Austria-Hungary's Parliament sounds like the chaos of the HRE but condensed into a single court, lmao

@conradojavier7547

5 ай бұрын

Austria is Expirencing Déjá Vù.

Like many Americans, all eight of my immigrant ancestors came to the United States from places that were once part of Austria-Hungary during the final decade of that country's existence. It's amazing how the history a nation so unique in its late (and often halfhearted) efforts to build a multicultural nation, and so critical to the history of two continents, is so poorly understood. I appreciate the videos you do about the collapse of Austria-Hungary; there's a severe deficit of English sources for that subject.

@FOLIPE

5 ай бұрын

Not many Americans have eight immigrant great grandparents, in fact that's a small minority.

@greatwolf5372

5 ай бұрын

​@FOLIPE This is correct. The vast majority of white Americans are of colonial British stock. The Ellis Island immigration story is extremely overrated. It only applies to a few percentage of Americans like OP. Or they might have 1 German great grandparent and identify as German American when all their other ancestors came during colonial times. Practically all black Americans also had their immigrant ancestors come during colonial times. Hispanic and Asian Americans are very recent arrivals. At least 1/3rd are immigrants and another 50% are children of immigrants. Very few have longer history before that time.

@alicia1463

5 ай бұрын

According to the National Park Service, "Today, it is believed that approximately 40 percent of America’s population can trace their ancestry through Ellis Island." It was a big deal. Most Americans probably aren't in a situation where all of their ancestors came through Ellis Island, but many have at least one or multiple who did. There are others (or sometimes the same people) who have great grandparents where were Germans who came over in the 1850s (before Germany existed). Pennsylvania famously has a large population of people who came from modern-day Germany, with towns named things like "King of Prussia". Large portions of the country used to be Mexico or Spanish colonies, and there are people who can trace their ancestry back to that time. 1/4 - 1/3 of Americans have majority British ancestry (I'm lumping the British Isles together because that was the data I could find. I'm sorry.) How much depends on where they live. If a person lives in the Southeast, then there are going to be more people with British ancestry than someone living in the Midwest. In the Midwest, there are more people with great grandparents who were Germans, Scandinavians, Poles, Hungarians, etc, especially Germans and Hungarians. Many people in Cleveland and Pittsburgh eat Kielbasa (Polish word for sausage) and nut rolls (from various central and eastern European countries) for Christmas.

@perfectallycromulent

5 ай бұрын

hardly anyone has all 8 great-grandparents from Austria-Hungary. you are also condensing the immigration period, people were coming from there to North America from the early 19th century onward. my great-grandfather got to NY from Croatia in 1890.

@dernochjungenoergler

5 ай бұрын

A 100 % descendant of people from Austria-Hungary here and still living on the territory, it was actually the very best period Central Eastern Europe could have ever experienced. Maybe not speaking for Austria itself, but for all of the rest without any doubt. Your ancestors left at the right moment... PS: sorry for my bad English

As a Czech I say some of our parties continue in this tradition of obstructions, two days ago an MP from the anti establishment SPD party talked for 11 hours trying to block the passing of correspondence vote...

@goldenfiberwheat238

5 ай бұрын

That’s just a standard philibuster. They do that in the us as well. That’s not anything like playing instruments

@screamingseal4805

5 ай бұрын

The virgin Austrian 11 hours vs the chad american 24 hours and 18 minutes

@goldenfiberwheat238

5 ай бұрын

@@screamingseal4805 I think I heard about that. That was Bernie wasn’t it?

@sarahluise3153

5 ай бұрын

@@goldenfiberwheat238 Storm Thurmond, the CEO of Segregationism

@sarahluise3153

5 ай бұрын

@@goldenfiberwheat238 Americans don't truly filibuster anymore, they just say "filibuster" and not do anything cuz Americans be lazy ig

Obstruction tactics are still very relevant tactics in Czech parliament, one of the opposition leader talked over 11 hours in one meeting just a week ago. There is also phrase that stuck from the Austrian parliament to this day : Every Czech, a musician (Co Čech, to muzikant), as the MP very using music to obstruct the meetings in Vienna.

