Update: The authors of this study have reviewed the original data to account for the possibility of the birds being able to see the hidden tokens in some trials. They found that this this did not change the results and have published an Addendum here: www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-16469-1

@murmandamus5137

4 жыл бұрын

That was the thing I was about to say. You can always see the token in their hands.

@renaearmer4242

4 жыл бұрын

nature video in one of the experiment the girl is wearing glasses that the bird can see what she’s picking out. The glasses are mirror like.

@sassygirl9385

4 жыл бұрын

renae armer yeaaaa but that’s why they updated the result in that link provided. They also had control experiments but still the findings for their original article or this video was found to be correct.

@KyleDB150

4 жыл бұрын

don't you think they chose the jar with the higher proportion of black tokens because it looked blacker?

@willjennings7191

4 жыл бұрын

You have to obscure tokens in the jar, and show the jars being loaded.

They're so smart they even opened a furniture chain in Sweden.

@ValeriePallaoro

4 жыл бұрын

funny!

@betweenthepoles

4 жыл бұрын

🤣😂 But there hasn’t been another animal yet that can crack jokes 😜

@Ansonidak

4 жыл бұрын

And it was all done by 1kea.

@no-handit-bandit

4 жыл бұрын

And then they put you through a set of difficult tasks by having to build and put together things to get the product you want, just like what they're doing here!

@michelleravenshade7509

4 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂 ikea

But can they pick my lottery numbers?

@perceivingacting

4 жыл бұрын

or learn to do my taxes. I would even pay them some treats to do that. According to these researchers they could in principle!

@steefant

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, with a certain probability.

@ithehuman007

4 жыл бұрын

Pick 4 18 15 16 23 42

@eurielrabano5732

4 жыл бұрын

Dang we are turning parrots into hard workers...robots wont replace us...parrots will

@Ansonidak

4 жыл бұрын

They can probably do as good a job as you do :)

On the next video: "Meet the kea who can analyze normal distributions and find the Z-score"

@raulmuzikman

4 жыл бұрын

By the next episode: meet the Kea that can make a choice based on bayesian probabilities

@saltypork101

4 жыл бұрын

@@raulmuzikman You could probably teach them the practicals of game theory.

@myotiswii

4 жыл бұрын

No that would be impossible because it is random and just made up by our teachers to confuse the crap out of everyone

@microdesigns2000

3 жыл бұрын

An upcoming video: Meet the kea who is an X-box legend.

@space_dus7

3 жыл бұрын

Maximum likelihood estimation of hypergeometric distribution without paper & pencil

Parrot 1: "I think the answer is 42... What do you think?" Parrot 2: "Probably."

@HaloNeInTheDark27

4 жыл бұрын

@Anirban Chakrabarti do you....approach your parrot with romantic intentions?

@datbanan2717

4 жыл бұрын

@Anirban Chakrabarti get drunk again so you can comment shit on youtube more

@fluffypuff766

4 жыл бұрын

I see... The answer to life.. Now the question is: what is the question to life?

*Kea jumps on my shoulder* "I am now a pirate. You may address me as matey."

@obsidironpumicia4074

4 жыл бұрын

"Arrr, would this chest have more treasure, or would the other... whaddye think, Kea?" *"Awwwww!"* "Aye, probability is unknown until we actually open it, resulting in a Schrodinger's Parrot situation."

@hyperion3145

4 жыл бұрын

Plot twist: The parrot is actually the pirate

@saintdolanchirosius3704

4 жыл бұрын

"Look at me, I am the captain now."

@kirbybie

4 жыл бұрын

pronouns are cap’n/leader of the high seas

@ernestinadominguez7551

4 жыл бұрын

Argh matey! 🏴‍☠️

I wish _I_ understood probabilities

@Gooberpatrol66

4 жыл бұрын

Damn you Bayes

@Shock_Treatment

4 жыл бұрын

Here's one. There's a 100% chance you'll die.

@SteveVi0lence

4 жыл бұрын

@@Shock_Treatment not necessarily. Depending on which country you're in, you could be considered brain dead in one country but not an another. Also, you have to define what is dead. No heart beat? Some people have artificial hearts and thus no heart beat.

@MisterK9739

4 жыл бұрын

SteveVi0lence All of your clever rambling doesn't change the fact that everybody is 100% going to die

@MisterK9739

4 жыл бұрын

@bad1dobby there are always errors to probabilities. and this is an error so small that it´s negligeable

The parrots that understand probabilities. Wall Street is listening.

@dushk0

4 жыл бұрын

location

@m33p0

4 жыл бұрын

casinos are watching

@Celevie

4 жыл бұрын

i live on wall street in NY and know nothing about probability.

@roxyshow123

4 жыл бұрын

@@Celevie Can I assume you're not a parrot?

@saltypork101

4 жыл бұрын

@@Celevie I bet you know that "flipping a coin is fair". That's something you know about probability.

When parrots are smarter than half of your group mates.

