I can imagine how cancer this would be in warthunder

@L3_FR

4 ай бұрын

The first comment being about warthunder is just too much lmao

@allenliu8820

4 ай бұрын

if they add infantry

@BlueDevel

4 ай бұрын

Warthunder causes cancer

@gruntscrewdriver3261

4 ай бұрын

@@allenliu8820 they did already, or did you skip enlisted? :d

@allenliu8820

4 ай бұрын

@@gruntscrewdriver3261 enlisted is not war thunder

When it comes to well designed mortars, our Finnish sibblings are simply the best in the world without competition. 🇸🇪🤝🏻🇫🇮

@michawojtaszek2052

4 ай бұрын

Well... No. kzread.info/dash/bejne/dI2cydqTY62ch8Y.html

@HedgehogZone

4 ай бұрын

No autoloader and has to aim to the front after each shoot. Nah this shit isnt worth it!

@peabase

4 ай бұрын

@@HedgehogZone You must be a fanboy. The NEMO was specifically designed to fit smaller vehicles, because of space and weight constraints. You could fit a fully automated mortar on a warship, but that would defeat the purpose of such a weapon.

@xSnooFix

4 ай бұрын

​@@HedgehogZonesmart guy here

@karisalonen8984

4 ай бұрын

Just wondering how many have actually operated such a system?

The AMOS version is REALLY cool! The US really needs to update their motor carriers, this seems like the perfect weapon to do that.

@xxxlonewolf49

4 ай бұрын

Replacing & buying new systems costs $$$ & has to be justified as better enough & factor in training & maintaining the system.

@nickc7320

4 ай бұрын

Yes. The entire US fleet is old, cold war systems that have been upgraded enough to deal with insurgents. The jltv is the first modern Era system pushed out for the Army.

@dominuslogik484

4 ай бұрын

I remember the US military was playing around with a very similar system about 20 years ago. I think the issue is that it just doesn't fall into the US doctrine at the moment since the US operates on Air Dominance/supremacy the idea is that if it isn't being done by a 155mm howitzer or small drone its being done by a large drone or a multirole fighter jet. now I wouldn't mind seeing the US update the mortar carrier with a similar system but I also think Raytheon or General Dynamics land systems could put out a domestic product that is similar or better with a very short development cycle and probably slap it on top of a Stryker.

@dominuslogik484

4 ай бұрын

@@nickc7320 The Stryker is from 2002, most of our aircraft are pretty new with even the super hornet technically being from the late 90s. The M3 (not M2) bradley is technically a different vehicle in the same way that the M47 and M48 were different vehicles despite the changes being largely in shape and the M3 is post cold war. really the issue is that the US military stopped adopting completely new systems in the early 2000s because the global economy was trashed.

@stupidburp

4 ай бұрын

NEMO is perfect for Strykers. The US Army is still upgrading to double V hull Strykers and this would be a great addition. AMOS would be good for tracked platforms such as a variant of the upcoming XM30 MICV Bradley replacement.

As a former mortar crewman (81mm M29) I approve this mortar system! In environments where you need to shoot and scoot (to avoid counter-battery fire), this system would be ideal!

@Sarlacc53

4 ай бұрын

As a former mortar crewman, can you explain why those modern mortars look like they are stealth?! Why not round barrels?

@marrs1013

4 ай бұрын

I think we arrived to the era where counter-battery fire is the least of your problem. 'Simple' drones with an RPG-7 warhead can find you and hit you while on the move.

@cyberherbalist

4 ай бұрын

@@marrs1013 - Yes, and that is definitely a change from my day! Yep, I was in the _real_ Army, when we had to carry 50 pound rucksacks and four rounds of 81mm ammo, along with the tube, bipod, and baseplate, 20 miles uphill in a blizzard! And you young whippersnappers go to battle in a Humvee!

@SonsOfLorgar

4 ай бұрын

​@@marrs1013 and get shot down by the .50 Browning in the top mounted remotely operated weapon station...

@marrs1013

4 ай бұрын

@@SonsOfLorgar We don't see that happening currently. Eyeballing a drone with .50 cal is something that seems highly unlikely. Drones have the upper hand at this stage. But of course, it's called an 'arms race' for a reason.

Finland makes so much interesting military stuff!

@Qwarzz

4 ай бұрын

Finnish military is pretty much built on artillery and mortars. Eastern Finland is nothing but forests, swamps and lakes so this sort of firepower is perfect there.

@nikolavikainen6979

4 ай бұрын

We have to. Look who neighbours us to the east

@Qwarzz

4 ай бұрын

@@nikolavikainen6979 The singular enemy we train to fight against.

@jonnekallu1627

3 ай бұрын

@@Qwarzz The long standing explanation for why Finland has so much love for artillery platforms is the Paris Peace Treaty that forbade Finland from having certain weapon systems like bombers or in modern parlance "strike/ground attack" platforms.