@OscarOSullivan

5 ай бұрын

That is known as filibustering an American politician once filibustered for over 24 hours

@mynameisjeff869

17 сағат бұрын

to rčení je několik století staré, s Říšskou radou to nemá nic společného

Hearing about how the parliament used to work, makes me understand the quote of Franz Joseph, that his job was to protect the citizen from their politicians, slightly better.

You know, it's surprising how so few people talk about Austria-Hungary despite the fact it played a crucial role in history. If you haven't already, it would be interesting to see a follow-up video about the Hungarian parliament during this period.

@fullmetaltheorist

5 ай бұрын

I think it is because if the lack of power I had across the world. In Europe it was a great power but it didn't reach the levels of the British empire and the world ending power of Germany in both wars.

@MarkVrem

5 ай бұрын

Nah, it lost its place in the world. Austria I think was a great example, a leader during feudalism. Once feudalism ended, they are more like an old relic. Their plan was trying to stall for time it seems lol.

@perfectallycromulent

5 ай бұрын

nah, what's surprising is you think people aren't talking about it. learn German, they're talking about it now, and they will be forever. just because it's not happening in English, that doesn't mean it's not happening.

@boomerix

5 ай бұрын

@@perfectallycromulent You can't have a beer in Hungary without Austria-Hungary being mentioned at least once. xD The good, the bad, the mistakes, the what could have been, was it doomed or could it be saved > it always provides a lot of great topics for discussion.

Damn, Austrians once again were ahead of their time... BTW can we get more videos on Austria Hungary? It seems so fascinating!

@SirManateee

5 ай бұрын

In that regard, Austria was a bit behind on many other countries. The North German Federation for example had introduced equal suffrage in 1866 already. But yes my friend, there will be more about Austria-Hungary ;)

@andreascovano7742

5 ай бұрын

@@SirManateee I mean in the sense of parliamentarians acting like clowns

@SirManateee

5 ай бұрын

@@andreascovano7742 In that case you are absolutely right

@filiperosa7496

5 ай бұрын

I think they are in a way behind times, they reject nationalism not because they are progressive but because they are reactionary

@OscarOSullivan

5 ай бұрын

The Austro-Hungarian parliament has been brought back in the form of the house of commons since 2016

I am not that dude, but I gotta say, your flawless pronunciation of "Marchewka" took me by surprise.

@maciek_k.cichon

5 ай бұрын

Watching Manatee for while now I am sure, that he would more or less flawlessly (witch te accent) said every word at 14:30 onwards.

@dzejrid

5 ай бұрын

@@maciek_k.cichon I normally don't watch these kinds of videos, preferring to listen to them in the background, but your comment actually made me look at it. I'm so not sure, I know native speakers that struggle with it. I'll believe it, when I hear it.

@quuaaarrrk8056

5 ай бұрын

Manateee generally is very good at researching (or knowing?) the pronounciation of words he uses, which is very welcome.

For a college course of mine we did a role play game where we were historical members in the Austrian-Hungarian parliament and it’s really fascinating knowing the different perspectives of each group and how they all acted. It was also a great way to show the chaotic mess it was and how despite the promise of having a parliament where everyone had a voice it ended with the Kings council and advisors shutting parliament down so no one ended up winning which happened in the lead up to WW1. Also it’s extremely fascinating finding out how many people in this parliament ended up becoming leaders and major political leaders in not just post WW1 Balkan countries but also Cold War Balkan countries.

I remember a quote from a Great War video on Austria that has always stuck with me: something to the effect of “Why go to the theater, when parliament is free?” Now I know that quote had zero exaggeration lol Anyway, fantastic video

Did you come across any information on the parallel political system in Hungary? I’m asking for a friend.

@thorpeaaron1110

5 ай бұрын

Future collab in the works?

@SamAronow

5 ай бұрын

@@thorpeaaron1110 👑 🇵🇱

@thorpeaaron1110

5 ай бұрын

​@@SamAronowNice.

@SirManateee

5 ай бұрын

Do you mean the Hungarian politics during Austria-Hungary? Pieter Judson gives a good explanation to the relations between Austrian and Hungarian Politics in "The Habsburg Empire: A New History" Unfortunately, most books I read were in German :p

Your videos are incredible. You are the best one about these topics of the late XIX century in central Europe. Pleas keep uploading

@SirManateee

5 ай бұрын

I will ;D

@Wn9618

2 ай бұрын

Couldn’t agree more!!