@ExecutionerDan

4 жыл бұрын

I would absolutely not be surprised if these parrots scored higher than at least one of my ex-classmates on the mensa Norway IQ test. I swear it baffles me how stupid the human can be.

@ExecutionerDan

4 жыл бұрын

For example, one girl in my robotics class was talking about a project due soon, and I asked her how long her podcast was and I shit you not, she said 3 minutes and 76 seconds, and when I asked if she was positive she didn't make a mistake, she was perplexed I would ask such a thing. She also didn't know the difference between love and lust when a friend asked her. I also had another peer who didnt know what a legal guardian was, and this was all in the magnet program classes. My teachers called the non-magnet side of school, the residential side, and I couldnt agree more.

@OriginalPuro

4 жыл бұрын

@@ExecutionerDan The Mensa test is standardized, which country you take the test in is irrelevant. Albert Einstein failed the entry exam for college in Zurich, yet he is considered one of the smartest people to ever live. You can be less smart at some things while still being extremely smart at other things, for instance Christopher Langan which is the smartest man in US with an IQ between 195 and 210 has made several conspiracy theories about white supremacy, 9/11 and even made racist statements, he is smart as fuck in some areas but dumb as hell in other areas. I have to point out that you can remove half the commas in your comment and it would read much better, so we all have our flaws.:) For example one girl in my robotics class was talking about a project due soon so I asked her how long her podcast was and I shit you not, she said 3 minutes and 76 seconds and when I asked if she was positive she didn't make a mistake she was perplexed I would ask such a thing. Again, we all have our flaws so don't judge people based on the small picture but rather the entirety. " I swear it baffles me how stupid the human can be." I swear, it baffles me how stupid humans can be.* I am baffled that you are baffled by something which has been known since the beginning of human history, that we consist of some smart people and many less smart people. It wasn't the majority that invented the wheel or the bicycle, the majority isn't smart enough. Over half of human kind thinks fantasy figures like "gods" exist, some people claim humans walked the earth with dinosaurs around 5000 years ago, many people claim the Earth is flat and we have people who seriously claim they can change gender, as if chromosomes can be altered. Jeg kan fortsette, men jeg satser på at du forstår poenget.:P

@ExecutionerDan

4 жыл бұрын

@@OriginalPuro its understandable in retrospect that I use many commas, but I sont care to proofread my comments. Also, my autocorrect sucks nut so I wouldn't be surprised if at least one or two of my typos were due to that. I know that it wasn't the majority that invented the wheel, but at some point the rampant stupidity that my highschool excels at blasting me with should just be considered a human rights violation of some kind. I hope I didnt accidentally claim I was smart in my past comment either, because only my friends understand how dense I can be sometimes. It was just so aggravating to see that quote unquote common sense isnt so damn common, and it's so draining. I mean, it's safe to say you've dealt with someone so legitimately in the sense retarded that you couldnt help but want to seriously just up and leave since almost everyone has at least one moment like that. Now imagine every other day having to be like that with teachers force feeding you politics that are antithetical to your own beliefs while you cant argue with how wrong they are without looking like an asshole. Tl;dr highschool fucking sucked and even though I'm not smart in any definition of the word, having to deal with people's shit was so fucking aids.

@ExecutionerDan

4 жыл бұрын

@@OriginalPuro really the only reason I may not look mentally deficient is because I know how to use big boy words in a way that I judge to not look forced.

Cool, yet not surprised at all, because parrots in general seem amazingly smart. Last year when discussing by email with two co-authors of a paper on the linguistic abilities of grey parrots (one of which is an old friend of mine), I asked if these animals ever asked questions, because I know that great apes (other than us) do not, and the answer was a very clear "yes", even if they had not pondered about that before: that the mascot of the other co-author (the one I did not know before this conversation) actually asked questions with a clear intentionality of getting an answer and not at all copying human behavior only. Questions like "where is papa?", clearly indicating both a sufficient grasp of English and the ability to formulate open questions without ever before hearing them. Fascinating animals indeed.

@stargazingskeleton5917

4 жыл бұрын

That is amazing!

@Oscar4u69

4 жыл бұрын

you just blew my mind 🤯🤯🤯 I knew they were pretty smart, but not to that level, wow, birds are always surprising me

@sofialaya596

4 жыл бұрын

even dogs are more intelligent than we think. look up the experiment someone made letting a dog talk by using buttons. they can understand concepts and make sentenses on their own, like "karina" "danger" "outside", or "go" "outside" "park". you can know what they want

@LuisAldamiz

4 жыл бұрын

@@sofialaya596 - Maybe, I am not familiar with that experiment, but AFAIK dogs are not outstandingly intelligent: many dolphins, many primates and some birds (parrots and crows notably), as well as elephants are the animals with the most notorious intelligences. In the case of primate and birds it may be partly because our neurones are smaller (primates' smaller than other mammals, birds' smaller than all mammals, including primates) and that allows to pack more brainpower in smaller casings apparently. But unsure why dolphins are so smart.