@GolfinKunnanMestari

3 ай бұрын

Wait for our new flying AI-AT-mine.

The NEMO system is awesome and the 6X6/8X8 vehicles are some of the best in the world.

My great-uncle was a marine mortarman during the island hopping campaign of WW2. I can only imagine what he would say if he were around to see this. I bet it would completely blow his mind.

The NATO Nona. Actually, what impressed me the most in the video wasn't the mortar system but the little drone on the naval variant of the NEMO. I know modern militaries use drones like those for reconnaissance, but are they capable of feeding coordinates to indirect fire systems? That's real neat.

@hullutsuhna

4 ай бұрын

with a combination of GPS and inertial sensors & decent optical sensors a drone can not only put itself on a map but also calculate the coordinates for a target it has detected, even if the coordinates are slightly off, after the second salvo at latest the observed hits will have provided the NEMO with the data it needs to make the corrections. Patria started developing AMOS/NEMO in the 90s & as the system is designed to work with target data from human FOs as well the human error has been factored in from the beginning, after over 20 years of close cooperation with the Finnish Defence Forces the system should be more than capable of making any necessary corrections on the fly.

@owen5524

4 ай бұрын

Russians have using drones to guide in laser-guided Krasnopol artillery rounds; Ukrainians use their drones to drop GPS-guided Excalibur rounds.

@wwiking8055

4 ай бұрын

Thats literally how all forward observation is done in ukraine and russia right now

@jeremakela9273

4 ай бұрын

@@wwiking8055 I am pretty sure they are not fed directly into the mortar operators brain tho. They check cordinates with drones give them to the mortar/artillery guy who then manually make adjustments on the weapon system. This is very different compared to automatcally lock on to the targets.

@jonesijones

4 ай бұрын

@@jeremakela9273depends on the setting. The co-ordinares can also be sent directly to the system that will lock on to the new target. New fire missions or corrections to the fire are rarely made by the ones who operate the vehicle.

Seriously appreciate non-computer narration. Something like this could solve current commercial shipping problems. It’s a little overkill for a container ship but it would be an easy install and probably could be operated by a single trained crew member.

@_Matsimus_

4 ай бұрын

I’m glad because I hate the voice generated crap

@laurihaar1638

20 күн бұрын

They have a version that is for ships and available as a container to put on the deck. There is a video under Patria Group about that.

when I first heard of NEMO over a decade ago it had already been tested on modified landing craft & at one point in the 2000s the Swedish Navy was planning on incorporating it into the Combat Boat 2010, but when Combat Boat 2010 was cancelled the plan to put the system on Swedish Navy vessels died as well, until now.

@SonsOfLorgar

4 ай бұрын

Wasn't that just the AMOS system?

@hullutsuhna

4 ай бұрын

@@SonsOfLorgar the two are so closely related that as far as I am aware the difference is pretty much "AMOS has two tubes while NEMO has one & as such the latter is lighter & can be fitted to more platforms" so many people tend to talk of them as if they were one and the same, but thanks for correcting me.

@SonsOfLorgar

4 ай бұрын

​@@hullutsuhna when I did my conscript training in a mortar platoon 2003/04, we were shown a promo video of the AMOS on CV90 in the regimental film hall as our captain had been part of the Swedish prototype test crew 😁 Before our govt gutted the defense budget and forced the army to choose between keeping AMOS OR Archer...😢

Artillery systems really dominate the battlefield either your army is on the offensive or defensive. That's why it is important for a certain land-dominating country to reinforce their armed forces with artillery systems similar to NEMO 120 mm systems, 120 mm SPGs, 105 mm SPGS, towed artilleries, and etc.

@dominuslogik484

4 ай бұрын

its been hundreds of years and the cannon/howitzer and mortar are still the kings of the battlefield.

@11kungfu11

4 ай бұрын

But I thought Ukraine was winning on the battle field?

@dominuslogik484

4 ай бұрын

@@11kungfu11 who even mentioned Ukraine here? Are you a bot or something?

@jeremakela9273

4 ай бұрын

@@dominuslogik484 Most likely a troll.

@dominuslogik484

4 ай бұрын

@@jeremakela9273 Just because the username seems like it, are you from Finland?

Both Finland and Sweden have great military capabilities.

@JKos-cz9lj

4 ай бұрын

The only problem is how finland and sweden will share russia. 60% to finns and 40 to swedes?

