It's sad that people forget that people's lives were ruined because Lance was ruthless in protecting his secret. Was the sport dirty? Yes, but people forget that Lance's abuse of power is what made him notorious.

@chrissantos5580

3 жыл бұрын

Agree 100% total sociopath god awful human being cheating is such a small part of the evil things he has done

@jdjones4825

3 жыл бұрын

Hes a dickhead...and the cronies who still stuck up to him

@karlmylnere5712

Жыл бұрын

@@chrissantos5580 what makes it acceptable for you to cast such stones? Nobody's life was destroyed , that is just the media spouting and silly people buy into it with gusto.The whole Armstrong scenario is totally overplayed , mostly by weasel Walsh , who by the way has done very well financially from the entire thing.If you think Lance committed such evil deeds then your bar is set very low indeed , with all the really evil goings on in the world the doings of Armstrong fall way down among the wines and spirits , I think you need to get a realistic sense of proportion.

@user-zx1ir7jt4c

Жыл бұрын

They were trying to ruin his life too so... eye for an eye. You could also argue that his life has now been "ruined" whatever that means to you....

@lilchicklets

Жыл бұрын

@@user-zx1ir7jt4c that doesn’t make sense at all. He ruined other people’s lives; they lost their jobs, Their lives were ruined. They were shunned.

Ben Foster is the most underrated actor in the world 🌎

@shooter7a

5 жыл бұрын

He is GREAT. Check out Hell or High Water...

@trendinggames4572

5 жыл бұрын

I agree, reminds me a young Willem Dafoe

@laszlozoltan5021

5 жыл бұрын

3:10 to yuma, alpha dog =wow

@Michiganman2cali

5 жыл бұрын

I have been saying the same thing

@cbeary2000

4 жыл бұрын

I worked with him once on a film. Super cool dude away from the camera as well.

Everyone blames Lance, when in reality many people in the tour de france organization knew something was going on, but they only cared about penetrating the north american market.

@billbobaggins801

4 жыл бұрын

Well said.......well said. How DARE an American win..........no no no. Time to take him down and erase.

@-First-Last

Жыл бұрын

@@billbobaggins801 Whenever/wherever Americans throw their tail in, it goes to crap. Is that what you want to say ?

@Unborn-Stillborn

Жыл бұрын

​@billbobaggins801 bullshit .. no one cared about nationality .. they cared about lying cheating and arrogance. Lance used the "they don't want an America to win" mantra and idiots like you fell for it. I guess Americans really are that guilable ...

The last great TDF rider to win clean in the 1990s was Greg Lemond. Even at his best his average power output was 410. In comparison, Froome was 414. All the other winners in the 1990s up to 2006 were tainted with power output as high as Riis 479 and Indurain 450 who were regarded as mutants. Post EPO Armstrong 438, Contador 435, maybe not mutants but still ridiculously high.

@wvu05

4 жыл бұрын

@Charles Gosnell Lance Asteriskstrong tested positive twice (cortisone in 1999, EPO in 2001), and when USADA applied his old samples to new tests, over 80% were positive. Lemond also had a VO2 max of 93. The 78 of Asteriskstrong barely got him through a three hour marathon when someone with his accomplishments, if he was clean, could have easily gone under 2:20. Going after Lemond is typical whataboutism.

@sowereconomics2247

2 жыл бұрын

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@jpierrejaboulay1387

Жыл бұрын

Lemond clean 🤣 it seems you have no clue of doping culture in cycling

@josephfuller7008

10 ай бұрын

I feel Cadel Evans was a legitimate winner. He spoke about doping and how frustrated he was with it thoroughly laced into the sport. He had to wait for Armstrong to get out and finally won in 2011. Good for him.

I loved this "documentary". Whether it was accurate or not, it did depict that life is not black and white. Many of the people we admire have their dark sides just like any other ordinary person.

These 8 minutes 48 seconds are the best case I have seen for clean sport - not just cycling but athletics, football, etc., etc.......

@moderatesunited

4 жыл бұрын

Never going to happen ever. Ever.

Seems the folks were more to bring down Lance, than to purge cycling of all enhancers.

The EPO receptor is on a lot of cells not just RBC precursors. EPO is a effective.

lol can't believe people still go on and defend Lance. "Oh, but they were all doping anyway so..." So fucking what? It's still cheating, regardless of how many others were simultaneously cheating alongside him. He was number one in his sport because of drugs, period. All these "professional athletes" are a bunch of roid heads and I'm not just talking about cycling. Professional sports are riddled with performance-enhancing drugs, it's just some are better at covering their tracks than others. It's sad, kids all over the world look up to and aspire to be just like these frauds.

@KabbalahSherry

2 жыл бұрын

THIS. Allllll of this. ☝🏼😕💯

WOW Ben Foster has Lance's mannerisms DOWN. Not surprising as Ben Foster is clearly one of the most talented actors alive, but WOW. Spot on. I've never even heard of this film as I've not followed cycling closely for years now, just getting back into it (yay) - I will definitely watch it as soon as I can!

@jackmiller-johnston8689

6 жыл бұрын

Apparently Foster also went on the same drug program as Armstrong. Just to see what it was like. Now that's really submerging yourself into character

@ryanstoyles7611

5 жыл бұрын

@@jackmiller-johnston8689 wow. its trippy because i could tell his face looked ohysically different as well, not just skinnier - but different. very fascinating

@phil7394

5 жыл бұрын

Dude is a great actor. I need to see this movie.

Walsh speaks very well a good in sight, best get it watched.

@nyahhbinghi

4 жыл бұрын

??

This was good journalism. I liked it when he said "This one thing we now have to hold onto is our skepticism." When you see someone who was performing a certain way in his field and then later on speeds up to the top of that field and stays consistently there, you first give some congrats and support at that first and second achievement. But when the pattern starts to show a consistency where a consistency really shouldn't be found, then hang on to your skepticism. Barry Bonds and Mark McGwire come to mind. Lance Armstrong is a narcissist and they'll do whatever it takes to be successful and not to ever be proven wrong. Success draws attention and scrutinization and rightfully so. Skepticism is good until the facts prove otherwise or gives us the true narrative of the event. Good journalism. Thanks for this post.

