The Psychology of Group Ironman in Old School Runescape

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OSRS has recently added 'Group Ironman', but what is it, why does it work, how does it change the game dynamic?
Let's examine the paradoxical expansion of the game created through limitation, how removing a willpower requirement leaves more space to just enjoy the game.
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  • @brighteyesseven1071
    @brighteyesseven10712 жыл бұрын

    The real flex of playing group ironman is... "Look at me, I have friends!"

  • @samuels.2411

    @samuels.2411

    2 жыл бұрын

    yeah i felt the same.

  • @busydadrs5608

    @busydadrs5608

    2 жыл бұрын

    I am a top 500 Group Ironman, aaaaand, I am playing alone. Friends jumped after week one but here I am doing my own Ironman all by myself.

  • @michaelplace4754

    @michaelplace4754

    2 жыл бұрын

    That’s why I kill so many on soul wars

  • @OMGHIDE

    @OMGHIDE

    2 жыл бұрын

    True

  • @MrWWMF

    @MrWWMF

    2 жыл бұрын

    And the UIM flex is not needing friends or people in general then.

  • @RedTaurus11
    @RedTaurus112 жыл бұрын

    "and then you've got Josh, whose account is collecting dust , because he hasn't logged into it for two days!" LOL

  • @PowefulLucy

    @PowefulLucy

    2 жыл бұрын

    teamwork at it's finest :D

  • @BobSellers6502

    @BobSellers6502

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@PowefulLucy Josh is the smart one. He's waiting for Callum to score phat loot and put it in the shared bank. Then Josh will be all "Yoink!"

  • @TheYdyp

    @TheYdyp

    2 жыл бұрын

    I wonder how powerful and rare that dust is going to be in the late game of the group dynamic ;)

  • @TheQuackinator

    @TheQuackinator

    2 жыл бұрын

    they should make dust and cobwebs literally appear in your inventory if you haven't logged on for a while that you can then sell or use

  • @CallumUpton

    @CallumUpton

    2 жыл бұрын

    tell me im wrong! 😂

  • @brokentoes6721
    @brokentoes67212 жыл бұрын

    Callum: "...and then there's Josh, whose account is collecting dust because he hasn't logged in for two days" Josh: "ehem... Five players sharing the responsibility of adventure! And the passion for 'teamwork' is back, baby! YEAH!!!!"

  • @chpoit
    @chpoit2 жыл бұрын

    Josh, the dust collector, the most prized role in all of the world.

  • @rh0dr1
    @rh0dr12 жыл бұрын

    I think some of the appeal for Group Ironman is true nostalgia. Instead of doing the most efficient method or doing everything on your own, Group Ironman feels like what RuneScape was like before the grand exchange, when you were just a kid playing the game with no idea that trade worlds existed and you just played the game, and your friends played the game, and you only really interacted and traded with your friends.

  • @TheBreezeShoot

    @TheBreezeShoot

    8 ай бұрын

    Everything you said is true except… you didn’t know World 2 was the trade world? How could that even happen, 5-15 years old or not lol

  • @dopi7075
    @dopi70752 жыл бұрын

    I would say that the psychology behind group Ironman is to develop a close and intimate bond and sense of comradery between a few players. This is also why I think small group instanced content (namely 5 man) is so popular. It creates an environment for players to engage in close interpersonal interactions which are a whole lot different compared to the external superficial interactions between players in the wider server community.

  • @runelt99

    @runelt99

    2 жыл бұрын

    Deep bonds... *yoinks twisted bow from group chest* *leaves group*

  • @Thor-Orion

    @Thor-Orion

    2 жыл бұрын

    That’s why I love Monster Hunter: World so much.

  • @Jokervision744

    @Jokervision744

    2 жыл бұрын

    There is no multiplayer in massive, at least it keeps requiring more and more effort to hit those levels where you are seen as a player. I guess people call those players legends or something.

  • @bobjob2514

    @bobjob2514

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yeah. Superficial interactions like having a max level bow user stun lock a noob to death while he’s just trying to mine rune ore. Fun times. Looooooooooove the RS community.

  • @zzzzzzzzzsz

    @zzzzzzzzzsz

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@runelt99 just dont keep people like that around you brother. you come out the womb fucked up like that

  • @internetoldie
    @internetoldie2 жыл бұрын

    I grinded out 2k cosmic runes for my friends, got a round of applause in discord.. Now thats rewarding gameplay jagex.

  • @alexhask8523
    @alexhask85232 жыл бұрын

    I become enthralled whenever Josh spills lusty comments about how awesome OSRS is. Me getting excited about RunEscape while he's getting excited about RunEscape.

