Thanks again to Ekster for sponsoring this video! They sent me their Parliament wallet and it's seriously (not just for the ad) replaced my old bifold wallet for daily use. I also unironically use it as a fidget toy more often than I'd like to admit. Also remember that you could have seen this video a few days earlier by watching on Recast! My next video will be posted there in just a few days, AND, I am going to be making at least one exclusive video on that platform this month. It's free to use and helps me a lot more than watching on KZread does. the.recast.app/user/5mN4d

@matthewmiller9398

Жыл бұрын

Brandon do you know where I can buy authentic British uniforms, I want a cocked hat

@BrandonF

Жыл бұрын

@@matthewmiller9398 If you want authenticity, unfortunately there are no single places to buy them. Most things need to be hand-made to your size and specifications. Feel free to send me a DM on FB, Instagram, or an email at brandonf@nativeoak.org and I can send you some names if you're interested. Though the names I know are all very expensive, I'm afraid.

@unnamedenemy9

Жыл бұрын

this is pretty small, but it is driving me *nuts.* Whenever we see Mel Gibson's crew on that rowboat, they are somehow moving in the *opposite* direction that they're rowing. In the clip at 11:10 the rowers are facing towards the ship, yet they're also moving towards it despite the fact that they *should* be going away from it base on how they row. The filmmakers wanted Gibson at the front of the boat with the ship in sight, but *also* wanted his crew to be facing him for their flat shot/reverse shot conversation. There was a perfect opportunity to have some more interesting shots here -- even with Gibson, his men, *and* the boat (maybe even the plantation) all in one shot while they talk! Also, the Alex Jones bit was *hilarious.*

@CAP198462

Жыл бұрын

We have a different read of that scene. I read the “fireworks,” line as her attempting a classic British understatement, or attempting to euphemistically describe the situation. The frigate/ 6th rate is riding high in the water, so it’s lightly loaded. We could therefore assume the cannons were offloaded at Charleston and the supplies loaded on. The lack of guns on the frigate would also explain the sloop’s presence. It’s there as an escort for the now defenceless frigate. To your credit sir, it’s absolutely correct that security would have been tighter than what is shown. People knew what gunpowder could do if it exploded and exercised an abundance of caution.

@chazychaz14265

Жыл бұрын

I'm not sure if you have done a video on this subject yet but I'm very curious as to how families of fallen soldiers were informed of their death in battle during the 18th an early 19th century. By the way, I'm ex British army (8 years) and I'm a great admirer of your videos. Thank you.

Gunpowder can't melt wooden beams!

@warlordofbritannia

Жыл бұрын

Cornwallis did 9/11/80!

@ad_astra5

Жыл бұрын

Grab your tinfoil cocked hats!

@Jabberstax

Жыл бұрын

Big flash/bang and lots and lots of splinters.

@OcarinaSapphr-

Жыл бұрын

I also would have thought that it would have had to be more compacted, in order to cause the kind of explosions they depicted...

@MDMoore6

Жыл бұрын

Wake up, sheeple!

"Woman stupid, man angry, and BIG BOOM" Holy fuck that line was so american that my blood cholesterol level increased tenfold

@chrishenderson9130

Жыл бұрын

Just eat a stick of butter and calm down

@tribalteuton7256

Жыл бұрын

To be more American or should be "big boom, man excited, woman angry." At least that has been my experience... don't throw an unopened soda can into a trash fire.

@koichidignitythief7429

Жыл бұрын

That's basically Conservative Republican humor in a nutshell.

@Ramtin-Blue_rose

Жыл бұрын

Thats boring boomer humor in a nutshell

@Blundabus1337

11 ай бұрын

Oi mate You making fun of another country? Thats xenophobia you cheeky git. Off to jail with you where you get shanked by a muslim. God save the queen.

Brandon F: *not so much roasting The Patriot as burning it to the ground* Me: Ooh, fireworks!

@chengzi6416

8 ай бұрын

loVeLY ~~~

Okay, here's my theory... Maybe they were TRYING to get to the port of Charleston, but made a wrong turn...it happens to the best of us. And it happened to them, because either A) they were holding the map upside down, B) when they learned that the Ashley River is only six to eight feet deep, they misunderstood it to be six to eight METERS deep, or C) the GPS wasn't working -- and it probably wouldn't since it wouldn't be invented for a couple more centuries. When they ran the ship aground in the river, they just HAPPENED to be a few hundred feet from the plantation and the fancy ball. So to save face and not have to admit to Cornwallis, Tavington, etc, that they had made a mistake, they sent somebody ashore to say "We meant to do that", and decided to unload it there, hoping it would raise the ship just enough that they could get it unstuck and go on their way. Meanwhile, the other 200 men aboard saw what a hopeless mess they were in, and without Cornwallis -- or the poor sap that they had sent ashore -- knowing, they abandoned ship and skedaddled into town to check out the local night life -- and hopefully escape the punishment for their incompetent handling of one of His Majesty's ships, thus clearing the way for Mel Gibson and friends to blow up the ship. And the reason the ship didn't move while the explosions were happening? Could it be because the hull was buried in five feet of muck in the river bed and it COULDN'T move? This might not explain everything, but it's good enough for me.

@ianrastoski3346

Жыл бұрын

B) the British used the Imperial System at this time.

@eldorados_lost_searcher

Жыл бұрын

@@ianrastoski3346 The metric system didn't exist, as far as I know, didn't exist until the French Revolution.

@PobortzaPl

Жыл бұрын

Ockham's razor looked at your post and slit its wrist. So, well done, well done! I like the part about GPS not working the best. People tend to forget how badly things that haven't been yet invented work!

@bellicose4653

Жыл бұрын

My theory is the fireworks lady was piloting the ship into port, and well you know women drivers amirite??

@something3395

Жыл бұрын

@@eldorados_lost_searcher Next thing you will tell me is they didn't have GPS also

The "Brandon F totally destroys The Patriot" saga is one that never disappoints. Thanks for the video!