@FINMrCurly

3 ай бұрын

​@@JKos-cz9ljno reason to fight. Just let us be

The really interesting thing about the containerised NEMO is the possibility of installing it on the weather deck of otherwise unarmed ships, fleet auxiliary and the like. (I suppose in theory it would be possible to temporarily fit civilian ships with containerised NEMO and CIWS to give them a quick-fix self-defence capability for a virtual convoy in situations like the current Red Sea crisis, but that gets into really *expensive* legal waters…)

@steveaustin2686

4 ай бұрын

I was thinking the same thing. A container with NEMO on a cargo ship. Direct fire when they are far enough out would be bad for the pirates and indirect fire air bursts would likely convince them to move on even with misses. Most amphibious ships don't really have weapons, so this could be used on them as well. They have used HIMARS trucks on ships too.

@dominuslogik484

4 ай бұрын

Putting weapons on container ships is a pretty bad idea generally because the moment you do it you just broke the distinction between civilian and military targets so in a conflict indiscriminate targeting of civilian craft is completely justified. its not WW2 anymore where merchant ships were basically considered military assets of their respective countries and could be shot on sight.

@steveaustin2686

4 ай бұрын

@@dominuslogik484 The pirates don't care about the rules of war and WANT to attack civilian ships. So putting a container with a NEMO on a civilian ship in waters where pirates attack ships, would help them fend off pirates. For civilian ships carrying military supplies to a war zone, they are a valid military target already. So arming them might help from small boat attacks.

@dominuslogik484

4 ай бұрын

@@steveaustin2686 the problem with arming ships is that now ALL ships are a target. its kind of like deploying troops in civilian clothes which is a warcrime. now I do fully support merchant vessels arming themselves to defend against pirates but its a bit tricky to do these days.

@steveaustin2686

4 ай бұрын

@@dominuslogik484 Like I said, pirates are attacking civilian ships anyway. The problem with arming civilian ships, even with small arms, is that some ports might not allow them, because they are armed. Something that will require the country of the ship flying their flag and/or the company running the ship to work out with any ports or sovereign waters that the ship will pass through. If a ship is carrying military supplies it is a target already, so ALL ships are already targets because they might be carrying military supplies. Not something you would put on all civilian ships during a war, but something you might put on a ship carrying military supplies. And if you are at war with somebody, they are likely to attack your flagged shipping anyway, armed or not.

The NEMO isn't a vehicle. It's a turreted mortar system, which can be mounted on a variety of vehicles and small ships.

@berryreading4809

4 ай бұрын

He says exactly this at around the 2:05 mark... Did you make this comment before actually watching the video? 😉

@steveaustin2686

4 ай бұрын

@@berryreading4809 Exactly. He mentions it is modular and can fit on many vehicles all through out the video.

@j.f.fisher5318

4 ай бұрын

that seems like a superb infantry support weapon. Shorter in restricted terrain and less muzzle blast than a 120mm tank gun but a big HE round.

@LasOrveloz

4 ай бұрын

@@steveaustin2686 Including not vehicles. the "Mounted in and on a shipping container and remote operated" is genious not to mention you can keep a shipping container on a train, boat or truck and still be mobile.

@steveaustin2686

4 ай бұрын

@@LasOrveloz A few of us have mentioned the NEMO shipping container as a way to thwart pirates, either with direct fire or airburts in traditional mortar firing mode from a cargo ship.

The Fins develop some of the world's best mortar tech, and have for some time now.

@dominuslogik484

4 ай бұрын

Finnish military tech and history is really an interesting topic in general.

Always liked the AMOS mortar system, glad you made another vid about something similar.

@gruntscrewdriver3261

4 ай бұрын

AMOS is just douple barreled NEMO

@SonsOfLorgar

4 ай бұрын

​@@gruntscrewdriver3261 though it would be more accurate to say the NEMO is a single barrel AMOS due to which variant was first developed.

@gruntscrewdriver3261

4 ай бұрын

@@SonsOfLorgar True that. The OP's reference is simply the reason I sentenced it that way.

Finland is pretty artillery heavy and has produced basic mortar systems for a long time. We have only AMOS version in the Finnish army. At least for now.🇫🇮✌️

@amadeuz8161

4 ай бұрын

How do everyone know what we have? Like when did we start to report to the Russians of everything we have/use? Back in my day you really thought we were at war with those bstrds again befor getting back to the real world again for your first vacation. Reporting numbers really doesn't compute with the image I have of our military. Are we really that stpd today that we say out loud what we have or are we still wise enough to say enough to keep those filthy orcs on their side of the border?

@AugustKling

4 ай бұрын

In Finnland it is cold. Gas is better than weapons.

@Qwarzz

4 ай бұрын

@@AugustKling Heating with gas is quite rare in Finland really.

I can imagine the impact this would have had with the mounted patrols in Afghanistan and not having to wait on air support as much.

@goldbullet50

3 ай бұрын

I don't think the Taliban had much of an air support on their side, and traditional mortars were probably more compatible with their guerrilla warfare against the US/ISAF aggression than NEMO.

Great video. Small error though. AMOS isn't a upgrade version of NEMO. NEMO is a lighter version of AMOS. Iirc The Swedish navy wanted a lighter version of AMOS to be fitted to ther CB90 because the AMOS were to heavy so the NEMO was developed.

