I love how they took blueshifting and redshifting into account.

@nkronert

Жыл бұрын

Except that the stuff flying towards them should be blue shifted.

@thedeerguy7579

Жыл бұрын

@@nkronert It is. The thing is, everything behind them should be red and then fading to black.

@nkronert

Жыл бұрын

@@thedeerguy7579 ok, so you're taking about the blue glow of the background, not the red "warp speed" stripey things that turn into green (?) stripes when seen from the front?

@luizmenezes9971

Жыл бұрын

Except that they did it wrong.

@johnwang9914

4 ай бұрын

Except they showed some redshift in the forward view port when that should all be blue...

On rewatch, they even "shorten" the length of the Orville at relatavistic speeds. :)

@sandybrown7730

2 жыл бұрын

That would make no sense - camera moving at the same speed. In relation to the camera Orville should remain the same length.

@BlokenArrow

Жыл бұрын

The issue is to go 400 years in a few mins requires near light speed (minus thirty orders of magnitude)

"Everyone buckle up." Everyone continues to casually stand at their touch panel workstations. Those with chairs slightly grip their hand rest touch panels in the instance of turbulence. I suppose if the inertial dampeners failed, seatbelts would be like doing the duck and cover at ground zero of a nuclear strike.

@captscarlet8793

2 жыл бұрын

yeah, take what precautions you can, we all know what'll happen if systems REALLY fail. It's all relative , what that comment means to us is diff to what it means to them.

@bermlee

Жыл бұрын

probably having seatbelts would be like you're an egg in an egg slicer if inertial dampeners really failed. Better to be free and give the inertial dampeners time to cushion your approach to the opposite deck.

@danielhaire6677

Жыл бұрын

If the inertial dampeners fail while you are belted down, you would very briefly be have the person you were. Right before both halves became splotches on the wall.

@Fenris30

Жыл бұрын

It's called a figure of Speech Isaac.

@0INFERNO1

Жыл бұрын

DS9 kind of did something on inertial dampeners failing. When the jem'hadar Ship crashed and the crew had every bone in the bodies shattered. Honestly I think it would have looked more like they'd gone through a blender, but can't show that on TV

The Orville is doing the stuff that Star Trek was not educated enough to do. Good.

@gg-eo6ez

Ай бұрын

Paramount forgot how to write science fiction after decades of their writers being brain rotted by pumping out CSI and CSI derivatives

been watching this scene for 400 years

"LUDICROUS SPEED--GO!"

@FlagCutie

Жыл бұрын

"They've gone plaid!"

@jakekgfn

Жыл бұрын

They've Jammed the radar. Raspberry! Only one man uses raspberry....Lonestar

This whole scene really shows how smart the writers are. The drive system may be science-fiction, but the principle that the faster an object moves, the less relative time it observes has been conclusively demonstrated through the scientific method.

@willt3223

2 жыл бұрын

yep they even got the whole red coloring down

@spaceflight1019

2 жыл бұрын

"Time" is an artificial human construct. Animals don't perceive time as humans do. What "time" does is to enable the concept of "rate"; i.e., "per hour", "per minute", etc. The concept of rate enables the system of weights and measures to become useful in the worlds of commerce and process control. Commerce and process control enables our version of civilization to function. Amazing, isn't it?

@twanfox

2 жыл бұрын

@@willt3223 Actually, they kind of messed up the coloring. Right idea, but not well done. Light streaking in from the front of the ship would be blue-shifted as it gets more energetic, likely progressing far into ultraviolet light and higher, making the forward section black in the visible spectrum (or some different view as duller items are blue-shifted into visible). As for the red-shifting, it's done far too ahead of the ship's midpoint, allowing a red glow on the front of the ship, which wouldn't be possible. Everything astern of the midpoint would be redshifted in a gradient towards invisible, with the same distortion occurring to bring down things like the CMB towards visible. Instead, astern of the ship is green instead. Like, wot?! Anyways, they tried, and so get points for at least making the attempt.

@federalreservewolflegend3523

2 жыл бұрын

Whatever. Give me the girl with the tucked across bangs. Sweet heaven

@wakcedout

2 жыл бұрын

@@spaceflight1019 time is not a construct, how we measure it yes. But wether or not we observe it doesn't change the fact that time passes.

I never understood why they bothered to tell Gordon what their plans were. Let his other self believe he won and they were going to leave him there with his wife and family. Then go back to get him when he arrived in the past. "Just look at the flowers." So to speak.

@bryanemilius1606

Ай бұрын

Well, I always interpreted the “Just look at the flowers” scene a bit differently. When the kid says “I’m sorry” she’s saying “please don’t kill me.” Though here, I agree with you. There wasn’t a point in telling Gordon.

