I have never seen such nuanced and objective look at the whole Israeli Palestinian conflict before. The fact that dr Abramson does not let his emotional attachments or religious devotion cloud his judgment on such an emotionally burning issue makes him a true scholar and a rare voice of reason in these times of chaos. I deeply wish that more of my fellow Arabs access this material. Much love.

@shaishvalbknowtheland6529

8 ай бұрын

Those "territories beyond the Green Line" are called in my history, which happens to be yours as well, Judea and Samaria, the cradle of the Jewish faith. I was surprised you failed to mention that the PLO was established in 1964, BEFORE the 1967 war. So the question, at least to me, is: what part of Palestine did they want to liberate?! They simply wanted to obliterate the Jewish state. The harsh fact is that those people refuse, and still do, to accept any Jewish existence here, in the Land of our ancestors, EITHER on the east side of the Green Line OR along the western part, governed by Israel before 1967. Simply no Jews around!

@Klopp2543

7 ай бұрын

​@@shaishvalbknowtheland6529 that's false. Palestinians acknowledged UN resolution 242 alongside international law all demand Israel withdraws to 1967 borders. Palestinian state created on 22% of the land. Israel rejects it. Every year the UN general assembly debates it and Israel, US and 2 islands reject it while the rest of the world affirms it!

@rosalindpaaswell9513

6 ай бұрын

@shaishvalbknowtheland6529 If you listen to these presentations carefully, there are some key underlying themes: 1. each side sees and presents the very same history completely differently and of course cites history to defend its positions. 2. each side distorts the narrative, or omits certain key points, or sees the various narratives differently. 3. each side is bent on proving the other wrong or lying or ignoring the truth 4. Each side refuses to acknowledge the other although each has solid claims. it doesn't matter that the identification of "Palestinian" was forged in the post-partition struggle. It doesn't matter that so many Jews came from other lands to reclaim their patrimony. Unless we stop walking into this maelstrom of violence firmly fixed on the past, there will never be peace or security. Soar to 5 miles above earth and see there are two peoples, with two solid claims, who for now cannot possibly live together. We are either stuck in that doom loop or we move forward with 2 states. p.s. I am a Zionist, fervent supporter of Israel, with Israeli grandchildren and a profound belief in the justice of our cause.

@Klopp2543

6 ай бұрын

@@rosalindpaaswell9513 PLO in 1988 recognised Israel. Israel only recognised PLO as the legitimate representative of Palestinians. Israel didn't recognise Palestine or Palestinians as a people. 2. How does Palestinians distort or omit their narrative? 3. Their Is a huge problem of power. Palestinians are occupied, weak and divided while israel is the strongest military, economy and diplomatically is backed by USA and the west. Palestinians don't enjoy any of that. Implying comparison is wrong 4. Palestinians have made huge compromise in pursuing peace. UN awarded Palestinians 45% of historical Palestine. Palestinians accepted UN resolution 242, international law,Arab initiative etc and 22% of the land. So does over 180 countries worldwide. Israel hasn't made a single compromise and rejects Palestinians right to 22% and demands Palestinians compromise more? If possible can you give me the israeli point of view of why the political leadership is adamant against the 2 state solution and Palestinian state and what do they propose happens to Palestinians and Israeli occupation?

@rosalindpaaswell9513

6 ай бұрын

@@Klopp2543 I can't educate you; there are too many errors in your post (I assume with good will that they are errors, not lies). Really, these youtube presentations give a full and balanced account of the history, and direct the listener to more sources. You should hear them out. But on just one point. There were many offers of statehood by Israel. Were they perfect? No. But the last one, at Camp David, was pretty good. Arafat just stopped the discussions and left. Not too much later, he retired to Switzerland and died there some time later, a millionaire. He could have negotiated more but in later (friendly) biographies it appears that he was afraid to take the deal back to his people. But for history, please listen to the presentations. Both narratives are given, even when they conflict, and the listener is advised to look further into sources. By the way, the very first offer of a Palestinian state was in 1947. That was rejected by every Arab nation, who declared many wars in order to push Jews into the sea. Everything was downhill for the Palestinians after the first war, as much at the hands of their Arab brothers--who clearly couldn't have cared less about them -- as Israel. Wars have consequences, including the right to administer occupied territory. And you do remember, don't you, that both Gaza and the West Bank were in Arab hands for almost 20 years. I leave you to contemplate why not one step was taken to create a new state. (hint: "Wait, we're still going to drive the Jews into the sea.") The West Bank was ethnically cleansed of Jews. Jewish cemeteries were paved over, and no Jews were allowed in to Jerusalem. And if you have just a little more bandwidth for a part of this story, here's a quote from a Palestinian leader in 1977 which may help explain why no Arab party was ever interested in actually creating a Palestinian state: Zuheir Muhsin, a senior member of the PLO’s Executive Council, said this in an interview with a Dutch Newspaper. Trouw. "We consider ‘Palestine’ as part of Arab Syria, as it has never been separated from it at any time. We are connected with it by national, religious, linguistic, natural, economic, and geographical bonds.” He further said: “There are no differences between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. We are part of one people, the Arab nation. Look, I have relatives with Palestinian, Lebanese, Jordanian and Syrian citizenship. We are one people. Just for political reasons we carefully subscribe to our Palestinian identity, because it is of national importance for the Arabs to encourage the existence of the Palestinians against Zionism. Yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity is only there for tactical reasons. A Palestinian state is a new means of continuing the struggle against Israel and for Arab unity.