That music at the beginning, Throwback!! Mind blown with everything it can do. Thanks Matt.

i love how indirect fire systems with modern fire control can fire numerous rounds with different ballistic arcs that all land at the same time, then scoot and do it again

dude this thing is badass. one of these mixed in with a combined arms force, ifv, afv, apc, tanks etc would be a huge threat on the battel field. and the containerized version! sooo cool and adaptable!!

@NarowAR07

2 ай бұрын

First time i heard if the container version i thought it was kinda stupid but the more i thought about it the more sense it made. Civilian cargo trains/boats/even trucks can quickly be converted to an mobile artillery unit. Imagine an cargo shit or train with multiple of them!

nemo makes me warm in my mortarman places.🥰

@SonsOfLorgar

4 ай бұрын

Same here 🥰 Was trained in -03/-04 on 12cm m/41D mortars designed in Finland (much improved on Soviet 100mm mortars captured in the winter war iirc.), built under licence by Bofors😊 Finnish mortar design ever since is second to none!❤

Yeah ive seen it working. It´s cool to have here in Finland and more we need

I love the feature where NEMO can shoot multiple mortars at enemy positions with different arcs of flight and hit nearly same time to that one position.

That looks like it could indeed be a game changer!

@RonLWilson

4 ай бұрын

BTW, in the future one could imagine the shipping container version of this being fitted on off shore wind and solar farms such as by Taiwan to help defend against an amphibious invasion by China. Since these are getting ever more huge (e.g. Google How Offshore Wind is Revolutionizing Energy Production) the shipping containers could be beefed up with additional armor plus augmented with other weapons such as Anduril's Road Runner Anti Aircraft missiles and even laser weapons and sensors (including underwater sensors) to take out UAVs, Boats, and detect and target subs and such. It seems Taiwan is planning to invest heavily in off shore wind farms and just installed their third wind farm (e.g. Google kzread.info/dash/bejne/m6yoyLCkca7dk9Y.html) One advantage of mounting these in windfarms is that one can have a ready source of electrical power. Plus these are massive and one could easily bolt on attachments such as a beefed up shipping container. One can even put up dummy ones as well as decoys. And just having a small crew makes this even more feasible in that they could travel by small boat out to a sight or even add a hello landing pas to the windfarm, which might be useful for other purposes as well such as for maintenance e crews to use. These could also be used to recharge UAVs and even autonomous subs like Anduril's Ghost Shark where a wind farm can act as a distributed unsinkable ship, at least hard to sink. For a surface ship might have a hard time surviving in the Taiwan straights but a distributed network of unsinkable ships might have a better chance of surviving.

@sprint12polska

4 ай бұрын

y Yes and no, As a mortar range is relatively limited so this has to operate in range of kamikaze drones , but speed and extra protection (mostly electronic warfare) plus correct tactics and planning could make this potentially be very dangerous weapon system. Poland actually build and currently put into service similar system called "RAK" funny enough installed on licensed PATRIA 8x8 called ROSOMAK some of them already has been sent to Ukraine but I didn't yes come across with any usage or destroyed videos yet.

I could have sworn you covered AMOS at some point, maybe it was another youtuber, anyway thanks for featuring NEMO, as a mortarman myself I start feeling weird things whenever I hear the list of all the capabilities AMOS/NEMO has.

@SonsOfLorgar

4 ай бұрын

Same! /Swedish mortar man on 12cm m/41 designed by Tampella *corrected

@hullutsuhna

4 ай бұрын

@@SonsOfLorgar *Tampella, Sako is a small arms manufacturer, I was surprised when I heard just how popular the 120 KRH/40 (Finnish designation for the weapon-) with its various licensed copies (and copies of copies-) have been around the World.

@SonsOfLorgar

4 ай бұрын

​@@hullutsuhna it's a great and reliable piece of engineering, in Sweden they were transfered to service with the Home guard when the regular mechanised brigades were uparmed with the Mjölner CV90120SPPM (Self Propelled Protected Mortar)

@steveaustin2686

4 ай бұрын

He did, 5 years ago in a video titled "Advanced Mortar System (AMOS) - Twin Barrel 120mm Mortar". It is mostly some other narrator with Matsimus talking at the end. Edit: Also this video 11 months ago "The 'Mjölner' Rapid Fire 120mm Mortar Vehicle | DOUBLE BARRELED INDIRECT FIRE"

This is a really impressive system and I wonder just how small they can slim it down to where it might fit on something along the lines of a HMMVV or the back of a pickup truck.

@superdave4564

4 ай бұрын

80 mm version on a Humvee, 60mm on a Hilux. Main thing would be the power generation for computer and hydraulics.

