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@firstinstinct420

6 ай бұрын

Wonder if he has CTE

@robertcrystals

5 ай бұрын

Love thinking about the perfect gift whilst listening about a murderer

@koushalnathnaik1466

2 ай бұрын

​r do😢😢

@ambassador724

Ай бұрын

@@robertcrystals lol

Skateboarding won't take him back. Don't want him

@Nuttyirishman85

5 ай бұрын

Yes they will, took hosoi back with open arms.

@HARDL3FT

5 ай бұрын

Seriously. I mean "we" cancelled Jason Jesse for saying the n-word 100 years ago. Skateboarding hates you forever for the smallest things. So yea, Gator not coming back.

@unseenforcs

5 ай бұрын

@@Nuttyirishman85 very different situations. hosoi was a beloved friend to all who got caught up with hard drugs. he did 5 years and got clean, and he worked very hard, and works very hard every day to redeem himself. we love Hosoi. Gator on the other hand was an extremely thin skinned weirdo who literally murdered a woman because his girlfriend dumped him and he couldnt handle being rejected. He was riding with extreme emotional baggage from a damaged childhood and money and fame and ego were too much for him to handle. He went crazy and murdered an innocent woman in cold blood. let him rot in prison - we dont want him out

@morgellon7877

5 ай бұрын

​@@Nuttyirishman85Hosoi didn't do anything morally wrong. So, he snuggled drugs for the black market; people are always going to use drugs, and the black market will always exist when a free market is negated by big government run amok. The government simply outlaws unavoidably ubiquitous human nature to exploit the inevitable black market crime that inevitably rises to the occasion. It's anti-capitalist in the extreme, yet right-wing morons who support big government claim to be capitalist. They're commies just like the Democrats.

@beau5316

5 ай бұрын

​how stupid of a comment. Are you kidding me? Your wires are crossed big time. Don't ever compare Hosoi to Gator. That's bullshit.

skateboarding as a "trend" wasnt all of skateboarding.. street skating scene was born from inner city kids that didnt have pools or half-pipes - it basically evolved independently. the real issue is that vert skating kinda went off the radar as guys like gator didnt or couldnt evolve quick enough as the market and brands shifted attention to smaller decks, smaller wheels, and started showcasing guys skating terrain that most kids had access to. vert skating kinda died out but regained attention once the kids grew up and started organizing in the cities to get skateparks built. interestingly enough, the original skate sponsors are nowhere to be found.. wtf does monster and red bull have anything to do with skating? they dont make products. it's all commercialized now.

"Gator the Skater" 0:42 lmao I couldn't stop laughing, he was never called that.

@wendaltvedt4673

4 ай бұрын

I think this guy pulled a lot of baseless crap out of his ass in this video

@terrorsquadlith

4 ай бұрын

gator the pimp

@TheGravygun

4 ай бұрын

They did call him a scumbag in a murdering Pig that's more like it

@hitmixhyepock9405

4 ай бұрын

He was....

@maggiemolly111

3 ай бұрын

😂Exactly. “Gator the Hater” maybe!

Jessica Bergsden was the daughter of a well known defense attorney from Phoenix. Gator the skator aint getting out.

@patrickbowman8841

4 ай бұрын

Yeah it sounded like those Newsom parole denials were coming from a place of high up connections. I figured someone was in his ear about this case.

killing someone for literally no other reason than they remind you of your ex? stay in prison, there's no coming back from that

@Kawiboy

5 ай бұрын

Agreed 👊✌️

@theskateboardfan

5 ай бұрын

Yeah crazy has no fix

@kellenpatton7001

5 ай бұрын

Newsom and California is corrupt

@djbrando202

5 ай бұрын

Killing is bad, paying to lock someone up forever is not sustainable. The girlfriend was a little mini-me of the girl who died and she was cheating and probably a shit person. You have poor judgement and assume too much.

@Jeremya74

5 ай бұрын

Don't worry..he's not getting out

I recommend the documentary "Stoked, the rise and fall of gator". It explains alot.

@nostalgiareport

5 ай бұрын

A bunch of the clips in this are directly lifted from Stoked.

@wendaltvedt4673

4 ай бұрын

much better than this guy did

What’s crazy is there’s people who have murdered people and only gotten like 7 years in prison.

@mackash

5 ай бұрын

Exactly. I know of a couple. And it was worse than this. He is being made an example of, or some high up has it in for him.

@stevemills1960

5 ай бұрын

The documentary they made about him in early 2000s, which this video appears to be based on, did him no favors for getting parole.