It’s so refreshing to hear someone speaking of the subject who is educated on the topic and not trying to appeal to emotion or include bias rhetoric

Very good presentation without bias or inflammatory statements. This presenter sights his sources and defines his own background. I can recommend this material as reliable for constructing a foundational understanding of this very complex history.

@HenryAbramsonPhD

8 ай бұрын

Thanks, you described exactly what I was hoping to achieve with this short presentation.

Thank you so much for this series. I’m looking forward to Part 3. Many Blessings to you and your family.

As always you present history in a clear, cogent and accessible manner. I am approaching 70 years of age and I remember many of the events you discussed and I always try to share your videos because they are so very informative.

@HenryAbramsonPhD

7 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing

I am so glad I found you Professor as a Polish Jew I’ve missed so much of the history I am catching up now

@halifaxeh

4 ай бұрын

You should watch professors Ilan Pappe and Rasheed Khalidi.

Thank you for a clear, concise, balanced view without the emotional frenzy.

You have an amazing God-given gift, Henry, of summarizing very complex issues and making them accessible.

@HenryAbramsonPhD

7 ай бұрын

Thank you.

Excellent once again. Definitely looking forward to Part 3. Already Parts 1 and 2 on social media.

@HenryAbramsonPhD

8 ай бұрын

Glad you found them helpful

Rational discussion among people of good will...that is something exceedingly rare in today's world where the extremists suck all the oxygen out of the room.....but one cannot give in to the extremists and we must always at least strive to bring in a measure of sane discourse..... I love how you disclose your biases right up front, and that you make a genuine heart felt effort to walk in the shoes of those with whom you may be ideologically opposed. Blessings sir, I subscribed and look forward to viewing more of your content.

Excellent quality in this delivery of the timeline of the enormously complex conflict. Thank you Professor. I am absolutely delighted by the opportunity to listen to your work. Looking forward to part 3.

Thanks for the second part. Although I know this conflict from the inside, if I may say, it is good to hear it from academic perspective. I am second generation of jews migrated(Aliya) from morocco, born in the late 60's and raised in the religious zionist society(Zionut Datit). I was a soldier during the first intifada and had a lot of interactions with Palestinian population in the WB, but even earlier I understood that the best solution for long lasting peace would be the 2 state solution, which was not so popular in the environment I grew up. I personally met Rabin as he visited our group of soldiers while he was the Minister of Defense at that time, and I truly believed his path to achieve peace. Back to today, I cannot say that I neglected at all the 2 state solution, but my feeling is that the hatred on both sides is so huge, mostly on the Palestinian side fueled via formal education, that 2 state solution is a way far from achievement.

@halifaxeh

4 ай бұрын

Mostly on the Palestinian side because of education??? This is an extremely biased statement. If you suffered the way that the Palestinians have, particularly Gazans - apartheid, no freedom of movement, no self-determination, food and medical supplies blockaded, abuse at checkpoints, risk of unlawful detention and torture at any turn, risk of your land/property being stolen by settlers, and on and on - you’d just be ok with that? It would take the education system to make you think something is wrong? Please! It’s the Zionist propaganda that has made you make such a statement. Can you honestly say that genocide is the answer? Can you honestly say that what’s going on in the WB with over 700,000 settlers and growing and the way they’ve carved up area C to make it so difficult for Palestinians is ok? If your answer to either is yes, you need to review your moral compass.

@Yoramsw1

4 ай бұрын

@@halifaxeh I can see that you are totally adopt the palestinian narrative. You are the biased here, you are ignoring palestinian terror attacks, refusal of palestinian leaders to peace treaties, the vast support of palestinian population on terror organizations(and there are many), and I can go on and on. You probably not aware what education materials are used in the Gaza strip and the WB, you can compare it only to Nazi propaganda in the 1930's. I am not saying that israeli goverments did not made mistakes along the years, but there were several goverments that genuinely strive for peace. This is something I cannot say on palestinian side.

@halifaxeh

4 ай бұрын

@@Yoramsw1 The Palestinians have refused agreements because they were never fair - including Oslo! There was no self-determination, only continued occupation.

Outstanding video. Very balanced.

@HenryAbramsonPhD

8 ай бұрын

Thank you for the kind words. Glad you found it useful.

@npgibson69

8 ай бұрын

Agreed. Amazing he can fit that into 30 minutes.

Another excellent lecture. I’m learning so much. Thank you, Henry.

Always love your videos Dr Abramson. Always jam packed with content & delivered in a way where I feel you are aiming to be as balanced & as factual as possible.

Thank you for making this! I look forward to part 3!

@HenryAbramsonPhD

8 ай бұрын

Thank you.

Thanks for a balanced and insightful Presentation Henry. Regards, Dr. Haider

@HenryAbramsonPhD

8 ай бұрын

Glad it was helpful

Thank you so much for tackling this issue with sensitivity. Ive been following your lessons since way before the pandemic. That has provided me with a much deeper appreciation of so many issues.

