70's, we were very aware of pinky rings worn by gay actors. It was a badge that was worn, especially by British actors

British radio program from the 50's called Around The Horn included a bunch of coded phrases passed as comedy. very interesting stuff worth a check out. british radio is also just cool history in and of itself

Beautiful video👏❤️

increíble gracias

Thank u so much for this vid! It's really cool to learn about these things, though I would have liked to see more bi symbols!

Very interesting. Thank you

these videos are so important. know your history!!!

We've come a long way baby, no need for secret languages or hankie codes. We've Got GRINDR

Really! Thank you. I am so sorry that such subverted codes had to used. People need to just be who they are. Sexuality is one's Private concern.

One of my favorite ever videos on youtube!!! 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

@nationalgalleriesofscotland

7 ай бұрын

Yay! Thank you!

The secret code - also in the way we talk. If I go to the bar now, I'd just say that I am into theater. This is a suffice indication, at least in my area

Lambda is and continues to be quite exceptional

Polari- listen to Kenneth Williams on Round the Horne on BBC Sounds : Radio 4 Xtra. Radio comedy programme from 1950s 1960s...X

I have learned so very much from this . Thank you.

@savesoil3133

Жыл бұрын

#ConsciousPlanet

Now that I know what to look for, now I know who to go after! Thanks...

i´m really enjoying this channel

4:43 ACHILLES AND PATROCLUS MY OG GAYS

Men wore boutonnier in their lapel. People used to dress for dinner, Men wore suits everywhere. Not sure I'm going for this piece- except to say that Men wore flowers on their lapels.

Great video!

Wish it included more perspectives from queer POCs

@tulip811

Жыл бұрын

Then do your research

@compaqtube

Жыл бұрын

@@tulip811 I did. The producers of the video should've done their homework too. How many times do we have to erase POCs from this discussion? A diverse perspective matters.

@stuffynosepatrol

Жыл бұрын

Here is something to look into: the queer chinese meaning of a cut sleeve. It's got a very wholesome origin.

I am an artist. I love painting bright colors, triangles and flowers lol but I am non queer... just a little weird lmbo! Thanks for the video, it was very informative 💜

Excellent and important video!

@nationalgalleriesofscotland

7 ай бұрын

Glad you think so!

In the 50s many gay men in the bigger cities(especially those in the theater)would wear yellow clothing on Thursday. I have absolutely no idea how the custom started.

@mrcrabmoney

Жыл бұрын

"On Thursdays we wear yellow" is revolutionary!

@philipthomey7884

Жыл бұрын

For us in school, grade 7, Purple on Thursdays was gay. We hardly knew what gat was but soon found out

Thank you - this video was fascinating! 🖤🤍💜🌈🍂

Nicely presented an inclusive educational historic insight into representation and connection with ourselves, would be nice to have a little more balance of time showing women's codes and expressions to communicate with one another through time, I often feel added on at the end, but my brothers are beautiful too, thank you for presenting this informative video ❤🎉

@speedwagoncito

5 ай бұрын

Can't really be generalized because it wasn't the same everywhere but, overall, women didn't have to rely a lot on secret codes in the past (as in, idk, a seventy-to-a-hundred years back and further in certain countries around the world). This was mainly due to the huge sexism in a lot of parts of the world where women were seen and thought of as "less" than men and thus, according to that idea, women "couldn't go through life without men", which, in some cases, was true since women's wages were usually so low they really had to rely on a man to survive if they weren't in for making money in less conventional ways (like sex work and so on). It was kind of a mix of that among other factors at the time paired with homophobia that came from religion what had some societies throughout history actually assuming that two women were "not capable of falling in love with each other", since they were assumed to be pure and free of the "sinful nature of men" and etc. In Victorian times people actually had this assumption for example, which is why only male homosexuality was illegal and prosecuted, whereas female homosexuality simply "didn't exist" to them. This was also the time of Wilde and the green carnations and why only men were seen wearing them and using other gay codes at the time. Basically, the sexism and actual oppression women in general faced kind of created a loop-hole that allowed sapphic women to be as "open" as they wanted (within the parameters of their time, of course, since there was a lot of stuff that was frowned upon even when performed by a "traditional m/f" couple), hence why it's 'easier' to find old love letters between two women that have a high erotic levels in their contents. The sender assumed that if anyone else read the letter they would most certainly think "aww, they're such close and good friends! :)", and which was usually the case, and which would have definitely had serious repercussions for sender AND receiver had they happened to be men instead.

This is very white focused. Can you share how other cultures navigated queerness?

@stuffynosepatrol

Жыл бұрын

Here is a fun one from China: the cut sleeve is a symbol of male homosexuality thanks to a story about a chinese emperor who was asleep with his gay lover/political rival in his courtyard and because he didnt want to risk waking up his gay lover he cut off his sleeve to let him sleep in peace while he could go off and do some political stuff or whatever.

@thebuilder5271

Жыл бұрын

I think this vid is specifically about the UK

@dontbefatuousjeffrey2494

Жыл бұрын

@@stuffynosepatrol I remember reading about that! Thank you for reminding me! You're quite erudite for a bird 🙂

@stuffynosepatrol

Жыл бұрын

@@dontbefatuousjeffrey2494 you're very welcome :)

Well, from now on if I have a gay character that will never really be said that he’s gay, I will just put a hanging pocket cloth, or the flower or the peacock feather every time he’s in the screen Like he’s biking around and In the background peacocks appear from time to time

Thanks you 💙 This vídeo it's amazing

This is great, thank you!

A potentially interesting topic, but this video is simplistic to the point of being reductive

@dontbefatuousjeffrey2494

Жыл бұрын

It's...SHORT. Seriously. By definition something this long can only be an overview.

Thanks for this informative video!