@ryanjacobson2508

5 ай бұрын

There actually have been convicted serial killers released. Not because of law enforcement mistakes or anything, but because the courts have given them sentencing terms that allowed for their release. This is moreso true in cases with several killers, where one cooperates more with police than the others.

@4sername

2 ай бұрын

They were prob mostly women

@fernandomaron87

2 ай бұрын

​@@4sernameMen as well

He can stay in prison. It's disgusting that anyone would want him to be let out of prison

@brettbanta2100

5 ай бұрын

👍 agree

@mantelmann13

5 ай бұрын

Thanks. I don't like the praise that he's getting in the comments.

@dreamersdisease2481

3 ай бұрын

But they let out Nelson Mandela

Thanks to Helen Stickler for most of this content from her movie Stoked: the Rise and Fall of Gator. From 2003

@Devildogcacti

4 ай бұрын

rented it from hollywood video as youth. Great DOC

I have a different take. Regardless of whether or not he should be granted parole, I believe it is wrong to be granted parole and then have the decision reversed. Maybe the decision was wrong, but an entire board of people whose job it is decided he should get parole. Even if they were somehow wrong, why do they even exist when their decision doesn't matter and the governor can reverse it all anyway? I'm not some weird Gator stan. Gator can rot in hell for all I care, but the justice system is fucked when they tell a person that has served whatever sentence society and/or criminal justice has deemed appropriate, "we're letting you out, oh wait, just kidding, the governor says no." That's not justice, that's fucked up.

I skated in the late 70's until the mid 80's. Then I owned a bike shop and sold skateboards. Sold many of his decks along the way.

Newsom is more of a danger to society than Gator.

@MarR310

5 ай бұрын

Lol😂😂 you maybe right

@jf4313

5 ай бұрын

You are clearly an idiot.

@K-Vandal

5 ай бұрын

100%

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Forcible rape and murder. And only because she had the traits he saw in an ex girlfriend? He should stay in prison and should still remain barred from career recognition by the skateboarding community.

@howardb.6205

6 ай бұрын

Lifetime in hell next

@joshuahutchinson9982

6 ай бұрын

@@howardb.6205 I agree completely

@morgellon7877

5 ай бұрын

Most skaters from that era ignore his existence. Which is hard to do, considering he was a central figure; people talk about Hawk and Hosoi, but there was also that black spot right up there with them. He was a jock asshole, and skateboarding- at least in the 90's up until my generation of the early 00's- rejected all jockism. Street skaters could care less about some 80's jock, especially some rapist murderer 80's jock. Jeff Grosso (RIP) did a great job avoiding talking about Mark Rogowski; he did mention him at least once for historical purposes in his "Love Letters to Skateboarding Series", but amended that mention with, "but Gator sucks", which is pretty much the general consensus. There's a few fried idiots who support MG, but they're kooks, and they suck. Also, I didn't mean to suggest all those 80's vert skaters were jocks. Tony Hawk was a nerd, the farthest thing from a jock, and Hosoi was a sexy artist of the sky. 80's vert was a freakshow, and I love that about it. Unfortunately, there was also that jock black spot.

@stewartneale1823

5 ай бұрын

Hated by Skaters

@TurtleC0mic

5 ай бұрын

@@howardb.6205only God makes that decision wake up

Does he deserve to be released? What he did was horrific and for No reason. What about the victims family? Smh

Ask yourself this: Do you support the Constitution of the United States of America? When people are convicted they are given determinant or indeterminant prison terms. If they have an indeterminant term, the low end (in his case, 31 years) is only for those who have exemplary behavior in prison. The crime they are convicted of has a bearing on sentencing. In a situation where the Constitution is respected, his behavior in prison would decide whether he serves the low end of the indeterminant term or something longer; up to his entire life. To use the crime he has been convicted of (rather than his behavior in prison and efforts toward rehabilitation) to justify spending longer in prison than the low end of the determinant sentence is unconstitutional. But it happens in almost 100 percent of the cases in California because the California Prison System has no interest whatsoever in observing the rights of prisoners. To people with an emotional investment in seeing him serve more time than is constitutionally correct, don't worry. The California Prison system has you covered. Almost nobody gets out when they legally should. Again ask yourself: Constitution? or Feelings? What's more important to you? I'm not here to dictate people's decisions. Just to shine a light on what's really going on.

@dstarks360

5 ай бұрын

Really, this is nonsense. The USA violates international law constantly, the rich get away with crimes entirely, etc. etc.