@saadkhan1128

Жыл бұрын

This series is as good as checkmate linconites

@spartanx9293

Жыл бұрын

@@saadkhan1128 difference is this is a film and ultimately comes down to personal opinion

@BrandonF

Жыл бұрын

@@spartanx9293 I like to think the film reviews are a good mixture of my personal critique with educational information about the time period. And ultimately, most if not all of my opinion is being informed by the educational elements. Excepting a lot of what I said in the bashing of Ben Martin as a character.

@spartanx9293

Жыл бұрын

@@BrandonF I don't doubt it personally I think it's more of a dumb fun kind of movie But I think there's a fundamental difference between critiquing a movie like the Patriot And discussing the fundamental realities of the civil War

@wayneantoniazzi2706

Жыл бұрын

@@spartanx9293 We have to remember one thing, the REAL function of "The Patriot" was to put butts in seats and make money for the film maker and it fulfilled that function well. I'll say one thing, some of you folks are a little spoiled. I'm old enough to remember when Rev War themed films had costume designers conceptions of 18th Century uniforms and clothing and all the firearms were Trapdoor Springfields humped-up to look like flintlocks. I'm relieved when I see a film with REAL flintlocks in it and the film makers attempt to get the uniforms and clothing right. Ever see a Rev War film made in the 1950s with the women wearing torpedo bras and not Georgian stays? Yikes!

According to Assassin’s Creed the Patriots were filled with ninjas and all British were pretty much blind and deaf. I’m shocked that they even noticed the explosion.

@idcyco3623

Жыл бұрын

If the galactic empire was filled with nothing but incompetent Stormtroopers it's completely believable that the British Empire was filled with incompetent Redcoats.

@illeagle9560

Жыл бұрын

You mean the Continental Army. Also the Assassins are not ninjas, they are assassins

@DJWeapon8

Жыл бұрын

Yeah nah. The continental army was most definitely not filled with "ninjas". IIRC, Connor was only one of two officially trained and ordained assassins in the colonies, and the only one that actually works for the patriot cause.

@cocobot90

3 ай бұрын

Actually, according to Metal Gear Solid, the Patriots hadn't even been born yet.

"Grab your tin-foil cocked hats!" Best Brandon F. quote ever! 😂

@robertgiorlando7206

Жыл бұрын

This would make an amazing “quoted” shirt….

@comradecid

Жыл бұрын

"gunpowder can't melt wooden beams", &c.

I never get tired of watching this movie get perpetually dunked on. The Patriot is to Brandon, what a rim is to Michael Jordan.

@happyboygogo

Жыл бұрын

there's a Mel Gibson rimjob joke in there somewhere:)

@crazypickles8235

Жыл бұрын

FAKTS. The demystification of the history, culture and sociopolitical complexities of the 18th century are explained while a terrible film is also shown to be just that: a farce

@mgway4661

Жыл бұрын

@bum_fozman7068 Bro wants a historical lecture instead of entertainment

@pempotfoy6206

Жыл бұрын

Did you watch the video? Heres your response 21:51

@user-cv8qe9ru8c

Жыл бұрын

Shaq would be better comparison.

I think the best part and most realistic part of the Patriot was when Heath Ledger’s character said “It’s not about tea, it’s about sending a message…”

@methylene5

2 ай бұрын

Actually it was about money, the British had already removed the tax on the tea before the Boston Tea Party. The Sons of Liberty were notorious smugglers (tea included), and when the British removed the tax, it undercut their contraband. It was never about taxes, another one of histories lies.

Me and the boys on our way to unload supplies in some random river instead of Charleston be like

I feel like there was a real missed opportunity here to insert Fireworks Woman into the church burning scene.

@BrandonF

Жыл бұрын

Aw man, you're right, that would have really helped to emphasize it! She could have popped up as the loyalist is thousand-yard-staring.

So after a few months of independence we have a complete separation of culture. The British are complaining about their dress and spending time in war, holding pompus balls to entertain the gentry, whilst the Americans who have in a short time have evolved a completely different accent, have disguised themselves as British soldiers covertly boarding a ship run by the most professional navy in the world at the time, leaving set explosives not disturbing the entire crew. With a comical conclusion! The British may of had their disadvantages in this war, but these were senior officers of a professional army, that had been hardened over decades of wars with other European nations. This makes them look like the kind of villans you would get on a 60s Hannah Barbera cartoon. If this wan't bad enough, American kids actually watch this in the classroom environment, as part of their education about their nations history.

@markwilliams2620

Жыл бұрын

Come to Floriduh. All our history books are personally approved by Hizzoner Ron DeathSantis. We have happy slaves and naught a whiff of anything that will offend a white youngster.

@Ukraineaissance2014

Жыл бұрын

But that's how americans treat the conflict, as fully formed modern Americans vs britain (well just england). It was more of a british civil war overseas.

@British_navy

Жыл бұрын

@@Ukraineaissance2014 I mean it was Britian at the time as the Act of Union had happened and England and Scotland had unionised

@Ukraineaissance2014

Жыл бұрын

@@British_navy yes but I mean americans treat it as if they were just against the english, not scottish, welsh and (at that time) irish as well.

@British_navy

Жыл бұрын

@@Ukraineaissance2014 You would’ve been up against Englishmen, Scotsmen, Welshmen and Irishmen although the Irish would’ve been a lot less involved then the others being treated more like a colony then equals

Brandon’s absolute distain for this movie is funnier than it should be. And yet completely justified.

@sjonnieplayfull5859

Жыл бұрын

Just curious if distain was a typo or a word I don't know yet.

@lcpltaylorusmc91

Жыл бұрын

@@sjonnieplayfull5859 tis a word

@Commodore22345

Жыл бұрын

@@lcpltaylorusmc91 The word you are looking for is "disdain". Distain is a word, but it is not the word you were attempting to use given the context of your comment.

@Blundabus1337

11 ай бұрын

Brit angry about revolutionary war? Sorry mate, I don't celebrate losers.

