During Robert’s Rebellion Stannis learned from the Faceless Men, and then when Arya kills the Night King in Winds of Winter, she’ll remove her face to reveal that it was Stannis the Mannis all along, and then everyone claps.

@ryanorielly5617

Жыл бұрын

This comment gave me life lol

@Qbgarden

Жыл бұрын

Omg. That would have ALMOST redeemed season 8. Lol

@davidhelmer9124

9 ай бұрын

This is my new favorite Theory

"Born among salt and smoke.. what is he, a ham?" - Renly Pillow-Biter Baratheon

@QuinnTheGM

Жыл бұрын

One of my favorite show-only quotes in GoT.

Even if Stannis, our one true king is not Azor Ahai, he is still the one true king in Westeros.

@janwouter5215

Жыл бұрын

That's a big big "if"

@pdubayah

Жыл бұрын

And in our hearts

@pastylightning

Жыл бұрын

the brother of a usurper. jon snow is the true king, the prince that was promised

@husnudoganvardarl2680

Жыл бұрын

An oathbreaker. That is who Jon Snow is.

@realdaggerman105

Жыл бұрын

@@pastylightning Right of conquest. The dragon kings bled fire and it flared until they undid themselves.

Let's not forget that the flames did show to Melisandre that Stannis will be crucial in saving the world. She believes that means he's Azor Ahai, but while he's not, that doesn't mean he's not gonna be important against the Others anyway. I think a fitting end for Stannis is to sacrifice himself in Winterfell to let run to the south once as much people as possible when the Others come. Stannis'character arc has been all about him struggling against "the end justifying the means", and specially the dilemma of sacrificing people for the greater good. In the end, once he finds out Shireen has been burned, I believe he will be a broken man that will only come back again to choose to actually sacrifice himself, and not other people, to buy time, to give his realm a chance to survive.

@Jacaerys4life

Жыл бұрын

Stannis Baratheon is the most impressive battle commander alive in Westeros. His expertise will be invaluable for the wars to come. Jon, Aegon and Dany will be looking to him.

@mirayoquese8608

Жыл бұрын

@@Jacaerys4life Yeah but they probably will look at him as an enemy. We all know Stannis. "Westeros only have one king". Both Dany and Aegon want the Iron Throne, so I can't see any sort of alliance with him, even with the Others coming. Neither Aegon nor Daenerys have any story/connection to the white walkers. I think only Jon (and possibly Bran) can help Stannis if he looks for a united Westeros against the Others.

@Jacaerys4life

Жыл бұрын

@@mirayoquese8608 You're thinking of Stannis as he was before going to the North, he now knows where the real war is and that who sits upon the Iron Throne really doesn't matter. Stannis' current goal is to stabilize the North by ousting the treasonous Boltons, Freys and Ironborne, and returning Rickon and Shaggy to their home. There must always be a Stark in Winterfell. Aegon uniting the south and Dany coming with dragons will only be seen as a blessing. Dany has had visions, Tyrion will vouch for Jon, and Stannis will bend the knee for the greater good if need be for Donal Noye had it wrong. Stannis is the true steel while Robert was iron. Stannis is willing to bend, he let the free folk through the wall after defeating them in battle.

@Hugh_Morris

Жыл бұрын

I really hope that's how it is

@Brandonhayhew

Жыл бұрын

Stannis is just another cheap tragic character

Doesn’t matter if he’s Azor Ahai. He’s the one true king and he is actually making an effort to save the realm

At this stage of the game, Azor Ahai could be anyone from Mormont's Raven to Ser Robert Strong.

@liftedmarco4976

Жыл бұрын

Lmao

@edwinshaku47

8 ай бұрын

Even Ser Pounce could be a candidate lol

@Isuream6331

5 ай бұрын

@@edwinshaku47 “could be”. Pah. Everyone knows Ser Pounce is obviously Azor Ahai. In the show, he clearly skinchanged into Arya so he could use his cat reflexes to kill the Night King. Have you been paying attention?!?!?!?!

I just think based on Martin's writing style the charachter actively marketing himself as the chosen one is probably not going to be the actual chosen one. That's my bet.

@QuinnTheGM

Жыл бұрын

Ditto, but I think the commonalities of both Rhaegar and Stannis doing that could hold meaning!