@rebusd

5 ай бұрын

I would say that even if he has served his time, the skate world would still give him time-and-a-half. Let those of us without sin hope we never get framed for something so heinous in California.

@seancallahan1312

5 ай бұрын

Whoever besides @rebusd that commented, KZread is censoring your comment and it's invisible. It says 2 comments, but only @rebusd is visible. Just letting you know. To @rebusd: I don't know that he was framed. California's justice system is so messed up, we can be sure that his rights were violated. Just like yours will be if you ever come across the CA justice system for any reason, innocent or guilty.

@mattnuevo6334

5 ай бұрын

These days, feelings are more important than freedom.. not to mention that incarceration is a big bucks business. Not excusing what Gator did, but give him a chance, or..

I was a skater, but he came up after I was out of it. Once you get out of high school shit gets real - But, I followed it loosely, of course everyone who claimed to be a skater knew his name, and some his reputation as a big richard but so were a lot of people then so that doesn't influence me one way or another. Even assholes can be loving to a dog or a cat and that's good, I don't have to live with em so dgaf. I went to school with a dude, that after HS, his GF broke up with him, he shot her and her new BF - dbl life~ never getting out - and he shouldn't, Dude was a nutcase. Gator here? Well, I'm sorry, but that was someone's daughter, sister, aunt niece - and if you were one of them, what would you think? I don't care who you are, what you've done outside of the fact you're a cold blooded murderer. If it were my choice, we wouldn't even be having this discussion because he'd be in a cemetery with a nice marble plaque, maybe some skating photo etched into it. No man, it wasnt an accident, he knew what he was doing but his rage was too powerful for reasonable thought. that's a chemistry/electrical thing going on with broken machines. Would he do it again? probably not but ask yourself if you want him living next door?

@islamicsalami7208

5 ай бұрын

Well said, sir.

@joejoe2658

5 ай бұрын

if some arbitrary number made you stop skating, you were never serious in the first place.

@rojocar8194

5 ай бұрын

Shit gets real lol

@termikes174

5 ай бұрын

Once a a real skater, always a skater. I remember gator back then as well, I even had some vision street wear gear. I remember his cheesy ads and seeing him on MTV or something thinking he was too cool for school. I also heard details of his crimes so I believe he should NEVER be released.

This should have way more views. quality is crazy

@scotthughes7440

4 ай бұрын

? Really?

@fernandomaron87

2 ай бұрын

It's all ripped off from Gator's documentary 'Stoked'

He didn't give Jessica a second chance, so why should he get one?

Imagine being the only criminal in the entire state that Gavin Newsome actually KEEPS in prison 😅

@anthonyv6962

5 ай бұрын

Imagine being the de facto leader of the 5th largest economy in the world. An economy that single-handedly keep red states aflot because said states almost all operate at a loss and are the worst performing states by almost every metric. Be surprised if you can state an actual policy of any politician.l I've noticed lot of you are operating on low information or maybe low O2. Probably both.

I would see him at the Del Mar skate ranch back In the early-mid 80’s. He was an idol of mine back then he was literally a rock star. It was smashing to hear of his crimes and downfall.

Dude should stay in jail

So, just because he skate boarded (or did something else you can relate to)...... people are willing to forgive him and allow him back to the public after murdering someone? The human psyche is very strange and disturbed.

@SandlapperSam

5 ай бұрын

Kinda like how people still listen to and praise Michael Jackson for his music even after the horrible things he did to children.

@acecashman1237

5 ай бұрын

@@SandlapperSam *cough* not guilty verdict

@SandlapperSam

5 ай бұрын

@@acecashman1237 that’s true. OJ Simpson got one of those too.

@28russ

5 ай бұрын

@@acecashman1237Cough OJ Simpson Cough cough. 🤷‍♂😂

@joejoe2658

5 ай бұрын

yea, some cunts can't even spell skateboard...

When I first started skating, Gator was still pro, but it was moving towards street skating already. Still, he was definitely well-known and the details of the murder almost seemed unbelievable. The details were disgusting. I hope he's never released.

@mikecynic5167

5 ай бұрын

Mark Gonzales had a bigger impact on skateboarding than he could ever dream of.

@eaglebauer944

5 ай бұрын

@@mikecynic5167 Point being?

My first pro deck was a Vision Gator! Loved that board

Keep Gator in prison for the rest of his life, no excuses

Dude your video is like a mix of a book report and a moving PowerPoint presentation. I hate this trend among zoomer content creators Plus nobody coming up in the LA scene called him “gator the skater”. I know, I was there.