Who hates what more? Brandon F. with the Patriot or Atun-Shei with Gods and Generals.

@jamesalexander5623

Жыл бұрын

I Hate "Gods and Generals" Worse than Atun-Shei! ..... I bought the DVD on the strength of 'Gettysburg" .... Watched it Once and sold it at our next yard sale for $5!

@zabbee2323

Жыл бұрын

Brandon has an ongoing series roasting every last detail of the Patriot and Atun-Shei made one video on why it sucks and has only mentioned it here and there. So I think the former is the winner.

I'll also add Tavington downing what a appears to be a martini, or at least something in a Martini glass, the cocktail has it's origins in the mid 19th century and the glass wasn't invented until the 1920s.

@yeahitskimmel

Жыл бұрын

Lol love how dumb every director thinks every viewer is

@nicholasbova9909

Жыл бұрын

It may not be historically accurate, but Tavington's reaction always makes me laugh

@wayneantoniazzi2706

Жыл бұрын

@@nicholasbova9909 Jason Isaacs was one of the bst things about this film, what a "delicious villain" as he himself put it. I'd LOVE to see Jason do Sherlock Holmes! He's got the right combination of presense, authority, and with just a bit of menace thrown in. But it's not likely to happen.

@dmgroberts5471

Жыл бұрын

I would think a brandy would be more appropriate for the period and time of day.

@wayneantoniazzi2706

Жыл бұрын

@@dmgroberts5471 Possibly, but madeira was the really popular beverage of the time.

If only for the memes, please do a patriot style assessment of brave heart. As an Englishman, and more importantly an Northerner, it’s a subject that I and my fellows would appreciate.

@sjonnieplayfull5859

Жыл бұрын

Short assessment: it was made by Mel Gibson as well. Mud said ...

@cappinjocj9316

Жыл бұрын

@@sjonnieplayfull5859 true, but he did basically make about seven hours worth of content from the Patriot, and Braveheart is even less historically accurate.

@seppo532

8 ай бұрын

@@cappinjocj9316I’ve never seen Braveheart. I’ve like heard of it but never seen it

One thing I noticed in the scene when they rowed towards the ship... They are rowing in the wrong direction. Normally on boats those with the paddles in the hand sit with their backs towards the place they are heading. You can clearly see it in the other footage Brandon showed. They've got so much wrong in this movie omfg

@nyda2452

Жыл бұрын

Omg I didn't notice and I occasionally go out on a rowing boat - either the people who shot that scene or the people who photoshopped the ship into that scene had no f*cking clue how rowing boats work :'D Edit: And the guys with the paddles even do the rowing technically right... just into the opposite direction to where we see the boat itself moving ^^" Alas, on the footage shown I think we can't really tell how the rowing boat is aligned - it should have a bug (front) and a stern (back) with the rowing guys normally facing "backwards" towards the stern and the bug facing towards the destination. So in addition to paradoxically rowing into the opposite direction of their physical movement, they may also have turned the boat itself around. Let's just say that Ben Martin's incredible manliness, devotion and boldness allow his super-soldier crew to overcome the obstacles of physics.

@schwarzerritter5724

Жыл бұрын

I assumed in the clips, they had already lit the fuse and are now escaping.

@koichidignitythief7429

Жыл бұрын

Almost like the Jackass who made it didn't do any research.

Was hoping you'd go after Cornwallis's "horseblanket" line in this scene and then give us a breakdown on why he would actually have to choose between two coats in that period

@BrandonF

Жыл бұрын

That will belong to the Cornwallis character analysis video when it happens!

@warlordofbritannia

Жыл бұрын

Tbf, it is a very nice horseblanket!

@vcorkleth

Жыл бұрын

It's obvious why he wants to choose. If he is to die he wants to die well dressed.

@richardtucker6300

Жыл бұрын

The interesting thing is that if the timeline adds up (hard to tell in this abomination of a film), Cornwallis wouldn't have had but one uniform most likely because he was the first to burn his baggage when the "Race to the Dan" started. By this point his entire army was wearing... well to quote his lordship in this film: "Rags." I am really interested to see @Brandon F. do a video on Cornwallis because the man was an incredible commander and honestly I think if given a good script and some make-up- Tom Wilkinson (the actor that plays him here) would have done a phenomenal job! But alas... Mel good.. British bad!

@jamesalexander5623

Жыл бұрын

@@warlordofbritannia If I had that Uniform and all the Gold Braid on it I could Retire!

Love how you couldn't resist doing an Alex Jones voice for the insane conspiracy bit

after receiving the challenge as the rowboat approaches the ship: "It's an older code, sir, but it checks out."

In regards to the Ashley River - before widespread agriculture, a lot of these east coast estuaries were much deeper and clearer. Clear-cutting the old forests and plowing large fields increased sedimentation rates by an order of magnitude. See for example the Port of Bladensburg, once a blue-water port, now reachable only by rowboat. I don't know whether that happened on the Ashley or not, but present-day bathymetric data is not an authoritative resource on historical realities. Love the hat by the way. I would be intrigued by your perspective on Netflix's show about a dramatized Czar Catherine, entitled "The Great: An Almost Entirely Untrue Story"

Came for Brandon ripping apart a stoopit scene, stayed for the history lesson on naval procedures. (I've got an interest in pre-1860 naval history)

@BrandonF

Жыл бұрын

That's the idea!

@donpietruk1517

11 ай бұрын

Anyone who read CS Foresters excellent Horatio Hornblower naval adventure series would have been on the floor holding their sides while laughing at this scene. I know I was. 😂

Yesterday I was watching a review of The Patriot and I thought "Hey, there was a British guy who destroyed this movie" So I searched for your channel and saw those videos. What a tremendous surprise that you have uploaded a new part. Greetings from Mexico. 🇲🇽

@generaladvance5812

Жыл бұрын

Is he not American?

@ianrastoski3346

Жыл бұрын

@@generaladvance5812 i think he means he remembers a British guy ripping this movie apart (my bet is Nick Hodgers), and went looking for him again. But then he found our most humble and obedient servant instead.