@nodiggity9472

Жыл бұрын

@@QuinnTheGM This is exactly why prophecies are so dangerous. Once they're out there, anyone with a bit of imagination can put a completely different spin on it. Beware the march of ideas. Or something.

@stingerjohnny9951

Жыл бұрын

@@nodiggity9472 Avoid any interpretation that seems to disproportionately benefit one person, especially if that person is the on that made the interpretation.

@dumitrache12

Жыл бұрын

But in a twist Stannis doesn’t actually believe himself Azor Ahai or anything special. He just lets the red priest preach her sermon because she is a valuable ally

Stannis seems almost like John the Baptist in the Bible. He's intrinsically linked to the Messiah figure and important in preparing the world for their coming, powerful in his own right, and mistaken by many to *be* the Messiah. Ultimately, he isn't, but his role in the story is still very important. Stannis isn't Azor Ahai. Making him Azor Ahai would be like making Jon's parents *actually* Ned and Wylla. It would be funny to see the chaos in the fandom and a good subversion of what everyone *thinks* will happen, but ultimately very narratively dissatisfying. The guy who's claimed to be Azor Ahai for 5 books is Azor Ahai? oh... ok... But, I strongly believe that he is an important part of the true Azor Ahai's story. He will put a lot of the work in place for them to step up and take the mantle, intentionally or otherwise.

After book 5 and the reader learning that Mel is genuine in her belief that Stannis is the prophecied one, I had to rethink things. Such as why the flames would at some point show her Stannis. Well, had the flames shown her Jon she would've gone straight to the Wall and the Watch wouldve chased her off. Sending her to Stannis first embedded her in his court and thus allowed her to linger at the Wall. And by book 5 she's now frustrated since the flames are showing her Jon now and not Stannis. But no way Stannis is AA.

@nodiggity9472

Жыл бұрын

Melisandre sees true visions, but she's shit at interpretation. And mad as a carrot.

@mysticshawty1234

Жыл бұрын

Its all bc she had to be involved with Stannis to go North and get to Jon, theres lots of circumstances around both of them and around her and jon. They are all parts of the prophecy. Rhaegar is failed AA 1, Stannis is failed AA 2, and Jon is the real AA but Melisandre has to give him her fire (her life) to bring him back. Perfectly lines up with the prophecy and that Mel is actually Nissa Nissa but instead of him killer her she sacrifices herself to bring him back and stop the Others.

@mellowyello1478

Жыл бұрын

It could also be the Fire is leading her along, like the bullet points on a GPS map. Fire shows her Stannis, which gets her in a position of power to stick around, Stannish heads up North, where she stays, and now the Fire is showing Snow. Its giving her advice in stages, not immediately giving her the answers. What comes next? Maybe if the book ever comes out we'll know.

I believe Stannis will play an integral role in mankind's success in the Long Night pt2; but I think Lightbringer was unwittingly forged when Dany drew her sword from the flames by waking dragons from stone in the funeral pyre. George having Xaro Xhoan Daxos declare the dragons were "flaming swords" was too deliberate to be an accident. That sealed the deal for me. Daenerys is Lightbringer. I think Maester Aemon, in a roundabout way, was trying to communicate this when he said "the Sphinx is the riddle, not the riddler", then cursed his body for preventing him from getting to Dany. Btw- Dany and Maester Aemon never getting to meet is one of the greatest tragedies in ASOIAF. They would've had the sweetest little relationship I think.

@mellowyello1478

Жыл бұрын

Aemons story in general is a tragic one, and its sad he never got to meet his (known) last living relative.

Tinfoil - Lightbringer is Arya Stark - Syrio tells her she is a sword - Her forging process goes through water (the water dancing style) and lions (persecution by Lannister men) - She will reach the third forging when hired to kill someone's true love (Jaime assassinating Cersei? Jon or Faegon assassinating Dany?) - After this, she will kill the Night's King as spoiled by the show And at the end of it all, she will ride into King's Landing on Tyrek Lannister

@QuinnTheGM

Жыл бұрын

THAT’S who that white horse was in the Bells! 🤯

Stannis may not be Azor Ahai. But he is something better. The Mannis

Dany fills the prophecies. She was born of the right line and she also woke dragons out of stone, sacrificing her love in the fire in the process. You can also consider the sword Lightbringer being a dragon.