As much as I hate to say this, if my only experience of parliamentarianism was a literal fanfare of political opponents, I may have developed anti democratic ideas. That being said I am not always at ease with the representatives of my country, just that I know that a dictatorship would be more inefficient. Great video, would play harmonica in the hemicycle again. The slowly turnning Manatee as a je ne sais quoi which is truly mesmerizing.

@SirManateee

5 ай бұрын

Interestingly enough, it didn't deter most people. The voter turnout in the next (and last) elections was just as high, namely 80%. And thanks a lot :D

@juwebles4352

5 ай бұрын

@@SirManateee Makes sense, there were literal canings on the floor of the early U.S. senate. I don't see why some musical shenanigans would put all the voters off

Babe wake up, Sir Manatee uploaded

Austria Hungary is a fascinating place, if I could go back in time before WW1, I would go to Austria-Hungary, as it was the first multicultural industrial nation and would be so fun to see checz, croats, hungarians, romanians, ucrainians and germans in vienna in some café.

It's a fine irony that century after its demise Austria-Hungary, despite its many flaws, compares very favorably with what came afterwards.

@christophmaier4397

5 ай бұрын

What a joke, a nation in the stranglehold of debilitated landowners in permanent threat of obstruction if no longer appeased. Austria-Hungary had no functional bureaucracy, no functional army and no meaningful economic development. It couldve been a great nation but it was utterly failed by its elite.

@TheLordboki

5 ай бұрын

The European Union is the spiritual successor of Austria-Hungary. You even have the Hungarian obstructionist element.

@hedgehog3180

5 ай бұрын

I mean eventually the EU came along and we finally figured out how to get along, well some of us did.

@easytiger6570

5 ай бұрын

When you're so dysfunctional, even the people you oppressed take pity on you

@TheAustrianAnimations87

5 ай бұрын

​@@christophmaier4397 Austria-Hungary was not a "failed state". "no functional bureaucracy" Yet it was still competent enough to stay united and survive until the Central Powers' defeat in 1918. "no functional army" This is somewhat true as the army indeed had problems. However, the Italian and Ottoman armies were way more disfunctional in comparison. Austria-Hungary was still strong enough to beat any neighbor in a 1v1 war aside from Germany and Russia. "no meaningful economic development" This is just completely false as Austria-Hungary actually had a faster economic growth by % than many other European countries. Explain me how Austria-Hungary had a larger machine-building industry and electric home appliances production than France (which was supposed to be more developed than A-H). Austria-Hungary also contructed railways faster than France and Britain.

This is incredibly interesting and extremely valuable. I hope this comment serves as some small piece of encouragement to keep producing this kind of content.

As someone who’s read through most of Judson’s book in a single sitting; I feel so validated to see it listed in your sources. It’s an amazing read, and probably one of the most comprehensive studies of Austria I’ve seen

I love your videos on these obscure topics that keep me up at night.

Always a great comfy watch

I always like your videos and the topics, keep up the good work!

Great video! My main takeaway is that we Poles should bring back Agenor as a given name. 😁 BTW, the son of Agenor Romuald Gołuchowski - Agenor Maria Adam Gołuchowski - also became a minister of the Empire, but of the foreign affairs.

Great video. This is a subject I’ve been very interested in

Very cool contextualisation of this whole mess, thank you. I'm only familiar about this period of history through the works of dr Andrej Rahten which mainly expound on the Slovenian delegation to the Reichsrat and their internal quarrels. I guess it's more trivia than anything, but it's very funny reading about the convoluted coalition building the smaller nationalities had to engage in. At some point the Slovenian People's Party was heading a Catholic coalition of Ruthenians, Moravians, Croats and Slovenes, viciously opposed by Poles, Bohemians and Italians. Fun times.