@sofialaya596

4 жыл бұрын

@@LuisAldamiz of course, I just think people often underestimate animals

That is so cool. I wonder how crows and ravens would perform in these experiments. Because they're also very intelligent.

@Thisispatrickwood

4 жыл бұрын

X Gen That would be super cool!

@X-Gen-001

4 жыл бұрын

@@Thisispatrickwood Thanks bro. I love how crows can anticipate what they have to do when they're feeding on roadkill and they see a car coming at 110 km/hr. They don't freak out, they just calmly hop of the road until my car passes them and then they hop back over to continue their roadkill meal. Stupid birds like Galahs for example lol I hit them regularly. Because they panic and can't seem to process what's going on and so they try to outmaneuver the vehicle and just end up becoming a hood ornament for the day.

@Thisispatrickwood

4 жыл бұрын

X Gen yeah, they’re super cool, there was another study not too long ago that shows crows (plus a couple of other birds they observed like sparrows and blackbirds) actually learn the speed limit of different roads by watching the average speed of cars so they can know how much time they need to safely get out of the way. www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/8/130821-birds-road-speed-limit-traffic-evolution-animals/

@X-Gen-001

4 жыл бұрын

@@Thisispatrickwood Hah Amazing. Yeah I wondered about that. Natural selection at work. Very interesting thanks for the link.

@Herbert2892

4 жыл бұрын

@@Thisispatrickwood I know they're animals, but this seems pretty obvious even for them. They don't know the cars are at "80km/h" but if this car is 500m away it's easy to SEE that you can fly for a while without being hited if you're a bird.

I wonder if it's fun being a bird.

@C4H10N4O2

4 жыл бұрын

Well, they fly.

@LuisAldamiz

4 жыл бұрын

Sure, why would it not?

@InzemamZahidi911

4 жыл бұрын

Yes , because your movement is not restricted to only 2D surface but a new 3rd dimension is open for you to explore upon will.

@ithehuman007

4 жыл бұрын

Did u watch spies in disguise

@MrAlRats

4 жыл бұрын

Ability to make predictions based on estimating probabilities does not indicate a sense of self. There's no reason to think birds are capable of having fun.

my geography teacher said that animals cannot think but are only guided by their instincts. I don't think that's true

@sourpuss5951

4 жыл бұрын

The existence of service dogs should be enough to disprove that teacher lol. 😂 Why is a geography teacher trying to make claims about zoology?

@brianisme6498

4 жыл бұрын

Sour Puss because obvious geography teachers know everything there to do with animals

@mertboy94

4 жыл бұрын

he probably learned that from his teacher. Its an old way of thinking. Back then they thought only humans could solve problems and actually think about it. These days we know that there are alot of smart animals.

@brianisme6498

4 жыл бұрын

James Smith and they thought animals had no emotions, which is why it was considered okay to do experiments that nowadays would be considered unethical or just disgusting. Like the experiment Pavlov did where he ripped open a dogs esophagus and neck so when the dogs swallowed it would just fall out. He wanted to know how much saliva a dog could produce.

@broddr

4 жыл бұрын

Last I checked, humans are also animals. Why would anyone expect any more than a difference in degree?

1:25 You can see the black token through her fingers. At 3:12, you can see the orange token in the left hand. 3:54 black token can be seen in right hand. Birds are definitely, intelligent, no doubt! Smaller tokens needed for their tiny hands.

Tfw KZread finally understands what I need in my recommended feed.

@SupaDanteX

4 жыл бұрын

You mean, your bird feed? :D

God I'm so jealous. Working with these birds must be a fantastic experience

The real question is - can these be trained to solve my math homework?

@TwinShards

4 жыл бұрын

Tbh, even though you said that on a joke lol. If they are smart enough (also other kind of birds like Crow/Raven and Blue Jay) I believe this would be possible to literally make them learn math. Even if it would be small number, i'm sure this could work. Let's say there would be a box filled with stick and another empty box, you would show them a sign that write " 1 " then " 2 " and so on and they must move the right amount of stick into the empty box to a treat. Then show them " 1+1 " " 2+2 " and so on. also try with let's say " 2 - 1 " and else. And if they could succeed with a little bit of training then it would show how smart they can be and retry the experiment with the same bird a few months later to see if he remember.

@Scarletraven87

4 жыл бұрын

They can. But you're not worth it.

@sanjeevdandin9350

4 жыл бұрын

@@Scarletraven87 Damn iamma steal kea and make it write my 4times failed "Probability and statistics" exam!

@coolcool9634

4 жыл бұрын

no because they do not understand human notation.

@kimjunguny

4 жыл бұрын

No, what theyre doing isnt math. its barely probability. It may just be that these birds learned black = food so when they see more black they get more food... Not probably they will get more food, they will literally just get more food.

They need to do these experiments in a better way. I can see the color of the thing through her fingers...