@davidritter7614

4 ай бұрын

Do they have an AMPHIBIOUS" capability unit yet! 🤔🤔

@SonsOfLorgar

4 ай бұрын

​@@superdave4564 none of those vehicle's suspensions could ever be reinforced and stiffened enough to handle the recoil impulse of a 120mm mortar.

@steveaustin2686

4 ай бұрын

@@SonsOfLorgar I believe there is a mortar version that pivots the tube over the back to rest on the ground, so the recoil isn't as bad on the vehicle. Takes longer to set up than NEMO would, but would work on lighter vehicles. IIRC, it's like a minute or so to set up or stow.

Hey Matt, happy NY :) love the current videos, keep them coming. Self propelled rapid fire mortar systems always had a sepcial place in my heart lol

It goes where containers go : everywhere! TY Matt.

I love the Nemo mortar system 👍

I am absolutely impressed. This is out of the box thinking for combat vehicles

Amazingly versatile while keeping to a single main system for ease of maintenance logistics.

I was in a stryker unit but I really love the new boxer armored vehicle, specifically the modular kits.

I like that some of your videos especially some older ones seem with their music and presentation like late 2000s car presentations or games like Forza Motorsport 3.

I wonder how you stack up this system, the Patria Nemo (6 million) with the Panzerhaubitze 2000 (17 million) in terms of bang for the buck. Granted they do fill two different roles. So lets say a battery of the panzers of 6 (102 million) versus 17 of the nemos for the same price. I hate to say it as a former FO, but having fire that is dedicated to me is more valuable than something shared by the entire brigade. I think the immediacy of fire from the mortars would be my goto. I would certainty prefer the rate of fire from the Patria versus the 120mm mortars on the back of m113s and the Paladins that I had in the late 80s, early 90s. I would be interested in mean time to failure on these automated systems though. Edit, ok at 4.5 million, that Archer is looking real attractive.

@SonsOfLorgar

4 ай бұрын

The thing with mortars though is that they have better effect on targets in light-medium cover/field fortifications than howitzers. Both is needed.

@piotrd.4850

4 ай бұрын

Think about it: most of cost contributors - barrel, FCS - are very similar. Not sure about ammo, but automated mortar always will be quicker.

@znail4675

4 ай бұрын

@@SonsOfLorgar Both is a good answer. It's also worth noting that by having organic mortar support so will that let any supporting howitzers focus on the really important fire missions.

@jenniferwagner4595

4 ай бұрын

@@znail4675 you can probably afford to upgrade one at a time. Imho.

Outstanding system, and very versatile. They look like they pack a real punch, too.120mm is 4.72" vs the 155mm howitzers at 6 inches. Really very cool.

This is really cool

Saw this on a boat recently was confused but now it makes sense

Westwood Studios called they want their voxel models from 90s RTS games back. You even have a double barrel version and fixed turrets, C&C all over it.

That intro song is saucy. Great stuff!

@_Matsimus_

4 ай бұрын

🕺🏼🕺🏼🕺🏼

Good stuff, looks like a solid system

New Zealand need to add this to their LAVs

Very glad to see the AMOS coming back in style. We in Sweden were supposed to mount it on CV90 chassis, but we bought a cheaper manual system instead. Now we're ordering the NEMO, i would suspect we will see the CV90 version coming back into focus now after this.

Hi Matsimus, Great overview of the Patria NEMO Mortar system, and what a capability to have for fast indirect fire support. I feel that the Mortar has practically, if not already, reached the pinnacle of design in terms of Lethality, accuracy, rate of fire and crew survivability. Not only that, it boasts the flexibility of modularity between wheeled and Tracked platforms with complete Battle Space Connectivity. The NEMO Mortar Module that is being proposed for Boxer should hopefully become a formidable capability in the not too distant future. Whilst a few well respected UK Defence Analysts have, for a while now, been suggesting that the British Army should look seriously at a Boxer NEMO Module as future close Medium Weight Fire Support addition to its Current Army Future Transformation Strategy. We can only hope their advise is acted upon, Cheers.👍

Logistics support and defence makes a lot of sense, but when you first said shipping container mounted all I could think of was how long before Maersk is trying to buy them to drop on top of their container ships going through the Red Sea, lol

Nemo system has one mortar, and Amos system has two mortars. And the Patria does rest (panzer vehicle). Same mortars are use assault boats too.

Mat is laying down some funky beats for us!

@_Matsimus_

4 ай бұрын

🕺🏼🕺🏼🕺🏼

Looking forward to the model kit for it.

We need these for sure

Imagine using "Bofors STRIX" with either this or AMOS

Just imagine a Gatling style morter system. A spinning "drum magazine"

So this is basically half of the AMOS capability at, presumably a more disgestible price, but you can still double them up for basically getting an AMOS if you want? The modularity is stunning.

