It's 3:00am, my family is asleep, and here I am, wide awake, 47 minutes into this, feeling this palpable, electrical storm surging inside my skull, the likes of which I've never felt before, feeling grateful to be alive and able to listen to this. For reasons not clear to me, I suddenly feel.. grateful, hopeful, and optimistic, even. Sending love and light to all of you, whoever you are, wherever you are.

@kathyborthwick6738

Жыл бұрын

Yes -This is what Jung, the New Testament, and Quantum Physic refer to when we talk of Universal Consciousness, discernment and critical thinking evidenced by the Word of the Sacred Holy Spirit via the oldest Ethiopian Coptic Bible/( Septuagint translation ) in relation to the Book of Enoch - not canonized by the RC Church, Orthodox Protestants etc….but by the Word of the Almighty Most High God, Y’shua, and Wakan Tanka, the Sacred Holy Spirit!

@jk541beatz

Жыл бұрын

33:58 when 2 smart dudes volley ball their knowledge and get hyped about it ! 😅 Good shit. One of the most interesting conversations I’ve listened to. ❤ 100 😊

@delian66

Жыл бұрын

@@jk541beatz what did you learn from it, if it was so interesting to you?

@user-ze6mh8fg1k

Жыл бұрын

Whoa whoa dude, I’ve only read the first few pretentious sentences from this stoner tangent you left for us in Dr. Peterson’s comment section and I just gotta say GET A FUCKN GRIP!! My goodness, what the fuck man.... stop that.. STOP That now, please 🛑...

@angelinejohnson9511

Жыл бұрын

so happy for you: now, to find people in real time to sit and discuss IDEAS that give meaning to your life/others lives. I need to be around 'chewy' conversations, myself. Even if I have to back-up and replay things, ask people to repeat their point.

Some of us believe in you Jordan Peterson. Some of us will gladly stand shoulder to shoulder with you in your fight against all that's wrong in our country's and world today. We know of the hell you have survived and we have a powerful understanding of that hell. Ty for speaking up when so many others are to weak to fight or just unwilling to risk losing. Good luck 👍

@extraspecialk3244

Жыл бұрын

Don't believe in JBP (that's cult mentality) believe in the good principals he espouses. Your idols will always disappoint you.

@Humanaut.

Жыл бұрын

@@extraspecialk3244 you always must believe in not only the principles in a vaccuume but in the man who embodies them as well. A soldier must believe in his officer, the officers mist believe in the generals and so forth.

@sheilareyes5511

Жыл бұрын

And a significant number of us that are willing to stand shoulder to shoulder together, in and amongst our brethren, in solidarity with Dr. Jordan Peterson are real, conservative, logically-minded, intelligent and UNOPPRESSED women. I am preparing by bettering myself to be able to defend our champion if need be.

@extraspecialk3244

Жыл бұрын

@@Humanaut. ok well prepare to be disappointed then 😕

@Billy-hu2xu

Жыл бұрын

@@sheilareyes5511 well stated all you need not my validation. I will be glad to stand with another fighter

I began my college life in computer science but found I did not like computers very much and elevated my minor of Psychology to my major. This was 1968 and a little thing called Vietnam altered my life trajectory away from psychology. My aging mind comes alive listening to your discussions. Thank you Dr. Peterson.

@trudilloyd8917

9 ай бұрын

Bless you

@BartWinchester-pj1wb

7 ай бұрын

I was trained by Vietnam vets in the NAVY..1990 BOOT CAMP.. DANGEROUS BUNCH .

@woozledog

5 ай бұрын

Thank you for being here :>

Here are some of my favourite bits from this magnificent conversation: 1. All opposites coincide in infinity. 2. The meta opponent processing is best modelled by a Symphony. 3. Suffering is inherent to us. Our finitude, our eternal ignorance and inevitable blindness, our failure to hit the mark. 4. Wisdom is how effectively you put your understanding of your inevitable suffering into a balanced ecology of practices. 5. Consciousness switches on when something axiomatic has moved. 6. The link between JPs Hierarchy of Goals and JV recursive evolving attention. How our frames update at criticality with respect to our nested goals. Such a wild universe we live in. What a ride...

@rachaeldover5170

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for your bullet points. To do so seemingly quickly and easily shows your intelligence. This is how I remember studying and memorising for exams in secondary / high school.

@timothy6007

Жыл бұрын

​​@@tlaloc_1 ironic that bullet point 4 is the only one i could make sense of.

@AppleOfThineEye

Жыл бұрын

@@tlaloc_1 Basically, to deal with suffering, we build up processes and practices that help us lessen that suffering, and these processes and practices interact with one another. Hence "ecology." Does that help?

@ClayAlbright

Жыл бұрын

Truth is infinite. Eternity is infinite. The have no opposites. All opposites of Truth are an illusion. How can an illusion be considered anything but a perception. Perceptions change with understanding. Perceptions cannot be infinite. Only Truth can be infinite. Truth has no opposite. Read A Course In Miracles (ACIM). It will enlighten you how to unlearn the world and return to Truth!

@andresfelipeandrademartine6036

Жыл бұрын

I would add another important bit, at least for me. 7. The brain doesn't try to predict the world, it tries to predict itself in the interaction of the world. I feel that is touching a bedrock of understanding and enlightenment of conscious experiences.

You're Twitter suit is next level Dr. Peterson. Praying for you and your family as you fight the good fight. We truly live in a sad state of affairs.

@BonnieBlue2A

Жыл бұрын

You should see/hear the full Exodus series behind The DailyWire+ paywall. It is well worth the price of admission.

@GetUnlabeled

Жыл бұрын

Lol. Twitter Suit! Love it

@dougbillbeaver

Жыл бұрын

I wonder if its his choice or the wife. The cuff, the tie, the shoes, the color, I am flabbergasted ! Now that's guts !

@JoeKawano

Жыл бұрын

Oh! That’s a Twitter suit! He won them, and wore them as a skin! Like a great hunter would wear a lion pelt from a lion he killed, Jordan Peterson is wearing the pelts of Twitter! 😅

@vettevegas8549

Жыл бұрын

Look what his daughter helped him do! Returned from hell. Thank you Jordan and family. Love and prayors out.