@0INFERNO1

Ай бұрын

@@bryanemilius1606 Exactly, all they ended up doing was causing pain and sadness. If it were me, I'd rather live in ignorance and happiness.

I recently calculated a bunch of lorentz factors for various speeds of light, and it's...insane. They would have to be going insanely fast to do that. If my calculations were correct, which...I've been an idiot before, then the lorentz factor for going 299,792,457 meters per second is only 12,216 and change. That ship is going...very close to lightspeed.

@f-22raptor25

Жыл бұрын

they had to be very close to it. Even closer than 12k. At 99.99% the speed of light it still doesnt come out to a few mins.

@firebladetenn6633

Жыл бұрын

@@f-22raptor25 I'll have to recheck my spreadsheet, but I think 99.99 is still only about 70 times. But yeah, they're well within 1 meter per second of lightspeed. I've been meaning to calculate exactly what speed they're going, but...I've been busy. Work, house, stuff...

@fryode

Жыл бұрын

Is it weird that I feel like going that fast would negate all my problems? "You didn't marry that girl. So what? Her and her further generations are long dead now, while you traveled through spacetime in what seemed like a few hours.

@firebladetenn6633

Жыл бұрын

@Fryode - The Fried Diode pros and cons. Yes, it would negate all your problems, but you'd essentially be starting over from nothing when you arrived in the future, because you'd likely have been presumed dead. Or, you could be part of a civilization that has people undergoing time dilation regularly, in which case it wouldn't solve your problems, but your first voyage would essentially be a permanent goodbye to everyone you know and love. Great Sci-fi concept that most people ignore... Also, I love your name.

@DoremiFasolatido1979

Жыл бұрын

They could've gone exactly at the speed of light. They were still using the quantum drive to do the flying, they just disabled the action that prevented them from experiencing time dilation. So they could've gone any velocity they wanted (within the capabilities of their drive). The only reason they didn't travel exactly at the speed of light, is because it would've been such a short trip from their perspective, they'd have no margin for error if something went wrong. It would've been near instantaneous from their point of view, and if they missed, bad times. So, they chose a velocity that would get things done quickly, but still give them time to respond if anything went sideways.

When not Star Trek is more Star Trek than Star Trek

@LGranthamsHeir

2 жыл бұрын

'Seth Trek' is far better than any of the 'Nu Trek' series 😆😉

@kevinthompson7649

2 жыл бұрын

@@LGranthamsHeir Strange New Worlds is okay

@deftrick

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly.

@matthewhuszarik4173

2 жыл бұрын

Sorry Orville isn’t Star Trek.

@GuiltyFaT

2 жыл бұрын

@@matthewhuszarik4173 Yeh...it's better

The music of this scene is epic!

@andreas4631

Жыл бұрын

So nostalgic

This scene made me finally understand time dilation.

So let me get this straight, there's this object hurtling towards Earth at near light speed for all of the Union's existence, and they somehow never noticed it?

@r.connor9280

2 жыл бұрын

Did notice and don't care as they could intercept at any time if it becomes a problem Plus sensors would prove it to be a ship of some sort that greatly resembles their own

@captscarlet8793

2 жыл бұрын

@@r.connor9280 and until they had ftl sensors,,, they would have trouble even detecting it at 99.9 percent light speed, by the time they "saw" it it's trip and the reason for it would arrive at almost the same moment. I imagine, the Union central at Earth, transmitting a message" who are you!! why does your signature resemble one of our ships that isn't supposed to be in this area! respond or be fired upon!" and then the Orville slows, and,,Du'Ohhhh! before that, earlier in most of union history, it was undetectable by non ftl sensors. Certainly,, it was moving too fast to be detectable by any tech our era has or conceivably would have except for an ftl breakthrough, and even after that in this verse, what if they weren't looking at that trajectory? Granted, that loophole if written into canon has awesome implications,,,, Like, how would almost light speed colony vessels, or ancient weapons from now defunct civilizations be countered? if it is,,,where you're pointing your sensors? at what point does a simple ram-scoop from a now defunct,ancient civ, who launched one at a potential rival 10 k years ago? I'd like to see more in-verse theorizing on what this epp means, since,,,they either (most likely) couldn't scan it or they weren't looking at that path if they could and at what point in the Union's FTL dev, Could they if sensors were aligned along that path or just generally have det4ected it? I mean, naturally it was mostly just an ep's throwaway explanation but, it's an opportunity for fandom and dev creativity here to flesh out the verse's lore. , 🤡Let's make shit reasons up now and poke the devs,,,to cover the stuff trek never did, cause we deserve the run trek has had. Even more so @Talking The Orville, @ Major Grin. ;)

