That original Terminator 3 script sounded way more interesting than what we got. Love these videos.

@Former_Employee

Ай бұрын

Imo it seems too convoluted.

@carastone3473

Ай бұрын

Interesting, but a little bit all over the place. I wouldn’t have wanted to see Sarah die.

@egb50000

Ай бұрын

@@Former_Employee Yeah, I agree sounds like this movie could have been two movies. But it wouldn't be good without Cameron writing it.

@TechnologicallyTechnical

Ай бұрын

I’ve read the script (you can find it online) and it’s REALLY bad. There’s a few interesting ideas, but the execution and dialogue is utterly atrocious for the most part. Anyone who says it’s better either hasn’t read it or has brain damage.

@Simcitywok

Ай бұрын

It does, but what happens? They save the world again and there’s no arc for the characters other than maybe John. What we got was infinitely worse: “talk to the hand”

I'm so glad they chose Robert Patrick as the T-1000 I'd argue he's way more terrifying and his performance less human like than Arnold's T800

@nicholasbennett7367

Ай бұрын

Lance henrikson was supposed to be the terminator in the original. So Cameron basically got that idea in the second film and it was awesome

@39Hundred

Ай бұрын

Many years ago, I saw a documentary on the making of T2. James Cameron said Robert Patrick reminded him of a cat. Very alert. Analyzing his surroundings. He said the way Robert Patrick moves is very smooth and fluid. He also compared the Arnold model to a tank while the T-1000 is like a Porsche.

@nicholasbennett7367

Ай бұрын

@@39Hundred Patrick was much more frightening when I saw this as a kid!

@regish759

29 күн бұрын

Patrick is awesome, no other actor could have given such a breathtaking performance ! Pun intended, since he managed to run after Connor's Honda XR and not only keep pace with it as intended, but at first even catching up to it easily (that would've made for an awful short flick) and forcing himself to slow down in later takes, all while restraining his breathing through his nostrils alone, keeping a straight and emotion-free face from start to end !! This never ceazes to blow my mind each time I rewatch this sequence...

@user-dc9dn5sm8y

29 күн бұрын

Just glad they didnt go with Billy Idol lol

That original plan for T3 sounds like something I would've enjoyed. More than what we were actually given.

@shaise

23 күн бұрын

Edward Furlong dropped the ball hard and I feel if he was cast he would've been in a better spot today. Fucking hell

@DrQuagmire1

19 күн бұрын

@@shaise agreed!!! while Nick Stahl did an alright job with the material he worked with, he wasn't as good as Edward Furlong

@Alamandorious

10 күн бұрын

Eh. I kinda like the concept that Skynet was a virus that became self aware after it infected, well, Skynet. It kinda makes the whole 'humans are my enemy' thing more believable, since human would have been trying to 'kill' it while it was in virus form.

@Psych1_-

10 күн бұрын

I think they should have just rebooted the movie essentially for T3. They prevented Skynet from winning, but it only pushed back AI going bad. John Connor isn't essential as the future had been changed. They'd need to make big changes so it's not a copy of T1 or T2, no easy task. The Terminator/Terminators should feel similar but different as they weren't created by skynet. John and Sarah Connor aren't important. Because the time line has been changed the Terminator doesn't even know who they are.

@xBrabus76

5 күн бұрын

Geez pipol should look up on Furlongs trajectory in the bad crowd!

The opening scene of T2 is one of the best of all time. Killer future war stuff, awesome voiceover by Linda Hamilton, Future John Connor looking totally bad-ass, and then cue up brilliant score by Brad Fidel as the endo-skull appears through flames. Unabashed genius.

@House_of_Data

6 күн бұрын

6 year old me was so conflicted over how it was such total bad assery AND absolute nightmare fuel at the same time

@yugen

6 күн бұрын

@@House_of_Data Literally awesome to see as a kid in the early 90's

@apphappy3796

4 күн бұрын

@@albundy7794 Its a good thing to start a scifi film with action to engage the audience right from start like George Lucas did in Star Wars. It worked didn't it?

@nickmitsialis

Күн бұрын

Hell, I think we all agree that those few minutes continue to be better than a huge number of movies that have been released since then.

@yugen

Күн бұрын

@@apphappy3796 It's called a "hook" and it's one of the first things they will teach in any good literature/writing class.