That SUIT transcends time and space

@ianyoung6706

Жыл бұрын

If dress styles are cyclical, then that suit doesn’t prove he’s a monster; he’s just ahead of the curve. (Name that reference)

@realjonez1961

Жыл бұрын

On GOD

@UniMatrix_1

Жыл бұрын

Fitting that he calls it the Twitter suit 😂

@juliettailor1616

Жыл бұрын

Shoes are awful as well. I think his daughter is his stylist. He needs a new stylist...

@mplsgal8509

Жыл бұрын

Right!!

I love watching their body language when one of them makes a point that excites the other. They always point and lean forward and start to move around because you can tell it's feeding them in their intellectual pursuit of the truth/meaning of the conversation. Very cool stuff

@luckisalady1

Жыл бұрын

Yes, being in the moment, face to face, with others, does this!

@yoeyyoey8937

Жыл бұрын

It was cartoonish 😬

@cliffytech

Жыл бұрын

seriously man, listening to the podcast versus watching it are two completely different experiences

@yoeyyoey8937

Жыл бұрын

@@cliffytech which one is less cringey?

@trudilloyd8917

9 ай бұрын

Ha ha he he

Finally! I get to see you meet a worthy opponent in hand gymnastics, of which I think it's a tie. The way you both move your hands like conductors, organizing and sharing your brilliant thoughts and perspectives. I just loved this chat. Grinned the whole time, while being educated, illuminated, and mind blown. Thank you both 💜

@barlynuribe3887

Жыл бұрын

😅

@steveunderhill5935

Жыл бұрын

So much touching when things get serious

@g.c.9904

Жыл бұрын

As a proud Italian I can say they are pretty good amateurs in hand gymnastics.

@timeforwar6312

Жыл бұрын

The hand composers of interlluctual enlightening speech

@soulthriver-oz6470

Жыл бұрын

yes, it's called Gesticulating. Enthusiastic, deep thinkers & oral types seem to do it most often.

God, how much do I enjoy the intelligent conversation between grownups and how much do I miss it in daily life!

@caralho5237

Жыл бұрын

Who needs intelligent conversation when you have the superbowl?

@johnfish7144

Жыл бұрын

I wish I had people in my life that wanted to be able to discuss these topics. I’m just a truck driver in a world of people who have no interest in making progress in life.

A conversation so intense it makes me feel like my five year old self at the dinner table, listening to grown ups conversations and not knowing what the heck they're talking about, but still loving every word of it 😂

@ladyguerlain3707

Жыл бұрын

Listening to this makes me feel dumb, like it’s a foreign language I haven’t learned yet. 😁

@delian66

Жыл бұрын

What did you learn from it?

@dariiakashchuk7505

Жыл бұрын

@@ladyguerlain3707 , hi from Ukraine. That’s really difficult for me but also a pleasure to listen to this conversation

@taden8544

Жыл бұрын

listen to it again more will come to sense.

@jimparr01Utube

Жыл бұрын

I was so captivated by these two discussing things I had mostly never heard of that I stayed for the duration. There is something hugely inclusive about watching two highly educated and intelligent people so excitedly sharing their opinions - no matter the topic. And I agree with your dinner table concept absolutely. ============================ [EDITED 3 weeks later] My initial, brief comments seem to have attracted something of a storm. Not intended. @VonJay appears to be rather hungry for trashing J.P. as a fraud, based on a rigorous physical-science-based description of entropy. I have recently pondered about why the immutable law of entropy is so well defined, while no-one seems to agree that without the imposition of 'ORDER' by conscious minds (be it God or other), that our lot as humans would be rather pointless. Similarly, where from and why does the planet teaming with competing life and vibrancy even exist - when its mostly agreed-upon age is some billions of years. How does entropy factor into that? I can only surmise that the ridiculous WOKE policies, where commanding the populous by LAW to follow illogically entropic (rather than definitive categorizations) for genders will NOT en-'gender' freedom of speech in any logical way. To me, it is one of the most oxymoronic concepts I have ever learned of in recent years. So to conclude this rant, I do believe Dr. J.P. is quite entitled to temporarily highjack the word "entropy" as a word DEVICE to illustrate his viewpoint/s. He is after all a SOCIAL scientist, not a scientist of any note in the physical disciplines. And I believe - as do millions of others - he is currently a voice in the wilderness w.r.t. pointing out why we - globally - are so very WRONG - about so many aspects of human life and wellbeing. WE ARE NOT ROOTED IN THE PHYSICAL REALM. We are OTHER.

Me. Peterson; You have become an extremely important part of my life. You have made many things that I have wondered about make more sense to me. You bring into my awareness sooo many things I had never thought of. This expands and enriches my mind. I love learning and you do an excellent job of explaining!God bless you.

@jimdeiner9293

Жыл бұрын

Agreed! But, who dressed him for this!?

@steveduffy5784

Жыл бұрын

@@jimdeiner9293 😂

@BlissfulBombshells

Жыл бұрын

@@jimdeiner9293😅LOL! However, I ADORE his unique tastes in wardrobe! This 1 is a little loud, but who cares!?! Takes confidence to Not dress like all the other boring, mindless sheep! 😉🤙💜🖤💫

@luckymeyer1014

8 ай бұрын

LUV IT. SOOOO SNAZZY

Every time you interview Mr. Vervaeke, there is so much life-changing information that I have to listen to it several times in a row. I listened to this one twice while I worked last night and feel I need to listen again several more time. Great stuff!

John Vervaeke was my first year Psychology professor at Toronto, amazing and very educated person; made psychology fun. It was my highest mark first year and it was my first intro to psych ever.

@user-uv6pz1zy8t

Жыл бұрын

It is a pleasure to see two men jumping to one another and touching one another like so, they look like street philosophers :) beautiful.

@jefftaves4003

Жыл бұрын

Dr. Peterson, with absolute respect, the mystery attracting my attention is that new suit you're wearing. Have I fallen into a trap?

@beecee9681

Жыл бұрын

@@jefftaves4003 It's his "Twitter Suit."

@rihhard1072

Жыл бұрын

So lucky!

@rihhard1072

Жыл бұрын

@@jefftaves4003 The suit game is getting a little out of hand with Dr. Peterson, I must agree

If all college professors were of this level of intelligence, wow... what a beautiful world we would live in! 🤗

@matthewcurry3565

Жыл бұрын

Just get addicted to benzos bro. You'll see and tase music. Then you'll learn the ultimate questions of life like good hygiene is good. The most obvious things will be seen by your eyes as Jesus law or something 😂. Why do you think there is only 1 peterson? Yeah he is an abuse victim who got addicted to pills buddy. The drugs while being an actual intellectual blew up his mind.