What a story though! Fascinating

Doping cycling was so much better! Miss the good ol days.

@kylegood4207

4 жыл бұрын

Joe Maslov agreed.

@billbobaggins801

4 жыл бұрын

I stopped watching cycling after Lance......The Tour SUCKS........Long Live the KING!! 7 - F..cking times bitches.......

PEDS sure made for great spectacle - the way Pantani jumped on steep alpine climbs - and in later tours, Armstrong.

Maybe I'm just simple, but either compete with honour or do not compete

He deserves his tour titles back; he won them, period, just as much as the 10 previous winners and the 10 after him. The sport was nearly 100% doped. Lance deserves his tour wins recognized officially

I thought it was good. Althought I think it was a little bias in trying to depict lance as a bad person, it did have some very powerful scenes about cancer and the difficultys of bike racing and high pressure lose/lose situations.

@ChrisHayworth100

4 жыл бұрын

He was a bad racer, he was a cheat and virtually brought a sport to it's knees. You can't let yourself be the face of a sport and be a cheat. It doesn't make sense.

@wvu05

4 жыл бұрын

Ask all the dozens of people who he bullied and intimidated into silence or because of their refusal to remain silent if he is a good person.

Just read his book. l would highly recomend it.

@cbeary2000

4 жыл бұрын

Which book? What do u like about it so much?

@FootyMedia

Жыл бұрын

Seven deadly sins

Walsh should also have put his aggressive attitude towards other dopers too, why just get the fixation on Lance and ignore the others?

@fredlast4547

5 жыл бұрын

because you can spread yourself too thin

@jabba0975

5 жыл бұрын

Because Lance was the biggest and was winning the race that got the most publicity. Makes sense.

@johnbarrick4836

5 жыл бұрын

He’s American

@jabba0975

5 жыл бұрын

@@johnbarrick4836 Walsh hasn't impressed me as anti-American. Just anti-Lance.

@johnbarrick4836

5 жыл бұрын

jabba0975 jj maybe maybe not but why wouldn’t he go after everyone that doped and are still doping?

Where was David Walsh to uncover all the doping happening in cycling. Do you really think that all the past tour the France winner didn’t dope? Miguel Indurain was a Big Dipper. I have a friend that ride with ONCE in the mid eighties and everyone was dopped.

@jamespatterson6972

5 жыл бұрын

Hell, one can go all the way back to the early 1900's when Tour De France cyclists would medicate themselves during breaks with a mug of beer or liquor. This a clearly a grueling sport and maybe some light-weight sport supplement should be allowed to help cyclist to recover safely.

@lukabobic2892

4 жыл бұрын

Yes,but now with walsh,hamilton,landis,andreu is different,the cleaned the cycling 😂

@lpr5269

3 ай бұрын

@@jamespatterson6972 Performance enhancing beer. 😂😂😂

@7.00 betsy formidable... great line.

IN my humble opinion, Walsh is the most important sports journalist of the modern era of sports.I really appreciate his willingness to stand strong and take the hits and keep pursuing the truth.

@Menstral

5 жыл бұрын

In my opinion he is a douche, but not as big a douche as Lance.

@neonnaughtsie4726

4 жыл бұрын

Walsh is a turd. Pro cycling is still full of dopers today, but for some mysteriou$ reason Walsh doesn't have the interest to go after them with the same energy that he went after Lance.

@johngoodell2775

4 жыл бұрын

@@neonnaughtsie4726 uhmm....because Lance won 7 tours and collected hundreds of millions....dude. A journalist has to take a triage approach to the limited number of stories one can write and get published in a professional career - its a no-brainer. You are confusing Journalism with doping control entities.

@neonnaughtsie4726

4 жыл бұрын

@@johngoodell2775 What do you mean, "limited number of stories one can write"? Who exactly is limiting journalists like Walsh from doing the investigative journalism they are so supposed to be doing? You mean to tell me cycling is all of a sudden clean? Of course it isn't. So why do we not see Walsh digging up dirty on today's top riders like he did yesterday's riders? What changed, hmmm?

@johngoodell2775

4 жыл бұрын

@@neonnaughtsie4726obviously you are not a cycling fan or know anything about this issue. Walsh has written about many other riders , and about doping generally, but his focus on Lance was for patently obvious reasons.... Lance being the top rider in the peleton, one of the most sophisticated dopers, using the most famous doping doctor, wielding the most sponsorship influence, and being the most aggressive and combative conspirator in the doping machine. All of these things are facts.

What really bothered me: this is how far people went to win bicycle races. How far would they go to win elections and wars?

If everyone else is doing it and it’s the only way to win then what’s the point of getting last with no spotlight and a clean conscience

So what Armstrong didn’t do is take the drug from his first game

They asked Greg Lemond What he thought about Lances first win. He said “lance couldn’t even finish his first three Tours.” He was right.

@chadtellevik5479

5 жыл бұрын

Him Bike , I did not know this. Wow!

@PInk77W1

5 жыл бұрын

Chad Tellevik greg Lemond first Tour 3rd place. Lance first tour didn’t finish. Lemond 2nd Tour. 2nd place. Lance 2nd Tour. Didn’t finish. Lemond 3rd Tour. First place. Lance 3rd Tour. Didn’t finish. Pretty obvious what’s going on.

@chadtellevik5479

5 жыл бұрын

Him Bike Thanks for the information. Funny, I ride a Lemond. I should know this.

@pierreverweij5559

5 жыл бұрын

Him Bike LA did finish his 3rd in 1995

@PInk77W1

5 жыл бұрын

Pierre Verweij still very poor or average at best.

what's the name of the soundtrack song in the ending & throughout?

What about sky

David Walsh is very easy to listen to. He tells the story so well

@cmetube

6 жыл бұрын

Reizermo Too bad David Walsh isn't a doctor. He'd be even more believable. At least his nose is correctly on the scent of cheaters, coming from four decades of covering cycling. He knows this sport better than anyone and has more credibility than any of the wimpy, crappy, weak doping riders of today.