@HenryAbramsonPhD

8 ай бұрын

I’m glad to be helpful

@matthewsainsbury2367

8 ай бұрын

​@@HenryAbramsonPhD Thank you mr Abramson for this imformative discussion on this on going crisis🇮🇱🇵🇸🕎im glad as the Hanukkah festival is approaching theres been a slow down of this conflict and the return of hostages ,im going to check youre archive on previous lectures as ive seen people make a claim that jews of today more decend from a kingdom that converted to judaism called khazaria ,theres some rumbling on that i see online but truth in fact following the great diaspora that accourd after 🗡Rome by titus in 70 ce and 135 ce jews where scattered all over the mediterranean and europe they had many hardships and many would have intermarried with other cultures as well ,the arch of Titus proves despite the naysayers that Jews lived there in antiquity and the Temple was sacked by Romes legions ,🤔sometimes i wonder how that land would have looked like if the war and dispersion of jews didnt occur in 70 ce how things in that land would be today Happy upcoming Hanukkah to you🕎

@matthewsainsbury2367

8 ай бұрын

​@@HenryAbramsonPhD the last major war that israel 🇮🇱faced near this time was waaay before my time the Yom kippur war i saw a movie on golda meir israels first female prime minster ,she was asked a question by students about the conflict in that region🇮🇱💥she told the young students quote "When the arabs love their children more than they hate us thats when Peace will come"

@nick.caffrey

6 ай бұрын

@@matthewsainsbury2367 That's quite a warlike statement when you look at the implications!

GREAT video. Thank you for sharing good primary sources and analysis in what to me appears to be balanced. We all have our own biases and our own prejudices. Acknowledging that is the first step to getting a truer understanding of any issue.

@halifaxeh

4 ай бұрын

Are you willing to listen to professors Ilan Pappe or Rasheed Khalidi?

Been waiting for this since the last part. Thank you Sir!

With all due respect, methinks the 700,000 “Palestinian” Arab refugees cannot be seen in isolation from the similar number of Jews expelled from Arab countries. Considered together, you have an involuntary population exchange (like you had in the wake of the Greek-Turkish war of the early 1920s) not a one-sided refugee problem. Also, refugee status is not usually hereditary- unless it is, of course, as a demographic weapon against the Jewish state (and for the worse than useless UNRWA to justify their jobs)

@HenryAbramsonPhD

8 ай бұрын

See part 1

@beans4853

8 ай бұрын

Although it was mentioned in part 1, I feel like it needs to be talked about more and if it's not at least mentioned every time the Palestinian refugees are mentioned it gives an uneven view

I appreciate very much the objective, factual information. You're telling it very even-handedly (probably not everyone would agree) and as you say, you can't fit all of the events and history here. One important fact that's missing for me -- it's implied but should be clearly stated -- is that Israel never allowed the refugees to come back to their homes, which were either demolished or handed over to Israelis ... like the elegant homes in Jerusalem. This is just another element in the picture that people should clearly see as it surely explains some of the pain and resentment that Palestinians feel. Thanks for your teaching; I appreciate the information!

@HenryAbramsonPhD

6 ай бұрын

Thanks for the comment. See Benny Morris on the argument you raise.

@josephtein3835

6 ай бұрын

@@HenryAbramsonPhD Hi Henry. Thank you for your response ... but it's too vague! I have no idea what to look for or where, in Benny Morris ' writings. Can you please state your point (response to my comment) right here?

@josephtein3835

6 ай бұрын

@@HenryAbramsonPhD Henry.. still waiting for your answer ... can you give details please?

@halifaxeh

4 ай бұрын

You should watch profs Ilan Pappe and Rasheed Khalidi for your answer. Benny Morris was once less biased but he has since moved right and is very much a Zionist anti-Palestinian now.

Thank you for your explanation of this challenging situation. However, I didn't hear anything about the Jewish refugees in 1948 who were forced out of the Arab countries by many Arab leaders at the beginning of the invasion by the Arabs. These Jewish refugees were families who, for generations, were living in the Arab lands since the Roman Empire's invasion 2,000 years before. These refugees were forced out with just the shirts on their backs, and were approximately the same in number as the Arab refugees who left the Jewish areas. These Jewish refugees were placed in tents in Israel until housing could be developed for them. This means that in 1948 there was an exchange of refugees. Israel absorbed their Jewish refugees, and accepted them as citizens, while the Arab countries put their Arab refugees into refugee camps and kept them in those camps for almost 20 years.

@HenryAbramsonPhD

8 ай бұрын

Please see part 1.

@myraestelle4235

8 ай бұрын

Thanks for mentioning the Jewish refugees in Part 1.@@HenryAbramsonPhD

@halifaxeh

4 ай бұрын

Do you realize that the UN told the Arab countries to send their Jewish people to Israel? And that the Mizrahi Jews were often treated very badly by the Ashkenazi Jews? Many of the Moroccan Jews went back because they had a much better life in Morocco.

Excellent!!! I am happy to have found you too !!!