@endgamefond

Жыл бұрын

OMG SO TRUE!

@kssthmn

Жыл бұрын

i kindly recommend looking at the beauty that does exist. there is beauty all around us

@jennyharkin9495

Жыл бұрын

I'm not sure it would be such a beautiful world Lisa . I can foresee future generations of graduates , with their enlarged craniums becoming some global elite , lauding it over us "pea-brains " , although the hat industry would no doubt experience a renaissance before it became fully automated . I'm also wondering if an increase in intelligence has a detrimental effect on dress sense , I mean what is going on with DR Peterson's suit ? , he's normally such a snappy dresser .

@ricardosantos6721

Жыл бұрын

@@PClanner it's worse, he believes pretending to believe in fairies is somehow irreplaceably beneficial on a fundamental level

Can you even begin to imagine if the world of education was full of people with this dedication to truth?

@RobertLambertsonofficial

Жыл бұрын

I hope this starts that

@sincereflowers3218

Жыл бұрын

​@@RobertLambertsonofficial 4 weeks later and I'm hearing the leader and CEO of RussiaToday saying Ukranian children should be drowned in a river 😂

@danalexander186

Жыл бұрын

I am that dedicated and have even deeper truth to reveal.. I just have no degree due to the fact that my experience is from real life not just from studying concepts. I have no interest in popularity or the system so getting people to listen to someone they haven’t heard of before is difficult.. I have nothing against these guys or what they do but I can go way deeper into every subject they talk about without losing people with extravagant concepts in the words. I keep it easily understood and every subject that I’ve ever seen people talk about pertaining to mind, energy and truth, I have much better information. I’m not saying this for fun. I’m saying it because it’s true and I feel that I owe it to people to offer it. Instead of anybody wanting to know they put me down because they want to protect their favorite speakers. What I wish they’d understand is that I’m not trying to talk bad about or attack anyone’s favorite speakers. I’m just going deeper and I can back it up with fact as well as provide solutions for every problem. I can’t force anyone to act in the right way or listen to the right information. That’s on them. I find people say they want answers but won’t listen when someone offers them openly and for free to everyone.

@AtelierLaoshi

Жыл бұрын

nothing would get done lol

@spjr99

Жыл бұрын

It is. Just not everyone. It's like saying what if every doctor was the best neurosurgeon. It's impossible

I love how their minds get ahead of themselves but are able to catch up on each other through speech. The minds are having their own conversation and through words are able to articulate it clearly.

@N8Maple01

Жыл бұрын

It is like a cognitive dance. Each can see where the other is leading.

@FantomMC2

Жыл бұрын

That's what had me on edge!!! 😂 I was like, "I hope they circle back to that one point to finish it so they can both get useful information out of it"

I love seeing John Vervaeke speak with JBP on these topics because not only can he match his intellectual rigor but also match his fervor and passion in getting to the bottom of understanding more of it.

@mggh54g5

Жыл бұрын

I have yet to see someone match Vervaeke’s intelligence though

@libertarious

Жыл бұрын

I'm tempted to reach out to both of these men to have them coauthor a book based on this discussion.

@edzvidal5010

Жыл бұрын

@@mggh54g5 Well, you might not admit it but it's obvious that Jordan Peterson is as intelligent as Vervaeke. Their conversant alone proves that.

@nathancurry7944

Жыл бұрын

@@mggh54g5 Iain Mcgilchrist

@matthewcote5198

Жыл бұрын

@@mggh54g5 intelligence isn't just measured based on one category though. So it would be impossible for you to even have a real knowledge of vervaeke's intelligence, and because of that, you can't determine who can or cannot match it.

Dr. Vervaeke has truly mastered the art of meditation being able to calmly interact with a person wearing that suit.

@mcnallyaar

Жыл бұрын

@JordanBpeterson3 Hi. About what? How would you like to connect?

@rachaeldover5170

Жыл бұрын

Lol

@Hertz2laugh

Жыл бұрын

At 36:24: Jordan Peterson basically describes the mechanism that allows for cancer cells to develop in the human body. As long as the mutations are "fringe" and not "core" the body will leave the cell alone. Cancer is the result of each generation of a cell passing on "acceptable" mutations. Eventually the cell is wildly different than the original. With humans, the main soruce of cancer-causing mutations is chronic oxidative stress resulting from constantly eating carbs and seed oils. Other factors like radiation and polutants contribute as well, but diet is, by far, the most significant factor.

@scarymuffin6978

Жыл бұрын

🤣

@Nikthehermit

Жыл бұрын

As a man who reached out and "tapped" another man's pinky..........I don't think he's easily startled by a teal suit......

This whole conversation was meta exposure therapy for the whole audience to realize they can handle this level of depth.

Im so thankful for having people like jordan on this planet. Whereas most try and fail to illuminate the future, he illuminates the past. And every time John is on, im astounded, what a genius. Keep up the good work 👏

Jordan peterson saying “its my twitter suit” is the best thing I’ve heard so far this year 😂

@josephtravers777

Жыл бұрын

Blue skies smiling at me, nothing but blue skies do I see 😉

@200Mafa

Жыл бұрын

I love the blue suit with white 💙 blue expression white peace💖lots of wisdom 🙏

@areyouavinalaff

Жыл бұрын

I can't help thinking of Buddy the elf.

@sarahposey7166

Жыл бұрын

A bit much for me, but knowing a bit of his mind, it is "in your face" LOL, beautifully talored, Tiffany blue, hmmm.

@matthewcurry3565

Жыл бұрын

@@areyouavinalaff Thats a pretty smart yet deep in trauma psychosis buddy I ever did see 😂. But yes. When men see hell we become children. Rip.

This level of discussion is next level. Look at the millions of people who are interested.

@dawn-mariestevens4573

Жыл бұрын

I know millions follow JP, but it sure shows lower viewership

@kel8026

Жыл бұрын

The outfit is next level too.