@guyjones3665

5 жыл бұрын

Christy Dolan true... brailsford is worse...

@glenncastell864

5 жыл бұрын

Christy Dolan Last time I checked Froome hasnt been found guilty of anything....apart from public execution by the anti-froome fraternity........

@lukabobic2892

4 жыл бұрын

He isnt guilty because whole sport would collapse... People,multiply 2+2...........LA7

@user-zx1ir7jt4c

Жыл бұрын

They could have found an actor that at least halfway resembled the real David Walsh!

Great film

EPO or not he rode his ass off and as the great Tom Platz once said drugs don't make a champion, champion makes a champion. Lance just has a heart of champion. His arrogance at that time is totally another story though.

Eddie Merckx was Busted twice for dope. Out of the 7 TDF wins by LA, 19 of the 21 podiums were busted for dope. I used to buy my cycling gear from an ex-tour pro he told me in his days as a pro they didn't check. I asked what his HTC was ...57 was his answer. That was when several Dutch riders died of heart attack from too thick blood, if you became dehydrated with that high of HTC you were in big trouble. What drives me crazy is the other sports, MLB, NFL, College, and even HS sports are given a pass. I'd guess 2/3 of the league(s) would be gone if they checked everyone. Lastly, there are a lot of people that have gained notoriety from bringing down Lance Armstrong under the guise of "for the good of the sport" yeah, right.

@tonyfranklin8306

4 жыл бұрын

Merckx was actually done four times in races IIRC, Fleche wallone, TDF, I think the Giro and Lombardia, that in an era of hardly any testing. He also introduced Armstrong to Ferrari ... yet no-one says a thing as to how much of a perennial dope cheat Merckx was. I've said elsewhere but Moser had to admit doping before he was exposed and still didn't get punished, Hinault well, a piss take as he refused to test, Indurain could beat the little coulmbians up the mountains but blast evryone on the ITTs. The US cycling team blood doped, all of them, in the '84 Olympics.

@alpha3488

2 жыл бұрын

@@tonyfranklin8306 Because 70s amphetamins were not the same cattle of fish as epo. Merckx would've been a great champion without doping, Armstrong would've maybe been a stagehunter and winner of one day races, but never the record winner of the TdF. Epo just made him a monster and completely different athlete.

So when are they going to bring down Chris Froome?

@ChrisHayworth100

4 жыл бұрын

It wouldn't surprise me if someone did. I've never believed that guy is clean, but for now I'll just have to wait and see.

@zerg9523

4 жыл бұрын

They should just let the fellas do what they want to do... have a clean race and a dope race... i’d watch both

@neonnaughtsie4726

4 жыл бұрын

@@zerg9523 Even if you had a "doper race" and a "clean race", it would only be a matter of time before the dopers started infiltrating and winning the clean races. As long as there is a prize to win, there will cheaters. That is why they should just embrace doping. Let it be a free-for-all just like it was in the old days. Cycling was far more interesting and dramatic when they didn't spend all this time and energy worrying about who is and who isn't doping.

3:36 so there arent any test invented for testing EPO in the past ?

@benboughton1

4 жыл бұрын

During the nineties and early 2000s no, there wasn't a test for EPO. As soon as there was a test for EPO, Lance Armstrong's historic blood samples were tested and low and behold.. he tested positive

Bloke from neighbours an extra 🤣

This guy wouldn't have had the journalism career he did without lance's doping scheme. He should be grateful

The tour was a lot more fun to watch when Lance was in it.

@-First-Last

Жыл бұрын

What ??

@Unborn-Stillborn

Жыл бұрын

Only because everyone knew he was cheating and people wanted to see what ridiculous height he was going to reach and what lies he was gonna spout .... as a cheat ...

@Backpfeifengesicht45

9 ай бұрын

Yeah. Drugs can be fun.

Any of Team SKY'S wins are just as fraudulent.

@jessemanson3722

4 жыл бұрын

EVERYBODY, EVERYWHERE= EVERYTHING

Hell.. the amatures are doping at some of our local races. Anything for first place medals so you can get specialized to sponsor you!

@malikgarrett9841

5 жыл бұрын

Not all about winning. Just to finished those grueling races in one piece was reason enough.

@donmcfarlane9517

2 жыл бұрын

LA the poster boy.

The movie was OK....that's all. It could have been so much better, since the acting was superb. However, and this is my biggest knock on it, is that the entire time you felt as if ANY ATHLETE that went through the charades of doping would have accomplished what Lance accomplished. We all know this is not the case. Lance was an incredibly gifted athlete to begin with. No way would you ever get that idea from this movie. The drama was also missing. Just an OK film IMO.

@HkFinn83

Жыл бұрын

Just fyi...in Armstrong’s first four appearances at the Tour, three times he ‘did not finish’ and the other he finished 36th.

@justinexplainseverything1554

Жыл бұрын

@@HkFinn83 And I can say the same thing about 5 time Tour winner Miguel Indurain. Indurain's first two appearances he DNF and in his third appearance he finished 97th place lol.

yet.....it's dirtier than ever. As the science is light years ahead of the testing due to the sheer money involved in winning.!! Those that doubt this are either extremely naive or truly have no clue how top notch sports work whatsoever.

The sport has changed from EPO doping to mechanical doping

A fraud is a fraud. Respect to David Walsh.

the 1994 La Fleche Wallonne was the clearest example of what doping means, and the fact that we do not see anything like that anymore proves the sport is much cleaner. Now people don't break away to win, Now people fall off to loose.

How did Lance know they couldn't have made it without drugs? ... He was on lighter drugs.. :DDD

The original point of testing athletes was i thought for safety, because we didnt want to see football players hurting others, which in american football is a legit concern, but riding a bike? Come on who is getting hurt?

@alexserrano2850

4 жыл бұрын

There was an spike in heart attacks among the pro riders during the EPO era. It's not an innocuous substance just like any drug.

Can anyone tell me why Team Sky had a bus where at the press if a button the glass fogged up? Just asking.