Excellent analysis of the both traditions in Israel and the conditions that led to the situation we have today. Stepping through this complex analysis with so many seperate and distinct interestss , and in particular the religious elements to both sides was both fascinating and enlightening. I was particularly struck by how Dr. Abramson's analysis at no time apperared to me as if he was forcefully pushing or selling any particular point of view but rather in a calm rational and logical manner laying out the dicothomy of two peoples to include the hazards, misgivings and misjudgement on both sides. Clearly, Dr. Abramson's allegiance is both to his faith and his country Israel but he is very cognisant of the mechanics that have led to the Arab populations position or more accuratlely positions of the various factions. I would hope that the future of the region can be settled so all parties can live in peace and enjoy this uniquely beautiful part of the world and it is with voices like Dr. Abramson that will greatly contribute to that peace. I look forward to listening in on your follow up video installments.

I like this rational, objective approach to recounting the main events of this conflict.

Fantastic explanation Mr. Abramson....clear, succinct and highly informative...I throughly enjoyed this two part discussion as I'm sure many others did...Shalom!

Promoting "rational discussion between people of goodwill" is a great motivation for these excellent videos.

Dr Abrahamson, you are well balanced in your judgements. Thank you sir.

You do relate pertinent history to the situation in Israel/Palestine here. What is not as well understood is the larger context. Importantly, the entry of the USSR into the region via Egypt Syria and Iraq has been the greatest force behind Arab rejection of Israel. The reactionary movements including the PLO were fostered directly by the USSR. Because the Arab Israeli conflict was front and center in the Cold War, it was destined to be unresolved. That is not emphasized enough. Since 1979 Islamic revolution, Iran has been rising and has replaced USSR as the leader of the rejection front. In summary, I believe that focusing overwhelmingly on the narrow processes within Israeli and Palestinian Arab societies and entities fails to give an adequate understanding of the dynamic of the situation.

@HenryAbramsonPhD

8 ай бұрын

I agree, the role of the USSR in this conflict is hugely important. It's challenging, however, to balance all the relevant factors in a 30-minute presentation. I do refer to it in the years leading up to Oslo.

Thank you so much for this professor. You are a voice of reason and a blink of hope in this darkest of hour in the middle east.

@HenryAbramsonPhD

8 ай бұрын

Thank you. Let us hope for progress.

What a remarkable achievement this lecture is, and how lucky are were to be able to enjoy it for free; thank you so very much Professor Abramson!

@HenryAbramsonPhD

5 ай бұрын

I'm glad you found it helpful

A remarkably balanced review from an academic historian. Missing some of the spirit that has been animating this conflict though. As earlier commenters noted, there are important contexts that were omitted. This is a crush of civilizations and should be framed as such in order to understand the impasse. The good professor is staying out of trouble by not wading into religion, honor culture and superstition as primary drivers of Arab behavior. Their consistently articulated goal is not own statehood but that Jews should not have one. This policy have likewise governed other Arab states of maintaining the refugee problem against natural expectations of the times. This has to highlighted. It’s also imperative to bring in more detail a wider geopolitical context, of USSR destabilizing emerging states among the rise of anti-colonial and religious extremism. This decades long effort has resulted in shaping Western Left rhetoric on Palestine. Dishonorable mention should also be made of UN agencies and wider international community, that set up the Palestinian refugee as a permanent national identity with the Resistance being its only respectable self actualization. Lastly, please enlighten us in more detail on frictions in Israeli society that contributed to policy making. There is an erroneous perception out there that the state of Israel is singularly driven by some kind of genocidal creed. Pains should be taken to explain evolution of public opinion of the fractured Israeli democracy (punctuated by various existential crises) into state policy and decision making. Despite any criticism, please know that I always enjoy your content but want just more if it. Longer classes in more detail and contexts. Thank you very much

@Klopp2543

7 ай бұрын

Did you allege Palestinians love occupation, oppression and being stateless? For real?

@halifaxeh

4 ай бұрын

This is such a biased request for information that fits your narrative? What about US/UK interference in the “post-colonial” world?” Has Russia rigged as many electrons as the US and UK? Israel is a theocracy, not a true democracy. The US and Russia are oligarchies at this point.

Your insights into the history of the conflict are much appreciated.

What a great lecture, I am not going to nit-pick, because now I understand why you are awesome! you are Canadian 🇨🇦😎

Incredibly helpful informative and useful. Thank you so very much.

Dr Abrahamson. Art historian here and just thought I would listen to see how you would narrate this history. Excellent public service work here. And I may add ... That's quite a poignant read of the first intifada photograph of the boy hurling a rock at the tank. I just so happen to be doing my first lecture of the term for History of Photography in a few hours and I may just show it and give you a citation! (Hopefully half will already know the David/Goliath narrative but of those few will know it described Israelites and Philistines ) I admire what you are doing with this channel. We need to do more of this public outreach in the US.

@HenryAbramsonPhD

6 ай бұрын

Thank you for the kind words of support.