@Fika_Break

Жыл бұрын

Was going to say the same, she fits the prophecy almost perfectly.

@theelectricprince8231

7 ай бұрын

Yeah but Azor Ahai sound like a villian

@lawv804

3 ай бұрын

​@Fika_Break A bit too perfectly for a GRRM story...

Azor Ahai is obviously Sir Pounce

@QuinnTheGM

Жыл бұрын

Agreed, but I didn’t have the necessary 14 hours to break that particular theory down in a video.

He is the Azor Ahai of my heart, the one true king.

He may not he Azor Ahai, but he's definitely gonna be important in the fight. I hope we may even see him come back as a fire wight and go deep into the lands of always winter to fight some Others

I was wondering - if Jamie would Drown Cersei, would this count as fulfilling all 3 prophecys at once to speedrun the prophecy?

@saatvikkalra6061

7 ай бұрын

....holy shit

I do like the analogy of iron being broken down and purified to make steel. Stannis is the only character compared to iron. The story and the Azor Ahai propechy is simply the act of Stannis being broken and reforged into something harder and stronger.

Love the content man, been looking forward to this vid!

I’m so happy I found your channel! Incredible content, please keep it up so I can keep coping with the fact that Winds is never coming

I always felt Noye's reference to Stannis breaking was related to Gendry talking about how Thoros lighting his sword with wildfire damaged it. To me, it felt like this could be foreshadowing Stannis' actual death. Because he's lit his sword on fire so many times that his sword is damaged. When he is in some battle, his sword breaks and he is slain.

@brandonm994

Жыл бұрын

Stannis's Lightbringer isn't actually on fire though, the book makes it very clear that it just radiates light but no real heat. Pretty sure the only time "Lightbringer" is actually lit on fire is the first ritual where Mel proclaims Stannis to be Azor Ahai and he draws the sword from the statue.

This was a great video!! Thanks so much!

I’m convinced that Azor Ahai is an archetype, not a singular character. In some sense Jon, Dany, Stannis, Tyrion and possibly others are all Azor Ahai.

It would be cool if Rheagar actually was the one who was supposed to save the world but because of Robert's Rebellion the entire world is doomed and the series ends with the White Walkers freezing King's Landing.

Nobody in the story “is” Azor Ahai or Nissa Nissa, but several characters match the archetypes and are playing out their symbolic story. All the in-world mythologies are reflected in the characters and plot of ASOIAF. Lucifer Means Lightbringer (David Lightbringer) has done extensive analysis on the symbolic level of the saga.

Love it man, keep it up

That’s a very cool take I never thought of

I really liked the idea of shireen being a dragon dreamer, sort of strengthening Stannis having more targ blood than his two brothers and thus making him rightful king and azor ahai

10:19 another instance of metal breaking is when the Others shatter Royce’s sword in the prologue of AGOT. maybe foreshadowing Stannis being killed by them

"Back in those days, men as well as swords were made of finer steel" - The thoughts of Jaime Lannister Men are compared to swords more than once

@QuinnTheGM

Жыл бұрын

But not compared to swords breaking, the key element of the Lightbriger legend. I do love that quote though!

@CheeseCrumbs00

Жыл бұрын

@@QuinnTheGM I know, just adding some evidence that george commonly compares men to swords. The making of light bringer personified as people is my new conclusion thanks to you. I previously only looked at it based on events, not people.

Stannis is not Azor Ahai. Stannis is the Mannis.

Absolutely beautiful transposition of myth and real time

As Tywin Lannister once said - Any man who must say "I am the king" is no true king. That and Donal Noye's line about iron pretty much confirm that Stannis's cause is lost case and that he won't be around for much longer. At this point, I only hope that he will beat Boltons before he kicks the bucket.

@romainandrieux5948

4 ай бұрын

Robert says a lot that he is the king in book one. Daenerys also with all her title and stuffs.