@crazie429

5 жыл бұрын

The glass is tinted on the outside of the bus you can see through any team bus windows

@anthonythorne8963

5 жыл бұрын

@@crazie429 Sir you did not see the GCN video where the glass door to an internal meeting room could be made opaque on denand Google it. If you can't find the video ... removed??? No. See GCN youtube video Inside the team Sky Bus. OB1 KA no B. That one.

@chris1275cc

5 жыл бұрын

@@anthonythorne8963 LOL why do you think that is significant? If it was just a normal door that is permanently frosted or just made of solid wood it would serve the same purpose BUT would you still be asking this question? The reason is it is not a good idea to let everyone on the staff know team tactics, (which to be fair could include doping) as the staff member could give or even just let slip that information to a rival team.

Walsh went after Armstrong, fine. But then Walsh believes in Froome. Yeah what a tool.

@charlesellis4775

5 жыл бұрын

Kalashnikov Cortez Walsh publicly stated he believes Froome is a doper

@anthonythorne8963

5 жыл бұрын

Glad to hear that.

Lance has been the scapegoat for the backlash against doping. The fact is that 99% of the men on the podium with him during his most successful years were cheating too. Lance just happened to be the best at it. During those years the cyclists really had no choice. Blame the corrupt and greedy UCI, who cared more about making money than protecting the health of the cyclists and the legacy of the sport.

They were all on it not just Lance .

Lance Armstrong doped, but his comeback from cancer and his wins were not due solely to EPO. There were so many factors that Postal did right, including having a man like Lance who was a fierce competitor.

@marcelboogaard5449

5 жыл бұрын

jason schifo Please read Tyler Hamilton’s book and then get back to me. If the whole peloton was clean Lance would have a chance of winning. The peloton has never been clean and never will but systematic blood doping by a whole cycling team is wrong. They done nothing good for cycling.

@peterf1

5 жыл бұрын

The only honest answer to this is. . . we will never know.

To paraphrase Tim Moore in his book 'Gironimo'- I don't hate Lance Armstrong because he won 7 Tour de Frances', I hate him because he was such an ugly personality

This Walsh guy sure puts a lot of effort towards being dramatic. Why isn't he including Uhlrich and Basso and on and on and on...

@johandeboer9325

5 жыл бұрын

Gebby Have you even listen to all the facts about the magnitude off his dope and the organisation around him? It was immense and horrifying. He doped on another level and got finally what he deserved.

@gebhardt2

5 жыл бұрын

Johan De Boer I know all the facts you know and it was over a decade ago. I moved on.

@johandeboer9325

5 жыл бұрын

Gebby Case closed

@surfinDelMar

5 жыл бұрын

And the French darling, Richard Virenque, who got his entire Festina team thrown out of the TdF in the middle of the race. Festina was a doping machine. Let’s not forget Merckx and many many others who also were caught doping and banned substances. They’ve always looked for an edge in cycling...guys used cocaine and methamphetamines.

@BioStuff415

5 жыл бұрын

and all the others too.

they were all doping

I'm no defender of LA BUT as Anquetil responded in the 60s: "It takes more than just bread an water to win TDF" [or smt like that]. To win TDF people have to realise that it takes more than than training and a normal diet - it has always, and it will always require that. The best rider on pane e acqua? [bread & water: meaning non-dopers] probably someone from pos. 30 and downwards. We'' never know. Is it sad, or should we rather acknowledge that between the best 10 riders one person is better: the winner !?

Was the blood doping to hide the EPO from testing?

@wudipest

3 жыл бұрын

it was to dilute the haematocrit count to less than 50%. at that time, there was no way to directly test for EPO, so the rules were that if your haematocrit was > 50%, you cannot race (for safety reasons - risks of clots, strokes). the authorities knew they were all on EPO but could never prove it. hope that makes sense

When is he going to start working on Team Sky?

@FB1BB1BB1

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah..Put your hands by your side...Hypocrite

To quote Bill Burr: "So our roided up guy beat your roided up guy" - The whole sport is crooked with drug infused cyclists.

@hoecorn

5 жыл бұрын

ty finally a person who sees it for what it is

@2299mikey

5 жыл бұрын

NorwaySummer that’s a very juvenile way to look at it. Lance had the best access to drugs and had the highest quality possible. Not to mention he regularly used his brand to hold the UCI hostage and basically dared them to ruin their sport. He knew they needed him. He got guys kicked out of the sport and ruin people’s lives and families to protect himself. Lance even used to get the UCI to warn people to slow down and stop challenging him or the UCI would test them more until they got the failed test and could suspend the guy. Not to mention lance was given a “suspension” after his 7th title and that’s why he “retired” for a few years. Lance is the biggest cheat in sports history

@wvu05

4 жыл бұрын

@@hoecorn Greg Lemond sends his regards.

@neonnaughtsie4726

4 жыл бұрын

@@wvu05 What makes you so sure Lemond was clean? Surely you realize the entire peloton was doping during Lemond's winning years, right? Do you honestly think he was able to win three tours against a doped-out peloton while being squeaky clean himself, LOL? If so, I've got a nice bridge for sale.

@wvu05

4 жыл бұрын

@@neonnaughtsie4726 There are different levels of doping. EPO didn't become a thing until 1992, and that is when he could no longer keep up. And it has literally never been "everyone has doped." There have always been clean cyclists, even if it was the minority. And saying "He won, therefore he cheated" is just as naive as saying that everyone was clean.

Cycling is a dirty sport, it always has been and they used Lance as a cop out, it's way easier to shoulder the blame on Lance for being dirty, strip him of all his titles and act like all is well. If they stripped everyone who doped, 80% of the winners of the tour would be stripped and they wouldn't have any reputation as a sport.

@MalcolmJameson_1

4 жыл бұрын

William Ross more like 99,9% winners. I hate this hypocrisy - all sports should be allowed to use whatever doping there is, just with one rule - do it openly and tell the world what and how much you are taking. Professional sport is long time no more a clean game. But by allowing any doping it can be clean and fair again.

@donmcfarlane9517

2 жыл бұрын

This “everyone is doing it” excuse for LA is crap. The dozens of riders in Tours are not all using PEDS to the same extent. Look at the disparities in pay between team leaders and domestiques. The differences in budgets. LA had resources unique to his status, that were not enjoyed by everybody. In Mercx day it was caffeine and cognac. Everyone could afford it, a lot cheaper than Dr. Ferrari.