  • @Bobmcjoepants
    @Bobmcjoepants2 жыл бұрын

    The concept of efficiency vs time is very true *cries in basilisk jaw grind*

  • @aleksihakli1125

    @aleksihakli1125

    2 жыл бұрын

    Basilisk jaws are cursed, I tells ya

  • @Dwarfurious
    @Dwarfurious2 жыл бұрын

    in the past i've played a little mmo called EUOTOPIA which is very much a Ultima inspired game; and it has a Living Off The Land mode. Basically permadeath + you cannot trade with players, buy from merchants, sell to merchants, or use the banks. You have to find or make everything yourself and carry everything you own, it was a pretty great experience.

  • @Centripital1
    @Centripital12 жыл бұрын

    This is exactly how my friends and I took New World. One of us is the fisher. I'm the miner/blacksmith. One is the woodcutter/furniture maker. One is the engineer / silk / leather collector. Working together to achieve eachother's goals of gaining power for the group is the greatest feeling, because we all benefit from it. That old school feeling of tackling the world together is one of the best feelings obtainable in an online MMO setting, and it's why New World is thriving for the lot of us.

  • @d4s0n282

    @d4s0n282

    2 жыл бұрын

    @calabro boy and your bad ;)

  • @randzopyr1038

    @randzopyr1038

    2 жыл бұрын

    I'm guessing that feeling didn't last very long; or are ya'll part of the dedicated group holding out for one more hotfix?

  • @Centripital1

    @Centripital1

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@randzopyr1038 we actually stopped playing this week. Bugs affect everyone but can be looked past with expectation that they will eventually get fixed, and the bugs affect everyone so there is no unequal advantage. Our group completed all of its goals, so we are moving on to different games. We accomplished defending the city we owned, accomplished offensive pvp wars, got a max crafter in each profession, we’re able to craft top notch gear for each other, completed all of the PvE the game has to offer. Won invasions without use of bugs. I’m our groups eyes: we beat what the game had to offer us. Time to move on to the next one! And to add to your comment. It only lasted ~850 hours played time. So not long enough :)

  • @hedone13x

    @hedone13x

    Жыл бұрын

    Ok commie.

  • @TALIONsprinzip
    @TALIONsprinzip2 жыл бұрын

    I See. It’s Josh Strife GAINZ now. 💪🏻💪🏻

  • @joelbaker9366

    @joelbaker9366

    2 жыл бұрын

    With enough gains, he'll have to go by Josh Swole Hayes.

  • @rayvg7709

    @rayvg7709

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@joelbaker9366 Josh Wide Hayes, and then before you know it there will be a Josh Wife Hayes.

  • @bellaander

    @bellaander

    2 жыл бұрын

    First it's Josh Strife Hayes, then Josh Strife Says, - then Tangent Tavern- and then Josh Strife Plays. At the rate he's going at creating new channels, he will have more channels than 5 Minute Crafts by the end of the year. Edit: Just realised Josh Strife Says isnt an official channel.

  • @joelbaker9366

    @joelbaker9366

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@rayvg7709 Can't forget what KZread closed captioning says his name is. I can hardly wait for the Josh Dry Face channel.

  • @Brittway

    @Brittway

    2 жыл бұрын

    Buff Strife Hayes

  • @raphaelcardoso7927
    @raphaelcardoso79272 жыл бұрын

    This is exactly the "first time experience" all games need. Those moments when we don't know a lot about the game and just...play it.

  • @MikhailKutzow
    @MikhailKutzow2 жыл бұрын

    I've never played Old School Runescape, but I must say, this Group Ironman mode sounds really fun - if I could get a group together for it I'd certainly like to try.

  • @7ehNP

    @7ehNP

    2 жыл бұрын

    Just single player ironman mode is a treat aswell. I started OSRS in 2018 as an ironman and now have... 4000+ hours played... lol well it being on mobile makes those numbers go up quicker too

  • @davidboy45

    @davidboy45

    2 жыл бұрын

    The grind is mind-numbing and the content isn't actually geared for multiplayer until the very late game which will take you months to reach, as someone who has played both OSRS and RS3 on and off for years since 2006, along with Metin 2, SWTOR and LOTRO I can definitively tell you that the gameplay is boring and that you should dedicate your time to some other open-ended game with engaging gameplay like Arma 3, DCS, Minecraft, Starsector, Rimworld or KIlling Floor 2 just to name a few. Basically, go watch Sseth's videos, pick a game and stay away from non-innovative stale MMOs that should've died in the late 2000's.

  • @clashoclan3371

    @clashoclan3371

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@davidboy45 It's boring for you but we are addicted. You either get addicted and never quit, or you think it's boring and hate it, there's no in between, and srsly, Minecraft?, why?, Bro don't demotivate people, let him try the game first.