@r.connor9280

2 жыл бұрын

@@captscarlet8793 Who's to say the study of this massive weirdly fast object didn't speed up the sensor/propulsion development of the Union and is a major backbone to its history. But yes, it is odd nobody mentioned it anywhere in record

@Kalebfenoir

Жыл бұрын

The fun part about relativistic speeds is that if something is coming at you at light-speed, even if you look deep into space to see it, you're seeing where it was 'back then'. So something one light-year away, you see where it was a year ago...but in truth it's far closer. If you look closer to home each time, reducing the distance, you'd see its after-image repeated until it got within a certain threshold where your perception meets up with the fact that the object is JUST behind the photons it's reflecting. If it's 8 light minutes away, like the sun is, it would take 8 minutes to 'see' it, in which time it's travelled even closer. So yeah. You wouldn't 'see' an incoming LS object until it hit the 1:1 ratio and became visible in real time. Everything else you saw to that point was 'in the past'. I think you might easily see it at the one light-hour threshold, but that still means what you saw was an hour old, and the object is now closer, at say, the light MINUTE radius. And it might be down to the light-second ratio by that time, because it takes 60 seconds for that Light Minute sighting to actually...well... be there. Speed and visual sight get REALLY funky both inside and outside light speed. Star Trek's 'Picard Maneuver' is pretty much that; they jumped to warp for like, 0.5 of a second, and dropped out elsewhere, but the afterimage of where they used to be would still exist until the photons of their warp jump caught up to the viewer. So for a few seconds there could be 'two' ships, even though one is a relativistic illusion of light.

@r.connor9280

Жыл бұрын

@@Kalebfenoir Plotting a heading/course of an object can be done with even that level of information so long as you know the mass, current speed, direction and in the case of vessels turning diameter and rate of acceleration. Predicting a cone of probable positions and maneuver's is within reasonable computing range.

I know this isn't one of the fancy battles or major story moments, but I still really love this scene

@pazman0784

10 ай бұрын

Do you know what episode this is?

Bortus’ slow turn after her comment is excellent in my opinion

This show is so awesome.

I know that the theory of relativity says that the closer you get to the speed of light the time for those in the ship will pass slower than for those in normal space-time. But would traveling 400 light years really only seem like minutes for those onboard?

@Alessandro-B

2 жыл бұрын

It could take less than 60 years to travel the whole of the observable universe if traveling extremely close to the speed of light (57 according to Carl Sagan in Cosmos), so, yes, 400 ly could even take seconds for the travelers if the relativistic speed was appropriate.

@spandanganguli6903

2 жыл бұрын

@@Alessandro-B What, that can't be true. The edge of the observable universe is billions of light years away.

@jaceacekalgoorlie

2 жыл бұрын

@@spandanganguli6903 so for us, a spacecraft traveling at near light speed would take billions of years to travel billions of light years. For the people on the ship only a tiny fraction of that time would elapse.

@fefnireindraer144

Жыл бұрын

@@Alessandro-B uhh no. we are seeing light from galaxies millions of years old. So its definitely not 60 years. Plus the universe is expending faster than the speed of light as galaxies we could see 50 years ago we no longer can see.

@firekraqr

Жыл бұрын

To quote another time traveling movie, "Time slows down as you approach the speed of light" -Flight of the Navigator. This is the difference between travelers time and observers time. It looks like, to us on Earth, that the Orville is just trucking along for 200 years in one direction. On the ship, time passes differently. It's a bit hard to get your head around it.

They didn't go plaid.... they need to go _FASTER_

@electrohalo8798

2 жыл бұрын

No no, ludicrous speed to slow!

@tzisorey

2 жыл бұрын

@@electrohalo8798

@michaelweigel8253

2 жыл бұрын

@@tzisorey Raise your hands if you want to go faster!

00:28 has some incredible music!

I get the Blue/Redshift thing but what about Green and Redshift when the Orville is viewed from the Outside/Front? Is it because of the Wavelength of Blue light then Becoming green?? Or is it just some Creative Freedom? Please Explain.

@leebannister3759

2 жыл бұрын

I think they passed through the Christmas Realm :D ha ha

@chadnine3432

2 жыл бұрын

It isnt' just red or blue colors. the entire spectrum is shifted. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relativistic_Doppler_effect

@Erich8101

2 жыл бұрын

@@chadnine3432 ahhh I see so the "Camera" was moving relativistic with the Orville so the light became green. Thx

@davfree9732

2 жыл бұрын

Green Lantern once ran from a space Green Lantern so he could fire a green energy beam... that distance shifted it's colour to yellow so he could take advantage of the yellow imperfection in the Green Lantern rings. Wrong continuity, but the principle keeps on appearing in other IP's.