@whyareyoureadingmynickname8158

4 ай бұрын

@@romainandrieux5948 And Robert wasn't exactly a good king and he was ultimately betrayed and killed by a pig. Dany also struggles a lot in Mereen as she seems to be incapable of maintaining peaceful rule (despite her best intentions). We'll see what George has planned for her in the next book(s), but I doubt that her end will be a triumphant one.

no stannis must not be azor ahai but he will be crucial i think to unite the kingdoms against a greater threat from the walkers

A note on the Donal Noye quote, there's been a lot of argument that he got it wrong. The argument goes that Robert was the Copper in the story, putting on a good face but ultimately powerless by the end, Rely is the Iron, because he fields the largest force in westeros until he gets shadow baby'd, which means he's strong, but broke before he bent, while Stannis is the Steel, being strong and already showing he'll bend without giving up.

Stannis will always be Azor Ahai in our hearts

Great video, could the being born from a certain bloodline mean that the actions of someone of a certain bloodline result in the birth of lightbringer. Not of their blood but by that bloodline's actions. Or something like that

I feel as though rhaegar was the Prince that was promised. The sword story is a metaphor He stuck his metaphorical sword in lyanna she gives birth to Jon and dies (Jon is light bringer in human form)

I honestly have been bamboozled so many times with these books so the hero that was promised might as well be sir pounce

I'm convinced that there will be more than one "Azor Ahai"... its going to be moreso that "Azor Ahai" is a specific event or action or moment in time

Stannis being compared to Irom breaking before he bends is taken a bit out of context if you ask me. I think Noye just meant to say Stannis won't give up. Stannis bends constantly, in forgiving Davos, convertong religion, employing sellswords and working with the Watch. Stannis bends all the time, and hasn't quite broken (yet)

If we go with the version of the prophecy which states Azor Ahai created light-bringer by sacrificing "his one true love" and not his wife, then Stannis still has potential to be azor ahai - only the glamoured blade he wields is definitely not light-bringer because "the mother" of the seven gods (from who's heart stannis drew the blade when he burnt her statue on dragonstone) was definitely not his one true love. I personally think that in his life, the only people stannis ever truly loved were his parents, cressen and renly back when he was still his little brother and not the entitled spoiled brat he grew to be at the start of the story. But all those people are currently dead, and the only person that stannis loves who is still alive - aside from maybe davos - is without a dpubt and a second guess, shireen. Should shireen be sacrificed, either by stannis or by mel to resurrect jon snow - a different jon snow than before, one who will be reanimated by r'Lohr's rite of the last kiss, and fuelled by the flame of the lord of light burning inside him then Stannis would serve as azor Ahai, sacrificing shireen, his truest love, to give life and creation to light-bringer, the sword of flame that would be jon snow

Didn't George already say that the titular "Ice and Fire" are the Walkers and Daenerys? Not saying she is Azor Ahai, but "being the song of ice and fire" really helps to say Jon is.

Maybe the "three forgings" are the three people who think they're Azor Ahai - Rhaegar (dies in the Trident) "quenched in water", Stannis (beaten by Lannisters) "Quenched in the lion" and the true AA is Jon (who's already been responsible for killing his first love and maybe it doesn't bode well for Danny). Or maybe it means whatever you want it to mean! That would also fit with GRRM's writing.

I honestly kinda wish Stannis did turned out to be Azor Ahai, since he is the one person we are all sure that its not

Anyone else have the theory that the original Azor Ahai, or great hero, may actually be the founder of House Dayne? Hear me out, What is Lightbringer, what brings the light after a long night? The dawn. As in the sword Dawn perhaps? Making the one worthy enough to wield Dawn become the Sword of the Morning perhaps this goes back all the way to the days of the Long Night.

@AndreasEvgenikos

Жыл бұрын

After all, House Dayne is ancient, with roots purported to go back to the First Men…

I think Azor Ahai's legend is a metaphor - he didn't really think of sticking his sword on the heart of a lion, but I do think his loved one died as a result of the games they were playing to try and save the world. Also, I do believe that Azor Ahai is three people, but it won't be a single magical sword that brings back the dawn - rather, it will be what those three people bring to the table: armies, dragons, dragonglass.

The only character in the entire series that actually sent them self to the wall

what if jon could really be azor ahai and in the winds of winter he has to plunge his sword into daenerys? i'd be fine with that

As to what happens when struck with light bringer Stannis quite literally tells us the sword is nothing but regular steel as he comments on how he used it on the blackwater Which btw implies Stannis Directly participated in the fighting

Stannis could totally actually be Azor Ahai if he sacrifices Shireen, which in some way brings Jon Snow back, him being Lightbringer.