@RobespierreThePoof

6 ай бұрын

​​@@HenryAbramsonPhD you likely already know this but the AP photograph of the boy was subsequently used by the PLO in agitational propaganda. I found a poster with the caption "Israel kills children" in English. This is direct evidence for what you were saying the media effect of the intifada was - essentially "propaganda of the deed" if I can paraphrase it that way. Let's hope the situation in Gaza pushes this eternal conflict closer to an end. Greetings from NJ by the way. I see you are in Brooklyn. :)

I don't remember how I found your channel, but I'm so glad I did. As a Jew who is still grappling with her relationship to Zionism & the modern state of Israel while supporting the rights of Palestinians, I have found your videos very balanced & informative. Since October 7th it has been very hard to be in either Jewish spaces or Palestinian-activist spaces because no one is willing or able to discuss this complex history with nuance. Thank you for these videos.

@HenryAbramsonPhD

6 ай бұрын

You are most welcome.

I love this guy. Super cool and level headed just like a Canadian. lol. I really appreciate the way he's going about this just because I think it'll be easier for most people to digest

I enjoy your mastery of Jewish history. It is a pleasure to be able to learn from you.

@HenryAbramsonPhD

5 ай бұрын

Thank you very much.

In case you didn't know, "des" also means "some" in French. "Je voudrais de glâce." (I would like SOME ice cream)

Great Video, Thank You.

@HenryAbramsonPhD

8 ай бұрын

Thank you as well.

Such a complex history but when neatly packed is much easier to understand. Thank you! So even before the holocaust the Jewish people knew they needed a safe homeland and the holocaust made it an imperative. In the west today most people don't know that even before the formation of the State of Israel the Jewish people already living there had a battle on their hands. Yet they chose to proceed knowing it wouldnt be easy. I always thought it only started after Israel became a sovereign nation. What I still dont understand is why the Arabs were so compassionless towards a peoples who had lost 6 million loved ones and were now desparately in need of a homeland. How could the Arabs have continued to attack them before, during and after that horrific trauma. That inhumanity is deeply disturbing to me.

@user-ee9iz6jp6y

2 ай бұрын

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Thank you for your continued cogent and informative commentary on the current events happening in Isreal and Gaza. As the saying goes...shedding more light than heat on the matter.

@halifaxeh

4 ай бұрын

Have you listened to professors Ilan Pappe or Rasheed Khalidi? I highly recommend their work.

He is the best historian, the most unbiased, I wish everyone was so neutral and willing to understand both sides

@HenryAbramsonPhD

5 ай бұрын

Thank you.

@HenryAbramsonPhD Always a pleasure learning something new from you professor. I need a bachelors before pursuing rabbinical/cantorial school. Would love to learn more… Thank you kindly for enlightening us in an academic setting.

@HenryAbramsonPhD

8 ай бұрын

Glad you found this useful. Touro offers many bachelors degrees, please check our website.

@GerryAlann

8 ай бұрын

@@HenryAbramsonPhD Definitely! Thank youuuuu Professor 👍🏼🙏🏼😊

I will now listen to part 3 to see if I need to amend some of my comments. I appreciate a good even tempered discussion, even though I disagree with much that is said. We are taught not to speak about politics or religion, but I think it is important to do so in a thoughtful and reasoned way.

The end of your talk was very painful for me. And then there's hope indeed. Peace be with you. Amen.

I am thoroughly enjoying your lectures. I appreciate your objectivity.

@HenryAbramsonPhD

3 ай бұрын

Glad to hear that!

I changed my view on the question between the 90:ies and now through studies on the 'Holy land'. For me knowledge made it all.

Norman Finkelstein's book "Image and Reality" should also be read in the spirit of what you mentioned in the beginning about re-evaluating history from new information/research.

Well presented sir

@HenryAbramsonPhD

8 ай бұрын

Thank you

Thank you for this explanation, Dr Abramson.

@HenryAbramsonPhD

2 ай бұрын

Glad it was helpful

Prof. Henry, great to hear you doing this. I am trying to reconcile the situation established by the League of Nations and inherited by the UN that accepted that Jews would develop close settlement in Palestine with the reality that immigration and settlement by Jews was curtailed by the British. It appears to me that the Jewish catastrophe was that the mandate system worked fairly well for many nationalities and peoples that were freed from empires, but sadly did not work for the Jews in Palestine. The original Mandate was subdivided into two states, Jordan (Trans-Jordan) and Palestine. The Arab rejection for the fulfillment of a Jewish homeland in Palestine is the root cause for the hundred year war. The Arab Palestinians would have succeeded and developed as a people and a culture had the Arab leadership in the Middle East accepted the Jewish homeland paradigm.

@HenryAbramsonPhD

8 ай бұрын

Thanks for the kind words @NCSCsailor, good to see you on the channel again.

@Dragonfly657

8 ай бұрын

Thank you for this lesson. There’s so much history in Israel I hope they preserve it all. Looking forward to the next lesson. Thank you, Frida

@yusefkhan1752

8 ай бұрын

Actually it’s the European refusal for a Palestinian homeland in the Middle of Europe that is the the main problem. I believe the issue is to divide Southern Germany in half(southern Germany isnt a country therefore the people there don’t exist) and give 78% to the Palestinians. This will end the Middle eastern conflict overnight.

