I'd have much rather they kept the Luna class for Picard. It's a nice design. The Titan-A is much less pleasing to my eye, like they took TOS ship parts and STO ship parts and awkwardly smooshed them together.

@jamesaron1967

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Totally Agreed. At least they could have come up with a Luna-class refit modernizing it a bit, not this monstrosity. The Neo-Constitution class appears to be several steps back, something from another era. It doesn't integrate the various sections together well at all. The huge neck, strangely-shaped saucer and bizarre nacelles that look too large for a ship this size.

They should've had a modification to the bridge that, when Red Alert is sounded, raises a 1ft square section of the deck plating to form a small cube just under Riker's foot as he sits in the Captain's chair - for essential tactical leaning purposes. That way, he can lean on something even in the heat of combat while wearing his seat belt, because safety first. Presumably this would be accompanied by a similar modification to his ready-room chair, which would have a C-shaped backrest on a motorised track which allowed him to sit in a chair like a normal person but could swing underneath and pop up in front instead, for those times he had to have a candid conversation with a young Ensign.

I love the original Luna Class Titan. It's a shame she wasn't shown at the end Star Trek Nemesis. I would love to have a model of this one too along with the Neo-Constitution Titan-A. I thought the original Luna Titan was subsequently destroyed maybe in a battle with some enemy or an ambush by rogue Klingons or Romulans. As I said I love the original luna class just like the Neo Constition Titan-A. Commander Adams, I love the way how you do these videos for Trek Central. Your humor is awesome.

I was so goddamn disappointed that they didn't use a Luna class.

@marksouthwell4490

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It wouldn't stand out as a hero ship as there are too many Luna class in service. Plus the show runner wanted a retro looking design. Bit like First Contact, they wanted the Enterprise E to be more distinguishable from the rest of the fleet

The original Titan looks much tougher than the Titan-A.

I would prefer the sovereign style of ship design, the thin neck between the saucer and the stardrive is like saying please shoot me I am a major weak point, I could see why John Eves removed that part and just had the saucer merge with the stardrive section, a smarter design if you will.

I wish the Titan A in Picard season 3 was the actual Luna-class Titan. I mean, why not? It looks amazing and would not have been that old, certainly a teenager compared to the Excelsiors we saw in TNG. Regular refits keep Starships up to date long after their heyday, and this ship would not have been that old!

@jamesaron1967

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It should have been an actual refit of the Luna-class Titan but that ship was essentially destroyed. Would love if it was.

@thallus23

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Maybe there is a canonical reason why Luna class design was abandoned, like a fungus was rapidly eating away the hull or a fatal flaw in the design reduced the service years of the vessel✌️

@jamesaron1967

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@@thallus23 Last of Us...?

@Z1gguratVert1go

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@@thallus23 I didn't know that, that's interesting. Personally I would not want to command a ship with the bio-neural jell packs. Voyager survived _despite_ the jell packs, not _because_ of them. Was that what caused the issue?

ou're here by awarded to Christopher Pike Medal of Honor for boldly going through all the hours editing and upload time that you had to endure over the years

I tried so hard to create a ship for this contest after reading Titan:Taking Wing. My nacelles were upward and had a more aggressive look to it. My bridge was eliptical shaped. Sean hit the nail and the head. I follow him on IG and he typically responds when I reach out him. I'm on record praising his success since the beginning. I'm so happy that he gave us such a great ship to shape the landscape of Star Trek.

@keirfarnum6811

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“...hit and the nail ‘and’ the head?!” Just FYI, it’s “...hit the nail ‘ON’ the head.”

@willanderson716

Жыл бұрын

@@keirfarnum6811... OMG... You are smart... How's that working out for you... I'm so fortunate that I have you around to correct my grammar... I betcha you're the pride of your graduating class... Give it rest fella... Move along.. Nuthin to see here... You're sooooo smart and observant... Do you want a cookie? ... Do you want a treat?.. Here's your 🥉... Great job... You know what... they should employ you to scour all of You Tube for grammatical errors. 🤦🏾‍♂️🤷🏾‍♂️🤣🤣🤣🤣

🖖😎👍Very cool and very nicely well done and executed and informatively explained in every way and detail possibly provided indeed👌.

🥇For you my friend!

Lt Commander Adam. Ship narration brillance.

The Titan A was actually said to have launched in 2396 as Shaw said he has been Captain of it through 5 years and 32 missions. I lean to think that Season 3 is in 2401, since it is the 250th Frontier Day, which would put it as exactly 250 years since the launch of NX-01 Enterprise.