  • @davidboy45

    @davidboy45

    2 жыл бұрын

    SkyralRS did you not read the part where I said I'd played since 2006? I was addicted too, until I finally realised that there's no gameplay. You have to grind a long time for quests which in 2021 is a fucking joke, and the fact that quests are the only thing Runescape really has going for it is pathetic. Anybody who willingly grinds to see some numbers increase needs to touch grass. You're not 12 years old anymore, that shit is not "rewarding" in any way whatsoever. The only good thing about Runescape is the atmosphere and the music, problem is you spend 90% of the time afk grinding so you don't actually get to experience something new unless you dedicate several hours to mindlessly spamming left-click.

  • @StreakyBaconMan

    @StreakyBaconMan

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@davidboy45 The way you talk about the game I highly doubt you have played it nearly as much as you seem to want everyone to think you have. I mean how can you think that QUESTS are all that the game has going for it? Most players HATE doing quests with a passion. They are also early game content, and people can and do finish every quest in the game within a couple of months of starting so you hardly have to "grind a long time" for quests. And why grind for anything in any game if not for numbers to go up? Either you get a higher level, you get a higher rank or you get gear with higher stat numbers and maybe some cosmetic items here and there to show off to others. What games exactly are you playing where your grind doesn't revolve around making a number get higher?

  • @knightmer3645
    @knightmer36452 жыл бұрын

    I love how everyone is flexing how much fun they have with their groups and friends and I'm here like : "OK..." because I have no friends who play mmos

  • @dyeustitan
    @dyeustitan2 жыл бұрын

    "You never quit RS, you just take really long breaks." ~ Some dude in rune

  • @johnsmith7303
    @johnsmith73032 жыл бұрын

    Dammit dude I want so badly to have a group like this… I don’t have any friends that like to play Ironman OSRS and it sucks. The people who always get me hooked on games end up moving onto other games shortly after and it drives me crazy.

  • @BecomeBenified

    @BecomeBenified

    2 жыл бұрын

    Join a public chat channel and hang around for a while talking to people, thats how I found my awesome group

  • @mandrue73

    @mandrue73

    2 жыл бұрын

    The OSRS discord has a group finder :)

  • @cinnamonroller6405

    @cinnamonroller6405

    Жыл бұрын

    @@BecomeBenifiedhow’s it going nowadays?

  • @BecomeBenified

    @BecomeBenified

    Жыл бұрын

    @@cinnamonroller6405 I'm glad you asked, we were active for almost a year straight and then 4 out of the 5 took a long break. I just started playing again, one got banned and another left while the rest of us were gone but we added a 4th from the same CC. Right now two of us are active, 3rd is semi active and our 4th is still gone. It's basically become my main account since I enjoy iron so much

  • @bigbellyobie6204

    @bigbellyobie6204

    10 ай бұрын

    I want to play group ironman if there's people who need someone.

  • @mcfarvo
    @mcfarvo2 жыл бұрын

    The Kargoz-style "Hardcore" challenge in vanilla/Classic WoW has these vibes too

  • @fostena
    @fostena2 жыл бұрын

    Me and my buddies always play like this when we play MMORPGs. Now I have a name for our style of play: "Group Iron man mode" 😆

  • @RubberDuckyDude1
    @RubberDuckyDude12 жыл бұрын

    More people should try and actually take the time to understand the adventure of osrs. Has the most heart of any game I've ever played

  • @tylerisdrawing9913
    @tylerisdrawing99132 жыл бұрын

    My issue is I LOVE runescape, but everyone I know goes "that looks boring why would you want to do that?". Everyone values fun, fast-paced and fun gameplay over the dedicated and rewarding experience of grinding through the levels and getting nice drops. The thought of splitting up roles and tasks for people to do is so awesome to me, but again the lack of desire from friends makes it tricky.

  • @BloomHD
    @BloomHD2 жыл бұрын

    Just waiting on this man to do an up-to-date video on the brilliance of GW2's open world design. Game really deserves more publicity and it's nice to hear Josh is a fellow frequent Guild Wars 2 Enjoyer.

  • @brenna5536
    @brenna55362 жыл бұрын

    Love your content! Finally subbed

  • @tzaeru
    @tzaeru11 ай бұрын

    In Guild Wars 2 community, there's these two super common sayings about getting gear that I personally really can't agree with: - Most effective way of getting gold is just to buy it with gems; - Most effective way of getting gear/materials is to farm/buy gold and then buy the gear/materials I think it's far, far more exciting to actually engage in different kinds of content and slowly work yourself to the gear you wanted. Of course GW2 does have a design approach where interacting with the tradepost is more or less mandatory. There's simply so many materials with varying drop rates that if you didn't utilize the trade post, you would have an excess in one material and a shortage in another. Since target farming is limited, there's on way to use your resource-gathering time particularly effectively. But most players should not feel like they rather buy gold and use that to get the gear they want, than that they would use time in the game world to actually get that gold through in-game needs or just to get the gear directly. What exactly is the game offering at that point, if rather than engaging with the game's content and designed way of getting stuff, you just buy the gear?