The tragic irony of O.J. not being seen as a killer. There's a lesson there. Also: now we know where "I must draw you" comes from.

@EmperorGuyver

Ай бұрын

Yeah, the lesson is just do more research. Learn who Glen Rogers is

@ferrismcfly16

Ай бұрын

@@leewright1 aronold said draw me like your French girls 😂

@Hallowpool193

Ай бұрын

I wonder how people would react as OJ being the terminator now

@jokerz7936

Ай бұрын

​@@Hallowpool193 OJ being in the Naked Gun movies or Towering Inferno doesn't affect my opinion on them.

@ConwayGilligan2011

Ай бұрын

Simpson was cast as The Terminator before we cast him. That is 100% NOT TRUE. And I should know," Hurd tweeted Thursday, before confirming that Lance Henriksen was formally considered for the part. "Jim and I never ever considered O.J. Not even for a nanosecond."

In my humble opinion, the best Terminator 3 we ever got was the game Terminator: Resistance. No spoilers, but the way the game ends perfectly wraps up the series and ties T1 and 2 in a perfect knot.

@im3phirebird81

29 күн бұрын

i never played that, but I saw a playthrough of it and I must say you are absolutely right.

@Olagfigh

29 күн бұрын

Agree! This is the T3 we have been waiting for since T2 :)

@thegoodwin

26 күн бұрын

Oh yeah, Terminator 3: Resistance game. I like that game!

@chrisdude2675

26 күн бұрын

I need to go back and play it.

@thekingofra5063

25 күн бұрын

A very decent game. Highly enjoyable

Schwarzenegger is probably the most perfect casting ever

@unclebobconner1417

25 күн бұрын

Cameron probably just said Arnie looks like a terminator lets get him lol 😆

@Slim1423

21 күн бұрын

Arnold will always be the original Terminator........

@unclebobconner1417

21 күн бұрын

@@Slim1423 hes the design of a t-800 model

@Slim1423

21 күн бұрын

@unclebobconner1417 I was referring to Arnold as the main character in the Terminator movie series, not referring to his Terminator model number. I always wonder was Arnold's Terminator character based on a human, or did Skynet just randomly select his Terminator model to send back in time?

@unclebobconner1417

21 күн бұрын

@@Slim1423 well as far as I know the endos were all the same but when they were disguised as humans they looked different so I'm guessing it was just a random selection that it was armies model they chose to do the job maybe because he looked the most real human you know most convincing or they thought he looked the strongest model they had but this is just me guessing but it was the same model in the terminator & T3 so if the models were different why did they choose the same model 3 times in a row doesn't make sense unless he just looked the best or they actually are all supposed to look the same it's a bit confusing however John Connor did say in T3 did they all come of an assembly line because he looked the same as in T2 he thought it actually was the same terminator as T2 but was a different model just same design

The third movie should’ve just had John becoming the leader and the machine war happening and it looping by sending Kyle back. Paradox trilogy. T1, T2 and a variation of Salvation. Great video. I hope the franchise can come up with a hit in the future.

@user-hz5lt7ki2o

Ай бұрын

I never got why people want these films to end with sending Kyle back. We know exactly what happens. Why have the franchise build up to that point. It's a anti climatic. I think the franchise had the perfect ending with T2.

@yourlocalnemesisllc

Ай бұрын

@@user-hz5lt7ki2o because what I described is a complete trilogy with a full arc beginning, middle, end. Anything else beyond that is welcomed for sure just like any other franchise.

@user-hz5lt7ki2o

Ай бұрын

⁠​⁠@@yourlocalnemesisllcbut why do we need a trilogy? For the sake of having a trilogy? We haven’t had a good T movie since 1991 and everyone thinks it’s easy to make 3. I bet the makers of T3 - Dark Fate would tell you they had full arcs set up for trilogies, doesn’t mean it’s quality. It’s so hard to execute. All those films are full of filler trying to set up future films rather than simply make a great film. Look at the failed attempts at trilogies over passed decade. I mean Terminator has 4! Why not just make a stand alone great movie. Why can’t we do Terminator without forcing a trilogy…

@yourlocalnemesisllc

Ай бұрын

@@user-hz5lt7ki2o you’re saying what I’m saying like I’m speaking against you lol. The franchise peaked at T2 yes. I’m satisfied with 1 & 2. What I’m saying is if there was a 3rd good movie that was MY take on what could have been not what should be. Turn off the friendly fire I’m a human not a machine lol

@stitcha123

Ай бұрын

@@user-hz5lt7ki2obecause they need everything tied with a bow.