Nothing exemplifies viennese politics more than Karl Lueger. On a monday he would go on anti semitic tirade and on the next day he would go dine with the leading Jewish figure of Viennese high society. On friday he would warm against slavs and the next day seek alliances with slavic parties. Now those were some truly… unique times

Maybe it is worth recalling a few facts about Austria-Hungary: AH gave unprecedented and unparalleled levels of welfare to its citizens due to its large internal market, international trade, single currency, single language, effective administration, single legal system, efficient transport and communication system. AH was a world-wide leading country in terms of its culture, science, technology, architecture, public administration and law. AH did have a lingua franca, which all its citiizens mastered to read and write. AH provided stronger minority rights than any one of its numerous successor states. There were few other countries that granted the active and passive right of vote to a larger part of their population than AH. AH was the role model of the European Union. Those that destroyed and hated AH, including Clémenceau, Benes, Hitler, Stalin, Tito and Mussolini inflicted but bloodshed and poverty on the world.

@irwo1

5 ай бұрын

is this satire? so little true information here lol

@jurijsoklic5026

5 ай бұрын

@frankjost2701 you are delusional. Hitler, Stalin and Tito didn't destroyed AH they were all nobody or preoccupied with other things up to 1918 when AH disappear from world map.

@TheAustrianAnimations87

5 ай бұрын

The guys you mentioned below didn't destroy Austria-Hungary as they were nobodys prior the 1920s, but yes, they still killed millions. Other than that, I agree with your comment.

@John_Kish

3 ай бұрын

single language? Which one lol

@zevnduck9904

2 күн бұрын

My brother in Christ Hungary tried to make everybody in its multicultured Kingdom Hungarian

Very interesting, thanks!

Really cool insight into such an interesting nation, keep up the good work

Visited Austria, Czechia and Hungary a year ago and my goodness all three countries were truly amazing

@fullmetaltheorist

5 ай бұрын

Your pfp matches the comment😂

@theimproooooooover

5 ай бұрын

@@fullmetaltheorist that's how my wife and I felt in Prague and Budapest

Best KZread recommendation in a long time

Excellent again.

you have said "austria hungary was forced to give up lombardy, its most valuable land..". I thought it would be czechia, which is very heavily industrialized..

@ahhno4662

5 ай бұрын

Lombardy is also heavily industrialised, and has seaports…

@sahhaf1234

5 ай бұрын

@@ahhno4662 I think what we need is an "economic geography" of austro-hungarian empire. What ı've heard is that czech were providing the industry, hungary were the breadbasket, and romanians provided the raw materials... Also what I've heard about 19th century italy is that it was dirt poor (probably only valid for the southern regions). Maybe Sir Manatee prepares a program on these matters to enlighten us.. :-)

@sahhaf1234

5 ай бұрын

@@ahhno4662 Also I've heard that galicia was the poorest region in the whole empire..

@GregBartlesbyProductions

5 ай бұрын

@@sahhaf1234 But funnily enough they started drilling there and found oil towards the end... 1906-08 I want to say?

@maximilianbeyer5642

5 ай бұрын

Lombardy-venetia did at one point pay 1/3 of imperial revenue. Then again, Hungary paid nothing, so it might have just been that they were the most taxed rather than actually the wealthiest

Can you make a whole documentary about post-war austria? Like 1945-1990s? I think it would be niche but everybody who cares about it, would 100% watch it, start to finish

Amazing video! Keep going

Great video. It's fascinating to see how this multicultural empire functioned. Out of curiosity did the Bosnians send any delegates to the Assembly when they were annexed by the empire?

Thank you for making that good Wien nerd content.

Fascinating.... huzzah!! 😊

Will you make a video about the Saxons in Transylvania by any chance ?

Could you make a video about the assimilation policies in Austria-Hungary

@LookToWindward

5 ай бұрын

Were there any? Did they try to “Germanize” the other ethnic groups?

@TheAustrianAnimations87

5 ай бұрын

@@LookToWindward Assimilation policies only existed in the Hungarian part, but not in Austria.

i should really visit my local book shop. id really like to read about Austria-Hungary's rail system.

Sir Manatee always knows how to satisfy my curiosity.

They lacked somebody yelling constantly "HONORABLE GENTELMEN!!!"

Incredibly insightful into what could've been a framework for something akin to a modern constitutional monarchy with a very federalised structure. Interesting to think about what would've materialised had they kicked out people like Conrad von Hotzendorf etc and avoided self-imploding (if that was even impossible)

15:36 Can you tell me the source of this episode? I'd be interested to dig in more about Rusyn politicians from this time period.