@yusefkhan1752

8 ай бұрын

@@HenryAbramsonPhDhi. I’m a Palestinian Christian and admire Germany’s ability to defend themselves from terrorism and deal with their pest control problems in the 1940s. Wonderful to see the peace that Europe has enjoyed ever since their pest control campaign. We should learn the same. Why is Ursula Haverbeck in jail when Salman Rushdie is a hero? When Jerusalem is liberated we will name streets after her.

@Cfish613

8 ай бұрын

@@yusefkhan1752seriously…..? Do you view what Israel is doing now in Gaza as “pest control”? My point is that what goes around comes around, this is true for everyone in the world you can’t say that a massacre of millions of people including many non Jews is “pest control”. While bitching about Israel killing civilians (in my mind unfortunately) the two don’t work together try and work for the sake of Jesus to achieve peace and love for all!!

commenting just for the algo so it gets recommended to more people. This is how history should be thought all over the world... every war from all perspectives.

I Knew "good ole" Henry was gonna present a remedial tall tale. Bravo Henry!

I am surprised you referenced Beni Morris. There are very few that are willing to look to history in an unbiased way. We may have our feelings, but we can’t achieve piece without acknowledging history. Good presentation Professor Abramson!

@Offa7a

8 ай бұрын

Benny Morris is Bias

@halifaxeh

4 ай бұрын

Are you willing to learn from profs Ilan Pappe or Rasheed Khalidi?

Emotions and psychology are the drivers of human action that being said has it ever been attempted to find a solution to this conflict via psychology rather than a logical rational technical solution? You brought up a good point about Jews feeling afraid and insecure as a result of past persecution needing a state of their own to alleviate this fear. Many Palestinians feel anger and resentment because they were kicked out of their homes and are being oppressed to this day. My suggestion before discussing a one or two state solution is to address the psychology or emotions driving the actions of each side. If Jews can feel safe and secure then they could be more flexible in their aspirations for a state which I think would naturally happen over time if there are no more persecutions. You already start to see this with the younger generation of Jewish people who stand in solidarity with the Palestinians. There are also sects of Jews who are against Zionism as well as Jewish scholars like Norman Finkelstein and Ilan Pape. On the Palestinians side to alleviate their anger and resentment the siege and blockade of Gaza needs to be lifted and the settlements and settler violence in the West Bank needs to be stopped. The Al Aqsa Mosque is a hot button that shouldn’t be pushed. Palestinians are not Nazis and wouldn’t mind living side by side with Israelis in their own state or in the same state how ever the boundaries are drawn. Before addressing the geopolitical boundaries there needs to be relationship building between the Palestinians and the Israelis and in order to effectively build relationships the fear and insecurity of the Jewish people as a result of a history of persecution needs to be acknowledged and the oppression of the Palestinian people that creates anger and resentment needs to stop. If you can create a harmonious relationship between Israelis and Palestinians then it won’t really matter how you draw the boundaries.

This is a movie and I struggle with following the plot due to layers and layers of complexities 🥴 I am learning though and appreciate your willingness to look at both sides of the story

Thank you, you did a wonderful job explaining this complex conflict.

@HenryAbramsonPhD

6 ай бұрын

Glad you appreciated it

Thank you Henry for clearly explaining the beginning of this Israel and Palistine conflict. 🙏

Great and split splash of splendid day lecture sir👍👍👍.

@HenryAbramsonPhD

8 ай бұрын

Thanks. Not sure what a “split splash” is.

Thank you for such a discerning and informative presentation. Wouldn't you agree that mentioning Arab hopes to win the 1948 war is paramount in understanding why so many arabs left their homes without being chased away by the young state of Israel? After all, it was close to a miracle that Israel managed to face 5 arab armies and not be wiped off the face of the Earth.

Refreshingly honest and balanced discussion.

I love ❤️ history and ownership of the area has change so many times 🤪hence when talk about history, he seems like most like him , very selective!

De or Des also means SOME in French. It's a secondary meaning after "from" or "of" etc

Excellent presentation

@HenryAbramsonPhD

6 ай бұрын

Thank you

Hi professor, very grateful for history lesson. Happy Chanukah.

@HenryAbramsonPhD

7 ай бұрын

Thank you too

Very clever and objective, again, thanks .

@HenryAbramsonPhD

8 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching

Very good presentation, would you give a detailed outline for a realistic solution?

From Rachid Khalidi some points not mentioned The Balfour Declaration in 1917 declared British support for establishing a Jewish national home in Palestine. This declaration was later incorporated into the terms of the British Mandate for Palestine given by the League of Nations. The speaker states that the Balfour Declaration and the Mandate did not mention the existing Palestinian Arab population who made up the vast majority at the time, except to refer to them as the "non-Jewish population." He argues the Balfour Declaration and Mandate denied the rights to self-determination of the Palestinian majority population in favor of laying out plans for a Jewish national home. Arthur Balfour himself had supported highly anti-Semitic policies in the past as British Prime Minister, barring Jewish refugees from entering, which the speaker sees as ironic given his Declaration supported Zionism. There were multiple motivations for British support of Zionism, including control over strategic lands in Palestine and prevalent sympathy among British Protestant groups wanting Jewish restoration in the Holy Land.