@00muinamir

Жыл бұрын

@@generaladvance5812 in fairness, he is actively trying to become British, so close enough.

@Ukraineaissance2014

Жыл бұрын

Why doesnt he just pretend to be canadian. We all secretly think they are british in britain anyway

@vaudevillian7

Жыл бұрын

@@ianrastoski3346 no he was saying specifically he searched for Brandon and was pleased there was a newer upload, as I Brit there’s no way Brandon would ever be mistaken for British but I can completely understand why those not from here would think that

Tavvington's "Oh God!" downing of his wine sums up many of our reactions to the Patriot to date, Brandon. Hang in there.

That was a lot of black powder that could have gone to better use. Y'know, like supplying the Continental Army.

@Seriona1

Жыл бұрын

I agree with the militia. Take what you can carry and destroy the rest.

It’s American history Friday: Atun-Shei Films and Brandon F drop a video within an hour of each other.

@saiien2

Жыл бұрын

Atun-Shei too? Thanks man.

@danielomar9712

Жыл бұрын

And again , curious how the two upload at almost the same time And also , homoeroticism

This whole scene feels like a weird homage to a 4 of July celebration. I think everything wrong in this scene could be drawn from them wanting to create the origins of 4 of July. Like why are they unloading at Middleton top instead of the actual port? Because they needed a big field where people could celebrate, because that's where you go on 4 of July. Like why is there multiple explosions? Because there are multiple rockets on 4 of July. Like why is the woman insane and heartless? Because the homage was not obvious enough for the target demographic of the movie. As the wise man James Cameron once said." I want all people to understand this. From Oklahoma to North Dakota". Some times the goal is more disgusting then the methods. And in this case I believe both are equally disturbing.

@00muinamir

Жыл бұрын

Huh. That's an interesting point. That may also explain why this ship explosion was ostensibly "bloodless" and didn't rain debris and spare limbs down on the partygoers. I hope @BrandonF sees this comment...

I'd suspect that the real reason for the poor choice of location is that the film's producers sent scouts to look at a whole bunch of Colonial Era sites, and then redrafted sections of the script to match the places they'd picked for each scene. They decided to film the garden party scene there because it looked great for the message they were trying to get across (all the English were clueless, fancy-pants ponces), never mind the fact there was only a tiny river and it made no sense as a port.

Im pretty sure that the movie wants us to think that the ship had a very small crew of 10 faceless henchmen who where so distracted by their thoughts of beating up puppies to notice the good guys blow up the ship, and that they where either killed instantly or jumped safely into the water to be laughed at

My brother loves this movie calling it a noble fight against tyranny and that it doesn't need to be historically accurate, he isn't even American, he also thinks dances with wolves and avatar to have some of the greatest stories in all of film.

@peterneijs387

Жыл бұрын

Poor boy...

@oz_jones

Жыл бұрын

Oh boy

@jamesalexander5623

Жыл бұрын

Is he Cute?

@LPVince94

Жыл бұрын

Avatar and Dances with Wolves have pretty much the same story. So I guess it makes perfect sense that someone who likes one will also like the other. I guess your brother just isn't into subtlety and there's nothing really wrong with that.

@marvinc9994

Жыл бұрын

" noble fight against tyranny" That, of course, is the PR version - ignoring as it does the simple fact that: a) The majority of these BRITISH colonials had no desire to break with the Crown, and b) The impetus for rebellion came - for the most part - from the colonial élites (for the sort of reasons that such folk normally have - pure self-interest). Your brother should try reading some REAL history (eg _A People's History of the United States_ ), which he'll find FAR more interesting than all the mythological claptrap Americans imbibe with their mother's milk!

"I believe that we've had enough of my ravings and rantings for the day" Erm No 😃 Was hoping for a 16 hour long video dissecting all the British uniform farbery, but the battle of Camden sounds good too. 👍👍

It's highly unlikely the British would hold a ball in a warzone, particularly in the Carolinas, which was an active and hostile warzone. The British would not risk the lives of the aristocracy for a party, and the fact a frigate exploded in full view, should have exposed the fact that there's a war being fought. A ball would have been a juicy opportunity for the Patriots to attack, officers and nobility would be in attendance, if Gibson wanted to win against the British, it would have smarter to attack the ball, rather than destroy one ship. This film tends to omit the fact that Cornwallis was a professional general, he actually went to military school, Cornwallis would have been more preoccupied fighting the Patriots, balls were usually reserved for peace and victory, meaning after the war is over.

You know what's sad? They could have solved half their problems with this scene by making it Cornwallis' personnel communications cutter/sloop/whatever small riverine craft you want, that just so happened to be transporting a ton of powder for Cornwallis' personnel guard that Gibson and crew had just intercepted in a previous scene. You keep the ship in believable size and guard that allows Bigson and crew to have a valid reason to wanting to raid it, the messages it carries aboard, and most vitally its troop movement reports. Because the Navy likely appropriated this small ship, its crewed by a small group who may have confusion and be off guard because of the special circumstances, hell have Cornwalli's assistant be the navy captain for it, and Cornwallis can even lampshade this by saying, "Shouldn't you be on the water?" And the captain replies, "Well sir, we're undermanned at the moment, I need to extend the period of your army troops to assist in transferring the powder you need." Then have fun with the scene by having Cornwallis *point out* Songib's rowboat and going, "Wait then who the hell are they?!" You get to keep your big attention grabbing explosion, while also giving a narrative reason for Cornwallis being there, and Igbson wanting to attack it.

Babe wake up, new Brandon F. video roasting The Patriot just dropped

@BrandonF

Жыл бұрын

That poor woman

1- we need Brandon doing an Alex johns with his hard tack , salt pork and rum dietary supplements ( if we are going to do small scenes ) 2- the recruiting scenes always struck me as rather odd to you given how important it would have been to keep British spies out of his unit just toasting the health of king George might note be a sufficient test ( how dos one join the continental army or militia ?) 3-when they capture all of Cornwallis's papers why are they not sent to a higher level in the army , would this not be scene as a type of intelligence worthy of being sent up ? 4- If they are camped out in a swamp how do they keep horses in good condition ?