One thing that has been overlooked by so many is the fact that he suffered a TBI in Europe not long before all this went down. Coupled with alcohol abuse, drug abuse, financial problems, a failing career and a failing relationship, Probably a few other things as well. The TBI is huge though. It can cause uncontrollable fits of rage and other terrible behavior. With all the other factors, it was just a matter of time. So sad that any of this happened, especially for Jessica Bergsten, a beautiful young girl taken way before her time

I remember Gator as a young upcoming skater who used to ride the vision skate label boards and accessories. I remember him well as a hostile personality, his horrible glare at the ramps or events was not that of someone that was a good human being. In fact he punched a young kid in the face at an event here in Australia and stood glaring at us menacingly. He pretty much destroyed vision as a label for us after doing what he did selfishly because his pay was getting cut and he was having personal issues which he took out on anyone that he just thought he could if he could willingly get away with it. Unfortunately he took it out on a girl that didn't survive his attacks. They never should let him out, I don't believe he will ever be a good person in society, he's nothing but a no good murderous stalker.

@mikecynic5167

5 ай бұрын

Gator lost it when street skating got big. He didn't completely ruin Vision. Vision had Mark Gonzales on their team. He pretty much made street skating what it is today. I had a Mark Gonzales deck way back in the day. At the end of the day Gator was just a minor character. He wasn't a Tony Hawk or Christian Hosoi. He wasn't even that good. His only claim to fame was raping and murdering his girlfriend and stuffing her in a surfboard bag. If he got out of prison there'd probably more than a few people gunning for him.

@atomicwedgie8176

5 ай бұрын

Why even have a parole board, if the governor can overturn their decision? Just imagine if the parole board's decision was the opposite! He would be walking free! BTW, I think he shouldn't be let out.

@Dan-gi5tu

5 ай бұрын

A mansion girl got released

@Dan-gi5tu

5 ай бұрын

A mansion girl got released

@SPOD_ZONE

5 ай бұрын

That was my friend he punched in the head at that demo with Gonz, Chris Miller etc in Sydney. We would have been 14. He was a big Gator fan, mainly because he had the board, so he was hassling him for an autograph and he could be pretty insistent, so Gator just cracked it and punched him out of the van. We all thought Gator was a loser anyway, and that just solidified it, but we all thought it was so sick as he didn't get hurt, but getting punched by a famous skater seemed insane and kinda hilarious to us. Was crazy to hear this story from the other side when watching the doco.

Correction, I lived in Anaheim California when all this went down. Gator actually confessed to his priest about the murder thinking he would have sanctuary on the eyes of God. But the priest ratted him out to the police. Facts.

@dnyce6278

5 ай бұрын

The way I read it was the priest convinced him to turn himself in

@robertbarnhart7791

5 ай бұрын

Wow that's crazy. I've always said any priest would have to tell the police if that happened

@wakenbreak4837

5 ай бұрын

From what I heard his priest drove with him to the police station to turn himself in.

@reeksreeks3017

5 ай бұрын

He had regret from the beginning. Hmmm

@reydeguerra2807

5 ай бұрын

Correction: Gator confessed to Pastor Brian Brodersen of Calvary Chapel of Vista. Ca. Gator, at times, would visit Calvary Chapel of Vista. After confessing, Pastor Brian told him to turn himself in to the authorities.

Holy absolute crap!!! I cant believe Gavin Newsom actually did something intelligent by denying his parole twice. Never would have thought.

When people get released, as much as the crime they commited was horrible, their freedom/parole allows them to remind people they just suffered and have missed the best slice of their life for some absurd crime they didn't need to commit in the first place, hence warning others off the same insanity. If they don't get released they can't act as some sort of warning beacon, people forget they exist, their crime, they forget about their punishment and their victim and what they lost making society really the biggest victim.

I never heard anyone call him Gator the skater!

I remember renting his documentary from Hollywood video back in the early 2000s as a young skater expecting some light hearted shit 😂

Newsom shouldn’t stick his nose in it.