@lindathivener8742

Жыл бұрын

Doesnt k mean thousand ? 🤣

@dertythegrower

Жыл бұрын

@@lindathivener8742 He is the top male educator on applepodcasts... and the top educator podcast on many others like spotify i believe also. you wont see the millions it already got just here 🧠

@dertythegrower

Жыл бұрын

@@dawn-mariestevens4573 People are not going to only see it here.. 🧠 its on a lot of other areas to listen

it's wonderful to watch the two of them kind of cross-pollinate each other's thoughts and encourage each other to bring their ideas together.

These gentlemen are building and enhancing on Professor Peterson’s Maps of Meaning, bringing in overlaid networks, self-organising criticality, musicology and Spiritual Consciousness. Lots of interwoven and brilliant metaphors here with relevant citations. Thank you.

There is a shortage of people in this world who are willing to go deep into an existential conversation. These videos are great!

@AC-hf3gm

Жыл бұрын

I 100% agree with you! I'm so glad I've stayed true to that part of myself because I've found people like myself and our relationships are authentic and bring fourth so much growth between us

@duckrivermama66

Жыл бұрын

Too many people have lost the ability to reason deeply. Sound, deep reasoning is required for there to be truly meaningful communication about existential topics. This kind of thinking is not being taught in most schools anymore.

@friendlyghostkinda

Жыл бұрын

Agree ! Very few people would have the guts to sell out so publicly. Spend his money on a clown costume during a time when he thinks he can “relate” to normal people. Charge young men hundreds of dollars and studies the exact situAtion where in but caved in. Very smart.

@Vanessa-rr9wo

Жыл бұрын

Very sad but true

@00TheD

Жыл бұрын

There is only a shortage in your lives ... Your looking at these gentlemen and thinking that there aren't many....that's not true. There just aren't many around you.

Even if they take away a title, they cannot take your knowledge. So glad to watch this conversation. 😊

@NixonsHead

Жыл бұрын

Like taking away a title from a black belt and pretending they can't fight anymore.

@softlycrumblingcastle1820

Жыл бұрын

@@NixonsHead By complaints that did NOT come from any of his patients.

@TheNebulon

Жыл бұрын

If anything, the institution will be removing its own title.

Thank you Thank you Thank you for recording and publishing yet another brilliant conversation! I love how deep this goes! And it answered a couple of questions I never would have found the answer to. It's so AWESOME that regular people like me can enjoy the conversations between such extreme intelligent and educated people!

It was maximum effort to follow these two gentlemen -much smarter than I. Enjoyed the back and forth.

When you realise how educated these gentlemen are. It was breath taking

@JookerSK

Жыл бұрын

I would call them Intelligent .. Cause you can read all the literature that exists but being able to connect the data into a logical thought is a different thing.

@mattmyers2624

Жыл бұрын

It's self-awareness development, where they're getting as deep as they can get into every nook and cranny they can.

@filsuf

Жыл бұрын

it's simply their respective tao, unique in everyway ... you and each of us have one ourselves, make it shine

@wizard4203

Жыл бұрын

scholars of trivia

@stvbrsn

Жыл бұрын

I would argue that it’s not the education which makes this conversation special. It’s the way that each of them has integrated what they’ve learned into their worldviews, and how well those worldviews complement each other.

I hope Vervaeke gets the publicity he deserves, for all of our sakes.

@memopinzon

Жыл бұрын

This.

@dannyjquinn880

Жыл бұрын

Although unlike Jordon, i believe he's far less tempted by the sin of fame

@mggh54g5

Жыл бұрын

I keep thinking about this. I feel like him going mainstream would have such an important impact on the workd

@stvbrsn

Жыл бұрын

Well, I hate to sound prejudiced… but these conversations will never be mainstream. The average person couldn’t follow it. Nor would they even have the inclination to try.

@stvbrsn

Жыл бұрын

@@mggh54g5 it’s the very depth of these discussions that will keep them from ever “going mainstream.”

Dr. Peterson is the Dr. Who in the Universe of the mind.

What a pleasure to listen to inteligent human beens discuss Deep matters, It was a Joy listening to you guys

It feels like these videos are made for people like me. I’m a Tradesmen not an academic. This conversation is super complicated for me yet I’m almost keeping up with it. I’ve learnt that’s the zone of proximal learning thanks to JBP. Just incredible. Thoroughly enjoyable and I’m so appreciative of these beautiful videos. I can’t thank you enough. Thank god for people like JBP and John Vervaeke.

@dionoliveira4058

Жыл бұрын

Amen, with you.

@met6187

Жыл бұрын

I have 2 degrees and I can't keep up every minute deserves hours of contemplation. Degrees count for nothing against the desire and enjoyment in learning.

@MFletch87

Жыл бұрын

@@met6187 I've got no degrees, quit school in year 10 @ 15. Why is it I understand the concepts, not the absolute of the conversation but for the majority it's there. I put it down to me owning a KJB 1611, Hermetic Philosophy, Blacks Law 2nd and 11th (4 other law books) and others. I understand what's being manipulated around us, this became settled within me after I purchased and read the Hermetic Philosophy book. 'Mind Dicipline' is mentioned in this Video. These guys understand Hermetic Philosophy, but I don't think I have heard them use that Language.

@fernandotrevinocastro1018

Жыл бұрын

I don't know any of the terms, concepts or academics mentioned here, but they built the talk from the roots of biology, and it's all about paralelisms so it linda make sense in all levels. Just what they said about music, i don't neet yo know how to play to listen, vibe, and like it.

@zeal514

Жыл бұрын

I'm with you. I didn't have the opportunity for schooling, but these sort of videos bring me there. I can do my own research, study these, what I would equate to as "modern essays".. I can simultaneously provide for my family, build and create in various trades I go through, and have pretty deep education. Then we can can even go onto the internet and debate our ideas and learn to write freely (well sometimes big tech doesn't like that).

I wish I had parents like these two. I just turned 40 and feel like a 17 year old because I’ve suffered so much emotional trauma that stunted me for 38 years. Just in the last two years when I started to resolve trauma did I start finally learning and not living out of my feelings . When you’re mind isn’t replaying programming constantly ,you grow. Or maybe you grow and your mind stops replaying the bad. I don’t know. Point is , there is a universe of knowledge and ways of thinking that are so out of my depths of reality that I don’t even think I know anything. I think my whole experiences of life have been so subjected to lenses and filters of my programming I just couldn’t comprehend more at the time. Which leads me to question EVERYTHING now. I don’t have people that think like this around me and I wish I had people like these two to talk to. I’m so thankful for the intellectuals that have shown me their is hope in recovery .