  • @yodako
    @yodako2 жыл бұрын

    That video when osrs graphics in the game play footage looks better than camera recorded footage :D

  • @ForgottenNoble
    @ForgottenNoble2 жыл бұрын

    Seeing your upload is always a pleasure.

  • @Rhyas9
    @Rhyas92 жыл бұрын

    "...because he hasn't logged into it for two days..." Hey now, don't you know finding dungeon dates and killing ice cream cones is serious business?

  • @David-zp9ej
    @David-zp9ej2 жыл бұрын

    Great video, sounds like a ton of fun too. Wish I had friends who played runescape lol!

  • @shnordo
    @shnordo2 жыл бұрын

    I LOVE that mug, where did you get it? Thanks for the awesome videos, brother!

  • @Christian_Bagger
    @Christian_Bagger2 жыл бұрын

    Need more mmos following the formula and freedom of RuneScape and Ultima.

  • @Christian_Bagger

    @Christian_Bagger

    2 жыл бұрын

    @MrDjBigZ There is an absolute abundance of single player games. There’s also an abundance of failed / stale mmo out there all trying to copy what seems to work. I mean I just got Medieval Dynasty, Pathfinder, Going Medieval, Humankind, The life and suffering of Sir Brante, Disco Elysium, and FM22 is coming soon! Thé Dark Pictures Anthology just released, got Lust from Beyond on my wishlist. AAA games are an absolute joke right now; AA is where’s at. Mmo is the best gaming experience I’ve ever had. My first game was Doom at the age of 2, nothing comes close to a well crafted mmo with devs knowing what they do, and they make a game, they genuinely wants to play.

  • @seliamila1005

    @seliamila1005

    2 жыл бұрын

    @MrDjBigZ agree, for the love of god. The live service model is absolutely bad, at least if single player is available, even if the server is dead you can still play

  • @abdulhammouda4884
    @abdulhammouda48842 жыл бұрын

    On this, me and my brother and son had a run in conan exiles on a shared private server. It had a very similar result. Zak loves building, arch smashes mobs, I like very difficult boss battles... It is just marvelous. Also the result of how hard and punishing the game can be added fear and team work that was so close to what I always wished games could be. This has a similar dynamic. I hope it becomes common

  • @ian6239
    @ian62392 жыл бұрын

    Imo, Ironman mode is the way OSRS is supposed to be played. It requires you to interact with many more of the games systems. It is genuinely transformative

  • @BigPoppa-Monk

    @BigPoppa-Monk

    2 жыл бұрын

    Only if they play using the vanilla client.

  • @stickyrubb

    @stickyrubb

    2 жыл бұрын

    In some way, yes. In another, no. I mean, I have a lot of good memories of interacting with other people in RuneScape. Which isn't that common when you're playing IronMan mode.

  • @ntall123
    @ntall1232 жыл бұрын

    After 10k hours in PoE, my friends and I play group iron man now, cause efficiency made us all think we didn't enjoy the game anymore. Turns out we all do enjoy the game still, its just the way we all ended up playing it after so many hours is no longer fun. Group ironman fixed that.

  • @user-mx2qx4rl9o

    @user-mx2qx4rl9o

    2 жыл бұрын

    Group iron man in poe sounds awesome.

  • @user-mx2qx4rl9o

    @user-mx2qx4rl9o

    2 жыл бұрын

    @BaxiTube solo self found is very popular. Not sure what you mean bro. Been playing poe since it had 2 acts

  • @jawstrock2215

    @jawstrock2215

    Жыл бұрын

    until you all go for max cape... then efficiency becomes near mendatory -_-;

  • @lionart5230

    @lionart5230

    Жыл бұрын

    @No Peaceful Solotions Anymore You meant trading, not crafting?

  • @blue2anemy
    @blue2anemy2 жыл бұрын

    2:00 when you started talking about going down for the grind or buying it, reminded me of a story XD. i saw a nice backpack once whilst i was in a store didnt like the price so i got a job their worked for 2 weeks to get employee discount, bought the backpack and left.

  • @Bavdingo
    @Bavdingo2 жыл бұрын

    Sounds amazing, I wish I had friends that played this

  • @shanecoffing
    @shanecoffing2 жыл бұрын

    Josh strife lifts? Looking good man, love the content and loving getting more fit! Gotta wear the "don't get in my way, you look like enough exp to level me up"

  • @ElijahG98
    @ElijahG982 жыл бұрын

    I've been loving G iron. I waited years for it. I never made an iron because I knew me and my friend would need ot start over and make G irons. I'm virtually playing solo, my friend doesnt play much. So we arent doing any roles. But I know that if he he play that we can go bossing and stuff together. VS if I was an actual solo iron, I wouldnt have the option. Best update in a long time.