Yes he is (i am exteremly biased).

I don’t know. GRRM is going to have a hard time topping the story of Stannis from what Dumb and Dumber presented on the show. Now that’s sarcasm!

@QuinnTheGM

Жыл бұрын

Honestly his death scene might be my least favorite cinematography in the entire show. It’s such a weird shot and I hate that they completely cut away from the actual death, even further robbing it of what little impact it might’ve had.

I think it's clear that the night king is a reference to the night man cometh, making stannis the dayman

@QuinnTheGM

Жыл бұрын

And yet we’ve never seen him do karate, nor encourage friendship for everyone

I haven't watched the video yet, but I have a general problem with this question in general. So many people treat this like it's a standard fantasy story where prophecies are always real and always come true, if not necessarily in the way people expect them to. I don't think that's how Martin sees things. He's essentially writing a fantasy story with real world rules. It's things like how you can interpret passages the Bible in a thousand different ways or how some of the Gospels tell the same stories with different emphasis and POV. ASOIAF has no omniscient narrator it's all prejudiced by each POV character. Prophecies can be BS or events can be squeezed to fit them, even if language has to be mangled or ignored to suit the interpretation (see Nostradamus). People even make up new ones and attribute them to a long dead "prophet". I don't think Azor Ahai will definitively be any one character in the end because the vagueness will always be open to interpretation. Just look at the legend in the story. Did he plunge an actual sword into his wife or did he impregnate her? Then there's the fact that in the real world Lucifer means Lightbringer.

Since you're going to be doing more Stannis material (and there's never enough discussion about him), there's a couple of things that I'd like to know your thoughts on. In the books, he is usually associated with iron and steel. But his name is likely derived from stannum, the ore from which tin is obtained. Is George trying to tell us something about him by choosing that name? Stannis seems to be a man of moral absolutes. If something is wrong, it is wrong regardless of circumstances. Yet he appears to change his attitude toward starving men eating their dead. Stannis haters seize on this as hypocrisy. Why do you think his view on the matter changed?

What always interested me about Donal Noyes metaphor about the baratheons is that roberts hubris was worse than stannis. True steel never seemed to fit him he was too unwilling to govern or hear anyone out

Is Stannis focusing on freeing the north and stopping the threat of white walkers??

I feel like the NW's vow is something that'll matter. "I am the sword in the darkness... I am the fire that burns against the cold, the light that brings the dawn" is something that always struck me as fitting the prophecy that I feel goes unnoticed, as it refers to a person as both a sword and "the light that brings the dawn". Assuming Shireen burns, I could see it as means of ressurection for Jon that'll be the Nissa Nissa (he hates his wife lol), and Jon is Lightbringer. On another note, what are your thoughts on the theory that Nissa Nissa was Azor Ahai's dragon, and Lightbringer was just a normal VS Sword? By extension this is a theory on how VS is made. My hope is that Stannis just makes the Whitewalkers go back to bed and the books just focus on the political and southern aspects. I don't particularly care for the White Walkers.

@tc9499

Жыл бұрын

100%

@nicodemusedwards6931

Жыл бұрын

I understand not caring for them, but that doesn’t seem like the story GRRM is going for. The White Walkers are supposed to be an existential threat, something humanity has to deal with by putting aside the political squabbling in order for their to be any future at all. They aren’t a problem that’ll just go away due to one person, it’s something everyone has to contribute to, otherwise there won’t be anyone left.

@niofalpha

Жыл бұрын

@@nicodemusedwards6931 I get what he’s going for, I just don’t care. I don’t care about them or the Freefolk, I’m mostly interested in the political drama and magic stuff.

@mellowyello1478

Жыл бұрын

@@niofalpha but the Others are magic and are deeply connected to the magic of the world. How can you say you care about the magic but disregard an inherently magical force?

@dustywaynemusic6297

10 ай бұрын

@@niofalpha then read different books

I wish Battletech was written this well.

Jon is the light that brings the dawn.