Would it be possible for you to at least turn on ‘captions; Auto Translate (Francais)’ So that I can read en francais? I know doing the captions yourself would be a lot of work but I’m pretty sure youtube has an auto translating and captioning system that works actually fairly well,, if you could turn it on for future videos that would be very appreciated thank you!

Luv your videos

@HenryAbramsonPhD

8 ай бұрын

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Mr Abramson’s heart seems to be in the right place. But he applies two flawed approaches to understanding the conflict. 1. Contriving nuance (suggesting the PLO has moderated; Palestinian Arab society has shifted to nationalism as an organizing principle), as this soothes is Zionists into believing compromise is achievable 2. Narratives Just bc Palestinians see things differently doesn’t mean we should give equal validity to their perspective- which is heavily rooted in an honor/shame dynamic; relying on conspiracy and an Islamic supremacist frame of seeing Zionism.

@HenryAbramsonPhD

8 ай бұрын

Valuable observations. I think we can make a pretty good case for a range of opinions in the PLO at least before the 2nd Intifada (will be discussed in the next video), and as for your second point, that's a very significant philosophical question. The current situation is very much a kulturkampf that cannot easily be resolved through negotiation, and that is partially due to the fact that both sides have very different values. I, for one, have a very difficult time trying to understand the death-worship that seems to pervade much of the public pronouncements of Hamas leaders, mothers of suicide bombers, and so on.

Thank you so much for your clear, chronologically organised discussion. I have watched part one, and have an appreciation now, of the undercurrents of the conflict that I did not comprehend before. The interplay between history and memory, as you mentioned, goes a long way to clarifying, for me, my country's (Ireland's) unreasoned support for the 'would be' Palestinians. We are very familiar with the reciprocal blindness in conflicts of these kinds, and should be more measured in our response.

@HenryAbramsonPhD

6 ай бұрын

Thanks for the thoughtful comment

You are a great speaker. I actually think you are on par with the great UCLA professor Eugen Weber from the old show the Western Tradition.

Thank you professor ❤

Thank you for this Dr. Abramson and for so much more that you do for all of us. I'd like to reference your works in my upcoming educational website. In the mean time, please have a single episode on all the times the Palestinians were offered their own state and why they turned it down so often. Then, clarify why none of the Arab states want them. It seems logical to offer them a sizeable piece of the sinai peninsula on the condition that compensate Egypt for it and promise to end terror. If none of this is possible, they will have to be put under UN or Israeil control, in my opinion. Do you have a solution that will provide security for all - and that will eliminate their strong desire to eliminate Israel to the sea???? Anyone else???

@eden5260

7 ай бұрын

All you need to do is learn the history of the PLO in Jordan and the state to which they brought the country to until they were expelled and then the similar story happening when they relocated to Lebanon and caused a civil war before they were expelled again, to understand why their "brothers" do not want them ! Secondly the more historic answer and the answer to "why do the Arab countries keep them as refugees" Is the simple war between Muslims and Jews . where the Muslims used the Palestinians as their pwans in this game of control But it isn't just the Arabs who are involved in the perpetuating of this conflict , in fact it is the U.N as well Who put any Palestinian decent the status of a refugee both abroad under a completely new generation 2nd,3rd & 4th ... are all "refugees" Under a completely new citizenship and livelihood abroad and even Palestinians who fled their home to other places but still in Israel/Palestine territory All of the above are unique to the Palestinian case and unprecedented in refugee history.

Can't wait for part 3 - assume you're going to provide some sort of solution?

@cinnaminson0653

3 ай бұрын

There isn't one. There will never be one.Not unless the Palestinian people decide they want to function as at least sort of a Western state.

breathtakingly nuanced classical henry abramson even though i can never dismiss the ever real undertow of violence ever ready to be not very nice to infidels

Can you talk about what was happening to Jews living in other countries in the Middle East during this period?

@HenryAbramsonPhD

8 ай бұрын

It’s on my agenda, hoping to get back to the medieval period first

Thank you as always for the great content. For all those that ended up in refuge camps in 1948/49, at what point does that become a new home and they are not permanent refuges?

@HenryAbramsonPhD

8 ай бұрын

A good question. The humanitarian aid given through UNWRA helped millions of Palestinians escape poverty through mandatory education.

@myspaceplays284

8 ай бұрын

When they get a country they stop being refugees. When that will happen is anyone’s guess.

@npgibson69

8 ай бұрын

I have worked in the field of refugee resettlement for twenty years. You will find older Cubans, Vietnamese or Iranian refugees who still dream of returning home. Once you are past the age of around 50, it’s pretty hard to start over. As to the children of the original refugees, much depends on where they settle. Some places never really accept them even if they are born and raised there. I like to think we do a pretty good job in the US. A lot depends on employment. If you’re unemployed in Sweden, it can be hard to see your identity there. The camps in Gaza are even worse.

@shescrafty2553

8 ай бұрын

@@npgibson69when Israelis were forced out of Gaza in 2005. the Palestinians were handed a thriving economy that had been established by the Israeli settlers. Unfortunately the Palestinians destroyed the agricultural businesses and things took a further downward trajectory once hamas was voted in soon after.

@Joeshapiro7

8 ай бұрын

You could make the same point about the Jews from 2,000 years ago. Breaching that point is risky.