  • @LuisTorres-hr9vi
    @LuisTorres-hr9vi2 жыл бұрын

    Great form on those workouts!

  • @mwilliford1982
    @mwilliford19822 жыл бұрын

    "With a small group of friends" - ugh. You always loose me there. I'd kill for that small group, but I don't think it's gonna happen. Good for you that can though!

  • @seyproductions
    @seyproductions2 жыл бұрын

    This is quite an interesting concept.

  • @fallingspark2258
    @fallingspark22582 жыл бұрын

    I hope you pick up "Trouble and Strife" again some day! I love it!

  • @RemoHazard
    @RemoHazard2 жыл бұрын

    found your channel yesterday and been binge watching the bad mmo videos, had no idea you played osrs too!!! love the videos man, so happy to find this chsnnel

  • @Snowy123
    @Snowy1232 жыл бұрын

    Wow I want to see more games do this a long with an emphasis on crafting/gathering professions so everyone is more than just their class

  • @Soumein
    @Soumein2 жыл бұрын

    Seems like a fully-fledged version of the Dungeoneering minigame.

  • @walwave1
    @walwave12 жыл бұрын

    I remember playing members with my dad we still technically have our accounts but aren't playing anymore and couldn't pay for membership, walwave is still a family used name for gaming though

  • @chasebrock9266
    @chasebrock9266 Жыл бұрын

    You’re a great OSRS KZreadr man, I haven’t subscribed to one in a while! ♥️

  • @Sam-hz7nk
    @Sam-hz7nk Жыл бұрын

    Would love an update on the group!

  • @_Travey
    @_Travey2 жыл бұрын

    Oooo this made me want to play WoW, I’m doing the hardcore challenge, so no trading, auction house, mailbox, delete character if I die, etc etc. so many limitations and yet I’m seeing more of the game than ever before and having a blast.

  • @shiniestskritt2865
    @shiniestskritt28652 жыл бұрын

    I gave this video a thumbs up as soon as you shared your core favorite MMOs which also align with mine. I don't see MMO content creators advocating for the GW games enough unless they are GW2-only content creators.

  • @jrtlaktalk
    @jrtlaktalk2 жыл бұрын

    Josh: This video is sponsored, but don't worry, it is a good one... KZread: actually, we believe that you would rather have interest in an Albion Online ad *KZread plays Albion Online add* Josh: ...Honey! A youtube employee is totalling trolling you :)

  • @thewhatwhat12333

    @thewhatwhat12333

    2 жыл бұрын

    albion online looks kinda bad and i dont want to see the ad anymore :(

  • @d4s0n282

    @d4s0n282

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@thewhatwhat12333 only for u, it does not show it for everyone

  • @thewhatwhat12333

    @thewhatwhat12333

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@d4s0n282 im aware

  • @twelvesevven4678
    @twelvesevven46782 жыл бұрын

    Great video. I disliked the GE for so long- Still do, actually. It turns every item into some amount of gold. A dragon scimitar is no longer exciting when it's just x amount of gold, meaning it's x amount of feathers, lobsters, dragonhides, etc. I remember playing RS3 for a short while. I made a fresh account. Spider silk was a little over 1k gold in value on GE. You got it from level 2-3 spiders that had practically no chance of killing you. In what world would I do anything else, combat related, at that point of the game? I didn't have to. I could afford everything a new player would need because effectively trading allowed me to choose what that spider was dropping. If I didn't want the silk, which I did not, I just go to the grand exchange and literally exchange the drop for other items. I could runecraft, or I could kill these spiders for around 50 air runes per kill. It made any activity in the game, that wasn't high in gpm, completely redundant.

  • @mitchellhorton9382

    @mitchellhorton9382

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yep I was playing RS3 for about 2 months and I never saw any reason to Runecraft when I could just sell something I can mass produce (even mining mythril and selling it is more time efficient than Runecrafting)

  • @JPG.01

    @JPG.01

    2 жыл бұрын

    "Given the opportunity, players will optimize the fun out of your game" - Soren Johnson , Designer of Civ 4. That quote seems to hold true.

  • @vaan_

    @vaan_

    2 жыл бұрын

    I played RS way back then and saw the GE arrive, and it definitely changed how the game was. Only came back recently (to rs3) and just had to go ironman. Having to explore everything on the game to be self sufficient is so fun.

  • @twelvesevven4678

    @twelvesevven4678

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@JPG.01 It does. Another strategy game, Halo Wars, it was a niche community that played it, I was actually in the top ten worldwide for it. After a long time there were only a few devoted players left, less than 100 on a fanmade website for the game. It was so optimised that other than RNG elements, everyone did the same thing every match. If you weren't on that website, you would lose to the people who were on it. If you were on it, you were following a very strict build order, micro pattern, not having fun.