@hakes98

4 ай бұрын

No. AMOS is a different, albeit similiar system that was developed by patria for the finnish defence forces. Patria does not own the AMOS system, but rather the FDF so they developed their "own" version wich is the NEMO so they can sell it to other countries.

@jonesijones

4 ай бұрын

New AMOS-vehicles have not been in production for quite some time. AMOS was a project between Patria and a swedish company that no longer exists. That’s why the NEMO was created and it has been fine tuned to be almost as effective as the AMOS counterpart. Modularity is key when talking about almost any Patria vehicle or system. NEMO can be integrated to different vehicles easily and can still operate extremely effectively.

I love that it is a shipping container. I think these ultralight artillery pieces are the future.

@juslitor

4 ай бұрын

Not mobile enough, they are cannon fodder after their first fire mission

@DuBstep115

3 ай бұрын

@@juslitor Something that maybe US could have in their base in Afghanistan. Place that is close to danger but heavily defended.

I felt the same when I learned about it-just amazed. I wish the United States would buy some of these really good weapons from around the world. I mean goddamn, it's amazing.

@pekkajarvinen69

4 ай бұрын

These are not even that expensive, well worth the price

@juslitor

4 ай бұрын

Alas, the american arnament industry have excellent lobbers, doubt anything foreign would reach widespread adaptation.

@DuBstep115

3 ай бұрын

@@juslitor The sole reason why US army exists, is to make money for weapons industry

The best mortar system. Is the one with range and easy mobility. And easy to be concealed. With a decent punch. Capable of stopping human enemy waves. To me, that's the best mortar system.

I predict that automated mortar systems will be part of all modern mechanized formations to stay ahead in the OODA loop.

@Sarlacc53

4 ай бұрын

what is OODA?

@PolluxA

4 ай бұрын

@@Sarlacc53 Observe, orient, decide, act. You look for a target. Is this friend or foe, is it appropriate according the the rules of engagement, are you hesitant or is your training on point etc.? Do you engage now or wait for whatever reason. (Ambush. Want to get closer). Attack. Repeat. With new technology such as automated systems, AI and expendable drones with the ability to search for targets and feed the weapon system with target data, it will be more important than ever to stay ahead in the loop. Modern automated weapon systems will saturate older weapons in a conflict in seconds while they are on the move themselves.

@znail4675

4 ай бұрын

The more missions a small formation can solve by themself without having to call in for fire support, the more rapidly it can deal with enemies it meets. Mortars is extra nice to have along as they provide a lot more firepower for the size and cost of ammo then other types of artillery saving on the logistics end. There are also anti-tank rounds for mortars making them also able to fill a similar role as anti-tank missiles, but cheaper.

Very Impressed!

Naval fire control systems seem to have been added, about time they applied it to land systems.

Ok when they quickly switched elevations and shot to have 10 rounds hit the target at the same time, THAT was impressive! (And yes I know that's nothing new) Direct fire mortar though XD

shipping container and they want to put it on ships. is anyone else thinking they want to sell this to shipping companies to defend against pirates?

@DuBstep115

3 ай бұрын

lol imagine dropping that on cargo ship :D

The CV90 Mjolner is a recent 120 mm self-propelled mortar system. It was developed in Sweden by BAE Systems Hagglunds.

Not sure how will NEMO will fit on my Ford Fiesta ... but it's on my Christmas list.

@juslitor

4 ай бұрын

Just remember to rename it to Ford Fiasco if santa delivers ;)

Imagine if a foreword observer had direct control of this mortar system with the use of a tablet handset. It would be game changing

@hessul884

3 ай бұрын

In Finland we have something similar. Either mortars directly subordinated, or artillery batteries from the rear.

Finally I believe Matsimus said he would be making this video 4or5 years ago

I wish the US had something like this.

@pekkajarvinen69

4 ай бұрын

I thought all Nato members can buy stuff from each other. I'm sure you guys have bought some stuff you don't produce, but is needed

A vehicle that blows my mind is the CV90-120 Ghost, a light weight futuristic looking low profile tank with a 120mm gun, this one puts the M10 Booker to shame...perhaps do a video on the CV 90-120 ghost Mat!?

@dominuslogik484

4 ай бұрын

you had me right up until "puts the M10 booker to shame" there is no evidence that it is a better vehicle than the booker other than some marketing and promotional material and the comment reeks of "I get my idea of US military procurement from the pentagon wars movie"

@gerlachsieders4578

4 ай бұрын

​@dominuslogik484 Being from the EU, I haven't got a foggiest what the Pantagon Wars are...That said, my opinion (emphasis) is based on the fact that the ghost is less heavy, has a 120mm gun vs the 105mm, is faster, more agile and is more stealthy. Atb

@dominuslogik484

4 ай бұрын

@@gerlachsieders4578 "more stealthy" if it produces heat as a ground vehicle it isn't stealthy. 105mm has a better variety of ammunition for the stated goal of infantry support than the 120mm has available along with larger ammo capacity in the turret. "more agile" is up for debate as the two have not been compared to one another in a direct competition. as for it being lighter weight the M10 booker is between 38-42 tons with the CV90-120 coming out around 38 tons with only the earliest versions sporting a light autocannon being much lighter. also the top speed is slightly faster on the M10 booker with the unclassified details stating 45 MPH vs the CV90 at 43 MPH. also I am fairly certain you have movie theaters in the EU and that the Pentagon wars movie and the book are available in the EU.