@phillip1054

Жыл бұрын

they went to plaid XD

I believe that Kelly should have taken the family portrait to give to Gordon later but that's just me !!! Lol

@theforce243

2 жыл бұрын

I feel like that’s just twisting the knife in a stab wound, like this is what Gordon missed out on.

@dannyjones1639

2 жыл бұрын

@@theforce243 Well Sire; If, You Look At It In A Negative Way .

@jblonar

2 жыл бұрын

It wouldn't have existed after they went further back

@tonyblake7569

Жыл бұрын

I don't. Could you imagine finding out you had a family you loved and your friends erased them from existence? Oh then to add insult to injury they're like here's a picture of your loved ones we made sure you'll never meet, I know you have no feelings towards them but just wanted to make sure you knew you had a family that loved you until we changed that. It sucks but they did the right thing by not telling him the truth.

All that red and green...it's Christmas in July speed!

@stevel3620

2 жыл бұрын

It’s red/blue shift. When you get up towards light speed the frequencies of light you perceive are altered. Sources you’re moving towards Appear higher frequency, blue to our eyes, while sources moving away appear red (lower frequency). It’s the visible light equivalent of sound’s Doppler effect: IE picure an emergency vehicle (police, fire, ambulance, etc) with a siren driving past you. It’s pitch appears slightly higher while driving towards you, and seems to drop slightly once it starts driving away.

@spaceflight1019

2 жыл бұрын

@@stevel3620 , sure, but here's my theory on it, Fwiw. Visible light is just a frequency band on the electromagnetic spectrum. Moving away from a star at C should make it appear black because you are traveling at the same speed as the light. Traveling towards a star, the frequency of the visible light will increase until its frequency is above that of visible light. By the way, I have asked the folks who run the Large Hedron Collider if they have observed any physical evidence of increase of mass of the particles they accelerate to near-C. That was five years ago, and I'm still waiting for an answer.

@brianfeuerman1732

2 жыл бұрын

@@spaceflight1019 Yeah, the Orville never made it to the speed of light. It made it to 99.99999% the speed of light. They were traveling without the quantum bubble or whatever which made them susceptible to relativity and therefore couldn’t travel at the speed of light.

@spaceflight1019

2 жыл бұрын

@@brianfeuerman1732 Interesting. I remember the story of the first Cylon war after which the survivors fled and hid by achieving a significant fraction of C. The plot device was used as the foundation for Andromeda, where time aboard the ship was frozen as it circled a singularity.

@stevel3620

2 жыл бұрын

@@spaceflight1019 relativity doesn't work quite that way. its been a while since i took courses on it so i can't cite specific without diving back into a headache-intensive textbook, but unlike at low speeds you can't assume that equal speeds completely cancel out as if youre running on a treadmill and effectively staying in one place. moving frames of reference start to get iffy and nonlinear as you approach the speed of light.

"Space....The Final Frontier. These are the voyages of the Starship Orville. Its continuing mission: To continue the sci-fi adventures inspired by Gene Roddenberry's visions. To seek first contacts with strange new aliens and civilizations. To boldly go where no 'Nu Trek' has gone before!"

@ShamrockParticle

2 жыл бұрын

Third time's the charm?

@LGranthamsHeir

2 жыл бұрын

@@ShamrockParticle SNW seems to be well received by veteran Trekkies compared to the first two 'Nu Trek' series.

@kevinthompson7649

2 жыл бұрын

@@LGranthamsHeir Yeah it's okay. I was a kid when TOS was on btw

@theonlyjacknicole

2 жыл бұрын

A New Trek hater in the midst of positivity The Orville has. 🙃

@kevinthompson7649

2 жыл бұрын

@@theonlyjacknicole Especially considering Orville dives into the so called "woke" stuff easily as much a Trek ever has

They should have asked Q to send them back to the future...or maybe Doc Brown.

Cool song to go with this scene.

Am I the only one who waited for space ball one to fly over and some one to scream "they've gone plaid!"

Quantum drive is more akin to temporal laws and as such - unlike warp drive. Is more able to access timewarps.

What doesn't make sense to me is, wouldn't anyone else in the universe notice the spaceship moving incredibly slow for 400 years? Or is the fact that light speed travel caused them to be in-effectable? Which shouldn't be the case because they needed deflectors at full to make sure any amount of matter, even space dust wouldn't punch through the hull. Tourist attractions would say: come check out the frozen in time ship, at some point the union would be like "we don't know why this 400 year old slow ship has modern fleet designs" Logically speaking the Orville traveled through time, but not space. So everyone else in normal/space-time should have noticed this thing

@jatmo6991

Жыл бұрын

They both are moving light speed relatively to each other so no they would not see a slow ship.