Extremely informative, but where is the commentary on the 1973 war?? … and indeed the period from 1967 to 1973 ?

@HenryAbramsonPhD

5 ай бұрын

Much more to say than these three short videos.

Thank you

@HenryAbramsonPhD

8 ай бұрын

You're welcome

Thanks

@HenryAbramsonPhD

7 ай бұрын

Welcome

I agree that these videos are remarkably balanced and interesting. It is especially wonderful that you don't talk of one side as Good and the other as Evil. At the same time, I think you could be a little more critical of the Arab and Palestinian side - and I would really like you to answer the following questions. Why are thousands and thousands of descendants of the Arab refugees from 1948 still considered refugees (to this very day - 30 years after Oslo)? As far as I know, there is no other refugee group that includes descendants of the original refugees. Why have the Arab countries with refugee camps not integrated their Palestinian residents? You gave many examples of the "Land for Peace" principle without actually naming it. Some questions: Why should the victor of a war (the 1967 6-day war) be asked to give back land conquered in a war of defense? Are you really sure that because UN Res 242 recognized the green lines (armistice lines) as borders of Israel, that there was truly Arab recognition of Israel's right to exist at all? Why did Egypt have the right to reject part of the land (Gaza Strip) that Israel offered back to them for peace after the 1973 Yom Kippur war? Do you have a hypothesis about why Land for Peace doesn't seem to get much peace? What if no amount of land would be enough for the Palestinians? Why is an armistice land considered a fair and rational basis for drawing boundaries that could give both Israel and Palestine more security and a fair deal?

@HenryAbramsonPhD

7 ай бұрын

Thank you, and you are asking excellent questions. I may pursue them in future videos.

Are the captions auto-generated? They have frequent errors.

@HenryAbramsonPhD

8 ай бұрын

Yup.

Thank you for helping us understand the big picture

Excelente! I also like the captions, everyone should do this.

@HenryAbramsonPhD

8 ай бұрын

Thank you. The AI isn’t or but it is helpful

@xt3708

8 ай бұрын

Unfortunately I find it quite distracting, I'm not sure what value it provides and just seems like a trend for TikTok. If anybody wants close captioning they can turn it on in the KZread settings. Also it gets a lot of the nouns wrong, like names of things people places or etc. And so involves some cognitive activity instead of focusing on the excellent words you are saying. Appreciate your sensitivity in all of your work Dr. please continue these as hard as they may be to do because they are really valuable, a candle in a sea of darkness right now

As an Italian American my head is spinning …all very interesting

@HenryAbramsonPhD

8 ай бұрын

Hope it helps clarify at least a bit

This infirmation delivered is the best to date Thank you fòr sharing God Bless you and keep sharing to e veryone so honest and genuine

@HenryAbramsonPhD

5 ай бұрын

You are so welcome

Hi, Professor. At around the 14:30 mark in the video mention resolution 242 and a just and lasting peace by withdrawing from the 1949 green line area, but why would Israel consider this a plus when sovereignty is granted over that part of the land by Uti Possidetis Juris? Jordan was the occupier, then the territories were recovered.

magnificent

Thanks for this another excellent explanation. There's one thing that I didn't thought before. The change of the so called narrative (term that I don't like especially because it's a cliché) beyond 1987. And in Europe is absolutely true: people born after 1987 (or ten years later) is in favour of Palestinian: and older people stayed with Israel. But we are loosing the streets, in many ways. And that explains these demonstrations in these last days.

Why all the spelling errors in the subtitles - example 'piece' instead of 'peace'.

This seems fair. I'm very glad you mentioned Egypts role in Israels history. That said I can see why people wouldn't mention it. Egypt has many, many, many, many places to back down to if it gets in trouble. Not so much for Israel.

Very fair and balanced video, thank you. Just one note: the First Intifada was actually not as organic as you say. If you read Mosab Yousef Hassan's book, Son of Hamas, he says that it was intended to look organic, but actually planned by either Hamas or Fatah, sorry I don't remember which one, but point is that it wasn't organic.

@HenryAbramsonPhD

5 ай бұрын

I haven't read his book yet.

@bpcj4891

5 ай бұрын

@@HenryAbramsonPhD I highly recommend it! Very easy and captivating read. I am sure you could finish it in a few days. Certainly doesn't do too many favors for Israel, but it has a lot of inside information on Hamas and the PLO. Very fascinating read.

Thank you very much for your videos. I want to mention two things: you say that there was much fighting between the declaration of the state and the British leaving - I believe you misspoke, because these events happened on the same day, May 15 2948 I think you meant between the vote on the partition plan. The second is that the annexing of East Jerusalem and the Golan heights was not immediate, but rather happened in the 800's

@ilanacmt

7 ай бұрын

Sorry, 1980's

I find it peculiar that an area called Judea & someria, which is central historical Jewish place- and by its name also “ju-dea”. That such area supported by the world to be devoid of ANY Jews. And also isn’t that slightly , very racist ?

I will recommend for the readers to read the book of Rachid khalidi .. 100 years of wars ..mentioned on the video.

@HenryAbramsonPhD

7 ай бұрын

Maybe watch the video? I cited the book (and spelled the author’s name correctly)