He's done his time and if sleaze like Sammy the bull can be free to do podcast n live a full life so should Mark! I'm so sick of people judging this man! He is not innocent of what he has created nor does it excuse the facts. But the guy has spent his whole life in there dealing with what he has done n it is something he'll have wrestle with for the rest of his life! Brandi sent the girl to Mark knowing he was in a broken state n the girl was Christian Hosois' ex. The scene was street n Gator wasn't hip to it cos at the time Very skaters were gods n I can agree to that!! I skated in the 80's n once the parks got demolished n the scene died it took to the streets round 87 to 89. I'll catch heat for this but I don't mind cos I know this issue should be resolved instead of trying to show this video n try to prostitute this lady's death over n over again for clicks!?!. It's dumb n I think Mark knows that his life will be like a bug when he gets out. On a joy note,I bet he still could lay a backside 540 better than half the twerps on a deck today. Thx for letting me share n good day

where can i find the interviews featured in the video? i couldnt find any links of sources in the description

@bloodsweatandhammers

6 ай бұрын

Stoked: The Rise and Fall of Gator You can watch the doco with most of these interviews on YT

@MojaveMoron

6 ай бұрын

@@bloodsweatandhammers cheers

@wakenbreak4837

5 ай бұрын

The video is on KZread, and it’s called “stoked” the rise and fall of Mark gator Rogowski.

Yes I was there too. We had a name for Gator after that and it wasn't Gator the Skater, it was "Gator Rage"..which was an apt description of his personality trait. Some of the kids thought that incident was cool but I saw more of that from him and just thought of him as a vicious weirdo. I was a few years older than some of the other kids so I got to hang and see more, saw some really cool stuff but didn't like Gator ever..in fact I gave it to him a few times myself because I didn't like him or his attitude..smashing boards screaming and carrying on like a psycho when he couldn't stick a trick.

I skated in the late 80s and Gator was an icon. I just now found out about this. Wow

@bassage13

5 ай бұрын

What the hell? This was huge news when it happened. It was on mainstream news everywhere.

@fernandomaron87

2 ай бұрын

Were you living at the moon by the early 90s?

My friend lived next door to Gator when he was arrested..we saw his door kicked in with police tape. shit was wild

Can someone explain to me why Josh Swindell gets a pass and Gator doesn't? I might have an idea but am open to others.

@fernandomaron87

2 ай бұрын

Jayboy Adams also was arrested for killing a gay man at after jumping on the guy with a gang, years after he was arrested again for drug smuggling charges

@woodnbikes

7 күн бұрын

Uhhh....Josh didnt rape him? Gator also tried to hide the evidence, had he dug a proper grave he would have gotten away with it. Always did the graves deep people!! Maybe one day someone who deserved it will go in there. That being said, Jessica didn't deserve what she got...

@rebusd

7 күн бұрын

@@woodnbikes dayyumm ok, I had completely forgotten about the >ahem< auxiliary crime. So Gator is an r-word-ist; hence his cancellation. That’s me told; thank you

Drugs and alcohol are remarkable catalysts for self destruction as well as all other forms of destruction. We should be allowed second chances. He was clearly not in his right mind .

I skated with him many times prior to the murder

@backcountrybunghole6356

5 ай бұрын

Same here! Skated and smoked bowls with him many times in San Diego area.

Maybe there is some way with all Gators notoriety he can be involved in anger management of others , being as he is an old man now

Evil narcissist. Keep him behind bars. As kid I was fan and his board was the first I ever bought but never forget the victim. His crime was disgusting and torturous

One thing people are failing to see here is that criminals yes Murderers and Rapists are getting out of prison years ahead of their original sentence all the time. The only reason Nuesome has stepped in with Gator's case is because of his high profile and Nuesome wants to appear tough, it's all PR. Not that I think he should be let out at all but it's plain to see that his fame has bit him in the ass yet again. Had he not been thrown into the spotlight at such a young age and had his narcissism fed so much then ripped away this tragedy might not have happened. Gator is a POS for sure but there is a lot of POS walking around free that are probably way more dangerous and less if at all reformed.

@mackash

5 ай бұрын

Spot on. So its Newsom aye. I knew it had to be some polly behind this cause i know two situations that did worse and were let out decades ago.

My 2 best friends growing up. I had a Ray Barbie, other guy had a hawk, other guy had a gator. Crazy.

@fernandomaron87

2 ай бұрын

Not crazy at all, many kids had Gator's. Both me and my brother had one.

He will be paroled, probably when he gets in his 60's. They don't think he'll be a threat then.

@fernandomaron87

2 ай бұрын

More like late 70s

A lot of skaters say f him

I remember there was skateboard called the “Vision Gator.” Was it named after this guy?

@wakenbreak4837

5 ай бұрын

Yes

Life for a life. Keep him in jail.

I have a neighbor who murdered someone who was freed after 7 years and the same guy almost murdered me on July 4th, 2022 by hitting me from behind with a hardwood cain over my head. I almost went into a coma, but I was fortunate to runaway after 3 seconds of wobbling and hearing sirens in my head. I'm lucky to be alive. FREE GATOR! He was in a very evil business. He made a big mistake, but he's an old man now and his life has been ruined. Oh yeah! The guy who almost killed me on 4th of July, didn't even get arrested after I called the cops on him. They didn't even take the crazy mofo to the police station 😳 My name is Donald Charles Johnston Jr. I reside in Bristol Boro, PA.