@BrandonF

Жыл бұрын

Oh man, 'hard tack supplements' sounds like an amazing idea. I may steal it.

@ianrastoski3346

Жыл бұрын

Don't forget the wellwater that made the frogs jolly!

@robertgiorlando7206

Жыл бұрын

On 4…. Obviously they had stables in the swamp! The first one may have just sank into the swamp, as with the second one falling over, burning down, and then sinking into the swamp….the Third one, that 3rd one, stayed up! And that’s what all colonials need….a stable in the swamp!

"Oh fireworks !" To be fair, I once knew a lass like that. Daft as a brush, but charming with it.

Math says the HMS Firework would have room for ~9000lbs of gunpowder, as compared to the 2000lb 'Gunpowder plot' I'm not sure what the safety radius would be, except 'further' >>>>Based on the cannon load of the HMS Victory, which had a 780-keg magazine and a 1080-pound broadside as compared to the 126-pound broadside HMS Surprise

As a man who is obsessed with military weapons and history from the late 1400s to wwi, I busted out laughing when Brandon F said the river got as deep as 6-8 feet.

I so love listening to a passionate, informed historian. I'm an American and I've never seen the movie, 'Patriot'. Too busy working. I have been a fan of Mr. Brandon for a couple of years. The amount of in-depth historical research is impressive and so appreciated. I want the facts, not a Hollywood version. Thank you so much for preventing me from watching it and actually hoping for historical accuracy. I loved Mr. Brandon picking the one scene apart - the draft of the ships, the explosion, no one on watch!, the ships would have been unloaded at a port, the tone-deaf comment in the movie, etc. What were the producers of this movie thinking? They must really count of the general public turning their brains off. Worst of all, Hollywood missed a great opportunity to produce a movie of historical accuracy, which would have been much more moving and immediate. Your most humble and appreciative of subscribers.

@Commodore22345

Жыл бұрын

Historically accurate or not, I still think The Patriot should be required viewing for all Americans. Absolutely nothing wrong with a little pro-American propaganda to instill a strong sense of nationalism in our citizens.

Bad as this scene (and movie) are, I still always get a chuckle out of Jason Isaacs rolling his eyes and knocking back his whole drink in one shot 😆

It still sickens me on multiple levels that some teachers used this film as a teaching aid.

@Madnessguy-qz7lr

Жыл бұрын

Wait I’m in 8th we watched that in 7th grade I really liked the patriot is it really that bad? 😂

@IIMoses740II

Жыл бұрын

At my high school (around 2004-08), it was typical for both history classes and our JROTC to play "The Patriot" at least once a semester So if you had both, there was a chance you'd watch it *twice* in the same semester

@midnightteapot5633

Жыл бұрын

I feel the same way about the song "The battle of New Orleans." that was written by a school teacher in order to make his students have fun in history class and has gone on to be a popular and accepted description of the battle.

@loslingos1232

Жыл бұрын

@@midnightteapot5633 Really? Wow never knew that.

@antonnurwald5700

Жыл бұрын

At Film school, to teach students about bad movies, right?

Many a river along the Eastern Shore during the Colonial/Revolutionary Era were of ship depth, but through disuse and silting are now limited to small private craft depths. As commerce moved from waterborne carriage to road/railroad carriage, the normal maintenance of waterways declined except in major harbors. So, silting of waterways and shore erosion increased to what we find today. As an example, Blackbird Creek in Delaware once hosted Blackbeard’s sizeable ship over a winter, but could not do so now.

@ryano.5149

Жыл бұрын

Another good example, the Battle of Turtle Gut Inlet. Pretty sure a large portion of Wildwood Crest, NJ is currently where that inlet would have been.

@00muinamir

Жыл бұрын

I can find a contemporary quote saying that the Ashley River was navigable up to roughly that area for vessels around or slightly above 100 tons burthen. It's still not looking terribly plausible for a 500 tons-burthen sixth-rate ship to get all the way up there.

14:05 Mel’s crew has a lantern lit given the fact this is a POWDER SHIP the officer aboard would be yelling for them to blow it out and wouldn’t let them approach

Being in the Livestream where you broke down your process in making this video was quite enjoyable and you did a wonderful job putting all of the footage and ideas from that stream together in a coherent and rather funny vid, Brandon. Well done.

@BrandonF

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@00muinamir

Жыл бұрын

Seriously, that livestream was so fun, do more of those "take your audience to work" days please!

"Looting is not a gentle process" sent me

I heartily look forward to the day where I can sit down and take an entire day and night to watch Brandon’s takedown of The Patriot. Godspeed good sir, and take care of yourself!

@BrandonF

Жыл бұрын

If you mean when the series is finally finished, I have a bad feeling it might take more than 24 hours to get through it all.

@TheCowgirlBookworm

Жыл бұрын

@@BrandonF oh I don’t mind a bit lol, might have to rent out a theater and hold a marathon like they did before endgame came out

That last part of the comedic nature implied is why I like especially the detonation of Tyrion’s Fireship during the Battle of Blackwater Bay in Game of Thrones. Everyone’s faces we see; Tyrion, Lancel, Bronn, Sandor, they’re all stunned and disturbed, all except Wisdom Rossart, the (more than) half mad pyromancer who did the scut work for the explosion, who’s simply pleased his chemicals exploded as intended, and King Joffrey, positively giddy at the flames, the smoldering wreckage, the wailing of the burning, mangled seamen, because he’s well established as a sociopath.

Am I the only one who noticed they were rowing away from the ship whilst approaching it? You row a boat facing rearwards, and the boat was behind mel, in front of the men

BIG patriot has entombed us once again

What one can take away from this is that the silly lady was right all along. It is a pretty fine line between fireworks and pyrotechnics after all.