@Spoopball

Жыл бұрын

@@jatmo6991 I might have been explaining it incorrectly but the orville traveled to another galaxy which took (in real time) 200 years. But "relatively" to the crew, it took seconds. The union had 200 years to notice the ship, and then another 200 years again to notice the ship on the return trip. The ship still existed in real space. Although you are 100% correct that I wasn't factoring in their speed of travel (speed of light) that fact that current day technology can track energy and signals traveling at that speed nowadays so lend credence to my assumption that the union shouldn't of had any problems doing it

@f-22raptor25

Жыл бұрын

@@Spoopball locking onto and looking at something near the speed of light is practically impossible. Its like trying to track an electron moving near the moon. Doing that at very small distances is already very hard to do We can really track signals. like you can observe a radio wave moving in front of you if it doesnt hit your receive you cant know its there, unless bounces off of something Now on union tech which is all hypothetical its possible their tech is mainly on quantum entanglement which changed as the ship has relativistic velocity. The scans can show something completely different

@ChrMuslimThor

Жыл бұрын

A single ship travelling in the vastness of space would be ridiculously hard too pick up.

@thedudejsb

Жыл бұрын

Maybe they did but by the time they had the technology to detect the ship they could have surmised what was happening and chose to leave it alone to avoid any cross time contamination. “Hey that ship is moving at near light speeds without a quantum field to avoid time di- ooooooh… we should probably ignore that for now.

"My God. They've gone disco!"

I guess they did not want us to forget about the red shift concept! 🤣

I dont know from which movie or webseries this scene is from. But can anyone tell what blue glowing thing was inside the space ship. I suppose thats the reason of power of space ships engine.

@VoidKai355

Ай бұрын

It's from the Orville Season 3 If I'm not Mistaken, The blue light are due to them Traveling at 99.999999% of speed of light with out the Quantum Buble and the ship is being subjected to einstein's theory of relativity. And if your talking about the lighting then it's always been that way it's the same colors as their Quantum Core.

The most Star Trek Star Trek that ever Star Trekked.

@PeterKnagge

2 жыл бұрын

🖖

@keiz5052

Жыл бұрын

i loved when captain kirk said ‘It’s trekkin’ time’ and trekked all over the borg

Комментарии улёт полный. Порадовали.

What episode was this?

Why does Ed always look like he was sticking his head out a port hole when they went to quantum? Asking for a friend.

Then they ran into a grain of silicon and 💥, end of episode!

@chadbizeau5997

2 жыл бұрын

They explained they poured all of their available power to their deflectors to mitigate that.

In a way it, reminded me the story of Bellerophon from the TV series Andromeda.

music's a little loud compared to the dialog -- but a good scene

Did they basically use the Back to the Future of time travel by just going really fast?

@FlagCutie

Жыл бұрын

Yup!

@francescosaporiti1431

Жыл бұрын

Well Seth MacFarlane was know also for being an huge fan of Back to the Future, so it is not unlikely

Wait..?? Did they just go "Plaid"?????

@mewletter

2 жыл бұрын

they have to due to time dilation they are experiencing ⌚😀

@DavidLS1

2 жыл бұрын

Judging from the red and green, they went Christmas.

@DavidLS1

2 жыл бұрын

Speaking of plaid (Spaceballs), I wonder if that's where Elon Musk got the name for his super fast Tesla?

@mab-qe5wh

2 жыл бұрын

Nope they went to ludicrous speed and pressed the do not use break .... 🤣🤣

Isn't like, everyone they ever knew dead now? Not that you would know everyone in such a large organization anyway, but your whole career's worth of contacts and friends are just *poof* gone.

@HelenLannister

3 ай бұрын

Orville was trapped 400 years in the past after their time travel device was destroyed. LaMarr had the idea of “taking the long way home”.

I will give The Orville $1 USD if you can add the line after "I don't have a good feeling about this" (+) "What could go wrong?"

Magnetic can stable inside

What Season and Episode is this?

@pazman0784

10 ай бұрын

Yea I want to know to.

@VoidKai355

Ай бұрын

I know it's from season 3 but I forgot what episode it is but my gues is it's from episode 2 or 3

This was a good idea but executed [not right]. The light should blue shift in the direction you are going and red shifts from the point all light has to catch up to you or you are leaving it behind. You will be looking into a black void going forward and a black void from behind as the light shifts beyond the visual spectrum.

@doormat1

Жыл бұрын

Finally somebody fucking said it. Their blue shift, red shift depiction is flawed. Thank you so much for recognizing that.