@MisterK9739

4 жыл бұрын

Ali Devrim OGUZ Yeah I'm sure you as a random keyboard warrior know better than an actual doctor in her field... smh

@brianisme6498

4 жыл бұрын

Epic Terry I think your overestimating yourself, I’d trust an actual professional in her field rather then some rando on the internet.

@rosiefay7283

4 жыл бұрын

@@MisterK9739 So what's your refutation -- or did you post that just to be rude to Ali? If even the camera can see a bit of the token, then perhaps the kea can, and that possibility needs to be controlled for. You don't need to be an expert in the field to see that.

@thecurrentmoment

4 жыл бұрын

Mister K. not a doctor yet, I think... needs to submit her thesis, argue her thesis, etc. At least, I assume it is work in progress, I could be wrong

@achanwahn

4 жыл бұрын

@@MisterK9739 Even I noticed it. & not all doctors are savvy. A lot of case studies are flawed & have been thrown out over decades. Science is constantly evolving.

Kias are so intelligent, they'll have your budgie as their pet.

@eleSDSU

4 жыл бұрын

I don't see why Korean cars would have pets.

@mattrogers5188

4 жыл бұрын

They'll have you as their pet.

Correction: At 00:51 the word Auckland is misspelled. Apologies for this error.

@offmeds2nite

4 жыл бұрын

Link to article is broken

@nagaharishgiri

4 жыл бұрын

Our Indians might know about parrots intelligence and probability quite long back. Because the traditional people used to believe the predictions based on cards chosen by parrots. Happy to know about this kind of research.

@frey4343

4 жыл бұрын

@@offmeds2nite yup

@ForTomorrowToday

4 жыл бұрын

Auckay no problem

@ForTomorrowToday

4 жыл бұрын

@@nagaharishgiri en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parrot_astrology

Just the fact that this bird submits to your testing, in the way that it does, is amazing. I am impressed.

"And even which hand it can be picked..." Yeah, it can see through your poorly closed fingers.

@user-wd8wx5md5z

4 жыл бұрын

hahaha interesting. Maybe it could be. The researchers should exaxmine this possibility when designing the experiment,

@Roadmappingtofi

4 жыл бұрын

I was wondering was anyone gonna mention that 😄

Failure in experiment as the token easily visible from the splits of fingers.

@blighthornsteelmace820

4 жыл бұрын

yes, I also noticed that many times in this video.

@Xizile93

4 жыл бұрын

Since the birds also go for the hand with the higher probability of black even if both experimenters have a black token (or the higher probability one has an orange one), it looks like they don't see that.

@blighthornsteelmace820

4 жыл бұрын

@@Xizile93 Your statement is logically incorrect. The implication is not true. I do not deny that the bird did not choose on the basis of more elements, but even if he did it, it does not follow that he did not see what was in the hand. The experiment is therefore invalid. When drawing conclusions from animal behavior, one must be very careful in experiments. It's easy to make mistakes. We remember the horse called Hans from 1910.

@schluebenschlaucher1130

4 жыл бұрын

While you are not Incorrect about this, I have to say that this is the case in only two shots (out of many) I have seen in the video.

@SocksWithSandals

4 жыл бұрын

@@schluebenschlaucher1130 One can extrapolate that in most tests, the parrot could see the peg.

They are so smart they know that the “smart researcher” isn’t gonna hold the god dam black stick the right way so he can see it in her hand every time 😂

@utrak

4 жыл бұрын

hire a researcher with fat fingers dammit

@matiastoro1667

4 жыл бұрын

Right. That girl often leaves a gap between her fingers where the bird can see. 0:25, 1:25, 3:13, 3:54. They should have tested her first, or use smaller tokens.

In the future, it's not gonna be the robots that take over.. It's gonna be the BIRDS

Even the common budgie is amazingly intelligent.

@utrak

4 жыл бұрын

certainly smarter than my ex wife

@angel2000317

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, it's so true! I've had 4, and 2 of them have talked. The first who talked learned the name of one of the family dogs (and her bark). When the dog came over to the bird cage, the bird jumped on the front and said the dog's name. He even started making the sound of a cockatiel we took care of for a few months and then saying that bird's name. One of mine that didn't talk learned the sound of my alarm clock. If I took a nap, she would come to the side of her cage closest to me and make the alarm clock sound. My current one is the most incredible talker and also interacts in such interesting and fun ways. He will combine words to create new ones! For example, he learned "sweetheart," and for fun I started calling him "babyheart." He has since said "birdheart" and "sleepyheart" (I'd said "bird" and "sleepy" but never combined them in the way he did). He made up the word "birngel" out of "bird" and "angel" (again not something I had ever said). His favorite now seems to be a combination of "silly Billy" and "sweetheart," so he says "Billyheart" or "Billytheart." The more his family laughs at something he says or does, the more he will do it. And he absolutely has a sense of humor. They are adorable little creatures!

@apatheticAnxiety

4 жыл бұрын

Mine drowned in its half inch deep water container. Its companion just watched it die and did nothing to help.