@righteouswhippingstick

Жыл бұрын

People with significant trauma young seem like they are pretty likely more observant regarding some sense and quickly learn to mimic resulting in relative talents much quicker but even better than that, do so with less mimicry and more original creativity. Though its not for me alone to say, there are positive possibilities from negative things that are not available to the stable core. It often sucks being very high iq if not around other like minds...

@tazzywazzy7599

Жыл бұрын

Your not alone. Believe it gets better. I listen to "Grace For Purpose" here on KZread everyday. It's healed me beyond belief.

@staceyforehand9513

Жыл бұрын

Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today, having built my life on the rock that is His word, you can know the truth of eternal life in Him. This brings the bullet proof love and joy in trials as The resurrected King joins you in your journey. God bless you

@waynegretzky8464

Жыл бұрын

Hey what you said spoke to me. It seems there are others out there than can relate it seems, maybe the internet is not such a bad thing. Ha! Wanna be pen pals?

@kintsugi2262

Жыл бұрын

m stuck too.. for 10years after going through horrible traumatic experience..

Thank you so much for everything you do, Dr. Peterson.

I could’t understand everything that was discussed here but it’s been a while since a conversation got me hooked like this. Felt like the technical conscious side of Jung’s unconscious union of opposites. Thank you both ❤

I think these two together produce the deepest conversations needed for the meaning crisis. It's also my favorite JP content.

@MrB00mbang

Жыл бұрын

There is a level of mutual understanding that is unprecedented in Peterson’s arsenal of interactions.

@Fawnshell

Жыл бұрын

@@MrB00mbang I agree and I think it’s perfect because less time juxtaposing back and forth allows the conversation to go deeper.

@memopinzon

Жыл бұрын

Amen.

@KalebPeters99

Жыл бұрын

I wish Peterson would drop the politics and go all in on the meaning and myth stuff Less money there tho...

@dannyjquinn880

Жыл бұрын

@@KalebPeters99 i think he can't help but be the archetypal father

Watching and listening to these two is like a fireworks show, each idea exploding forth rapidly and in spectacular fashion. Not gonna lie, had to pause at points because of the density of information, these are true masters at work.

@youtubemom497

Жыл бұрын

for me it was like watching 2 people have a conversation in Spanish... I recognize enough of the words to kind of understand what the conversation is about but it would really help to have subtitles at the bottom of the screen translating it to layman’s terms 😅

@WigganNuG

Жыл бұрын

@@youtubemom497 lol for sure...the first 6 min JBP went into a psych dissertation about dopaminergic responses and entropy. Translation; you feel good when you're organized and getting closer to achieving your goals, ambitions and responsibilities.

@ConfusedHomoSapien

Жыл бұрын

Well said 👌

@youtubemom497

Жыл бұрын

@@WigganNuG ah ok! 💡translation-make your bed 😄

@lindathivener8742

Жыл бұрын

Yeah ..real serious bs .🤪🤣

Great conversation. It's so amazing to see Dr. Peterson resurrected and thriving after all his health issues. I'm sure he well understands and can easily teach now the book of JOB. Love this channel. I really would like to complete my schooling at your University.

@rdallas81

Жыл бұрын

Job is such a wonderful book. I have read it 100 times and every time is "see" new things. The Bible reveals itself, through itself in such wonderful awakening and inspiring ways it is beyond this world and verbal ability to purvey it. God bless you!

My two favorite people. I have learned so much from these guys. Much love. ❤

This is absolutely amazing. I seriously think we need to lock John Vervaeke, Karl Friston, Jordan Peterson, Michael Levin, Ian Migilchrist, Bernardo Kastrup, Rupert Sheldrake, Terrence Deacon, and Donald Hoffman all in a room together for a week. My bet is that's how you solve the hard problem of consciousness and more😅 We are truly living in a golden age for wisdom.

@belliebeltran4657

Жыл бұрын

As well as the dark ages of stupidity.

@nathancurry7944

Жыл бұрын

@Lievel very true. The yin to the yang ☯️

@rainking50

Жыл бұрын

What Sheldrake content do you recommend? He's only ever lightly rang my bells.

@sandywitch

Жыл бұрын

Add Joe Rogan, Elon Musk, and Lex Fridman , and a heroic dose of psilocybin for everyone in the room. I would join their cult haha.

@chickenmonger123

Жыл бұрын

@@sandywitch don’t know if Joe would be interested personally in participating in that level of discussion. However he’d make a good waypoint and officiant for the group discussion. So would Lex, though Lex is more in the realm. A better participant than Joe. Joe is really good at conversation, and smart in the ways he navigates that. He’s not especially academic though. It’s part of what makes him talking to academics is so interesting. They can’t stay in the realm of complex and specific definitions. They have to speak in ways that are more accessible.

We love you Jordan, keep doing what you are doing 🥰👏🏼👏🏼

These guys are just wonderful. I love in particular the last part of the dialogue, the focus on virtue and transformation as distinct from propositional-brainy acquisition of knowledge. Thanks 🙏🏾

You have the voice to teach this Jessie it’s powerful when you read the Words spoken by Jesus to the 7 churches! It’s so clear to those that will hear . Thank You, today the physical churches hardly ever speak these words in their pulpits . Look forward to more of your teachings! GBY ! ❤️

Holy crap. I don’t know what I didn’t understand from this. You both make complicated subjects so simple that I will end up confusing myself making sure I really understood what I was listening to. Brilliant minds, both of you.

@MagzUpBr33zy

Жыл бұрын

I couldn’t express this feeling better… they simplified such extremely complex concepts, and now I’m left wondering if my understanding is an indication of high intelligence, and such low intelligence that I don’t realize how little i understand after all lol

@Graymore84

Жыл бұрын

@@MagzUpBr33zy exactly!

@marynewsham9896

Жыл бұрын

above my ability to understand.... today anyway

@garypuckettmuse

Жыл бұрын

If this blew your mind, I highly recommend Professor Irwin Corey.

With a title so compelling, it was a moral imperative that I LISTEN and watch

@brbapappa

Жыл бұрын

And learn

@dextermay4007

Жыл бұрын

My goal is to use “moral imperative” in normal conversation at least once each day for the next week.