I love how the critiques went from historical to procedural to physics. Ironically the guy who wrote the Patriot also wrote Saving Private Ryan, considered one of the more historically accurate war movies. However I do want to push back on the idea of having comedic elements in this movie. It may appear tasteless in light of the church burning scene but plenty of times in war where there are comedic moments despite the horror.

Feels like the movie is saying: "it is bad when the good guys suffer but funny when the Brits are suffering".

We need a 6 hour video where all patriot reviews are compiled together as 1

I believe the tonal dissonance of The Patriot can be explained thusly: if sadistic acts of violence are perpetuated against the British, yay! They deserve it. Let's play it for laughs. If said violent acts involve those close to Mel Gibson though? Absolute horror! Basically if Mel doesn't like you, it's fine for you to die a thoroughly painful and unpleasant death. It's a recurring theme throughout the film - the rebels are brutal, savage and refuse to show any mercy when the British soldiers literally surrender to them. The French soldier jokes openly about picking off prisoners of war. They're no better than the side they're supposed to so vehemently oppose on a primarily moral level (at least within the movie). I swear the writer(s?) realised this around 2/3 of the way through and panicked because the heroes and the villains seemed a little too close on the scale of moral abhorrence, so they thought they'd better just stick in a Nazi-style church-burning just to remind the audience who the real baddies are.

I love the dissecting of the ship explosion. It's almost as if they blew up a miniature only to make us _believe_ it was real!

Your critique of that scene reminds me of a similar yet far better scene in the film 55 days at Peking. Basically, Sir Arthur (David Niven), Mayor Lewis (Charlton Heston) and some soldiers sneak to plant a bomb in an undefended depot while the Empress Dowager (Flora Robson) is celebrating a party. Instead of the tone-deaf "Oh, fireworks!" we get the Empress Dowager giving a harsh scolding to Prince Duan (Robert Helpmann).

You should do a series about how good Hornblower is to cleanse the stench from Patriot.

@Ukraineaissance2014

Жыл бұрын

Yep hornblower is even better than sharpe. There was talk about rebooting it recently but investment is hard to get for it because it cost an absolute fortune to make them

@player400_official

4 ай бұрын

@@Ukraineaissance2014 I watched all of it multiple times!

Its funny to think just how much content you've managed to squeeze out of this film, and chances are you're not even half done! ^_^ Also, the idea that the films comedic relief is perhaps 200 people being killed is incredibly funny! /s

On the one hand, literally everything in this video. On the other hand, Isaacs knocking back his drink is one of the best reaction gifs ever made. So it's really impossible to say one way or the other. 😉

“There is no logical reason why we should believe the British wouldn’t be able to protect those supply lines, within 20 miles of their own border… This isn’t the Russian army.” Make ready, present, give fire. Brandon the Based Marquis du Ohio strikes again…

Your initial criticism is true of virtually all mainstream 90s and 2000's "historical" films, yet most are still good fun even today. I've still learned a good amount from your work and hope you continue!

So what your saying is: there must have been another demolition team on the grassy knoll next to the plantation! They were the ones who destroyed the ship. Mel and his team were just patsies. It all makes sense now!!

I'm no ship expert but wouldn't ships be even lower in fresh water as opposed to ocean water?

@BrandonF

Жыл бұрын

Hum, I suppose that makes sense, though I wonder if it would be such a significant degree as to be relevant here or in nautical history. Something to look into!

@wayneantoniazzi2706

Жыл бұрын

Theoretically but not enough to be concerned about.

Excellent report Brandon, good show! [ You are t o o funny!] I worked on the pre-production phase of PATRIOT [nick name, SWAMP FOOL!] Fortunately I finished up the pre-production part and moved on to help produce a Rev War documentary, lots of fun on that. I am very familiar with the Charleston historical scene, and have worked with various sites and museums there. Even helped to organize a major living history event next door at Drayton Hall. I had a few naval long boats with marines also in the River. Charlestown [its pre-war name] was a major sea port and was called the London of the South. Plenty of docks and warehouses. The ship used for the image I believe was the HMS Rose, and such a ship with that one gun deck and three masts is a frigate. Brigs were used for freight, the typical merchant ship, with smaller ketches, sloops, and schooners for shallow water ports. This film was a historical farce, contrast it with MASTER & COMMANDER. Got to run now, keep it up mate!

@BrandonF

Жыл бұрын

I appreciate the kind words, thank you!

@tef_newalbionpacificmedia

Жыл бұрын

@@BrandonF No good deed should go unpunished! [LOL] As a professional naval historian I appreciate the effort you make to get these matters right, and that is worthy of praise in this age of mediocrity. Once on a film set this actor came on wearing this idiotic Fu Manchu mustache [18th century film] with his British uniform. The Director looked at me and said 'is that right?' and I said "NO". The actor whined and got to keep it and I just shook my head in disgust. The film was a pilot by the way and got laughed out of a screening in Hollywood later on, got sold to late night Turner movies. It was even below Hollywood standards! Carry on, I have to get back to work, scripting two documentary's right now.....and no, I am not at liberty to discuss then at this time. I will give you a heads up later when I can, OK?

I suppose it might make sense that the explosions wouldn't rock the ship so much, considering that it was sat in at least 5 feet of mud and unable to move anywhere in the first place

Whenever I watch that film, I cackle with laughter when this scene shows up. The reaction from the characters, especially Tavington downing that shot, is the icing on the cake. I'm betting the actors had a fun time doing that scene.

Brandon F. You have read my mind. I been waiting for you to discuss the battle of Camden for quite a while. And just to point out something that battle scene got right. I actually see two things. One: The commands the officers gave. Two different commands during the second command structure for ordering your soldiers to fire. American regulars: "Make ready! Take aim! Fire!" British regulars: "Make ready! Present! Fire!" That is one point they acrually get right. Take aim and present. Two different commands, but they mean the same thing. The second point is when Tavington's dragoons charge forward and when the camera films the American blue coat regulars. Some take off running, a handful walk backwards in fear or in confusion or they stand and die. The sight of enemy dragoons charging at you can cause you to second guess your next actions, either fight or flight. And the Betsy Ross flag being abandoned upon the ground, i see it as the color sergeat was either shot or he dropped the flag in fear and ran. Whatever the case, those are two points i think that are accurate. Am i right or wrong?