@Ansonidak

4 жыл бұрын

@@apatheticAnxiety Incredible.

@darrenrobinson9041

4 жыл бұрын

@@apatheticAnxiety - Though to be fair, their marriage had been in trouble for some time.

Those women's hands were too small to enclose the clothes pegs. I could clearly see the peg between their fingers. No doubt the parrots could too.

@MrCmon113

4 жыл бұрын

I wonder whether they tested for that in their paper. I like probability, so I guess I'll read it.

@bulldog370a

4 жыл бұрын

3:53

@sjuttt320

4 жыл бұрын

I had noticed this as well. I thought the probability of somebody else noticing this fairly high so I searched the comments for a comment such as yours and now i'm replying, yet I get no treat.

@rocmage1366

4 жыл бұрын

I agree, in every singe case shown, I can see the color of the token.

Seems really interesting, but would be nice to see some actual numbers and more about the test setting, which seemed to have some problems experiment-wise. Hope someone from this research team or someone else tests the reproducibility in the future, looking forward to seeing more data on this.

@albertmarti2718

4 жыл бұрын

Ahhh, here's the comment i was looking for^^

@ValeriePallaoro

4 жыл бұрын

You're seeing a youtube video of the results. Surely you can see that the peer reviewed stuff gets published elsewhere. With all that means.

I would be disappointed if they didn't name one of them "Albird Einstein".

They're so smart they even set up a Korean car brand

We loved seeing the Kea in the wild during our trip to NZ. We were told not to feed them as they are very aggressive. We had fun just looking and the interaction.

@Longtack55

Жыл бұрын

Kaka are of similar appearance, and much bolder when there's human food about. Kea tend to be more cautious, in my experience. They should not be fed "our" food.

1:25 you can literally see the token through the hand...

I love parrots, and keas are one of my favorites! They are so interesting and smart I love learning about them!

These birds also love to steal things from you. One time a kea stole my iron anvil. Somehow it flew away with it! Then later it came back to steal my ☼apple wood wheelbarrow☼, Oh I was sooo mad.

@Freezo90967

4 жыл бұрын

bro they steal all my rum

@Eidako

4 жыл бұрын

i.imgur.com/8kQsKr9.jpg

@Freezo90967

4 жыл бұрын

@@Eidako pretty funny hehe..

@metalmicky

4 жыл бұрын

They are also very good at taking external bits from cars as well.

@xx-bg2dj

4 жыл бұрын

A real pain when one distracts you and gets you out of the car, and the others drive off with it.

Such an amazing video! Thank you for sharing this research. The parrots are gorgeous! ❤

I LIKE NATURE.

@marsshellTV

4 жыл бұрын

I LOVE it

Congrats to the team! Having worked with Amalia before, I realise how deep their research runs. Great research like theirs is fundamental in understanding the evolution of our own intellect!

@Kayenne54

4 жыл бұрын

So, what you are saying, is that humans too can aspire to being as intelligent as parrots? If only....

@tiltil9442

4 жыл бұрын

@Kraptonite millions of years ago

@tiltil9442

4 жыл бұрын

@Kraptonite that joke was quite the high-flyer, wasn't it?

@dflood13

2 жыл бұрын

Amalia seems like an awesome human

Magnificent creatures ! As are all imo.

Lovvveee this!!! I have been very curious about how to learn more about animal intelligence. Keep researching!

Im a volunteer worker at Willowbank (where the keas in this video are in), and I can tell you that the kea we have there are a lot of fun, each time you go there, they always come to you and check out what you have. Inquisitive, cheeky and clever birds

And here's me struggling to understand probability since last 8 years

So if someone calls me birdbrain that means Im smarter than they expected, right?

She meant to say, ‘even out performing some people at certain tasks’. ‘Monkeys’ was a nice euphemism though.

You both have an amazing job working with incredible birds❤😊

And here my bird is smashing his head against the table

They might also have seen the token through the fingers as I saw a few times during the video.

Thanks for this video! I didn't know they are so smart, I love them now!

Dr. Pepperberg & Alex RIP would be proud. A great study/ experiment. Wishing you success in the studies. Much thanks 🙂🙏

The nature link to the paper doesn't seem to be working.

When humans go, they will evolve into hyper intelligent bird people

Excellent research, excellent video

Lovely looking bird. And a nice parrot too.

I saw Solomon 404 ski bindings on the skis. I had them on the first used pair of skis I bought. 1975!

"i cant wait to see what Keas do next" .... meanwhile on her Parkinglot .... xD

That is very interesting I really wanted that video to show more

That was super awesome thanks!

Bow down to your avian overlords!

Researchers asked a Kea: "When do you think you will inevitable go extinct?"

@utrak

4 жыл бұрын

Kea: *thousand yard stare*

Great lesson. Thank you.