Love the intensity, almost excitement, with which they're talking. An almost childlike (in a good way) joy in discovery.

What an amazing conversation filled with truth, fat love, generosity, and integrity. I love you all, especially you Jordan Peterson.

I cannot overstate how absolutely mind blowing it is to watch minds like this at work.

@elizabethecarlisle1045

Жыл бұрын

@Textabovenumber It's your sentence structure that fails to convince the demographic you're trying to attract. It's immediately obvious to anyone that reads your messages that you're either wholly uneducated or that English isn't your native language. By not polishing your English language skills, you're setting yourself up for failure.

@houndsontherun

Жыл бұрын

I love the quick intellect.

@NiniskoMueller

Жыл бұрын

Same here. Its like a sword fight.

@delian66

Жыл бұрын

What did you learn from it?

@NiniskoMueller

Жыл бұрын

@@delian66 pick your opponents wisely 😄

I hadn't run across Dr. Vervaeke's work before so thank you for featuring him as a guest. The discussion of the brain shifting and tuning neural networks to balance predictability and entropy and allow leaps of intuition was particularly interesting.

The hand gestures (from you both) transcended more time and space than I had ever though was possible.

A huge thank you to the intellectuals for researching, theorizing, and debating things I've felt to be true since early childhood, since before the internet.

"over privileging innovation as opposed to integration". That rings so true for me. I am a psychology student from Denmark, and last year's semester was cognitive psychology everything was so fragmented, multiple mini theories as it was called over the old grand theories. It just seems that it has gone too much in the direction of mini theories because it felt like you were learning one thousand different trivia or facts about cognition, but nothing to bind it together or give it more practical utility.

@AnnaRiedl

Жыл бұрын

You might enjoy the work by Gregg Henriques then! Sapolsky also does a fantastic job in "Behave" to put multiple theories on different levels of analysis into a coherent view. (Former psychology student who had to study cognitive science to understand how to put it together)

@Shawnquenneville

Жыл бұрын

Does that mean, that you don't think people should have right to their patent and invention? If so, please come to China. Where your invention helps the country and everyone benefits not just you.

@barb32koep

Жыл бұрын

Yesss!!! Well said, Tommy Aaquist 😎😎😎

@Shawnquenneville

Жыл бұрын

That's the problem with America, they believe, collaboration stifles, innovation, and keeping secrets is the best way.

@a.a.sanders6448

Жыл бұрын

The problem, or one of the many problems is, I believe, that people have a hard time letting go of the mechanistic view of human cognition. On many levels and with many things it works. Right? Thats how we come up with technologies, based upon machines based upon natural processes that work with other processes in a frankly mechanical way. But at the lowest points of...everything we are finding...Quantum entanglements...most of what we percieve turns out to be...macroscopic manifestations of One thing/substance/force. Mankind is smart enough to be able to think out of the box, but we can't actually get outside with mind/body intact and confirm our suspicions/theories! It's a quandary. Psychology has the conundrum of making humanities...consensual dream of reality connect with the phenomenal natural world existing outside it. To confound things more, at the Quantum level, it seems our thoughts can effect the natural world. Thought IS A PROBLEM, however. Because few ever think to control Thought as rigorously as we would the parts of a machine. I propose a new science focused upon the mastery of...Uber critical thought, with the aim of reshaping physical reality at some point...sounds suspiciously like newage mysticism doesn't it? But, it's arguable that the ancient mysticisms put aside in the age of science may have had considerable utility. Devils advocate and auto didact that I am, I'll say...why can't we have both paradigms?

On Nihilism “ I’m using a counterproductive frame of reference and that is what my nervous system is signalling to me “ - This quote was absolute gold and, it put into words something I live by intuitively 🔥

@met6187

Жыл бұрын

Yeh that hit something I've never been able to verbalise on the head.

@accadia1983

Жыл бұрын

As if certain phrases worked like neurotransmitters binding into our language receptors and triggering a new mode, never seen before? As if we woke up upon hearing a secret key - like that robot child from A.I. movie. Still, being productive should come from proper motivation: "doing nothing is better than being busy doing nothing". Lao Tzu I hope you are not wasting your time

Dr. Peterson, the last few years in my life were full of the pain that comes with the "waking" process....the realization of the reality that IS scared me, it scares most people I know. Your way of speaking, thinking and discussing has saved me from my cynicism. You know how important what you do is and you do it, and well at that. Thank you. Thank you thank you thank you, for being you. A. Wyland

I must gush a bit too here, you two are the kind of men I wish for as friends. I wish you guys were musicians! Bless all loved ones.

I am going to watch this video another 2 times at least. I didn’t think Dr. Peterson could impress me anymore then he already had, but this conversation is off the charts. Dr. Peterson’s verbal skills is off the charts. Then when he gets excited, passionate, whatever one likes to call it he starts to talk super fast. I had to rewind a couple parts a few times already. Dr. Peterson you out did yourself in this one. I’m very interested in where you are going next with educating us. Thank you so much❤ I have endless love for you & your family. Just so kind to us how you share so much.

@saracarternc

Жыл бұрын

This conversation is a miracle, right here, before our eyes right into our ears. I mean, all that is covered here, or un-covered, is worlds of understanding: miraculous. I will be listening to it over and over, writing it down, taking my time, etc. If this conversation could be absorbed by enough people, it seems like the world could transform: transcend. Infinity reaching out for us. Thank you so much.

@dionoliveira4058

Жыл бұрын

This was NOT Jordan's isolated conversation.........to negate the other side of "the coin" is folly....not much is new under our sun.

A few minutes in and am so psyched that JBP seems to be allowing the dialogue to breathe more than he has during previoius chats with JV. I wish both of these men all the best. We need them.

@luismoreno9633

Жыл бұрын

Yeah for real I was excited for a redo of this convo cause the last one was rough to listen to

@misterdeluxia5948

Жыл бұрын

i really like that jordan tries to tweak how he handles debates/conversations. its actually cool to see that theres thought behind what someone is doing

Very powerful. Thank you Dr. Jordan. Thanks John.

This is the conversation that the world is missing. The religion, government, culture, family, individual, is missing.