@DocWolph

Жыл бұрын

@@doormat1 That and in nature Green is an INCREDIBLY hard color for visible light to land on. Technically our Sun is green but it is almost impossible to see unless you are looking for "the Green Flash" at sunrise or sunset (It's real) or a very precise spectrometer.

Did somebody just make that word up?

@clarkkent1880

2 жыл бұрын

Nope. It's an actual word

but like, if you were in trouble and under attack, you could always just do this for a second and jump a week or two into the future and all the bad guys would have probably gone away =P

@DavidLS1

2 жыл бұрын

Clever thinking. The Enterprise could have done that on many occasions.

@DavidLS1

2 жыл бұрын

No wait, that wouldn't work. The enemy ships would just track and destroy them while they were trying to escape at sub-light speeds.

@ReddwarfIV

2 жыл бұрын

@@DavidLS1 Yeah. They could FTL ahead and drop a debris field that would destroy the fleeing vessel.

@DavidLS1

2 жыл бұрын

@@ReddwarfIV Never been done.

@VulpisFoxfire

2 жыл бұрын

Or they could lay a trap and blow you away as soon as you came out of the time-jump.

Why didn't time slow down for the Enterprise crew every time they traveled at high sub-light speeds? Also, in the vacuum of space, how did the Orville decelerate without the use of some sort of reverse thrusters on the front of the ship?

@carl160269

2 жыл бұрын

It did, whenever they used high impluse speeds the clocks had to be resynced.

@DavidLS1

2 жыл бұрын

@@carl160269 But they never found themselves years or decades ahead of where (when) they began.

@balrighty3523

2 жыл бұрын

Starfleet ships have two limits for impulse speeds, 1/4 c (to avoid relatistic effects from getting too out of hand) and the actual maximum speed the ship is mechanically capable of (for example, the E-D could get to 62% c, if they wanted to). Even when they limit themselves to a quarter of the speed of light, they still have to resync their clocks, but it's on the order of adding seconds and maybe minutes, not weeks, months, or years. They would have to do that for more significant fractions of the speed of light, but they just never put themselves in a situation where that becomes necessary.

@DavidLS1

2 жыл бұрын

@@balrighty3523 Too bad. If a crew member had a disease for which there was no cure, they could just travel into the future to a time when a cure might exist. Of course everyone they ever knew would be dead, but hey, no plan is perfect.

@jessrevill1852

2 жыл бұрын

Because all these stardrives use fantasy laws of physics.

So, does this mean the Union has active Time Travel capabilities now?

@KevinTheStranger

2 жыл бұрын

Relativistic time dilation is only good for traveling to the future, as it reduces your perceived time as you move close to the speed of light, you can't get to the past this way

@benjaminconnor6640

2 жыл бұрын

@@KevinTheStranger Okay, but where were they that they needed to move Forwards into the future like that?

@nigelft

2 жыл бұрын

@@benjaminconnor6640 Their present, our future ... Everything moves through space-time at the rate of 1/s². That means they can only travel through time, forwards. But, in both Einstein's Specal, and, especially, General, Relativity whilst the occupant looking out things appear slow (hence you can still see details ...), from an observer, you are moving pretty damn fast, to a point of almost blurry ... But at relativistic velocity, time behaves weirdly; in fact, the nearer the speed of light time slows, and may even stop altogether, as you're moving likely as fast as the universe is expanding by. Thus whilst the clock on the ship slows, the clock on the station remains the same; which means the crew has aged way more slowly, than the chronological time on the station. So by the time they get back, say, in seven years, everyone on that station has aged seven years, but the crew hasn't. They've fast forwarded into the future, whilst hardly aging. So that constant 'leaping into the future' means, every time they go back to 'real' space, they ought to be way older than they are, meaning their physical age is well out of sync with chronological age ... In short, they start at the present, but at within a fraction of the speed of light, the clock only becomes useful when in 'real' time, but, given the distance between stellar objects, by the time they get back, everyone has aged according to chronological time ... and that's not including interdimensional travel through wormholes ...

@spaceflight1019

2 жыл бұрын

@@nigelft forgive me, but when you said "fast forwarded into the future" the scene from Spaceballs popped up...

@benjaminconnor6640

2 жыл бұрын

@@nigelft Not to be rude, I kinda just wanted a plot synopsis for the episode

Relativistic velocity = transwarp.

only thing i don’t like about this show is it reminds me how sg1 got short at end with this ship looking.