These birds are so intelligent you can't believe. It's their innate intelligence and curiosity that's made them so adaptable. I'm from NZ originally and this is one bird I never had the opportunity to get close to regrettably. Interesting video, thanks!

@Longtack55

Жыл бұрын

Hi Gary. Best accessible places to see them naturally is the car parks on the Otira Gorge road, Routeburn track car park and most tramping tracks above the South Island bushline. No feeding.

@garynarborough

Жыл бұрын

@@Longtack55 Thanks David, If I can ever return to NZ I'm going to make a point of seeing them. At this stage I probably won't be returning sadly. I miss NZ a lot. In the UK on my own but with age and health issues I can't see it.

@Longtack55

Жыл бұрын

@@garynarborough I'm genuinely sorry to learn that Gary. The Great Apes and kea are the only animals able to assess "probability." I was watching a clip on a kea given several tasks and tools to strategise retrieval of a nut. It was edited so I wasn't able to determine the time-span but I concluded it had the intelligence of an eight year old. Unfathomable really.

Crows have been studied for years and have been proven to be very intelligent, so why not all birds?

@user-wd8wx5md5z

4 жыл бұрын

No, not all birds. It applies only to 2 bird families: First is corvids (crows, ravens, jays, magpies, etc) and the 2nd is parrots (pistacidae)

Do they also care for their members? One of them clearly had a very damaged/ missing beak, but these are captive.

@Reminiscable

4 жыл бұрын

Whales have a higher emotional intelligence than humans. I believe cats and ravens have the same emotional intelligence as humans, and a fraction of humans have lower emotional intelligence than parrots and pigs. And 1% of humans have no emotional intelligence.

@Techie1224

4 жыл бұрын

Cats ?? No thats not true the cat only think in foooood 😂

@MrCmon113

4 жыл бұрын

@@Reminiscable All animals have the same ammount of "emotional intelligence" : none. It's a pseudo-scientific concept.

@Reminiscable

4 жыл бұрын

​@@MrCmon113Worms and humans are both animals. Psychology, ethology, and neurology all use the scientific method to collect data. Even if you consider free will and empathy to be pseudo-scientific concepts, we measure them quantitatively through perceptual control theory. Studying animal neural networks is science because it is an extension of biology, specifically neurology. Science studies emotions and mental states, yet an organism's ability to understand 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙧𝙚𝙡𝙖𝙩𝙚 to another organism's emotions & mental states is called empathy. Do you consider free will and human psychology to be pseudoscience? And yet, humans are able to relate to each other by proxy of their own emotional experiences. Empathy is a trait which has been researched through the scientific method with peer review, and whales (e.g. humpback whales) display this trait more proficiently than humans. Psychopathy is the inability to relate to others' emotions, because a mathematical comprehension of emotions is distinct from being able to relate to emotions from experience! The ability to empathize is a scientific measurement, and test subjects who excel at empathy have a higher emotional intelligence than test subjects with an inability to display empathy in social scenarios. Worms and psychopaths cannot relate to most combinations of emotional and mental states, either due to lack of experience or lack of emotional intelligence. Cows display the same maternal bonds as humans, which infers that cows have the same ability to empathize as human mothers. Cats and ravens display the same social deduction skills as humans, which infers they have comparable emotional intelligence (on average). Humpback whales and dolphins go out of their way to protect prey, which proves they have higher emotional intelligence than humans who cannot empathize with prey. So on a scientific basis weighted on empathy, worms have lower intelligence than cows and humans, who have inferior intelligence to humpback whales. Of course, intelligence can also be measured through mirror tests, turing tests, puzzles, and other tests which measure cognitive ability. Academia has a rudimentary understanding of neural networks, so for the sake of being able to communicate, scientists must correlate mathematical models to poorly defined concepts like free will.

I was hoping this would be about them understanding dice and understanding a concept like gambling/RNG.