RIP Jessica

Whilst Michael Alig walks freely amongst us after hacking up a drug dealer in NYC in the late 90’s. I came up skating before/during and after this time. I remember hearing the news about him and his crime and I felt sick, saddened for Jessica’s family and friends. Bottom line, he confessed to the crime. If that is the punishment for that crime then I don’t understand why people are upset.

@chrisschneider850

5 ай бұрын

i know michael. he was attacked first. not pre meditated. and hes already dead from a fentanyl od.

@blazed1945

5 ай бұрын

Everyone involved was addicts of some nature

Wow, he was lost on street skating. How did he learn to skate? Did his parents build him a ramp in the backyard from day 1? Doesn't make sense that he was that bad at street.

@euankirby5158

5 ай бұрын

Once you’ve skated for a longtime it’s very easily to get stuck in the consistency of what you can do, pretty he sure he was well past enjoying it and just doing it for the fame in the late 80s definitely didn’t have the mind set of caballero to adapt to street skating, I’m sure those fkn 10 inch flat concave 80s boards didn’t help either, vert such a different technique as well there’s plenty out there that cab rip a ramp but can’t 50 a flatbar

@fernandomaron87

2 ай бұрын

He eas not alone in that, Craig Johnson, Jeff Philips, John Gibson, Rob Roskopp, Dave Duncan, Steve Alba, Tony Magnusson, Jason Jessee, Jeff Grosso.. all these guys and many more lost their careers in early 90s because they couldn't skate street.

Like everyone else commenting there is no way I know enough about this 30+ year saga to form a relevant opinion after a short KZread video. However I work in corrections and the life he has lived since 1991 is more of a hell than anyone can imagine unless they’ve been there. I don’t think that should be understated.

I know in Ca of worse criminals who get released daily. My personal view is killers shouldn't ever be freed but it happens. Fame shouldn't dictate any part in this decision. If a system is known to give 2nd chances then this human should be afforded that.

@hed1fsu

5 ай бұрын

No you don't. Stop lying in public.

There was always somebody with that Gator deck in a group of skaters

@jasonfink5326

5 ай бұрын

Me included.

@mattfontana

4 ай бұрын

probably the less able ones

@CrawfishCuban

4 ай бұрын

@mattfontana that makes no sense but your entitled to your opinion

@fernandomaron87

2 ай бұрын

​@@mattfontanaJason Jessee only rode Gator's before getting sponsored and i'm sure he rips harder than anyone in this comment section.

sorry not sorry no parole for a murderer He failed the skate community and himself . She is dead and cant come back he can rot in jail.

@Nuttyirishman85

5 ай бұрын

The skate community hates persecution. They’re all liberals these days.

Really sucks that a skater at my local skate park offed his girlfriend back in 2019. She was last seen getting stuffed in his trunk & still is missing to this day. We tried to get the dude to break up with her & get off meth but he wouldn't listen. I'll never forget getting calls when he made the news & appeared at a skid row DTLA open mic night rapping about the killing. Shocking that we all spent years skating with a future murderer. Very eerie feeling...

@episodebeats2817

3 ай бұрын

@roejogan5104 He's been in jail since the day after his open mic freestyle back in 2019.

I still have a Vision Gator deck from the late eighties.

@bondalero0074

4 ай бұрын

You better keep it; Now Vision re-issued the “Gator” model with Mark’s name removed because of his awful crime!#Vision#🛹❤️🤘🏻

There is something up with your channel brother. The deviation in views in your last few vids compared to your previous baseline makes no sense. I would contact customer service. I also just commented this and it was removed. Super bizarre. Your channel may have mistakenly been flagged

Dude back in 1989 me and my mate spoke about gator and how he was in trouble, assault of a woman I think, we were like 10 yes old, skating 3veryday. Then I found this video, whoa gator, he was one of the og s .

@fernandomaron87

2 ай бұрын

It was in 91 bro, by 89 he was dating Hollywood stars and seen as cool. I think you’re mixing the dates a little bit

I knew a few people who had Gator skate boards. I remember the design clearly

@sheldonshogrin6736

5 ай бұрын

I still have a couple of them. I also have a Brand X deck that Mark wrote a personal note to me on that I was skating at the time when we skated at a demo in Wichita together.