Coming to ArmA 3 in the next DLC! Not a joke! Especially the drop and go container setup!

While the NEMO system can be integrated with IFVs like the CV90 (which I think would be an improvement over the Mjölner given its ability to suppress the elevation to -3 degrees and so able to engage targets with direct fire), I think that integration of the NEMO (or maybe even the AMOS) into the M10 Booker light "not a tank" might yield the ideal heavy mortar carrier. The much heavier armor of the M10 would greatly increase the survivability of this type of shorter range system that has to be relatively close to the line of contact and thus much more likely to run into a newer generation IFV with larger 40mm gun or a soldier with a RPG that the lighter armor of a APC/IFV hull wouldn't provide sufficient protection. And while it couldn't go toe-to-toe with a MBT if it accidentally found itself within range and LOS of one, a NEMO/M10 system wouldn't be entirely helpless since it could fire a HEAT round on a direct trajectory that could at least penetrate the side and rear armor. In fact while moving between firing locations, it would probably be smart to keep an unguided HEAT round in the gun for just this situation.

@SonsOfLorgar

4 ай бұрын

It can also fire a homing top attack EFP round with or witout rocket booster at up to 8km...

I don't know why but the ZSU It's always kind of caught my eye like those old Russian anti-air systems like 60s 70s cold war stuff always thought those are really cool

Imagine copping a 120mm mortar direct fired at you. That would hurt.

@SonsOfLorgar

4 ай бұрын

Wouldn't really hurt at all, it's more of a logistics (sponge and bucket style) and paperwork issue for your CO...🙃

A couple of those container mounted ones on top of ships passing through pirate infested waters might change some minds 😊

Yemen is currently giving us a great testing ground for the ship/boat-based version. Would be fun to see how well NEMO performs.

Slap a container version of NEMO on a cargo ship traveling through areas with pirates. Direct fire vs a pirate would be bad for them or dropping rounds from up high would probably convince the pirates to move on.

@SonsOfLorgar

4 ай бұрын

With NEMO's accuracy, the only direction Pirates would be "moving on" would be to feed the local aquatic fauna...

@Darwinist

4 ай бұрын

Use airburst fuzes and you´d be golden.

@steveaustin2686

4 ай бұрын

@@Darwinist Yeah, highly visible and more likely to get a hit.

@dominuslogik484

4 ай бұрын

@@steveaustin2686 air burst with some chalk packed into the "civilian" rounds so that when it bursts it makes a clearly visible blast that serves as a warning in case the first shot doesn't hit home. imagine air burst shells that also make a big puff of orange chalk to both help the crew on the ship identify where they hit and make a big warning sign to incoming pirates.

@steveaustin2686

4 ай бұрын

@@dominuslogik484 Definitely.

I remember looking up old Gun-Mortar systems which have the advance of being breach loaded and also have the ability to become automatic/self loading from 4-5 clips of 52-60mm mortars. I wonder how destructive a dual 60mm gun-mortar would be, basically 50% less explosive, But firing like 8 to 12 of them in rapid succession like Russian 30mm grenade launcher would be crazy. Tbh maybe just a 60mm grenade launcher would be lit too.

Hi Matsimus, I have been thinking that given you have just done an excellent overview of the NEMO Mortar Turret System, it would be great if you could do an overview of the Rheinmetall Skyranger Anti-Aircraft System Turret. It’s just a thought, Cheers!

The fact that it moves and shoots 👀

I went so long not hearing about NEMO that I thought Patria had canned the thing so I was really surprised when I was that new advert from them and suddenly people talking about it

this system is perfect for the in development Indonesian Antasena-class Tank boat, having an acurate drive by mortar that could harass a coastal foot hold is gonna be really useful in a archapelagic area

@dominuslogik484

4 ай бұрын

Tank boat? is that like the old armored patrol gun boats the soviets used to use during WW2? obviously with modern instruments.

@luthfihar3211

4 ай бұрын

@@dominuslogik484 yes it really is very similar to those old ww2 soviet gunboat with the T-34 turret and katyusha, but the design is more akin to a small armored coastal defence/landing boat with a tank/IFV turret and actually capable of rolling onto the beach like a landing craft

Now I want to see old school battle ship that has 4 x 3 120mm nemo mortars :D

I didn't think water mounted mortars would be a big assets for force protection - until the RHIBs came in view! Lol! Worst nightmare for any light vessels.