  • @KineticSymphony

    @KineticSymphony

    2 жыл бұрын

    I liked trading, I liked that everything had some value. I disliked how easy the GE made trading.

  • @do3807
    @do38072 жыл бұрын

    I love the dynamic between Callum and Josh, especially since both can be so petty

  • @Pppp-yf4lj
    @Pppp-yf4lj2 жыл бұрын

    Group Ironman release was an amazing time, I slayed entire squads of friends in the wilderness trying to collect iron bars and steel platelegs. So fun.

  • @justinelam638
    @justinelam6382 жыл бұрын

    Holy shit now we need iron man clans! You can only trade and bank with clanmates! I can't imagine doing this with a small group of 5 I just don't grind away at the game that much anymore, which is why personally I'm stuck on rs3 for quality of life things but iron man clans in general would be so awesome imo

  • @hedonisticq
    @hedonisticqАй бұрын

    The feeling of the coffee cup is not very natural, dear handsome man. And thanks for the quality content

  • @LordGdawg
    @LordGdawg2 жыл бұрын

    One of these days we need to see your mug collection.

  • @richardjones8846
    @richardjones88462 жыл бұрын

    i'm very glad that josh explains why ironman modes are ACTUALLY playing the game and content and not just gold farming simulator 2007

  • @mousermind
    @mousermind2 жыл бұрын

    Limitations - Always mentioned in terms of surprise at the way it improves something. Limitations on budget have led to some of the most creative scenes in media. Limitations on resources can lead to amazingly simplistic, yet imaginative, creations. Limitations on gameplay can lead to expanding an individual or group experience.

  • @Maroxad

    @Maroxad

    2 жыл бұрын

    Like in Thief. Not giving those games viable combat options is why the first 2 games were so good.

  • @lassenlautta
    @lassenlautta2 жыл бұрын

    We've started ironmaning in EVE .. call it usually DIY tho. Can't use player markets or receive donations, build or loot everything yourself and only get stuff from others via nonconcensual pvp. It's hella fun.

  • @aeagondp
    @aeagondp2 жыл бұрын

    Im so happy about you cause Im a group player my self.Last game I had friends(and I stll do in rl) is eve online.Runescape is a lone game,lets hope thats gonna chance it all

  • @angelo2268
    @angelo22682 жыл бұрын

    Gosh, I really want to play this game mode the way it's intended. I've played both RS3 and OSRS a lot on solo ironman mode and it's become my preferred way to play over mainscape. I've got a lot of friends who I play games with but almost nobody I know actually enjoys mmos. Let alone Runescape. Sigh... maybe one day I'll find a group of people who would dedicate the same amount of energy I would.

  • @JohnDBlue
    @JohnDBlue2 жыл бұрын

    Group Ironman is basically like playing an online RPG coop adventure, except you're not required to play together. Like... The old hack and slash ARPGs like Champions of Norrath, Baldur's Gate Dark Alliance, Fallout Brotherhood of Steel type except much more vast and you don't have to share the screen with others

  • @JohnDBlue

    @JohnDBlue

    2 жыл бұрын

    I named these games specifically because they are the ones I always loved and played most

  • @Kyharra
    @Kyharra2 жыл бұрын

    When I played runescape as a kid I loved it before the GE was added. I was always too scared to talk to other people since I was like 7 I had to do everything myself. I was really bad at it but I loved it when the GE was added I couldn't resist. So when Ironman was added it was amazing and felt way better actually felt like the Runescape I remembered as a kid. Also I want to try Group Ironman but that would require friends lmao

  • @humbdedumb6009
    @humbdedumb60092 жыл бұрын

    My favorite MMO guy, thank you for keeping guild wars 1 in the core list.

  • @jaredcody6869
    @jaredcody6869 Жыл бұрын

    I will never forget how much I love this game and it was truly a great time when it came on to the mobile. It has been a while since I could play on the computer but is it wide screen or some feature that allows your quality of the game to look so good or something like that? I just remember it looking a lot more square in dimension lol.

  • @inordirection_
    @inordirection_2 жыл бұрын

    It works because it's like pre grand-exchange runescape (best runescape). You mostly do stuff yourself, but you can specialize a bit and find trades for some essentials you might be missing, in doing so building relationships.

  • @fredq6118
    @fredq61182 жыл бұрын

    Any chance of you doing a series on the progress of your account and your group by extension? would be fun to watch unless it's just collecting dust

  • @Russian_engineer_bmstu
    @Russian_engineer_bmstu2 жыл бұрын

    Love your channel

  • @kyber2jz616
    @kyber2jz6162 жыл бұрын

    It’s about having friends that’ll actually play RuneScape with you

  • @jaysx1
    @jaysx13 ай бұрын

    I still remember C Strife 16, I had you added back in 2009, didn't realise you still play

  • @kosviik9584
    @kosviik95842 жыл бұрын

    Normal account: MMORPG Ironman account: Singleplayer RPG Group Ironman account: Co-op RPG

  • @jdperry1917
    @jdperry19172 жыл бұрын

    This sounds cool as heck, would love to see this spread out as a common thing across other MMOs.