@righty-o3585

5 ай бұрын

@@sheldonshogrin6736 Right on 🤘 I liked that gator design. The spiral type thing

@jonathanrichard1919

5 ай бұрын

I still have my vision Gator I bought it somewhere late eighties maybe 1990? It has GS graphite trucks too😂. I'm 55 now and still take it out once and a while.

Keep him behind bars!! I don’t care how good he was on a skateboard, he was definitely a bad human

If he could prove to the parole board that he could relearn to ollie a curb* within the space of 24hrs, he should be eligible for release *literally impossible lol

@hed1fsu

5 ай бұрын

Naw.. inward heel a jersey barrier and we gotta deal.

@lloydchristmas1086

5 ай бұрын

i dont think he could ollie a curb in his prime 😂

@dariogomez1673

5 ай бұрын

Too funny

@fernandomaron87

2 ай бұрын

​@@lloydchristmas1086Of course he could, he had learned boardslides on a handrail before he went to prison. Dave Duncan told he wasn't that bad at street as the film's footage seems to show. Of course he wasn't at the level of Natas and Gonz, but he was far from terrible.

Not sure how to feel about this. He did kill someone and you can't bring her back. His pro model was the first skateboard I ever bought and started me skating for the next 30 plus years. I also used to skate for Vision, I wonder how Brad D feels about it.

@jonathanrichard1919

5 ай бұрын

I still have a Vision Gator deck with Graphite trucks . Geometric art design on the bottom of the deck I bought it somewhere around 1988. I'm 55 in a few days and occasionally take it out. I used it mostly in parks and pipes so it stayed kinda nice and not to scratched up.

@bakeNeat

5 ай бұрын

Vision are cunt$ for re-releasing his graphic on a deck in recent years.

@bakeNeat

5 ай бұрын

Vision are cunt$ for re-releasing his graphic on a deck in recent years.

@bakeNeat

5 ай бұрын

Vision are cunt$ for re-releasing his graphic on a deck in recent years.

@bakeNeat

5 ай бұрын

Vision are whore$ for re-releasing his graphic on a deck in recent years.

I don’t think people think about how his life would be if paroled. People hate him. He’d be known for what he’s done. Everywhere he’d go he’d be verbally attacked. He’s screwed either way.

@fernandomaron87

2 ай бұрын

He looks unrecognizable now, not many people would see him in the streets and say: are you Gator, that skater? Except for some skaters, but i know plenty of new school skaters who have no idea who he is. He is not very remembered outside skateboarding neither is known by skaters born after the crime.

Vison street wear was the bomb. I mean look at that beret, remember the black vision street wear high tops, and who can forget the velcro JimmyZ chef pants. What an era. Sadly 1990 was a low point for skateboarding. I remember getting a bumper sticker Skateboarding is not a crime. Cops would arrest you for street skating. I wasn't until 2010 that skateboarding made a come back.

Up the street from my house there’s a tunnel by woodland park that has some old ass graffiti that says gator, 87 in yellow spray paint.

I remember this when it happened, gator was a beast on the vert ramp but could not make the transition to street skating to save his life, this murder didn't need to happen at all, and far as I'm concerned he can rott in jail, doesn't deserve to be released

@blazed1945

5 ай бұрын

Who really cares this happened so long ago move on he won't be released

I had no idea that this happend!

Skateboarding wasn’t a trend, Vert skating fizzled out when street skating gained popularity and Gator couldn’t street skate

He’s had a lifetime in jail. Drugs and mental illness caused this. I’m sure he will be a good member of society now. A girl drove him nuts. Let gator free. We are not to judge others.

I had his Vision Deck.

He has to understand that even if he is paroled .. his life in the real world would be very hard. Hard to hide in today’s internet world.

@Modus888-if9yj

5 ай бұрын

Scumbags like vladtv will give him an interview and he’ll make money

@Modus888-if9yj

5 ай бұрын

Scumbags like Vladtv will give him an interview to make money

@hed1fsu

5 ай бұрын

Oh yeah, he has no friends on the outside anymore. Except for those weird incel people who love Dahmer.

@fernandomaron87

2 ай бұрын

He's not as well known as Manson or Bundy. He also looks pretty old and different from his former self. Skateboarding is very niche, also not that many skateboarders know him actually. I know many who have no idea who he is.

That's no joke when the governor gets involved.

There is a movie called Stoked about his life

While I can see validity in both sides of the argument seeing all the people who are in no way, shape or form involved with this situation talk about “forgiveness” or “not deserving forgiveness” is kind of funny. Bro, that’s even remotely within your prevue, that’s between him and the victim or in cases like this the victims family. Save the moral grandstanding for something that actually affects your life.