Are there any good links about the musical disruptions from the Czech nationalists? Irgendwelche Sprache

Absolute delight to watch . Damn, Austrians were so interesting when it came to politics

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@alconomic476

5 ай бұрын

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@ahhno4662

5 ай бұрын

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@SloveneAnon

5 ай бұрын

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Great video as always, but you know i will love more videos about Sweden👍

@SirManateee

5 ай бұрын

Do you have any specific suggestions? :D

@skurt9109

5 ай бұрын

@@SirManateee You could make a video about "Myggeborg", or the eastern swedes. Still any videos you make i still enjoy except if they are about denmark,albania or abkhazians :)

Hungarians need to apologize for eroding the empire and grinding it to a halt so thoroughly for a hare brained idea that they could be independent without destabilising central europe entirely

Outro music?

how long does it take you to make these videos

O I like your videos

nice video as always

Great video

14:32 - 14:44 As a Pole, I feel honored xD

In todays Czech republic the parlimentary obstructions are a well celebrated tradition to this day. :-3

5:00 The irony isn't lost on me that the description is mostly identical to the British system in place right now.

@SamAronow

5 ай бұрын

The House of Commons doesn’t have a Curia voting system or an overlap with regional parliaments.

@Argacyan

5 ай бұрын

@@SamAronow hence not completely identical, but that does get it very close compared to anything else it could've been instead

@SamAronow

5 ай бұрын

Yes, though thankfully no English-speaking country ever _weighted_ people’s votes by social class, even though they initially limited the franchise. Interestingly, Canada’s Senate is really just a renamed House of Lords (Ontario and Quebec in particular inherited the class system to a much greater degree than the other colonies).

@Argacyan

5 ай бұрын

@@SamAronowI would disagree with the first sentiment there. They didn't weight it within the chambers, but the entire concept of the house of lords is itself weighting the vote of the upper class as higher. Like, that's the underlying factor that house represents historically by matter of existing in the first place & the underlying motivation to its creation. It's a very fundamental misunderstanding on those terms to suggest there was no weighting when there is openly celebrated weighting.

Truly, Galicia was an oasis for Polish culture and politics, I can't even blame those, who wanted Poland to become the third great part of the monarchy.

@ayararesara6253

4 ай бұрын

I think croats were the next in queue for triple monarchy.

@ShadowSkryba

4 ай бұрын

@@ayararesara6253 historically, yes but under the assumption that AH survives WW1 and expands for all the Slavic territories manageable I think the population of Poland would be larger than the South Slavs, let alone Croatia on its own. Anyway, I'm just relaying how a position was promoted.

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Que ganas de jugar al victoria II con Austria despues de este videi

@officialromanhours

12 күн бұрын

Vic2 forever!

i just had a law history exam about this shit it provokes headaches

Video requeſt: Pleaſe make ſome videos about Auſtrian national identity and when exactly did þey ſtop þinking of þemſelves as Germans? when did þe two identities ſeparate?

@dzejrid

5 ай бұрын

Short answer: after WW2. Long answer: "it's complicated"

@bigyeet5857

5 ай бұрын

Most people after WW2, some people in the interwar years, aristocrats before WW1

Honestly was a bit difficult listening to german names for Czech cities, but a decent video. Wish Austrians were not so goddamn hard to work with considering we were stuck with them in the same country for 400 years (without equal say in the empire).

0:22 Wasn’t Commons bigger?

How do you think this could possibly work? To me maybe a “rational” organisation of provinces along French Revolutionary lines, but given that ethnicity was quite important to people I cannot see this not ending in an uproar of some kind…

14:18 I wander what was the region that had the majority of Russian speakers for them to be granted the right to communicate in their language.

@SirManateee

5 ай бұрын

Russian was spoken by many Ruthenians at that time

@Reichsritter

5 ай бұрын

Galicia, the Ukraine even today speaks both Muscovite and Ruthenian

@D.S.handle

5 ай бұрын

@@Reichsritter I mean, besides the people who came there during the Soviet times (primarily to the cities) and the people who fled the recent invasion, an overwhelming majority of the locals there speaks Ukrainian.

@D.S.handle

5 ай бұрын

@@SirManateee yeah, I guess they could have been Russophile Ruthenians in Galicia and Subcarpathia, at the time they could have been considering their language a variety of Russian. I wonder wether they actually spoke Russian among themselves though.