Vin Diesel would have been interesting as T-X. "At Skynet we're family."

@natwolf687

15 күн бұрын

I imagined that for a hard moment. Nah.

@maw1186

Күн бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂

@invisiblerevolution

5 сағат бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Producers: O.J. is too nice to play a cold-blooded villain. Me: Yeah, about that…

I saw an interview with the director of T3, where he said he added the slapstick comedy stuff because he was afraid of having people say he was just copying James Cameron, so he wanted to put his own little spin on it. He said that looking back, he can see why people didn’t like it, and he wished he hadn’t done it.

@markcarpenter6020

29 күн бұрын

Took him long enough. On the DVD commentary he was laughing about it all specially how he treated the T-X which was honestly one of the more interesting terminators since it was built to have emotions (it was specifically designed for long term infiltration missions). And that's not counting the interviews which he called the Terminator movies "silly kids movies".,.

@1heKing

28 күн бұрын

i gotta say i admire the guy for at least trying to not trying to copy cameron

@LordofMovies91

27 күн бұрын

Yeah, T3 is an entertaining movie by itself, but tonally off compared to the first 2. For me, the Terminator story is 1-Salvation and I feel that Salvation got the correct tone back.

@markcarpenter6020

27 күн бұрын

@@LordofMovies91 not completely. Compare the future scenes in 1 and 2. With the future in salvation. The resistance is too well equipped and supplied in salvation. 1 and 2, showed people desperately struggling to survive, eating rats and using salvaged vehicles and makeshift equipment. In salvation they somehow have an air force and working submarine. The resistance wouldn't have had any of that. Subs require regular intensive maintenance to maintain their stealth capabilities(as in spending time in drydock maintenance) and also need to be resupplied with food and water every 6 months. And air force is silly. Helicopters I can see but every satellite that's left would be owned by skynet the minute it saw anything resembling an airstrip it would hit it with an (possibly nuclear) airstrike. And that doesn't count the fuel and maintenance needed to keep planes in the air. They might be able to steal fuel but the factories making parts for those A-10s would be long gone. Any air power they had would be a dwindling and ungodly precious resource. Honestly the Terminator video game. (I think it's called resistance) Got things better than salvation did.

@digitalblunt

26 күн бұрын

Talk to da hand.

In the original script of the first Terminator, another Soldier was supposed to help Reese protect Sarah Connor from the Terminator but was killed upon arriving.

Even after all these years, I’ve only ever seen the first 2 movies and the 3D park ride movie. That’s enough for me

@deepflare1028

Ай бұрын

Yeah, alternative ending of 2 is canon for me.

@JR-ej9up

Ай бұрын

Great Choice.

@RisingUnderdog

Ай бұрын

Same here! ​@@deepflare1028

@carastone3473

Ай бұрын

@@deepflare1028the alternate ending was too bright & sunny, figuratively speaking. Cameron was right; it didn’t fit.

@LordSeth-hf8ew

Ай бұрын

3rd, and salvation are worth watching as is the tv show

Plot twist: Cameron wasn’t working on Avatar sequels over the last 12 years. He was building a time machine to send a terminator back and take out Gale Anne Heard.

@thesupervisor3270

Ай бұрын

Sophia Steward wrote Terminator and Matrix so a lot of this video is misinformation. Don’t believe me look it up

@Matt_Mosley1983

29 күн бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@adampeel6161

29 күн бұрын

Who's Gale Anne Heard? Never heard of her

@Matt_Mosley1983

29 күн бұрын

@@thesupervisor3270 no, her story is made up, look it up you fool

@dominicraynes1569

29 күн бұрын

@@adampeel6161 🤣🤣🤣

4:28 If you think that's crazy, Cameron also completed the script for Terminator 2 and Point Break at the same time within a few days of each other. At least thats how the story goes.

8:48 it’s actually funny that arnold was happy cameron let him shoot someone in the leg since he wasn’t allowed to kill anyone

@apphappy3796

11 күн бұрын

@@mark-xc7oq "He'll Live"

Judgement Day was the final Terminator movie.