All cheaters, liars, and theifs, and it starts from the corporate level

@PittsburghAfterDark

5 жыл бұрын

No, it doesn't. It starts with the kid that steals a cookie. The person that flops on a high school soccer field for a penalty. The crib sheets during an exam you didn't study for. Wanting a chance at that man/woman you think is prettier than your current mate. None of that starts with anyone other than the individual.

@pamgreen3451

5 жыл бұрын

@@PittsburghAfterDark If I could put a thousand "likes" after your statement, I would. RIGHT: It ALL starts with the individual. The End.

@neonnaughtsie4726

4 жыл бұрын

@@PittsburghAfterDark Actually, De Dub is correct. Cheating starts at the top and trickles down. The kid who steals a cookie does so because his parents either don't teach him right from wrong or aren't watching him as they should. When you apply this to cycling, it was the governing bodies of the sport, and all the corporate sponsors, who deliberately looked away while all the riders were doping because it was financially in their best interest to do so. As long as the money was rolling in they had no interest in doing anything to rock the boat. It was only when their hand was forced that they bothered to do their jobs. When you create a regulatory entity to regulate a given market or sport, and then make it a point to not actually regulate, you give a green light to bad actors that essentially encourages them to cheat.

David Walsh... Mr "Sky Racing is clean" rofl...

@r13p13

5 жыл бұрын

Sam Smith he's on the payroll

@wudipest

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah. He was cynical about Lance but not about Wiggins, Froome, Thomas or Team Sky.

@turkyish

Жыл бұрын

What? He doesn’t believe they are clean at all, he said it on the morning show,

@user-zx1ir7jt4c

Жыл бұрын

@@turkyish thanks for joining the party 4 years later! 🥳

Now that you spent all your time and energy taking down Lance Armstrong, who is your next target?

@TheNWaite

5 жыл бұрын

The worlds next biggest drug cheat. Whoever that may be.

@Miguel195211

4 жыл бұрын

N 05250 Very well said!

@KabbalahSherry

2 жыл бұрын

Hopefully more athletes ☝🏼😆🏈⚽️ LMAO Seriously, cheaters have no business being the face of their sport! Period! WTF do you tell your OWN kids, if you're idolized assholes like Lance Armstrong?! That as long as you don't get caught it's ok?! Or if you're still really, really good at the sport anyway, "it doesn't count"?! 🥴🤣 Jesus, do people even have morals anymore, or is it just "anything goes", as long as there's a sh*t-ton of money, fame or power as the reward?! The dude's a dirt bag, and NOT just for the cheating, which honestly, could be easily forgiven. It's the fact that he ruined so many lives, trying to keep it all covered up, and behaved so jaw-droppingly despicable towards others, that now that the facts have come out.... It just looks weird even trying to defend it man. It honestly makes YOU lack integrity. Just sayin.

Interesting premise, but every top cyclist was doping.. Riis, Pantani, Ulrich, Contador, Wiggins, Zulle. Only an idiot would believe that Miguel Indurain won Giro and Tour clean back to back.

@georgelugenalt200

5 жыл бұрын

Or Greg LeMond, that POS

Rich piana was my favorite fullnatty brah bodybuilder just hard work and dedication ... Come on its 2018 all the Big hitters are on drugs It is their job isnt It?

I feel there is something very sinister about all this. It likely says more about the narcissistic jealousy of some who cannot bear to see others achieve what they never could themselves. In reality, he didn't care who was drugged up if they came second.

@christinalindsay5857

3 жыл бұрын

I adored Lance Armstrong....everyone doped then....This guy Walsh was truly after Lance. It is so sad what happened to Lance...I still respect his talent.

@okyouknowwhatever

3 жыл бұрын

Lance treated people like shit. If you treat people like shit the way Lance did, yeah there's quite a big risk someone would want to hit you right back in the face. Vengeance is a hell of a drug.

@timmyg44

3 жыл бұрын

@@okyouknowwhatever those few who came after Lance as hard as they did didn't interact with him at all, so i guess you mean his teammates who were also doping?? And yes, being a arrogant is part and parcel with the character needed to succeed at that level.

Cycling has never been a clean sport. 2019 and still doping..

@ChiTownBrownie89

5 жыл бұрын

look at masters racers in the US (35 years and older) you know how easy it is for them to get the blue pill?

@tonyfranklin8306

5 жыл бұрын

And you think other sports have not doped? Even the Greeks doped in the early Olympiads, track and field has not just been littered with doping but actually doping to an extent that women have physically changed into men (Eastern bloc field event athletes), doping was so horrendous in track and field that some of the records have been out of reach for decades. Nowadays soccer, tennis, golf get a massive pass because of the money involved. Cycling is the singularly most tested, by a very large margin!

@cup_and_cone

5 жыл бұрын

@@ChiTownBrownie89 - Yup...half the Masters fields are old dudes who are not properly declaring their meds that they end up abusing, be it hormone therapy for testosterone, Viagra, or albuterol inhalers, and are not following proper USADA reporting procedure. There is a reason why random masters drug tests rarely happen, and why local race organizers shooaway drug testers for amateur racing. And when they do come, half the field doesn't race.

@lukabobic2892

4 жыл бұрын

Dont watch it then

@Kidgloves1984

4 жыл бұрын

Do you have any concrete proof of that?

Is the name of movie “the program”….?

@wreckim

4 жыл бұрын

Yes.

OK, but why so fixated on one guy, Lance. Even in this little clip he narrated that Lance followed those before him. Was Lance worse than others? I don't know, maybe. But how is everyone else OK? It's clearly between understood and known that other TDF winners were doping. It's quite clear that the UCI at least turned a blind eye and more probable clearly knew. I don't think that Lance should be the number one fall guy in this story that's much larger than Lance. Walsh comes across well, but again he was fixated on one guy (because Lance took a cheap shot in foosball? Who knows why, but he seemed to make it personal. ) and all but missed the larger story. I think we are not even close to any reasonable equilibrium in this whole case.