@jurgenraucher544

5 ай бұрын

​@@SirManateeehow so? Galicia-Lodomeria(at that point of the video) was never part of the Russian empire, why Ruthenians(Ukrainians), majority of whom was illiterate peasants, who lived entire life in home village, just choose to speak russian and not their language? Even neighbour Ukrainian regions in RusEmp was speaking Ukrainian of that times. Even today after all of Russifications villages still speak Ukrainian, and only in big cities it changes. You made a good video, I like it, and I give it to you, but at this point something doesn't add. Could you please share some sources on this subject that you used? Thanks in advance!

Subtitles: away with the CIA parliament Also now I know that the Christian and National parties were happening at the same time Edit: 14:14 such a perfect picture. How could it be found?

It sounds PERFECT. FJ Knew exactly what he was doing.

ONLY 1 MINUTE in im already hooked up by the lore, based czech. GG Sir as always, for your victorian europe lore dump.

Parliament is so chaotic the Kaiser basically told them to fuck off.

Danubian Federation.

Very well made video in spite of liberal biases

@snek976

5 ай бұрын

"Liberal Bias" - When the video doesn't agree with my worldview

oddly specific

Yeah this sounds dysfunctional, but did any mp beat another with a cane in the parliament chamber with witnesses?

18:15 puting Slovenians cities names in brackets and German ones in front that certainly increased tensions betwen Slovenians and Germans.

tbh the greatest equivalent of the austrian empire today would be the UK

@CMitchell808

5 ай бұрын

Do a majority of the MPs in parliament not speak English?

@hjuy4049

5 ай бұрын

​@CMitchell808 everyone spoke German in the parliament.

@LookToWindward

5 ай бұрын

I’ve never heard of anyone trying to give a speech in Welsh or Gaelic (let alone Bengali) in the House of Commons.

@petergriffin3194

5 ай бұрын

@@CMitchell808 wow I didn’t know thanks for telling me 😇

@petergriffin3194

5 ай бұрын

@@LookToWindwardi said greatest equivalent, because the UK is a multinational country

Not to jump to conclusions quickly yet the Reichstraat could function better if there had been translators despite numerous languages made. It had been formed at the wrong time. If such parliament should have been formed at 1947, the Austro-Hungarian Parliament could have functioned better with IBM's translation machine.

Is there ever a moment in history where a country's democratic legislative is NOT a joke

Good video, but with a thousand Viennese waltzes to choose from, he uses a Russian one. 😿

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Absolutely based Czechs.

Wake the f--k up, Samurai we have another banger from SirManatee

You will never guess what ethnicity Victor Adler was btw (100% coincidence)

Hallo

Fascinating. I begin to understand EU politics better.

Say, what is your source for the claims of the Czech National Social Party's political stances? The name of the party can be incredibly deceiving, but it was in no way anti-semitic or authoritarian.

i like Austria 🇦🇹

The first republic woud have been imposibal without the reichsrat

I kinda want to see how russian duma worke compared to Australian Parliament

Brünn 🇸🇰

Its good to see democracy hasnt really changed lol.

That is called filibustering

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The Reforms of the Austrian Empire under Franz Joseph were just so awful, he was so incompetent.

Awesome. Brilliant content. Spot on. Austria Vienna Empire wealthy yes Thomas. Andreas SPO runs Austrian government he Austria Vienna. Barqi Italy your home Thomas yes I am Italian citizen nurse. Pietro Boselli Italian runs Italy he my friend. Danke. Austria Vienna empire old Europe yes it the EU Thomas. Austrians run it. FPO win Austrian Chancellor. Art Bezrukavenko deliver it. Better off politically Martin sellner runs FPO Austrian government Thomas.

Most shocking thing about this video is that Napoleon III actually won a battle lmao

15:37 ah, so modern ukrainian tactic of blocking tribunes in the parliament has its roots in the past.

Jesus Is that Argentina and USA politics?

@CMitchell808

5 ай бұрын

Not even close. The U.S. is functional, and Argentina is funny. AH was neither.

I am immediately reminded of that one guy who shouted 'THIS IS DEMOCRACY MANIFEST!'.