@TrekCentral

Жыл бұрын

yeah this video was written and recorded before we found out the logs in Instagram were wrong, the subtitles reflect this. And I would agree with you, Season 3 is 2401. However I think Shaw was captain of the Titan for 2 years between 2396 and 2398, the Titan was damaged in 2398, and the "refit" to the A took 3 years till 2401 - Dom

@langm1701

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@@TrekCentral I think a more plausible explanation would be the Luna class Titan was destroyed in 2396, and the old Shangri-La Titan was pulled out of mothballs in 2396, and whatever remained of the computer core of the Luna Titan was put into the Shangri-La and the overall refit was built off of that. Would explain the Titan A resemblance to the Shangri-La Titan rather than the Luna one and would explain the jazz music deletions by Shaw. Also Starfleet has been known to do that sort of thing, with the Dominion War kitbashed ships being a prime example.

@dennisud

Жыл бұрын

@@langm1701 The frame of the Shangrila Titan was either used or was an inspiration separate from the Core. And Shaw's complaint about Riker's Jazz music seems to me that they used the Luna Classes Computer core.

@langm1701

Жыл бұрын

@@dennisud that's what I said.

@wyldelf2685

Жыл бұрын

​@@TrekCentral as huge TNG fan , the original Luna Class "USS TITAN" looks tons better than the horrible current one on PICARD , seriously current one looks like it was slapped together by a DRUNK , , ,😞

You can tell I'm bad about actually reading all the Trek books I own because this video is how I found out there was a fold out diagram of the Titan in a book I've had sitting on the shelf since I was a child. 😅

@TrekCentral

Жыл бұрын

I am glad we could be of service in more... unique ways like that xD - Dom

Kudos to the guy that designed this ship. It stayed true to the time line and what would a future tng ship of the the late 24th century would look like. Personally, I like the titan A but the design just doesn’t fit what a ship from the early 25th century would look like. I get it that they were going for that retro look. Kinda like what mustangs and chargers tried to accomplish.

@jamesaron1967

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It is anachronistic. Way different from the Sovereign, Sagan, Odyssey-class contemporaries or its Luna-class namesake.

@carlingas666

Жыл бұрын

@@jamesaron1967 ship design on the Picard series seem to be that way.

I love the Luna class

Greetings Lieutenant Commander Adam!!! Thanks for sharing another exciting video!!! 🖖

Good video. Really like these types of presentations.

Beautiful renders and animation Tobias!

I love how you decided to say "Commander Seven" Since Shaw refuses to allow her to use her preferred name. :)

NCC 2596 nice federation starship. Thank you LT Commander Adam for sharing this unique video

The Titan was one of the few new trek ship designs that I actually liked - of all the ships to “refit” I think the Titan was strange choice. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it, after all. Oh well.

The Luna class is my favourite starfleet ship of the 24th century. The design just speaks to me somehow. I didn't know about the Shangri-la class untill after pic s3 and now THAT is my favourite from the 23rd century.

Just one thing: My favorite host.

I’m so sad that they didn’t use the Luna Class Titan in Picard S3. I love this design

Nice fill-in explanation for the Titan! 👍

I feel like Luna class get a downgrade refit

Hey Thats Me!

Such a cool looking ship!!

Cheers Adam

I wonder if they'll have an updated Steamrunner class someday.

Many are missing the point that the Titan-A is, in fact, the Luna Class Titan. They are the same ship, just extremely heavily refit. This is evidenced by the Trek Log detailing the Titan's history stating that the refit changed design halfway through, and ended up being so extensive that the class name was changed and the 'A' designation was added. This is also indicated by Captain Shaw's remark that he had to scrub Riker's jazz files from the computer, signifying that it is Riker's Titan. Shaw has apparently been the captain of the Titan for 5 years, implying that he did take over the ship when it was a Luna class, then oversaw the refit into its current form.

How is the Titan A a refit of the Luna class Titan. Since when does a refit make a ship look completely different. We know what the Titan looked like, they even showed it on Lower Decks. When they did a refit on the constitution class it still looked similar, same with the excelsior class/enterprise refit, and the galaxy class during the Dominion war, the NX and the Colombia even in season 5 they would have just added a secondary hull. I like the neo constitution class but that is a different ship.

@RunnerX13

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This vid gave a pretty good explanation. The systems from the Titan were used in the Titan-A. It’s not the same ship physically, but it is internally.

@Me.......

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@@RunnerX13 I understand that but it's like taking the "systems" of the galaxy class after the crash in "Generations" putting them in the sovereign Enterprise and calling that a refit.