Considering how much you liked the fire on the move capability you might like the RCH155

Hello Mat, the nemo is impressive. I am not a military person, consequently I do not see the real value compared to a low cost regular mortar, except for situations of high movement.

@tomofasia

Ай бұрын

Accuracy, mobility, safety, comfort and fireing system that can link to multiple nemos and drones at the same time… Just the ability to come into fireing range with target coordinates preset, shoot a fast burst that all hit the target at the same time and the run away is a crazy ability. So in a short comparison: Cons of normal mortar system: 1) very skill oriented and multiple soldiers needed to operate the mortar so one kamikaze drone or shrapnel can wound 3-4 soldiers at once even if not a direct hit. 2) Just aiming takes much longer time and on a soft ground might need re-aiming after every shot. 3) verifying if you hit what you wanted takes a long time and re-adjusting is just as slow. 4) can’t shoot on the move. 5) no cover from enemy counter barrage. Cons of NEMO: 1) Price

@weije093

Ай бұрын

Thanks @@tomofasia for the answer! Appreciate it. When looking at the situation in Ukraine I wonder, are soldiers in trenches (with mortars) more exposed than in IFV's? (Or are they less exposed due to lack of precision to russian artillery?). I didn't know of the slow aiming of manual mortars. Are they less precise as well? Interesting remark of the soft ground. Originally, I am a forestry engineer. Have seen many military in the forests. It was always a surprise for soldiers, our equipment did not get stuck. I mean, Hagglund did build the BVS for a reason. That would actually be an nice platform for the Nemo... Thanks!

Could this mortar system be added to the ac130 in lieu of the 105mm?

As cool as the NEMO is, I'm still gonna be fanboing the CV90-based Mjolnir system.

You can have it in small boat or few in a semi and they work the same as from AMV, you don't have to lay them down on the ground. So any civilian truck or tracktor that can haul it can do so and use it in the move.

Finally getting it

Pretty much a perfect mortar system.

One could also note that you can mount the box version to basic ass civilian change bed truck and just drive trough logging roads and main highways 10km from front line and dropping off mortar fire before driving off to resupply if you run out the military supply trucks. You might be able to disguise them as basic civilian containers as well, plus load them on train, though that would be bit too predictable target. Put dozens into a "fast" small cargo ship on the deck. Sail near enemy harbour or such, unload everything and get hell out of dodge, with subs and surface ships dealing any pursuing ships and air treats. Not sure how hague would react to this, but its possibility to get a edge.

So way is this better than the BAE CV90 ( mjolner)120mm mortar or the Hagglunds 120mm AMOS system?

😂 " we did it again sir....5° incline slope, 85° elevation..."

The connex container unit I presume would be ideal for a FOB or forward operating base.

@_Matsimus_

4 ай бұрын

As mentioned 😉

@SonsOfLorgar

4 ай бұрын

At least when paired with a short-mid range AA/AD system.

Looks very interesting but the real question is where did you get the dreadful Muzak at the start ? Is it a type of audio warfare 😄

There's also potential for submarine warfare in shallow waters. The nemo could be used to launch depth charges in timed patters to hunt submarines. The platform could also be utilized is peace time marine rescue operations by launching flare ammunition to illuminate large areas of the sea. It's a very versatile platform.

As I recall, "NEMO" is Latin for NO NAME. You may a youth book with a mysterious Captain Nemo.

So my first question is why the US doesn't have this in service.

@xxxlonewolf49

4 ай бұрын

Money. It's not Better enough when you factor in the system, the training & maintaining the system.

@donharrus9994

4 ай бұрын

Just what I was thinking...deliver more mortars down range quickly

@wastedangelematis

4 ай бұрын

​@@donharrus9994does that make them..... " M o a r tars " ?!?! 😅😊😂

@ghansu

4 ай бұрын

How many not US made systems are in use there? Have to support their own military industry even when there would be better options around. More cost effective in a long run while Patria would gladly sell license to build those there like they do with other countries.

@dominuslogik484

4 ай бұрын

@@ghansu parts compatibility is non existent, the US would need to build an entirely new logistical train for the system. if anything the US might put them on patrol boats if congress says the navy/coast guard needs patrol boats with mortars on them but usually a 76mm or 127mm cannon is already there to do the same job.

Love the intro music

Question: Why not have a carousel type magazine system for rapid reload? Will it take up too much space or its unnecessary?

@duhni4551

2 ай бұрын

Unreliable compared and with semi auto it is faster to switch between types of ammos. It was tested with fully auto in development phase.

This might be the future, Modular turrets being put everywhere, into vehicles...

I find it funny that the shooting at 6:00 is done by video editing. Those smoke/explosions are green screen effects. But it is a old video after all, maybe made very early in the production