I kind of like the idea of subverting expectations by not subverting them at all. Like everyone thinks it's so obvious that the Stannimal isn't Azor Ahai that the greatest twist is that he actually is. Well that or no one is AA and Stannis is by default of having done the most to stop the Others.

I keep thinking that the burning sword isn't a literal sword. It's a weapon! That weapon I believe was the dragons.

I think the real Azor Ahai was the friends we made along the way.

Moonboy is Azor Ahai

The dragon has 3 heads. Dany, Jon, Aegon. Links to the azor ahai prophecy

what is he, a ham?

stannis burning shireen would definitely be a azor ahai killing nissa nissa parallel. But yeah i dont think he is the prince that was promised, whatever that means

the last time Stannis didn't have Mel to kill his enemies to avoid a battle, he lost the Blackwater and most of his army the next time I believe his mistake will be more personally fatal.

I feel like people give too much importance to noye's quote, a quote, might I add, that has been proven untrue even before we heard it. Do I need to remind everyone that there are very few people more broken than Robert Baratheon in the entire series?

Davos is azor ahai, he almost dies in the battle of black water but he re awakens amongst salt from the sea and smoke from the burning ships, he will forge light bringer by stabbing stannis through his heart

Too many stannis simps, Jon con is gonna have to deal with all of you, and restore the one true king

What if John js light brighter and “Stannis” revise John through his prophesied stone dragon princesses, so Stannis wields John and sacrifices himself or somfing close to him, part way through the vid he pry said this

Jamie Lannister is Azor Ahai

I wonder if somehow Jon Snow will be “born amid salt and smoke” when he gets wighted and reborn. But then again Jon could have been born in a place that already fits the prophecy since we don’t know where he was born.

@QuinnTheGM

Жыл бұрын

When he’s killed at the end of Dance, his wounds smoke and several of his sworn brothers are crying salty tears.

Stannis is the best

Most Stannis could ride a dragon

Azor Ahai is behind me, isn’t he?

wait, what happened to my original comment? Where did it go?

@elizabethmenjivar1695

Жыл бұрын

I left a comment here not too long ago, and it got deleted. I didn't even say anything mean about the video. Why was it deleted?

@QuinnTheGM

Жыл бұрын

I have never deleted a comment, I have no idea. I’ve had comments get weird because of my internet connection, could be that? Idk though

@elizabethmenjivar1695

Жыл бұрын

@@QuinnTheGM That's fine. Please excuse my rude comment earlier. It was just that I wrote a rather lengthy comment that involved my previous comment on a poll you made involving the 5-year gap. You told me to DM you over on Twitter to discuss the subject matter even further. I sadly do not have a Twitter account, so was unable to leave a message on your Twitter homepage. I did, however, respond to that original comment you made. I suggest you revisit that old text to review my response. that is, if your still interested in making the Vaegon Theory. If not, that's fine. I was just waiting for a response, but none came. In that same comment thread, I offered my services as a freelance artist to offer you some custom ASOIAF art that can only be found on your channel. If you wish to look into this further, I recommend you revisit the old text messages over on the 5-year gap poll you made. Sidenote: Great job on the video! Love me some Stannis content!

Hope Jon is azor and George didn't change his story just becuase it's Been analysed and broken down and predicted for 10 years

Azor aByeeee

Born amidst smoke and salt? Is he a ham?

The way I see it, it does not add up to the fact that Rlhor turns his back on Stannis Baratheon, who has been his champion and the most prolific leader of his cult in Westeros, to support the political claim of two people (Jon and Daenerys) who hasn't done anything for him in exchange, and who won't probably pledge to his cult. Jon Snow will never leave behind his belief in the Old Gods! Despite any prophecy, everyone must recognize that Azor Ahai was just a man (without any Valyrian connection) with a high sense of duty and a deep engagement to protect the world; the only one who fits this prophecy is Stannis the Mannis.

I dont think the last hero and azor ahai are the same people.

What if Jon Snow Shadowbabies Stannis. I can see this happening if Stannis refuses to give up Winterfell.

Daenerys is clearly Azor Ahai. She drew a burning sword, Dragons. Her "Nyssa Nyssa" was Drogo, she killed him tobyet her dragons. I don't think that Azor Ahai and The Prince that was promised are the same people.