@RunnerX13

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@@Me....... totally. It’s a stretch and it was an unnecessary connection between ships.

@SturdivantRacing126

Жыл бұрын

@@RunnerX13I'm glad someone else feels this way. I'm having an impossible time believing that any of the original Titan counts as a refit for a ship that looks completely different. I'd rather the Titan-A been a new ship, then require it's own refit to where we are today. That's how refits work.

@jamesaron1967

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@@RunnerX13 True, some systems were integrated and that's the justification but hardly fits, excuse the pun, the definition of a ship refit. This is a totally new class, again excuse the pun, called the Neo-Constitution. It bares no resemblance to the Luna-class Titan. Like you say it's a stretch and a misnomer to call it a refit or even a retrofit for that matter. Actually, by installing systems from an old ship to a brand new one it's more live a 'reverse-retrofit', which no one does unless it's something of historical value that has no other function. I'm really peeved by this more than most fans should be, LOL. I don't like the Neo-Constitution class at all irrespective of the name it carries. Bizarre looking vessel.

Picard has confused me about this ship. Captain Shaw complained about having to get rid of all of Riker's jazz music from the database but this is suppose to be a new ship? Is she Riker's Titan that has undergone a MASSIVE rebuild or are the writers idiots? FYI...you're my favorite presenter on this channel. Your voice is a perfect match for your dry humor that keeps me tickled. Keep up the good work.

@TrekCentral

Жыл бұрын

I'll pass along your kind words to Adam! But yeah it seems like it is a MASSIVE rebuild. The internal systems from the USS Titan were kept for the USS Titan A, while the frame and hull are brand new? It'd explain why Riker's music was still on the system. That is what we think so far at least! - Dom

@RealCelticGamer

Жыл бұрын

The Picard writers are idiot's, obviously! Refits are never this extensively rebuilt - look at the Enterprise refit that came between NCC-1701 and NCC-1701-A.

@jamesaron1967

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@@TrekCentral Yet it bares no resemblance to the old ship. In fact, it looks like a century _older_ not newer class. The creators wanted to use the name 'Titan' for its familiarity and Riker's role in the show but not the Luna-class design. Instead, they performed light modifications to the USS Shangri-la and called it a Titan-A. OK.

I wish we would've seen a refit of the luna class. While I like the new Connie. I feel like it should've been a new build. I don't see how the titans space frame becomes the titan A. It doesn't make much sense to me

@jlomesou

Жыл бұрын

I hate the neo-connie, it looks clunky and kitbashed. It certainly isn’t a good follow up to the Luna class design. I hope they blow the A up at the end.

Where is that scene from, of all those ship classes warping to earth (sovereign, intrepid, runabouts, etc)? That looked awesome!

This is just an off the cuff observation, but if the modern Titan is composed of the previous ships, does this hint at something of a rush for Starfleet to get ships out and operational? In a way, it seems to be kit bashing in and of itself, albeit in a much more fluid and organic manner. I wonder if this rush reflects the desperate need for ships, or if perhaps it is indicative of a new method of construction where "nothing goes to waste". Anyway, I'm sure that there are stated reasons out there that I have not seen. but I will say that, having grown up on Classic Trek and the original movies... I LOVE the new design.

Enterprise-E: My guess is that Living Construct incident at the end of Prodigy season 1. Especially considering that Worf wouldn't have been in command anymore by that point. (So whatever the mission was that saw Worf relinquish command, something had to have gone horribly wrong...) Riker's Titan: Probably got jumped by even MORE of those enemy ships that ambushed them last time, I doubt they'd have been around Earth for the Living Construct incident.

We should have got Star Trek: Titan series. Riker and Troi would be fun to watch. They’re hilarious.

Looks like a cross between vague Federation tech and Borg Tech.

One thing that bothered me in both this season and the previous season of Picard is that the writers do not seem to understand the difference between a refit and an entirely new ship. The Stargazer and Titan from Picard, as best as I can tell, are entirely new ships and not refits of the previous ships bearing the name. It is possible that the Titan may have been coming off of a recent refit but overall it is confusing, especially when we don't know if Riker ever commanded this newest Titan (as noted in the reference to purging Riker's jazz music from the computer.) It's not a big thing but a bit of clarity and consistency would be nice.

@jamesaron1967

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I'm not surprised the writers did this but you are totally right. It's a big thing to me because ships, both fiction and real, are a big thing for some people. The use of the world 'refit' is a misnomer whether it's fiction or not. Integrating old systems into a brand new vessel isn't a refit. It's not a retrofit either because the systems have to be _upgrades_ to an old ship. This is the total opposite of a retrofit. There's no phrase to describe what the Titan-A is, LOL.