@wayneantoniazzi2706

Жыл бұрын

At the actual battle of Camden it wasn't the American regulars, the "Continental Line" that broke and ran. American commanding general Gates stupidly put ALL the militia on his left and ALL the Continentals on his right instead if mixing them up so one could steady the other. When the British charge began the militia broke and ran leaving the Continentals unsupported. The Continentals stood fast but were overwhelmed and their general, Baron de Kalb, killed. As far as the Betsy Ross flag is concerned it's doubtful it was ever carried in combat but most Americans recognise it as THE first American flag so it's no surprise film makers use it.

@acrylicsuperstar

Жыл бұрын

@@wayneantoniazzi2706 You took the words right out of my mouth. But you forgot one important detail of why the Virginia milita ran. They were facing Cornwallis's best troops. The British army would always put their best units at the right of its line. So Cornwallis's has his best regiments facing off against the weaker and unprepared American regiments. Rumor was that the best of the British was lead by Bloody-Ban Tarleton, the butcher of Waxhaws.

@wayneantoniazzi2706

Жыл бұрын

@@acrylicsuperstar Right you are about "Right of the line!" Honestly though I think the milita would have broken no matter who the Brits had on the right, milita couldn't be trusted to stand fast or cross bayonets with regulars. Militia did get better as Continentals were discharged, came home, and joined local militia groups and passed on what they'd learned and helped steady the others. As far as what actually happened at the Waxhaws that's a controversy that will probably never be resolved. I've read some of Tarleton's memoirs of his time in the Carolinas and while he's not shy about crowing about his achievments he (very interestingly) doesn't say much about the Waxhaws. I couldn't help but wonder why.

The thing with the Patriot is that it's genre is actually propaganda, sure it veers into others to break up the pacing and try to hide the fact but that is the real reason it is so bad at it when it does a comedic scene or action scene because they are all divergences from what the makers considered important. As for the questions raised in this video they also go back to it being propaganda. Why didn't they portray the owners of the estate historically accurately? Because it would interfere with the intended narrative of underdog common American patriots against the elitist upper class British if they acknowledged that many of the leaders and supporters of the Revolution were just as elitist and upper class. Why did they unload the ship at the estate rather then at the actual port? Because then they would have had to show that in many of the cities the average Americans were often on the British side or at least apolitical and cooperative. They want to give the impression that it was a conflict between the completely separate distinct groups with the entirety of the British occupiers on one side and every American on the other. If they showed a substantial American city with most of it's residents just going about their lives under British control rather then actively fighting or being murdered in the streets it would undermine that separation.

"There are people with mental disabilities. That's not us. They checked. We're just stupid."

20:24 Maybe the ship didn't move in the water when she exploded because she was firmly aground, on the riverbed, in like, a fathom of water? HAHAHA Lyin' Mel: Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

Thanks Brandon. As a Brit, I find The Patriot totally offensive and insulting. That we came second is accepted ( with massive French assistance), is accepted. But to be depicted as idiotic baboons and Nazis really is too much.

my god I love watching you blast the shit out of this movie. When you're finally done killing it to death, I think you should try evaluating a movie you think is really good

tbh "obviously no one expects it to be historically accurate" every time I see a movie and its a historical event/movie, unless its obvious that its fiction (or isn't supposed to be realistic) I assume/expect it to be as historically accurate to an extent at least. Uniforms and names and exact same events may be a bit off (as uniforms to be 100% accurate can be a lot of work but as long as its close enough to be similar) names might change to follow a story that didn't actually take place but based on a certain event/era, and events aren't going to be 100% the same but I expect it to suspend my disbelief that it's real, and if I were to be interested and look into it, I won't be so baffled and surprised that its completely wrong

I reckon it's a very peculiar trait of American movies the one you pointed out - the ethical incoherence of protagonists vs the plot: aka how often the very violent actions that are the catalyst of the story are the same perpetrated by the "good" characters but that get overlooked in favor of their moral positions in the story. Just look at movies about terrorism and tell me how many people the good guys get killed or how many buildings get exploded and tell me again how I'm supposed to differentiate who's the terrorist and who isn't.

@JP-rf8rr

Жыл бұрын

I mean it's usually not kill count that determines it. It's the method and of killing usually that is used to demonstrate it. For example, American Sniper had the terrorist drilling holes into children's limbs to terrorize the community. Sole survivor had something similar. That's how movies generally differentiate for the audience. Sometimes for historic pieces they rely on the audience's background knowledge. You didn't have to show the nazis in Patton being extra evil to know they're the bad guys.

I really do wish someone would make a reverse The Patriot. Have it be historically accurate and from the opposing perspective: The Loyalist - a movie about Colonel Tye or some other of the myriad of Black Loyalists perhaps.

The folded tin foil hat got me 😂 love your content

I have another theory with the fireworks woman. The white powder cosmetic seen on her face were typically made from lead, and that scene is the movie's way to show the effect of lead poisoning. Or maybe I give too much credit to the movie.

Once again, very entertaining! Even the ads are entertaining!

Thank you for this amazing video series! The Patriot has irked me for a long time. I would love it if you someday make a video about the terrible costumes/uniforms/and hair in that movie. ❤

Ah yes, I fully agree @28:19 The Battle of Camden should be next. I've annoyed Brandon about this before. There are some rather accurate details with the french muskets, uniforms, etc. The actual battle itself of course had much more occur in it than what is shown in the film. And Cornwallis wasnt afraid to use open order tactics, but to show that would of course destroy the point of the movie. I'm sure Brandon will find plenty of details I've never noticed before to tear aprt as well. haha But yes, I m HERE for the Battle of Camden review. No matter what we all think of this film, can we all at least agree that the acting of Jason Isaacs and of Tom Wilkinson and the other British officers is still amazing?