I absolutely love Vervaeke because of him i have started a meditative a contemplative and a movement practice in my recent life. Love is distillation of complex ideas

@SensemakingMartin

Жыл бұрын

I'd love to hear you elaborate on that last sentence there

@andre.1984

Жыл бұрын

Where did that definition of love come from? Seems like an attempt to rationalize, intellectualize or simplify a transcendental or spiritual concept. Wouldn't love be that which drives the distillation of complex ideas?

@champboehm7863

Жыл бұрын

Oops as much as I'd like to have a better explaination, I ment to say "his" ... I ment I love his distillation of complex ideas.. what a typo...

Jordan Peterson is a Great. He deserves to be named among those as Socrates and Marcus Aurelius

@ambitiousfixco.5780

Жыл бұрын

Understatement for sure

@landenmcniven7058

Жыл бұрын

Facts

@monarckcompany4996

Жыл бұрын

What would we do without him. They will talk about him for years to come

@landenmcniven7388

Жыл бұрын

Hero in a world full of villains

@wimvandenberg3339

Жыл бұрын

Have you ever read anything of Plato?

"The brain doesn't try to predict the world, it tries to predict itself in the interaction of the world." 57:40 I feel that is touching a bedrock of understanding and enlightenment of conscious experiences.

@andresfelipeandrademartine6036

9 ай бұрын

I didn't remember commenting on this, I was listening to the podcast again because of the information it has, and the same phrase touched my understanding of my conscious experience. This conversation really is mindblowing, and mindbending and it has connected me through space and time. The title is NOT joking. BTW, my relevance realization just made me realize that JP was wearing a tie with a lot of faces on it hahaha I think is Elon Musk.

Wisdom will grow as we read the WORD ( fundamental truths) and allow the Holy Spirit to guide us.

Just passing by to confirm that the conversation has indeed transcended time and space as I'm here 7 days later in Brazil and watching this masterpiece unfold.

@thejosuchav

Жыл бұрын

Ha! Clever!

Its so hard to exist in this culture when these are the only things i really care to think or talk about. For the first time in a while I felt like i was involved in a stimulating conversation, even though I'm not involved! This was really a pleasure to watch. Wow. Thank you both. I'm definitely going to check out John's series it sounds amazing.

@kathyborthwick6738

Жыл бұрын

Very well stated 🕊🌺🕊🙏🏽🕊🌺🕊

@delian66

Жыл бұрын

What did you learn from it?

@angelinejohnson9511

Жыл бұрын

There was this 'Lyceum movement' in the early 19th century, then the 'Chautauqua movement' later that century. 'Salons' used to be a thing, besides public lectures: early salons in the Enlightenment were where women gained educations, reading, discussing, critquing each other, but holding salon since has evolved in meaning. A century ago, getting into some salon-societies was a real gift. And here's another, for us. This is like a virtual salon, where we all get to sit back and take this in, then discuss amongst ourselves. Imagine if radio had developed THESE kinds of talks (vs what devolved into talk radio in the 1970s, and what THAT became, over the last 50 years.) Oh my yes: more of this, please. What our intellects have been craving. Actual concern about meaning, and how to find it, and how its structured.

@AnnaRiedl

Жыл бұрын

The 5 episodes by John on the "Jim Rutt Show" and his TEDx talks are a good place to start imho

@VonJay

Жыл бұрын

I really don’t see this conversation as anything different than what’s out there. In that first 10 minutes of the convo, Peterson described (and I know he’s quoting someone else but he doesn’t give the correct definition in the process) entropy as “disorder” or a measure of it. Which is completely false. The analogy fits only in certain situations and doesn’t hold true in most situations, or even in all the situations where “order” or “disorder” occurs. So it’s an inaccurate way to look at or define entropy. He then makes more deductions based on an inaccurate definition. “Positive Emotion decreases entropy because the traveled distance to your goal creates more order?” What??? That makes absolutely no sense thermodynamically. The trick is that certain audiences don’t know the definition of it, just like he doesn’t know the definition, but he then dresses the false definition with big words and conviction. This is what convinces you that it’s an intelligent conversation. Though he is quoting someone’s work he takes no effort in solution the audience with the true definition or divulge if he even knows what entropy means. So in conclusion, this conversation is as stupid as the ones by people who aren’t even pretending to be intelligent.

A master class in searching for overlapping agreement between 2 rather different approaches. The transcript is useful..So many incomplete threads. John Vervaeke is very polite and tolerates Jordan B Peterson's sometimes somewhat frenetic attempts to make the Theories connect. Great respect for both as I only have a shallow grasp of some of the concepts. Thank you BOTH very much.

A soundbite straight from the heavens to my ears. 🙏🏽

This is one i will be revisiting over time. This conversation sounds like a revered piece of classical music that will inspire multiple generations; an absolute bombshell in content of conversation, multiplied by its magnitude of importance. Two soloists wielding linguistic instruments, exploding into a crescendo in an attempt to capture all that is. Thank you deeply. I have so much to think about. This life never ceases to amaze me.

@fernandotrevinocastro1018

Жыл бұрын

Dude i'm in my second listen pausing to write the stuff i'm thinking of.

@accadia1983

Жыл бұрын

if you meet Buddha, kill him.

@bjorknasty2870

Жыл бұрын

@@accadia1983 lmao he'd probably say something like "ah yes, reunited with the nothing that is all"

Vervaeke's mannerisms when he's tying things together is amazing. He is literally recognizing the profound and he can't contain his love of it.

His listening skills are unparalleled.

He's describing a state of pure consciousness that I have also experienced. I'd love to talk more about that.

"The passing of each week brings us one step closer to the moment we have all been patiently waiting for - the release of Dr. Jordan's latest podcast. Like a thirsty traveler in the desert, we yearn for the life-giving words of wisdom that flow from the lips of this brilliant man. And as we sit, eagerly anticipating the next installment, we are reminded of the debt we owe to the one who brought us all together - Dr. Peterson, a true leader in these trying times."

Love your content Dr. Peterson. Praying for you daily sir.

This interview being broadcast to the world is why the internet is a great thing.

I love the way John keeps reaching over.

Thank you Dr. Peterson you have helped me understand the world in a new light.