Voltage grid need

At first, the spacecraft accelerates to the speed of light, whereby throughout the flight a universal protective shield is activated, through which all unpleasant and dangerous external influences are kept away, resp. neutralized. When the speed of light has almost been reached, the hyperdrive is activated, which makes the ship jump at a million and billion times the speed of light and allows it to enter hyperspace. On the one hand, due to this enormous acceleration, and on the other hand, due to the other procedures necessary for this purpose that are triggered by machines, equipment, appliances and electronics etc., the universal protective shield is automatically removed. Thus, an infinite expansion of the mass of the spacecraft and everything in it can occur, which means that there is a complete dematerialization of the spacecraft and crew, etc. In a millionth or billionth of a second, the gross matter is converted into pure energy, in an energy packet, which is transmitted to the destination, without any loss of time, in the hyperspace that overlaps the normal space. By the automatic re-materialization that takes place at the destination, which practically already happens at the exact moment after the start of dematerialization, the energy packet is converted back into the bodily condition, and in fact a billion times faster than an incoming lightning bolt. from the sky, as already explained earlier. By dematerializing and re-materializing in this seemingly impressive hyper-blitz operation, nothing is noticed by the spacecraft crew, and of course, no crew member is affected by any inconvenience, let alone injuries. After a transmission in hyperspace, after re-materialization, the spacecraft, of course, goes again, the furthest or remaining distance to the final destination, in normal space and in the form of gross material. When a spacecraft, with multiple light speed, by the jump enters the hyperspace, then not only occurs a huge shock of space structure and vibration impact, which can be registered at great distances of light years away, but also under Certain circumstances result in an attraction effect so immense that it can pull neighboring celestial bodies into hyperspace, from where they emerge again as dangerous and deadly projectiles, moving through space like comets, wandering planets or gigantic meteorites. This can happen when, for example, space travel novices create such risks due to ignorance and carelessness. 300 x 10^6 km/s. to the trillion times = 300 x 10^12 km/s.

ПЛОХО ЧТО ЧЕЛОВЕЧЕСТВО ТАК И НЕ СМОЖЕТ ТРАНСФОРМИРОВАТЬСЯ В ДРУГИХ СУЩЕСТВ НА ЗЕМЛЕ ДЛЯ ПЕРЕЛЕТА К ДРУГИМ ПЛАНЕТАМ ПОМОГИТЕ НАМ ЭТО СДЕЛАТЬ ЗЕМЛЯ ЭТА ДОСТАЛА УЖЕ

日本の戦隊モノでもそうだけど、数空くない女性隊員って、なぜか、皆揃いも揃って、若くて美人な人ばっかなんですよね（笑） 警察とか自衛隊（軍隊）とか警備会社とかの、敬礼する職場の女性って、経験者だからわかるけど、事務職以外は、大抵、男勝りな、ごっつい不美人系の方が、圧倒的に多数派だと思うんですが(´∀｀)

0:28 - 2:07 This is a more realistic portrayal of time travel in sci-fi, better than riding through a black hole a la in "Discovery" and hitching a ride with the Borg Queen in "Picard" 😃😄

@EnterpriseKnight

2 жыл бұрын

because you're time traveled before, that's how you know it.

@WestAirAviation

2 жыл бұрын

@@EnterpriseKnight He has. Everyone travels time forward. That's how we know the effects. Blueshift in front, redshift in back. Games like Space Engine can even show you how it looks when gravity is causing the effects.

@compmanio36

2 жыл бұрын

@@WestAirAviation Only nitpick would be, wouldn't everything in front of them be blue, and everything behind be red? Instead of the streaks being red and a blue aura in the distance? Since everything coming towards them would be blueshifted....everything they're seeing should be blue. Aft view would be all red.....

@nigelft

2 жыл бұрын

@@compmanio36 You both said exactly the same thing, just in two different ways: anything approaching them would be blueshifted in front, then redshifted aft, to the point it becomes invisible ... So, yes ... you're both right ... That being said ... The stars still far ahead of them will still be redshifted as, even at relativistic velocity, the photons still take enough time to be observed, thus making them still appear redshifted. Once once the ship 'closes the gap' does suddenly the redshifted star become blue shifted, as the distance suddenly closes, effectively decreasing the wavelength to Viz then UV. As the whole point of relativistic travel is to create a bubble where space-time in front is compressed, cased by the force of it being expanded against at the rear; due to energy-mass equivalency, there is circular effect of dumping so much energy at the back, it becomes mass, which all pushes against the fabric of space-time. I'm just a (very ...) amateur astronomer, but dumping that much energy, which, out in 'real' space, there's only one atom/cm³, means you almost have to create enough energy to distort space-time itself, in order, rather like high pressure expanding gases propels a bullet out of a barrel, you need enough energy to force against space-time ... likely gravitational forces causing the vessels to being of less weight, same mass, but, despite that, the gravitational expansion, almost piling up the distortion of space-time behind, is enough to overcome even the mass, that propelling the ship forward. Thus, by warping space-time, that redhift changes to blueshift one that gap is closed. But, once the blue shifted stars recede, the wavelength of those photons goes back to being redshifted ... Thus: Darkish red -> lightish red -> purple ‐> blue ‐> purple -> lightish red -> darkish red. Note: I attempted to make the arrows shorter then longer to show the effects of compression than expansion caused by that bubble of curved space-time around the ship ... If that makes sense ...