What I love about this channel’s approach to historical accuracy is that you actually take the time to explain why real history and what ACTUALLY happened in the settings of the historical movies that you review. Are often much more interesting and would have made for way better stories to watch, than what those movies (In this case, The Patriot) ended up actually being written about.

When that foil went on the tricorn, I knew for sure the friggin' frogs had all been turned gay.

“This isn’t the Russian army” got me dying

Just when I'm about point out that Roland Emerich and Mel Gibson might not realize that British Sailors don't wear red coats and probably don't know what a Marine even is, Brandon goes full "Bush Did 9-11," on my ass and it's the funniest thing since the last time he did something funny

The entire Patriot film deserves your 30 minute-per-scene review ratio, such a delight🤣

At the Battle of the Nile, the French First Rate l'Orient suffered a catastrophic magazine explosion. Nearby ships saw their hulls rupture from the overpressure wave. For the next TEN minutes no gunshot was fired, from a combination of shock, terror, and attempts by neighboring vessels on both sides to get away. In the age of sail, very rarely were ships outright destoryed or even sunk, and mostly captured or surrendered. Even a Sixth Rate frigate exploding would be a tremendous shock to anyone around (who was still standing and/or not on fire.)

Yup, moving supplies quietly off the boats, away from the obvious spot. Nah bro, he's heading inland.

Thank you Brandon. You’re videos have helped me through tough weeks. You are truly a wonderful creator. God bless.

@BrandonF

Жыл бұрын

I'm glad I've been able to help out. Thank you for the kind words!

i love the tinfoil cocked hat bit, can this be a recurring segment with media critiques?

I was waiting for a meeting between Cornwallis and Tavinton/Tarleton where you see the latter cutting the meat off of a leg of a small animal. C: "That's unusual...lamb?" T/T: *looks up with sauce all over his mouth* "Orphan. There are so many around, it would be a shame to waste the meat." *Pan to a small pile of tiny shoes in the corner* Because eeeeevil

The fact that you got Alex Jones to come do a segment made this even funnier.

Brandon should do a video covering the final battle scene in the movie. The part where the Americans about to lose, but then Mel waves a flag around and they win, because "America! F*ck Yeah!"

@shadowscall7758

Жыл бұрын

Well, not saying anything but that scene in particular, but Morale often decides battles.

Excellent video aside, Brandon's ad spots are severely underrated.

@BrandonF

Жыл бұрын

Fortunately I have never watched the Patriot.

PLEASE CAN WE HAVE THE NEXT VIDEO IN THIS SERIES I AM LOVING IT

One of those portraits is actually of one of the scenes I was thinking of from a rather different battle: the Battle of the Nile was fought between the French and British in the Napoleonic Wars, and Rear-Admiral Horatio Nelson was up to his normal insanity. (There’s a reason the man is well-honored by the Royal Navy.) The portrait at 24:54 is of the sinking of L’Orient, a French warship who was at some point struck in the magazine. A couple of important notes here; this entire battle took place over… oh, I would say roughly a square mile or two, from start to finish? A large enough area for a lone man to not see everything that’s going on but small enough for a pair of war fleets to consider it cramped. Secondly ships didn’t frequently *sink*, they were usually reduced to floating hulks and either patched up and captured or left to sink of their own accord. The moment captured there is so dramatic, the blast so powerful that two entire fleets just *stopped* to stare in horror as the ship tore itself apart with a blast heard and felt for miles, the ships next to her were severely damaged and a couple were set ablaze from the debris. These weren’t inexperienced crews watching their first magazine detonation either, they’d almost all seen it before at various points. L’Orient’s was just so violent that it actually sticks out in the history books. Magazine detonations could also be called eruptions, such is the raw power of a large stock of power. A twenty gun ship, scraping the riverbed, loaded with not only her own powder but also enough for an army? If something like a 118-gun ship of the line was dramatic, this poor little thing should have been completely obliterated assuming it wasn’t 90% of the way unloaded, which it seemingly wasn’t.

@wayneantoniazzi2706

Жыл бұрын

L'Orient MAY have been struck in the magazine but I have my doubts. My own suspicion is it may have been careless ammunition handling, or someone dropped a lantern where he shouldn't have and caused the catastrophe. Magazines were some of the best-protected parts of those warships and way down or below the waterline. But a lucky shot might have hit it. It doesn't matter. But you are correct when you mention the explosion stunned both sides into inaction, not believing what they were seeing.

@MAGEs-of-Anarchy

Жыл бұрын

@@wayneantoniazzi2706 carelessly tossing things about sunk many a ship at Jutland; but given how strict everything was, I doubt a lantern was ever within 100 feet of that magazine. Either way, the ship erupted so violently that I doubt anyone could recount the true tale, I think it was lost with all or almost all hands.

@thomasdarnall8912

Жыл бұрын

Fast forward to May 1941, the Battle of Denmark Straight... When the KMS Bismarck scored her lucky hit on the HMS Hood, none of the German sailors were celebrating. There were just frozen. Stunned and shocked at what they just witnessed.

@wayneantoniazzi2706

Жыл бұрын

@@thomasdarnall8912 That reminds me of what a WW2 US Navy veteran once told me: "Sailors never cheer when they see a ship go down, even an enemy ship. "There but for the grace of God go I" is the first thing that runs through their minds. Watching the sea swallow up a ship is one of the saddest things you can see."

man you really love this movie

@BrandonF

Жыл бұрын

In a sense, it's been very good for me!

Ummm… I never noticed before, but… Martin’s Marvelous Mates are rowing away from the ship while the boat moves towards the ship… the oarsmen should have their backs to the direction of travel. 🤣

I'm happy to see the Surprise mentioned briefly! I'm a member of that museum and they've got some awesome living exhibits. Sadly, I think the poor Surprise will need a lot of money to sail again.