I really like the Luna Class design. It is way better than the Akira. The Akira looks cumbersome and somewhat awkward, but the Luna Class looks so much smoother.

If Rikers Titan wasn't the first Titan, why does it have its own registry number and not the number of the first Titan with an A?

@Daginni1

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I don't think there's any consistency with it, but ships that "earn" a letter after their registry have performed above and beyond standard Starfleet service. While those of un-note-able service get a new registry number with the next ship bearing their name. The original TOS USS Titan being forgotten to time, while the Luna class USS Titan under Captain Riker saved the Federation from the Pakleds, and earned its letter for the successor of such a ship.

@kevinvandal8595

Жыл бұрын

Its not a legacy ship. Only starships with a extraordinary service record get A B C..

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Oh wow, the U.S.S. Pasteur was mentioned, how kool. I wonder if it is the same Olympic Class. All so is that 10 Forward just underneath the saucer behind the registry?

Loved this class , and the new titan A is growing on me , I hope the hull of new titan is tougher than I’ve seen so far an I thought Star fleet said all ships would be well armed since the borg an Dominion wars , hmmm I’d like to have seen Titian A give the strike a run for its money any how , but maybe the USS Enertprise F I’ll drop in an give old strike a pounding if not this may get boaring , I mean they have fought an defeated stronger ships , break out the Quantum’s an the pulse phasers of the defiant an let’s see how they like that on Picard

Funny how it got redesign again, into basically a neo constitution class

13:34 Titan's plaque reads "Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations." 🖖🏻🖖🏻

Very nice design, beautyfull ship❤❤

I love that boat. The new one is just a ship.

14:07. You misquoted Riker. As with him mentioning himself being on the U.S.S. Lollypop. "It is a really good Ship."

IDIC -infinite diversity in infinite combinations. That was from tos.

If you're taking requests, the Grissom Class Refit Light Science Vessel from Star Trek Online please...the beauty shots from TriAngulum Audio Studios make it look amazing!

What class am I seeing at 5:09?? That picture is shown during Shangrilpla class narrative but it have no secondary hull more like NX Freedom class. I'm sorry, this question will probably seem noob to some people but im found of trek universe, not a hardcore fan....yet...maybe... ?

Let's step back. The Daedalus class deserve some attention.

Is this where we can vote for the next ship? i wanna see the jupiter carrier. STO. I'd love to see a 'true' carrier ship fits with the star trek aesthetic and styling

Have never gotten over the way the impulse exhaust path is blocked by the nacelle pylons.

It's such a shame, that they haven't used the Luna class USS Titan in Picard, I like the ship much more then the Neo-Constitution class

I noticed that you mentioned Wesley Crusher. Are we to assume that he came back, to human form and rejoined the Federation? after all, he did transform or evolved on one episode of STNG

@TCTurner

Жыл бұрын

He did indeed become a Traveller, and made a brief appearance in finale of Picard season 2

@jlomesou

Жыл бұрын

Who friggn knows. Wes is one of the worst developed characters on Star Trek.

Shangri-La class was retired shortly after the cardassian Border Wars I did start with distinction in the Border Wars

Can you do a video on the da Vinci class from Star Trek online?

I still don't understand how Rick and Morty in Star Trek cosplay can get the ship right and Picard can't

at 4:30 , what is that from ?

The new Titan has the special feature of having no goddamn lights

NCC 80102 Luna class starship USS Titan nice federation Starfleet starship. That's in the 24th century interesting.

You could imitate Dr Phlox with no effort whatsoever

The Luna class. Starfleets PR ship 😁

Was that pulse phasers ? Like defiant

I don’t see how any of this ship is now part of the new retro fit neo constitution Titan A???

Frontline ships tend to get beat up a lot. So it lasting that long is pretty good. The new titan is not a refit, I think the writers messed that one up. It's a new class with old parts...a reverse refit? I would have liked to have seen an actual refit over a new class. It would have made it more impactful for rikers story in star trek Picard. This really isn't the same ship even if it has a few parts from the original. The original enterprise lasted 40 years with each successor getting lost or blown up. I wouldnt be surprised if they're only now decommissioning the enterprise E or it was blown up and launching the F for star trek Picard.

"Titan destroyed by:" let's say too much combat with Pakled improvised weapons caused microfractures throughout the ship, hull to structural members. Too complicated to repair, ship was dismantled after it nearly shook itself to pieces, and parts salvaged for the A (like D was salvaged for E in _The Ship)._ Of course, the 'damaged too much for repair' line for the E & F's retirement, which I'm borrowing for Titan, looks suspicious if Starfleet is modernizing decades old ships rather than building new ones.