@democracymeansdcstatehood3606

Жыл бұрын

Do you mostly watch stuff by right wing white men

@Sebaa1337

Жыл бұрын

@@democracymeansdcstatehood3606 i bet he just seeks truth

@0sumgame541

Жыл бұрын

@@democracymeansdcstatehood3606 no I watch stuff from many different sources. And I don't consider Peterson to be truly right wing.... and the fact that you found it necessary to bring race into it.... people like you are so boring.

Stay strong jp. Don't let em get you down. Good will prevail.

Man ... Dr. Vervaeke is an intellectual giant. I’d kill to study with him.

@rdallas81

Жыл бұрын

You miss the point. "Thou shall not kill" Its all about the word.

Thank you both for generating many flashing eyes.

This is such a meta conversation. Your discussion about oscillating between highway circuits and block by block connections, theories and step by step proofs, insight and step by step facts, and even “meaning” or “the one” and individual actions, ideas, or pursuits. It’s like music in motion! You two inspire me!

@righteouswhippingstick

Жыл бұрын

Ahhhhh yes... it feels like the listening version of reading some of dickens's gargantuan sentences that multi- tangent a tangent with many various elements about a tangent, all to come back onto the developing manifest of the point of a sentence. Ive never fit with people. It's great to see what that exclusion looks like for others.

@notinterested8452

Жыл бұрын

Twas all Greek to me indeed.

Mr Peterson.... You sir have class!

wow !!!! I had to rewind this several times, very high level and amazing conversation! thank you both!

Dr. Peterson, This is the first time I have ever left a comment on social media. I am a grandma of seven. Thank you for all that you do for millions of people. You have taught me so very much in your lectures, podcasts, and KZread videos. You know Yahweh, and you know His Son. He will never leave you nor forsake you or your family. Thank you for standing up with integrity, vision, and being rational. You bring to life Beauty and Goodness in a dark world.

@JordanBPeterson

Жыл бұрын

:) :) :)

Love your work Dr Peterson thank you for your hard work and dedication!

Thank you Mr Peterson ❤....gonna listen to this multiple times it was so deep

I've been following Peterson for about 6 years and this might be my favourite thing he's ever put out

Thank you Jordan and Daily Wire for these videos.

@democracymeansdcstatehood3606

Жыл бұрын

daily wire is a white male far right identity politics channel. Are you a political activist?

Forget about the fact that Jordan Peterson is one of the most brilliant thinkers of our most recent time, but his fashion is becoming completely unbelievable. Especially for a man who tries to maintain a firm grip on traditional aspects of life. And I must say that I am completely on board and enjoy watching his physical transformation.

@kevinbaisdon8767

Жыл бұрын

That suit !

@earlyates2350

Жыл бұрын

@@kevinbaisdon8767 And the sneakers! 😂

@cheriegullerud281

Жыл бұрын

Agreed! His topics and delving into them are mind-blowing AND he's a joy to look at! His "new" ideas are punctuated by his new fashion. He's a man for out times. His logo is amazing, too! The 3 cameras and editing, too, are wonderful!

Vervaeke is the best!!

This Is My Favorite Video By Jordan Peterson

Listening to the two of you is pure joy. It's almost 5 a.m. and I'm riveted. Those rare moments you can have this kind of discussion with someone are priceless. Thank you so much for this very special gift.

I took singing lessons a few years ago and it struck me when my teacher said day #1 that all musical instruments try to imitate what the voice is capable of. Not sure how true that is, but I remember it and what you both say about art aspiring to be music made me take that analogy further - that all forms of art including music aspire to be how beautiful words and kind speech can be. Taking it further all of us made in the image of the Word and we're meant to be like Him. Really everything glorifies God. :) Lovely to ponder!

@elan007

Жыл бұрын

especially the designer of that turquoise suit!

@craigsmith1443

Жыл бұрын

@@elan007 A starship captain's uniform.

@edthewave

Жыл бұрын

@@elan007 He's got that "drip" as we youngsters say

@smak387

Жыл бұрын

Everything glorifies God. God made the vocal cords which have given the greatest speeches we know and sung the most beautiful notes ever sung. When you hear amazing singing, you get a glimpse of God.

@phetmoz

Жыл бұрын

It's more like instruments are tools that were made to be an extension and refinement of the most beautiful, harmonic sounds that human vocal chords can make.

I love to listen to those talks I am finally starting to ponder questions!

I feel so connected to this topic

Hands down the deepest/best (I struggle to find the right word here) conversation I have heard in my life to date. Thank you for having and sharing it.

@brahmcross

Жыл бұрын

Same here, I was blown away! I haven’t watched these discussions unfold completely and was taken back by their explanations on some difficult to grasp topics. Way better than any film I could have put on tonight haha

@TT-cj3ek

Жыл бұрын

It’s over my head 😢. I just can’t understand this one

I'm loving how JP is brave ,bright and interesting these days in his attire when I used to watch him in lectures talking about pinochio and narcissistic mothers he had straggly hair and grey cardigans... I love this it's exciting and present and letting the dissenters know he's here to stay

@neva.2764

Жыл бұрын

It's an amazing suit. I wonder what brand. Most probably not Italian looking at the sleeve inset... Who's face is on the tie? Anyone? 😃 It suits him really well too. He'd be a great model!

@maggiemessenger7921

Жыл бұрын

@@neva.2764 I believe you but I think the suit is awful. But I admire that he'd wear such clothing. Anyway it doesn't matter. This man is a legend.

@caralho5237

Жыл бұрын

@@maggiemessenger7921 I think its a nice suit. The shoes though...lol

@haraldthi

Жыл бұрын

@@neva.2764 Quite possibly a one of a kind made by a tailor. Remember JPs obsession with iconography?

@ericlawrence9060

Жыл бұрын

His suit is obviously designed to not be itchy, tight, constricting, or functionless. I see pockets, padded edges, stretchy materials.

It's 1:15 in the morning and I've been going around the house quitely puting things back in its place and now folding a ton of laundry. I'm bot even half way thu the video and I'm not always sure I understand what exactly is being said but I feel the importance and of what do understand I find so interesting. I'm so greatful for this content and for Jordan!

@kisa1243

Жыл бұрын

@@marisolguzmanmontoya3138 How kind of you! Thank you! 💛

I enjoy both of you so much, but this is the first conversation together I’ve seen thank you so much you both are so uplifting for my life

I like this new direction Jordan. There is such a hunger for the Spiritual and Metaphysical.