They are just great. Cheeky looking little birds

The simplest (!) explanation is the birds _can see_ which jar "affords" or offers more tasty food events, _based on optical information_ (about "affordances", as "specified" by the relative area of blackness perhaps, plus reward outcomes). In Exp 1 at 1:30, it is _perceptually obvious_ - it can be _seen_ - that there is "likely" to be more black ones in the right hand jar which has the higher proportion (visible area of blackness)! It doesn't matter about them having in fact the same number - irrelevant. If it looks like it has more, it probably does, and animals can see and act on that. They don't count them out! They look and see on the basis of optical structure. From an ecological or affordance perspective, the RH jar affords more black tokens and is seen as such. Indeed, the action results in consequences that _confirm_ the affordance - food appears! Affordances are relational as well as facts of the world. So this is obvious but the explanation you give is the "little scientist in the head" theory of intelligence - that if birds are to be "intelligent like us", they must be doing something like calculating probabilities. Nonsense! We too are not calculating numerical quantities when we see and choose a bigger loaf of bread. That is the cognitive fallacy - it's all representations in the head. James Gibson showed us that action is largely an information-based _perceptual_ process, not an internal representation-based cognitive one. The birds see that the jar _affords_ certain actions, like offering more tokens that lead to treats, because it looks that way! They _see_ it. They perceive it. They have learned (through standard operant learning protocols etc) that choosing the one with the larger optical area of black stuff (let's say) literally MEANS more tasty treats are coming my way. The _meaning is directly perceived_ - this is not a cognitive process. Meaning is in the ecosystem, not the head. The perception-action approach, aka direct perception or ecological approach to perception has yet to sink in for the majority despite it being established 50 years ago and making huge differences in how psychology is done and thought about (eg, the "enactive/embodied approach" to human psych...and even robotics). The cognitive fallacy and its dualism of internal "mental" operations on "physical" and _meaningless_ inputs or sensations to create _meaningful_ "outputs" or behaviour is hard to overcome and this research promotes that. Meaning is everywhere, throughout the ecosystem, not just in the head/brain/nervous system. Same story for consciousness: everywhere. Read James Gibson's 1979 on what information really means for biological systems. This is an old debate - inference-based (indirect) perception (mechanistic, lifeless information) versus information-based (direct) perception (biological information). Research on direct perception and related "event perception" entirely changes the way we think about these phenomena. The world consists of events, not moments, and animals are all about making their way in the world, not about making representations inside their heads.

@perceivingacting

4 жыл бұрын

tl;dr? sorry!

Kia is intelligent but the whole time I was looking at Amalia.Truth

@darrens7040

4 жыл бұрын

Kia is a car these birds are KEA

@timc9372

4 жыл бұрын

@@darrens7040 no these birds are IKEA

@darrens7040

4 жыл бұрын

Tim c so did you grow up with these birds living in the bush behind where you lived like I did ?

@timc9372

4 жыл бұрын

@@darrens7040 i grew up with vultures

First the Kakapo, now the Kea. New Zealand, you continue to make me love you.

i saw one on holiday and we kept going back and forth making its bird squeak to each other. It was amazing. I love nature

if i can see the token in the researcher's hand so can the bird.

@AlPootis

3 жыл бұрын

But one time we couldn't.

Best job ever

Wow this is very surprising, wonderful discovery.

These bird are abnormally beautiful to me, I like birds in general and how they look but there is just something about these birds that is different in a good way. Wish I could see one in person but I doubt I'll ever get to.

All animals need to remember where to find food a basic life skill.

I wouldn't really say that it's statistics. Maybe good eye sight at best

@ValeriePallaoro

4 жыл бұрын

That's because you don't understand the way problem solving works, or how people communicate, and why it's interesting that keas can work in a similar way. *sigh*

I had a the parrot who loved to play with the wooden clothespin. It was his favorite toy.

I think there's a small step remaining between picking the thing that more closely resembles you want, and working out the probability that you'll get what you want. What happens if there's the same ratio of black to orange sticks in both jars, but one jar is larger than the other? Will they consistently pick the larger one because they see more of what they want, or will they also factor in the probability of getting what they don't want, and not show a consistent pattern for those jars due to them giving equal odds?

So when a dog chooses a piece of meat the size of a plate (10 cm) and ignores the piece the size of a bottle top (2 cm), it is calculating a ratio of 2 : 10 (or 1 : 5) or a probability of 0.2...or a chance of 20% that the bigger one will be 5 X the fun of the smaller one because it is 5 times bigger than the smaller one...in its head? All without a ruler or tape measure! Amazing. Descartes has some explaining to do! Them thar dogs cleverer than Biden!

@hunterklugh5067

4 жыл бұрын

perceivingacting Interesting perception it might be much more simple and the dog is simply using it visual processing system to see which is bigger (more stimuli) than smaller (less stimuli) while it is a cognitive function it isn’t so much of a conscientious decision regarding specifics.

@perceivingacting

4 жыл бұрын

@@hunterklugh5067 Yes, you are right (I was being facetious). It is a much more "simple" matter of seeing where "more black" exists - "more stimuli" as you say (although it's more than just value-free physical "stimuli"). Anyway, of course the dog is not "calculating" probabilities...or anything. (Nor are we!). It sees (not thinks) what things in the environment afford certain actions. Look up "affordances", Gibson, ecological psychology...

This is the level of quality research thats going on these days? ...using sticks that the girls hands cannot completely cover allowing for the bird to see the color of the stick as they hold it... what a waste of time.. why not use smaller sticks that they can actually hide and redo all tests correctly.

They’re very beautiful birds and they have a very wise look to them, kind of like owls. What a neat experiment!

What I'm wondering now is if they can communicate their experiences and findings with the group. E.g. would a bird that wasnt shown one keeper has a preference for black tokens get the information from another bird and then prefer the keeper with a preference for black tokens?