@alainvosselman9960

5 ай бұрын

Some people HAVE experienced a murder in their family and there's nothing wrong with people sharing their opinion about such case, that's no moral grandstanding. How you are portraying yourself as someone above that : IS ! I do appreciate your view tho when it comes to personal involvement. It's up to those closest to the case to decide these things. But others can have an opinion.

@adrianc6534

5 ай бұрын

both sides? dude murder someone because he is a pathetic little incel bitch. what exactly is the defense of his actions?

@hed1fsu

5 ай бұрын

So wtf you doing then? This your first time hearing about him? 🤡 Sounds like trump logic to me. "I didn't see it firsthand, so it didn't happen" main character syndrome having arse 🤣

@amdi8966

5 ай бұрын

@@hed1fsutake you meds weirdo. He didn’t say all that 😂

Wow! I had a Vision Gator Rogowski board when I was a kid. I'm just hearing about this. What a piece of crap! He took someone's life and they're never coming back and he has a chance at freedom?! That's not right! That's just messed up!

Grosso said it "Gator sucks!"

@fernandomaron87

2 ай бұрын

Grosso dated the girl Gator murdered. He was personally pissed off by the whole thing.

My first ever board was a Vision Gator

Had neighbors in Carlsbad who knew and skated with him around when this happened. They said he'd had several blackout drunk episodes before this. And that he admitted he hit the girl on the head with a Club (car theft prevention device), raped her, put her in a surfboard carrier, and took her out to the desert.

I remember the Vision Gator boards.

Someone should tell the woman close to the end that said , “but he has done this and that” that ANYTHING after but is b.s.

Wonder if he'll try and come back to skating and somehow capitalize on the "novelty" (for lack of better words) of his name.

@rebusd

5 ай бұрын

Skating would help him heal somewhat before he gets to Judgement but he would have to change his name (again) and change his look drastically. It would also be a good time to start learning switch (nothing else to lose and would assist in his 'disguise'). None of this would in any way involve or necessitate a comeback of any kind, he has written himself out of history.

@justinollis34

5 ай бұрын

@@rebusd yeah I guess I was thinking more like the "back in black" approach. Like using the known rep he has for notariety and in turn monetary gain. But yeah I can't see it. As for skating in efforts to heal one's soul, more power to him on that one.

Never let him out. He was never that good anyways.

His folks, Mom and step-dad if my memory is correct, were in our hunting club in Healdsburg, Calif...his Mom was super chill, they're good people...Gator I don't know about...

If the committee is granting him a parole don't you think they know better than a bunch of idiots on the internet ?

to quote my favourite slap poster, "fuck this guy"

No skaters are supporting him - none

@fernandomaron87

2 ай бұрын

Yes they are in fact, Hosoi, Dennis Martinez, Eddie Elguera and plenty of other christian skaters are. I know this for a fact as i have a friend in common with Mark who visits him. Also Duane Peters posted free gator on his Instagram, he was a mentor figure to gator.

@Resurrected-Silverbeard

2 ай бұрын

@@fernandomaron87 idk what being Christians has to do with it, render unto Caesar imo. Gator is a world class psyco, and not in a good ST type of way. He's scum and anyone who defends him should be boycotted and treated as poorly as he is.

@Resurrected-Silverbeard

2 ай бұрын

@fernandomaron87 ah, Mark told your friend they support him. If there's one guy we can trust, it's Gator. You could offer him a place to stay when he gets out. Do you have a spare bedroom?

Yeah the skateboard industry hasn't had a nice thing to say about em since 1990. If he's getting support from people in that industry they're doing it in silence

@fernandomaron87

2 ай бұрын

I've seen a lot of christian skaters defending his release on Facebook discussions, guys like Dennis Polar Bear Agnew, Wentzl Ruml, Dennis Martinez, Eddie Elguera, Duane Peters.. i have a friend in common with Mark who visits him in prison, and i know for a fact Hosoi goes to visit him and pray with him once in a while.

Gator board was my first skateboard

West coast of Canada people barely go to jail for 5 years for a murder.

It's really surprising that all these years later Vision is still making re-issues of his boards. Unless the proceeds are going to the victims family. But I seriously doubt it..

excellent video

Go watch Stoked. This video was just a video a bunch of clips taken from the movie.

despite what eh did, i still love my vision gator deck

I am tired of People benefiting from Social media Plot twists!! The Human mind is not responsible for determining anything but situational bias!