@Schnidler

5 жыл бұрын

others didnt start a freakin charity and sued everyone?

@unrealhit88

5 жыл бұрын

Michael Buckley he won 7 Tour de France which has never been done by a person who went from having cancer and coming in at 36 in the tour to 1st, 1st, 1st .......... and 4 more

@jeffk464

5 жыл бұрын

Well he was the most visible.

@jeffk464

5 жыл бұрын

But yeah it was basically the doping Olympics. Just wait for gene editing with Crispr.

@donniebelk2669

5 жыл бұрын

@@Schnidler Is starting a charity to help others a bad thing?

Back in 1990 everyone who was a serious bicycle racer knew about EPO. You really think Big Mig did it all on his own?

@FTMJarra

4 жыл бұрын

Indurain, the first EPO champion, never sanctioned.....absolute disgrace.

@polycrase

4 жыл бұрын

The difference is that Indurain was and is a humble, tactful and generous man. He never pissed anybody off in the peloton. Had Lance had the same approach, he would have kept his 7 TDF wins.

@billbobaggins801

4 жыл бұрын

@@polycrase omg! If you knew him you wouldn't say that. He's been that way his entire life. Its his job, and he doesn't care to be your friend or pat you on the back. You get on and shut your mouth and pedal. Thats it,,,,just do your job........

@alpha3488

2 жыл бұрын

@@billbobaggins801 Armstrong literally bullied clean cyclists out of the peleton.

Let's see DW take Sky down next!

@tomkunich9401

5 жыл бұрын

For what? All you have to do is study how they achieve their wins and it is pretty obvious that they are clean. I predict the Tour average speed will be slower this year since the increases have been from shortening the distances. But the climbing stages have been slower. What you can also see is that the teams have all converted to close teamwork with heavy support of the team leader. This makes a far more supporting team for the leader. Lemons had one man supporting him in his first win. This close support idea came from Lance.

@tomkunich9401

5 жыл бұрын

Also from advances in technology.

The bigest cheat movie i have seen

I want to know what’s been done to stop doping in 2018? Does anybody know?

@casualguy393

5 жыл бұрын

You haven't gotten an answer yet.

@borisapantelic7186

5 жыл бұрын

Casualguy 939 yes I think the answer is fuck all 🤣

@LeZinZin95

5 жыл бұрын

Look up for «biological passport»

@abcxyz6880

5 жыл бұрын

I dont think they are clean these days, but at least cycling is the cleanest sport throug the best doping Control system.

If all the pro cyclists are doping at the tour, why is it such a tragedy that one of them wins? Its called competition and each one are doing what it took to compete. No surprise there. Also everyone reacts differently to doping, some it helps and others not much at all. If the testing body could not detect it, then Lance won fair and square against the other dopers. If you cant make the sport clean, you cant complain after the fact. The Olympics where Soviet Union and other countries were wide spread doping and winning. Bodybuilding, boxing, etc... get real. And we single out cycling? What a unfair and farce attitude against cycling.

@crazie429

5 жыл бұрын

Shouldn't have had his titles striped, but then cheats need to be punished somehow to discourage it to others.

@shooter7a

5 жыл бұрын

The fastest guy on EPO is not the same as the fastest guy clean. It is NOT TRUE that if everyone dopes, and no one dopes...the same guy will win. For example. Miguel Indurain. Here are is Tour Results. Pre EPO DNF DNF 96th 74th 17th 10th After EPO 1st 1st 1st 1st 1st 11th Indurain had really large lungs...but his natural physiology could not take advantage of them. If everyone is clean..he never EVER wins a TOUR. With EPO...he wins 5...even though everyone else was also on EPO. It warps the results in an un-natural way Every tour prior to EPO Indurain got dropped by 10-20 minutes (!!) on the Ale D'Huez stage! 10-20 minutes. Every single time from 1985-1990. In the first Tour d'EPO (1991). He finished 1 SECOND behind the winner! He was not the only one doping. All the fast guys were. But the dope helped him WAY MORE. So it is all fake BS.

@KurtVogel88

5 жыл бұрын

You're making the mistake of believing that drugs have the same effect on each person's body as well as the mistake of believing that each team was equally skilled in using drugs.

I still believe lance Armstrong is the greatest cyclist of all time

@billbobaggins801

4 жыл бұрын

He is and ALWAYS will be! People are also alive because of his cancer center.

@johnsmith7759

4 жыл бұрын

1000% agree the GOAT 🐐

same joke with froome, contador, Nibali and all winner and top 20 riders.

@FB1BB1BB1

5 жыл бұрын

Hands by my side. HAH!!!

@huzcer

5 жыл бұрын

Even if they are cheating (no evidence) they are not aggressive sociopaths who would fuck up other people's lives without remorse like Armstrong.

I like how Walsh is all buddies with Brailsford and Team sky. What a joke.

@dc8890

5 жыл бұрын

He has questioned them in his articles in the past and criticised them. So I think your post is completely misplaced.

@gezzarandom

4 жыл бұрын

Not anymore he isn’t

This is a little comical, as I don't believe that Walsh is credited with "taking down" Armstrong at all.

@chris1275cc

5 жыл бұрын

Yes he is the UCI would have rather swept it under the carpet.

@dylantodd9574

5 жыл бұрын

chris1275cc no... he’s really not. It doesn’t matter what the UCI and McQuaid did or didn’t want to do, He was an antagonist, but he wasn’t the giant killer this movie and Walsh’s book makes him out to be.

@gezzarandom

4 жыл бұрын

What brought LA down was his comeback when he turned his back on Floyd Landis. Then Landis spilled the beans as to what was going on, which encouraged more of Armstrong’s ex teammates to come forward, and from there it was all downhill.

A decade of lying, cheating, and bullying...no honor there. A terrible human being...he ruined his life and others doing something as unimportant as riding a bicycle....

@TheDEADMANbiking

5 жыл бұрын

riding a bicycle is not unimportant to anyone who rides. it has saved us from obesity, cardiovascular disease, etc...