  • @mandrue73

    @mandrue73

    2 жыл бұрын

    Agreed! More MMOs should have the standard ironman mode too.

  • @salvogreco
    @salvogreco2 жыл бұрын

    What resolution do you play the at?

  • @anduinbrothar5708
    @anduinbrothar57082 жыл бұрын

    what client of the game are you running?

  • @Trildin
    @Trildin Жыл бұрын

    You go back to GW1 too!? hell yea brother

  • @tickledpickle5671
    @tickledpickle567111 ай бұрын

    My only problem with Ironman (solo in my case) is that I can't do Daemonheim. Which I remember being genuinely fun content last time I played. However, without Ironman, I'd often create a TON of red spider summon pouches and scrolls. I'd stand just outside the exchange, and just spam the scrolls, and collect the eggs. It wasn't INCREDIBLY profitable. But at the time, it was certainly worth the time for me.

  • @Guitarboredguy
    @Guitarboredguy2 жыл бұрын

    Back in psychology class I read about a study on why people like playing video games. There were three main pillars: Competence, Autonomy, and Relatedness, or CAR. Competence provides enjoyment when a player sees or feels they are getting better at something. Autonomy is the feeling of being in control, to be able to do anything you wish, and Relatedness has to do with the player feeling like they're a part of a group or team. I feel like group ironman really strikes all of the pillars really well, and I think that's why it's been such a success. The ironman mode in general is pretty good for it as well (regular ironman can still join ironman-related clans, which opens up the Relatedness aspect).

  • @xJAExz
    @xJAExz2 жыл бұрын

    Great video Josh, I started a group with 4 others. They haven't logged in since we started it and I've been playing 3 of the accounts myself. It's been 2 weeks and it looks like no one is going to play :/

  • @randomsandwichian
    @randomsandwichian2 жыл бұрын

    I have a snack bought a couple days ago just waiting to be eaten sitting within arm's reach in plain view. Along with it was a long roll of chocolate cream biscuits. Note; "was". Having to constantly remind yourself to do something, like procrastination or being repeatedly distracted for distraction's sakes, can be exhausting, but not impossible. It really a mental cost profit of which you're more willing to deplete (snacks), spend more effort on (buying snacks) or less time with (boredom), or prioritize less than to (work). If you can't make a firm decision or habit stick, find that lesser compromise you can pair that with.

  • @MijimeMonkey
    @MijimeMonkey2 жыл бұрын

    i was one of the guys who didn’t understand why people wanted group iron over regular iron, but i understand now. in fact i want to start group ironman now, though i’m a rs3 player and don’t have close friends who play rs xd

  • @ethanwasme4307
    @ethanwasme43079 ай бұрын

    group iron is for those highschool friends who never actually stopped playing RuneScape, myself and 3 others have been playing consistently on our GIMs for a year now and hover around the rank 900 mark

  • @The-Anathema
    @The-Anathema2 жыл бұрын

    That mug. I need it.

  • @francisbalfour1243
    @francisbalfour1243 Жыл бұрын

    A year later, were at end game, everyone is fully geared bc did 1.4k bandos kc solo as they havent logged in for 8 months. Things are great

  • @abdulhammouda4884
    @abdulhammouda48842 жыл бұрын

    Honey is an excellent sponser mate. Great video too.

  • @NoNick1337
    @NoNick13377 ай бұрын

    Group Ironman sounds like the way I would like to experience the game, but the main issue is having friends that also feel the same way. I switched from RS3 to OSRS, but as I have maxed account on RS3 I can grind gold there and swap it and buy anything I need on OSRS. I am missing soooo much of the game.

  • @chiekokurokumo
    @chiekokurokumo2 жыл бұрын

    AC:NH came out. Around 4-5 of my fam played with me. At first it was fun, but between Treasure Islands, time manipulation, and Discord island hopping for turnip selling, things started to get a little nuts for some of my fam. They began to accrue bells quickly, and within two months, they had experienced all of the seasons, gotten all of the furniture, and had essentially reached "endgame". And they got bored. Due to various circs, I couldn't and wouldn't go down that path. The one time I decided to visit another person's island for turnip selling, my game glitched and I lost my island data. Since then many of my fam players have wiped their islands or restarted their games as they realized that they had destroyed the game in their mad rush to have everything NOW. As I play FFXIV, I'm glad for the one friend I have on there, but I appreciate the fact that they don't hover tons. And being a free player (for now) means that I can't trade, so stuff isn't just given to me. Working with small tight-knit groups is what makes these groups work...but also not rushing things and grabbing what you want NOW is long-term entertaining.