🥺 Wait a long time ago 23.. 😳 😟 I use a tardis, which year is this, Commander Adam? It's difficult, wibbly wobbly timey wimey Tardis

William Shatner novel of tek war development

The Titan is the hatchback to the Sovereign sedan.

Wait, you're saying the designer of this ship, is from Colorado Springs, my home town? Could you, possibly get me in contact with him, preferably by Instagram (I no longer use Facebook itself and unlikely he's on Gab), so I can offer him a drink or something in lieu of that awesomeness sometime? Sincere inquiry.

I have a question,but to ask it I have to diverge into another wifi series to explain my question. In Jason of starcommand the capital ships were asteroids with small collage towns or military bases and drive systems built on them. My question is does starfleet or anyone else have anything like this in star trek?

@sigmacademy

Жыл бұрын

There was a Trek episode of a generational ship built inside an "asteroid of sorts" (could have been TOS), but there was also an episode where they had to connect drive units to an object to move it away from a planet (I think).

@TrekCentral

Жыл бұрын

Yes from one of the longest episode titles of all time "For the World is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky" from TOS had a generational Asteroid ship - Dom

Only thing I didn't like was the shuttle bay. A long area of open space. Could have filled it with more.

for the algorithim i was disappointed that neither the luna class titan or the enterprise-f never really got to shine in live action

Only love for Ben Sisko

was the “Luna” class named in _Nemesis_ or anywhere around there? I know the Titan is named after the moon, but it seems, given the name and the captain, the writers originally intended the Titan to be a warship, rather than a smaller exploration craft 🤷🏻‍♂️

The ship was re christened Excalibur and placed in a reserve

The only thing I don't like about the Titan is the nacelles not being in alignment! Otherwise for a mid sized ship it's great 👍

Looks like the Aries

I'm 99.99% certain that the copy stayed on The Titan.

What if the timeline has been changed?

I like Bill Krause's new design better.

You sure the number of major critical Damage to The Cerritos at this point in the time line isn't Higher?

Realy enjoy your presentation, great use of humour. But you're English man, it should be pronounced leftennant commander even though its spelt lieutenant.

Nimrod class? :D

hehehe to this day i'm the only one with a Luna Class with the Name Titan and the original NCC Number *G*

If Saavik was the Captain of the first Titan in the early 2230’s (as they have now said) then shouldn’t Riker’s Titan be the “A” and Shaws be the “B”? And why so long resurrecting the Titan name?

@BullGator-kd6ge

Жыл бұрын

A ship can have the name of a predecessor while not having an A,B,C suffix. That's reserved for ships that have achieved something noteworthy or momentous hence why Enterprises and Voyagers do. Clearly Riker's Titan did something of the same note in its service to warrant a Titan-A.

@travisjames3517

Жыл бұрын

@@BullGator-kd6ge How come there wasn’t a Defiant A in DS9?

I don't understand why the frak they don't keep the Luna class for season 3 instead of the little freak we had

@angryox3102

Жыл бұрын

Right. One of the coolest ships in a while.

Next ship? Nebula class.

Nope some came with HIGH ACCURACY LONG RANGE SENORS What else would Section 31 use?

@sigmacademy

Жыл бұрын

It wouldn't be "high accuracy long range sensors", it would be highly sensitive long range sensors (as in you could extend the sensors, but you lose sensitivity over specified standards), and short range sensors also exist, because that's how you get proximity alarms.

Doesn't it seem the the Luna class was a way tougher, more capable ship than the new Neo-Constitution class? Also is it just me, or do shields seem shittier in the 25th century in general?

I definitely prefer the original Luna Titan , no bloody A, B, C, or D.

Combine enterprises and reliant

The Luna class Titan is NOT the original Starfleet ship named Titan. The original Titan was a Shangri-La class ship, and it was Captained by a more seasoned Saavik, of The Wrath of Khan and The Search for Spock reknown…😂

They should have made the Titan this one in Picard. The "Neo-Constitution" class smacks of lazy fanservice.

The one stumble in Season 3 is having the Titan-A looking nothing like the original Titan.

@bryanlay914

Жыл бұрын

None of the Enterprises look the same except for the 1701 and the A. That's only because they're the same class...

@qui-gonrick7002

Жыл бұрын

@@bryanlay914 But those are different ships. The Titan in Picard is supposed to be the same ship, but with a refit. Seems like a refit should somewhat resemble the original.