Is interesting, but I have my doubts, because, the birds recibed they were trained, there is a lot of preference for one girl than the other

@GopnikTarass

4 жыл бұрын

like me but i don't have training x)

@Xizile93

4 жыл бұрын

In training, both the biased and unbiased always have a black token. So in training it wouldn't actually matter which one they choose. ("During the demonstrations, E1 and E2 took turns sampling, and E2 always tilted their heads back and looked up whilst sampling, whilst E1 lowered their heads close to the jar and looked into it as they made a choice, keeping their hands in the jar for 3 s. Both experimenters always sampled a rewarding token, so that they were equally reinforced."

@mikeguer7011

4 жыл бұрын

@@Xizile93 ok, is clearer, with your explanation, one question more, was You a scientist in this experiment?

I look forward to the day that someone invents a universal translator, we realize that all higher lifeforms are conscious to a level we find disturbing, but we continue to eat meat albeit with just a little more guilt... :)

@darrenrobinson9041

4 жыл бұрын

In the near future, I will display an appropriate amount of guilt while wolfing down my dolphin burger.

I can slightly see the tokens in between her pointer and middle finger. Still smart beautiful birds!

These birds are also super cheeky, and will chew bits off of your car. I've seen these exact birds a few years ago, I remeber the one with a damaged beak.

Well, it sees what's between your fingers, just saying

@fburton8

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, you can see the black peg in the closed fist quite clearly in several shots. If that's possible for someone watching the video, the birds will certainly be capable of doing the same.

@perceivingacting

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, that too! Rather sloppy methodology at least for this demo for cameras! Their eyes are about 100 X better than ours at fine detail, like worms. The paper will have the details.

@simonhewitt208

4 жыл бұрын

i dunno know, if they always saw then they would’ve made a lot less mistakes right? maybe read the paper lol

@fburton8

4 жыл бұрын

@@simonhewitt208 Maybe they didn't always see? I had a quick look at the paper and appreciate a lot of thought went into the design of the experiment. It would be interesting to see if the result was replicated using e.g. coloured beads that are easier to conceal fully or even some kind of virtual peg that was computer generated.

I'm still a crow Person

@utrak

4 жыл бұрын

im a chicken man myself

@Vixey_Starr

4 жыл бұрын

All birds for me.

My yellow crested cockatoo also understands probabilities, and also figures out how to do easy puzzles, without showing her.

They are smart, intelligent and a treasured national icon of New Zealand 🇳🇿♥️

Just a problem : I don't have bird eyes but i almost can see everytime the token in the hands of the girls...

@JulieWallis1963

4 жыл бұрын

Tarass Balbout wow, good for you. 😑😑😑

@GopnikTarass

4 жыл бұрын

@@JulieWallis1963 yes, very good! but if you can't understand why it's a problem for this kind of experimentation it's bad for you! Et vu que tu t'essaye au français : Si t'as rien d’intéressant à dire, ferme la! Bisou!

@JohnCena8351

4 жыл бұрын

Maybe it was just an unfortunate camera angle. They train these birds for years now, this was just a 4 minute video, not really a good represantation of all the experiments.

@callysto_ii

4 жыл бұрын

Pas la peine de changer de langue pour insulter quelqu'un -_- De plus ces jeunes femmes sont des professionnelles, je doute fort qu'elles n'aient pas pris en compte cet aspect. Et j'ai beau avoir re regardé la vidéo plusieurs fois en pausant je n'ai pas vu une seule fois les épingles avant qu'elle ne soient révélées, je pense que tu as du voir l'ombre de la main et pensé que c'était l'épingle parce qu'elle aussi est noire, mais si tu regardes les mains qui tiennent les épingles oranges c'est la même chose.

@GopnikTarass

4 жыл бұрын

@@JohnCena8351 that's sure, but stupid things like that can happened... for years!

silly humans yet again assuming they're super special and unique

@silverschmid4591

4 жыл бұрын

Humans are so weird.

Everyone: talks about robots taking over the world. Keas: just you wait

Those birds are so smart. 🐦🐦💖

Wow, ... a bird that's smarter than most Millennials.

Kea's are omnivorous and love meat - they kill their own prey Avian dinosaurs ftw

@ChaosBW

4 жыл бұрын

Literally all birds are omnivorous. Name a vegan bird, you can't. Stupid comment.

@neomt2

4 жыл бұрын

@@ChaosBW I can easily name one: Hoatzin your lack of ornithology shows your comment is the stupid one

Adding ...Why is Human perception of "smartness" so unscientificly important to the Human species is that the only way respeat is given.? You fail to see the implications and complications of veiwing life in this way.

@shawnsg

4 жыл бұрын

It's not unscientifically important.

3:44 Slalom skis in New Zeeland? Reminds me of the UK Ski jumper Eddie the Eagle.

Such a beautiful and smart scientist! The parrots are cool 2👍🏻

Legend says they just learn Statistics and now studying Differential and Integral Calculus

After I watched a crow using a computer...it was at that point I understood how "The Birds" won!

But one of the experimenters that the video kept showing, also the one that the parrot seemed to choose the most, had a slight gap in her hold on the stick much of the time, where you could see black thru