  • @williamhououin
    @williamhououin2 жыл бұрын

    Hey Josh, will you continue to upload the Tangent tavern podcast on KZread ? Seems the last one uploaded was the one with Kira Great vid as always

  • @kingdavey90
    @kingdavey902 жыл бұрын

    Dang I want that Coffee Mug!! ☕

  • @Luneward
    @Luneward2 жыл бұрын

    "Pride and accomplishment" Har har. We see what you did there.

  • @travislyons9448
    @travislyons94482 жыл бұрын

    Bravo !!

  • @scopedbambi2382
    @scopedbambi23822 жыл бұрын

    OMG this is the first time seeing the face of the voice. . . It's crazy how much appearance and expectation changes from just one peek

  • @yourguysheppy
    @yourguysheppy2 жыл бұрын

    Bold of Jagex to assume I have friends who want to play Runescape lol

  • @Lichalfred
    @Lichalfred2 жыл бұрын

    Hi, Josh, did you try Melvor Idle. Its like ironman runescape, but an idle game so you dont have to play it all the time, and no microtransactions? I thoroughly recommend.

  • @Heeroneko
    @Heeroneko Жыл бұрын

    I've always wanted to get into Runescape, but swore it off as a kid because of how certain content was locked behind a membership. Now...probably about 20 yrs later, I'm looking to give it another shot and group ironman is definitely tempting me.

  • @miavelvet

    @miavelvet

    Жыл бұрын

    so did you like it?

  • @Heeroneko

    @Heeroneko

    Жыл бұрын

    @@miavelvet I've been enjoying playing it casually. Still trying to convince my friends to do group ironman w me tho. XD

  • @miavelvet

    @miavelvet

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Heeroneko well i really want to try it but i fear that i would feel dumb playing in iron mode since everyone on the server will be normal players who can just buy everything easy from the auction while im gonna be like a sole (duo) idiot who will be naked trying to get everything myself. Its kinda dumb. If this game at least had an ironman specific worlds it wouldnt be that awkward

  • @Heeroneko

    @Heeroneko

    Жыл бұрын

    @@miavelvet There are specific server's geared towards group ironman. If you use the RuneLite client to run the game it's easier to check which servers are what and how many ppl are playing on them. Some servers are pretty empty so you won't meet that many players. That said, it's a challenge mode you play for fun, it's not dumb.

  • @Noface121

    @Noface121

    Жыл бұрын

    @@miavelvet I wouldn't worry so much about that. People would look mighty idiotic griefing an Ironman for having less stuff than them. Or anyone really; it's just jerk behaviour, but I'd like to think that's a small percentage of people. You can also hide your equipment / stats in Runescape 3 if you want (I don't, and I love seeing people in more varied gear than only endgame stuff)

  • @fizzygoldfish6021
    @fizzygoldfish60212 жыл бұрын

    wish i had friends who play runescape to play group ironman with :( i just made my ironman account right before group ironman and it's been fun rediscovering the game

  • @Dyna1One
    @Dyna1One2 жыл бұрын

    I really did not enjoy playing a normal account too much, it's very "limited" by having the option of simply buying my way to 99's (or whatever level I need for "x" boss or diary, if there's any reason to get that anyway.) Have been playing Ironman for a few years now (ever since hardcore came out), 4500 hours later I'm still grinding and I am now a walking wikipedia for my friends, especially since Groups came out as I have actually tried out and discovered so much content in the game, because there are reasons for me to do so and it's fantastic. I never thought I'd get 99 runecrafting, but I did the other day! I have to grind slayer to obtain "x" item, not to unlock the most optimal money making method. I have to learn how to optimize killing General Graardor, because I had to get myself my Bandos items. I had to get my Mining leveled up, I wanted to unlock Amethyst arrows (and now darts) for my ranging gear, and I can use the ores I get to train my smithing, for that lumbridge elite diary so I don't have to use my dramen staff anymore and have unlimited farm teleports so I do my farming runs better so I can get my herblore up so I can get my potions to do that boss I wanted to grind for that weapon I really wanted, better and more efficiently. It's fantastic and I always have something to do, and I'm not killing the same money making boss 5000x because that's the best thing to do for money.

  • @raptor152
    @raptor1522 жыл бұрын

    Tried to get some friends to jump into group ironman, but no takers, guess it's solo ironman for me!

  • @BLuExDoTT
    @BLuExDoTT2 жыл бұрын

    JoshStrifeHayes: "Fitness" My brain: lol

  • @ruadeil_zabelin
    @ruadeil_zabelin2 жыл бұрын

    I wish the runescape stream was still up somewhere. Does anybody know?

  • @Grog
    @Grog2 жыл бұрын

    I just started a group Ironman last night 😁

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