@WestAirAviation

2 жыл бұрын

@@nigelft One small thing: there is no bubble. They accelerated without a warp bubble to experience time dilation.

This show's Quantum Drive looks like it works a lot like the Quantum Slipstream Drive that was introduced on Star Trek Voyager. But this show is vastly superior to Voyager in almost every way.

"Mark -- on your mark!" Star trek sucks!

Writers continue to fail to understand the true impact the theory of relativity would have an on a civilization that wished to travel beyond the Sol system. Aka, its impossible. Not in the sense that ships couldn't travel outside of the system, not that technology couldn't advance enough to make it possible. No. Its the issue with time itself. If a ship traveling faster than light doesn't experience time in the same manner, as say Earth or a colony, then the issue becomes a major one. Lets say Earth creates a colony in Alpha Centauri, a supply ship traveling even faster than light would never make it to the colony in time before the colony ran out of supplies, due to the time dilation. Even if the colony was launched with the monumental amount of supplies necessary to survive the gap between supply ships, you then run into the issue of expenses and material costs for that supply ship. What if some failure or issue arises that depletes some or all of the supplies? There is no hope of saving that colony. Unlike say on Mars, where in an emergency, supplies could be rationed to hold out until emergency supplies could be sent from Earth. But that is only the tiniest tip of the iceberg. The real issue is the constant change of culture, society, politics, wars, shifting of territories, etc. If 300 years passes for the colony ship to make it to Alpha Centauri, can they even be guaranteed a supply ship will/has been sent? Has the politics changed to the point that no one cares about a long forgotten colony ship any longer? Is the country/political entity that launched the ship even in power any longer? Were they conquered or annihilated by a rival power? Do the people even care? Is money available, even if people care? Basically, science fiction out of necessity, has to ignore the theory of relativity because by its very nature, relativity dooms travel outside of our solar system. That or the find convenient ways around it. You can't simply play by its rules or else are forced to suffer the above catastrophic issues.

@f-22raptor25

Жыл бұрын

Space travel in this form would not be possible. When time manipulation(space time) becomes a thing and allows faster than light travel then yeah. Theres no way around relativistic effects tech just needs to advance enough for spacecrafts to be able to travel without the need to actually move

@lazarus2691

Жыл бұрын

The simple answer is that you *don't* rely on supply ships. The initial colony ship/fleet should carry everything it needs to be self sufficient. There's no shortages of resources there, you simply need the equipment to process them. If you can produce new equipment faster than the old equipment breaks down, then you're self sufficient. Also, your understanding of relativity is incorrect. The only limitation that relativity imposes is the speed of light itself - time dilation doesn't matter in this scenario. Time dilation only affects those on board the ship - as far as the colony itself is concerned, a ship doing 90% light speed will still travel the 4.4 light years to them in under 5 years of their time.

@thedudejsb

Жыл бұрын

Every sci-fi show needs a significant amount of hand waving to account for the story they need to tell. They aren’t ignorant to the problems, they simply don’t have the time and we don’t have the current technology understanding to explain it.

I love this show, but this is not how it would work. If you fly at 99.99% the speed of light, yes the time dilation would be different, but 200 light years away would still take you 200 years to get to at the speed of light.

@chadbizeau5997

2 жыл бұрын

Not at relativistic velocities. It can actually just take days or hours from the perspective of the traveller.

@chadnine3432

2 жыл бұрын

That was the point. It took them 400 years to travel to and from the target star. From their perspective, the trip was only a few minutes. From the perspective of an observer on earth, it took them 400 years to make the journey.

I love the Orville, but I thought this was a pretty stupid way to end what was other wise a fantastic episode...

@moniquedaughtry

2 жыл бұрын

????

@AWriterWandering

2 жыл бұрын

I thought it was pretty smart actually. Their time machine is busted, so they used relativity to get back. Einstein would be proud.

@f-22raptor25

Жыл бұрын

nah it makes sense

@more-reasons6655

Жыл бұрын

I weep for your education if you think using actual science principles in a Sci Fi show is stupid (Sci stands for science just so you are aware)

@WayneCatlin

Жыл бұрын

@@more-reasons6655 Thanks for your ignorant comment!! Where did I state that using actual science in a science fiction show is stupid??