@user-bq6vh4xd1m

4 ай бұрын

Nah I see bran

He is not Azor Ahai, he is the true king of Westeros, it is his... by right!

I always thought Martin made his opinion about Prophecies known in the Quote of Arcmaester Marwyn, that being: „Gorghan of Old Ghis once wrote that a prophecy is like a treacherous woman. She takes your member in her mouth, and you moan with the pleasure of it and think, how sweet, how fine, how good this is . . . and then her teeth snap shut and your moans turn to screams. That is the nature of prophecy, said Gorghan. Prophecy will bite your prick off every time.“ Given the fact that both Rhaegar and Aemon thought that there must be three Heads, so there must be three People who are the Song of Ice and Fire to bring the Prophecy into reality, I and some other People think that could relate to something different, maybe these three Heads are not only the saviours from the Others, but also the Problems that are currently the main Problems in Westeros. That being: 1. The Food Problem, there isn't enough or at least not equally shared Food something Littlefinger plans to take advantage of in "The Winds of Winter"-Sample Chapter from Alayne. 2. The forgotten Knowledge and the lack of preservation of Knowledge, more than once we see People read or talk about Knowledge, not to forget the "North Remembers" which they don't do or at least only Partially 3. The Leadership Problem (a.k.a. Monarchy and inheriting the seat of Power, which is a problem in itself) which is the thing the whole War of the Five Kings is about. And if you think of it we get more than once 3 things or three Things in One that is mentioned, for example: 1. In the Legend of Azor Ahai there are 3 Main Components that end the first Long Night that being, Azor Ahai who forges Lightbringer with the sacrifice of Nissa Nissa, we have 1. The Smith, second the Weapon and 3. the Sacrifice of a Wive. 3 Things for or against one Long Night. 2. Three Heads in one Dragon ... on one Dragon? Which is said to represent Aegon and his Sister Wives, so we have 1. the King, 2. A Warrior and 3. A Wive who dies during the War with Dorne. 3 Things to unite the Seven Kingdoms under one Throne. Important to note the Death of Rhaenys is a main Component of why the War against Dorne ended at that point in History. When Aemon mentioned a Sphinx that is the Riddle and not the Riddler, a Creature that is 3 in one, why not translate that on the other Occassions of three in One? Especially when the only Non-Targaryen-Character that mentions the Phrase the Dragon has 3 Heads, is called Sphinx, but has only 2 Cultures in himself combined? Furthermore, why should Aemon who doesn't know Alleras refer to him as a Riddle? If the Sphinx is a Riddle, a Creature that is three Creatures in one Combined, maybe it refers to 3 Heads on one Dragon so may three People against the Others, which Aemon and Rhaegar believed to be the Case. If that is the case maybe the Sphinx and its mentioned Components are a Hint of who the three People are, that will be Azor Ahai in modern days. Especially when Martin had to mention and describe the Sphinx because most modern Readers think of the Sphinx in Egypt, which very Prominently has no Wings, therefore would be a better hint to the Riddle that Alleras is actually Sarella, a Person with 2 Cultures in her Heritage. That is very roughly my Theory about Azor ahai and who Azor Ahai could be. I also like the Theory you mentioned here that Rhaegar and Stannis just the first attempts of forging Lightbringer and therefore bringing Azor Ahai back into this World. It also seems something that GRRM would do.

Tbf maestor Aemon isn't perfect to recognize who is azor Ahai

So when Jon kills Dany (Nissa Nissa), he will be Lightbringer?

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That’s my thought. Though perhaps he won’t spontaneously combust.

If Lord Roose Bolton is a skinchanging chameleon, I believe he will skin Walda and take her place when King Stannis takes Winterfell.

He's not Azor Ahai he's a very naughty boy

Jon, Stannis and Dany are all Azor Ahai. The Dragon has 3 heads guys.

Stannis is already death he just doesn't know it.

No, but I sure hope GRRM doesn't do him dirty, like they did in the TV show.

Azor Ahai is Danny but I'm not sure Azor Ahai is a good guy!

what if Jon is Nissa Nissa

Random thing I just noticed. Stannis and Rhaegar share the same number of letters in their first and last names 🤔 it's meaningless but interesting lol

Rhaegar died at the Trident ( water tha

Azor Ahai could be Danny