@chris1275cc

5 жыл бұрын

Ruined his life LOL. He's a multi millionaire that lives a life of luxury and privilege, Every cent of it is a direct result of illegal activity and fraud and yet he has never been to prison and likely never will, he still has legions of fans and supporters, still holds a celebrity status and what price has he had to pay? a load of people he doesn't give a fuck about hate him. If only I could ruin my life so badly.

@alexserrano2850

4 жыл бұрын

@@chris1275cc And that's a very American way of thinking that we can see in some stories such as The Wolf of Wall Street. It's about capitalism in the end, eh? That's the moral of the story: cheat, lie, kill, intimidate, manipulate, put your health at risk or blackmail anyone in order to earn just a little bit more money.

Ciclista mais top tá história

where do i find this movie? i want to watch it but i simply can't find where to rent it (or buy). thank you.

@elbob248

8 жыл бұрын

+Rodrigo Delgado Go to Netflix and watch the documentary called Stop At Nothing. Why watch a dramatic reenactment when you can watch the real thing?

@Agent.Michael_Scarn

8 жыл бұрын

It is now on Amazon Prime as well

@faizy1545

8 жыл бұрын

The movie is "The program".

Where's the scepticism with Froome and Thomas and so many of the riders nowadays?

@Agent.Michael_Scarn

8 жыл бұрын

There has been scepticism with Froome, thats why he released his race data. Its a lot more difficult now to get away with taking drugs in sport. You see big profile cases like Sharapova and currently with the Russian athletes. Anyone who're taking performance enhancing drugs will be caught now. If they haven't yet, they definitely will be

@hater3669

8 жыл бұрын

+T Bookah You really think that Froome can be faster than Armstrong in his juiced prime and be clean ? Just asking...

@gezzarandom

6 жыл бұрын

Cycling's creditably has been permanently damaged, nobody believes anyone is clean these days, I think its only a matter of time before another shit storm comes out.

@notsoscared4943

6 жыл бұрын

ephabouyed hail Sir Bradley Wiggins !!!!!

@nunooliveirakem

6 жыл бұрын

George Hobhouse on lemond

Druggie and cheater - a pure American.

David Walsh is a Welp🤐Lance Will ALWAYS be the The GOAT!!💪

To me it wasn't the fact that Lance cheated because almost all did , he did what he had to do , it was the brutal lying against the innocent .

@guynoir3116

4 жыл бұрын

@@robinmcewen3286 Yes . I was a big fan of L.A. and for a blink in time he made cycling , especially in America, stupendously exciting while behind the scenes, unbeknownst to many, all was askew. Cycling has not been the same for me , Lance committed unforgivable sins with his destruction of lives .

Yes, but the problem is, why going after Amstrong and not the others that actually dope as hell as well? None of the top 20 cyclists don't dope. There is some kind of hypocrisy there. Why taking down Amstrong and not the others? Why Virenque doesn't have his successes canceled during the times he acknowledged having taken drugs. Taking down Amstrong and making him a scapegoat, is the best way for the others to carry one doping. The problem with this journalist is that he wants to take down Amstrong because he was immensely successful, but he doesn't want to end the doping system that is institutionalized. This journalist is not against doping, he is against success. That is a total hypocrite. The reason why Armstrong was successful wasn't only doping. He had incredible capacities (organization, focus, physical abilities, the skills to gather the best ones around him, etc.), which other cyclists completely miss. Doping is just a part of his success not all. Many good cyclists in the peloton would not even have the capability to compete on the tour de France without doping. This journalist is bitter and driven by jealousy and envy. And he hides behind his virtue signaling narrative.

@derekwildash2683

4 жыл бұрын

This has been answered many times. Do some research.

2:00 Ferrari was right

Can you say that the Tour of France has ever been won by a clean rider. In my opinion no.

@wvu05

4 жыл бұрын

Greg Lemond

@neonnaughtsie4726

4 жыл бұрын

@@wvu05 Proof?

@wvu05

4 жыл бұрын

@@neonnaughtsie4726 What is your evidence that he cheated? The people who said it about Asteriskstrong had evidence.

@neonnaughtsie4726

4 жыл бұрын

@@wvu05 You claimed Lemond was clean. I'm just asking for proof. If you don't have any, just say so. Much easier than trying to change the subject to Armstrong.

@wvu05

4 жыл бұрын

@@neonnaughtsie4726 No, the burden is on the person making the accusation. Asteriskstrong tried to do so to deflect and he failed. You clearly don't have the evidence, either.

They were ALL using it. Just like baseball - put an asterisk on it and move on.

@2299mikey

5 жыл бұрын

senorboardhead they weren’t all using the same way though. Lance had access to every drug, access to the UCI and access to the people creating the tests so they had months to prepare to beat them. Saying they all were cheating is like going to a car race and seeing a bunch of people in Hondas try and race against an f1 car and call that fair.

@Abnsdllnnlosnfd

5 жыл бұрын

Riders like Charly Mottet, Gilles Delion, Christophe Bassons etc. would disagree...

@peterh1353

5 жыл бұрын

Bullshit. The tests show what is real and what is not. Miguel Induráin had fantastic stats as a child and still does. About 15 percent down on his prime. In other words better than many present riders. Never linked to anybody crooked. Bio passports could make it all real. I had a tremendous pulse range and very strong for my weight. National standard athlete. Beat me up a hill and you were either a national class bike rider or doing something.

@libertyprime9307

5 жыл бұрын

@@peterh1353 The question is how that's relevant to the issue. Some cyclists are naturally closer to the max legal blood cell limit you can reach on EPO and still qualify to race. But to what degree is being born with a natural advantage "fair"? Do we want to equalize for natural advantages, instead measuring dedication and effort? Because if so, there's an argument we should simply let people get to that 49.5% by any means necessary to level the playing field.

@joshuabunkers1494

5 жыл бұрын

Not entirely true. Remember what Mark McGwire said, "I am not here to talk about the past?" Mark refused to throw anybody else under the bus for what he did. Lance threw countless people under the bus and tried to ruin their lives for telling the truth. Emma O'Reilly and Betsy Andreu are the first two that come to my mind. Lance's crimes are not juicing or cheating at cycling. Lance's crimes are being a World Class douche bag and trying to ruin the lives of people who tried to tell the truth, even when telling the truth was not the most popular thing to say. You should be ashamed for even trying to brush Lance's behavior under the rug as if he was just like every other cheater.

Recent Fartstrong list of apologists includes wiggins and cav

Was Lance wrong yep he was, but no one did any thing until an American started winning to many tour the france’s. I mean you want the truth right, well let’s not pretend this was all about integrity and doing the right thing for the sake of sport and mankind. They knew those other European riders were doping but they did nothing for years! If you want to be truly open and honest don’t just stop with Lance right. Lol

@bellavia5

5 жыл бұрын

Cheating is cheating. Lance's problem is that he was cast as a hero . BUT -a hero can't cheat like the other mere mortals. Then -he is NOT a hero. That's why he was taken down so aggressively. If he was just another pro racer that no one was familiar with without the whole cancer comeback narrative he probably would have been left alone . THAT -combined with the fact that his REAL problem was that he was greedy . If he had left the sport with a record breaking 6 wins his EPO story would never have seen he light of day. But NO . He had to have 7 wins and then even that was'nt enough. 'Like the OLD saying goes -"Quit while you're ahead" -otherwise things start to stink.

@bellavia5

5 жыл бұрын

@@sonsoftheedelweiss72 I get your point. But -as I said - if he had been content with his record breaking 6 TDF wins and then exited the scene with all his millions and glory he would never have been investigated because Floyd Landis would'nt have entered the picture. Lance was hooked on the whole scene . The hero worship, the celebrity involvement , the talk shows. The "hypocrites" probably suspected Lance of doping -BUT- and this is a BIG but -Lance was being very good for the sport of professional cycling. They were all lining their pockets because of Lance's fame.

@sonsoftheedelweiss72

5 жыл бұрын

I agree.

@bellavia5

5 жыл бұрын

@@sonsoftheedelweiss72 I often ask myself how I would react if I met LA in person. I would try to understand but also try to get the point across that cheating to succeed is wrong -even if alot of others are doing it.

@sonsoftheedelweiss72

5 жыл бұрын

John I think he is human and made a mistake in poor judgement , but at the end of the day as much as I love sports, it’s just a sport, and people need to understand that and not hate him forever for it. I am not perfect and have made a lot of mistakes in my life. He already suffered major consequences for his actions.

We're does Walsh get is info from ?

Hope your sending Lance a piece of the action. Why the year before didn’t you hunt dopers? All the years before and he never tried to clean up cycling. Armstrong was his meal ticket and he milked it. They all doped yet Lance was his target. Not a fan of Sir Profit

@Schnidler

5 жыл бұрын

because lance was the worst of them all?

@cypriano8763

5 жыл бұрын

Your absolutely right. In 1999 Walsh had been reporting on Cycling for a while. He knew full well what the name of the game was. Cycling is no different that any major professional sport. Why go after Lance if he knew most, if not all the pro peloton was on a doping program. To make a name for himself and to make money of course. He is the one thats really damaged the sport of cycling. He threw the sport under the bus for fortune and fame. Make no mistake, longtime cycling fans know exactly what he did and will always consider him as a traitor Lance did what he had to do, all world tour teams had sophisticated doping programs. You take all the drugs away, guess who would still win

@surfinDelMar

5 жыл бұрын

alphadog62 Nailed it!

Indurain was called "El Extraterrestre" he stills "clean" in history.

@shooter7a

5 жыл бұрын

100% correct. Here are Indurain's Tour results. Pre EPO 1985-1990: DNF DNF 96th 74th 17th 10th. After EPO 1991-1996: 1st 1st 1st 1st 1st 11th . From 1985-1990...every single year...he got dropped by 10-24 MINUTES on the Alpe DHuez stage. 10-24 MINUTES. Then in 1991...he is in the lead group! He still holds the 7th fastest time up Alpe DHuez! Just a coincidence that his sudden form comes when EPO enters cycling.... Indurain had huge lungs...but the rest of his physiology could not take advantage of them. EPO changed that. The argument that "if they all dope it is still a level playing field" is nonsense. The only way Miguel wins is if he is on EPO...even if everyone else is. It creates un-natural results. You do not determine the best athlete...you determine the person who responds the best to dope.

@peterf1

5 жыл бұрын

@@shooter7a Yes.

@mkaleborn

5 жыл бұрын

@@shooter7a Cheers, well stated. I'm amazed so many people still think "they all did it / equal playing field" means a damn thing.

Lance was the BEST TDF rider in history, EVER, bar none. His arrogance and inability to tell the truth was his downfall. The cycling world needed someone (An arrogant American) to have as a scapegoat. Every single motherfucker racing in that sport was on EPO, low dose roids for faster injury healing, blood doping and that's the fat stinking truth. Lance will forever be remembered as a cheater but in reality everyone else at his level was doing basically the same thing. Lance really was just that good. One of the best, if not the best TDF cyclist ever.

@j.r.arnolli7494

4 жыл бұрын

Ted Davis // Lemond, another arrogant American, also a great rider, but also human made Greg Lemond a better TDF rider.

@fwblok836

3 жыл бұрын

Usa took him down not cycling world.

Revising history is wrong ... once a winner is confirmed .. it's too late to go back years later and change the winner. All those top cyclists were doing drugs. ... it's the racing organizations fault for not policing and controlling drug use .. they are the ones who should be shamed and scholded for allowing and maintaining a dangerous competitive environment.

4:32 not a joke "common man" he did what all the others were doing.... How is that a joke?

@jamesviice4217

4 жыл бұрын

how is it not real? how is it different than any other champion since Lemond (1991-2015,16,17,18, 19,,,,... ????)?

Every year every race It is the same! One who believes in clean CYCLING dreams…..

@gwhite1932

5 жыл бұрын

Cleaner

Here you can see what can media do..

Ok but what about the motor armstrong bike would have been fiited with, the same motor that a hangarian engineer innovated in septembre 1998 and sold at millions dollar to an American bike s manufacturer.

@jayaybe1

5 жыл бұрын

What about it?