@Hallowpool193

Ай бұрын

Agreed

@joshslater2426

27 күн бұрын

I confess I’ve only watched the first three movies for the first time last week. It’s a mind-bending series, and I feel like it all made sense by the end of T2. The third one just muddled it for me, and I’ve yet to even try the fourth or fifth ones.

@mikes5637

20 күн бұрын

​@@joshslater2426 ignore the haters and watch Salvation. Its flawed but the action setpieces are outstanding. Avoid Genisys though😅

@josemanuelubedacancela8154

13 күн бұрын

Agree.

Edward Furlong was cast as John Conner for part 3 but his drug addiction got in the way of him Starring in the film. Personally, I think they should of stuck with Edward and got him in Rehab. Edward Furlong would of made Terminator 3 so much better.

@themobseat

13 күн бұрын

If you read an interview with Edward Furlong, he was incapable of doing acting at that time do to his addiction issues.

@kathygonzalez1413

11 күн бұрын

​@@themobseatyes of course.

@30AndHatingIt

9 күн бұрын

Hence the “they should’ve gotten him into rehab” part of his comment…

@harryhenderson1973

6 күн бұрын

@@30AndHatingIt Do you know how long rehab can take? Do you know what the failure rate of rehab is?

@yugen

6 күн бұрын

Yeah at the very least they should have tried to find someone that at least looked kind of like him.

So glad Arnold kept after Cameron to make the sequel! T2 is one of my favorite movies of all time!

@Ninja-Hayate

5 күн бұрын

T2 is still the best, whatever comes after it are just fever dreams.

20th Century Fox should have bought Carloco's Assets when they had the chance. Because not only would they have produced the 3rd Terminator Film, they would have also likely produced a Total Recall Sequel (based on Minority Report) as well.

3:03 that *aged* well 😂

@johnpinneriv9958

Ай бұрын

I know, WTF is that even from??

@KasumiKenshirou

29 күн бұрын

@@johnpinneriv9958 I'm pretty sure this must've been after he'd killed two people and he was referencing the killings. Due to double jeopardy laws in the US, once he was found guilty he knew he'd gotten away with murder and could do things like this. O.J. even wrote a book called "I didn't do it, but if I did, here's how I would've done it" or something like that. Chris Rock had previously done a skit where OJ wrote such a book before OJ actually wrote that book, so I get the titles mixed up between the parody and the real one.

@Didyourmomtwice

28 күн бұрын

It did age well given that OJ never killed anyone

@peterlavery8830

24 күн бұрын

​@johnpinneriv9958 it's from an interview where he pranks the interviewer by pretending to stab her, this was after the court hearings

@gizmomogwai1041

21 күн бұрын

"Man, I’m going to tell you, that is some bad luck when the one guy who would’ve died for you kills you"

So far one of my favourite series you have covered, this whole franchise has so much going on.

@thesupervisor3270

Ай бұрын

Idk about all that but Sophia Steward wrote Terminator and Matrix. Don’t believe me look it up

The T3 original script honestly sounds great. I get that Cameron was angry but he kinda let his ego get in the way of making a great movie.

@bhekuyisembhele4940

Ай бұрын

Agreed

@bnew5905

Ай бұрын

That was one of the biggest backstabs of all time, screwing Cameron out of ownership and millions of dollars. Terminator was Cameron's baby. He pored his heart and soul into that franchise and wanted to be an owner and writer for it more than anything. You don't just "let go of your ego" for this one. Just try to put yourself in Cameron's shoes.

@steventruong85

29 күн бұрын

I'm glad Cameron didn't go through with it bc of the fact he didn't want to go through with someone else's script which I agree. It wouldn't have been good imo.

@AndyCarrington-cf3ib

29 күн бұрын

Didn't Cameron postpone making T3 in favour of directing Titantic? Kinda has himself to blame. If he cared so much about the franchise, he should have stuck to his original plan of making T3 with his script before moving on

@Amadeus_Eisenberg

29 күн бұрын

Didn't let his ego get in the way of making a shitty Terminator sequel later on, though.

These videos are beyond fascinating in terms of how the process of filmmaking can change and rearrange day by day. Not to mention what became, rather than what could have been for better or worse, it really makes you think and appreciate what these people go through for our entertainment!

To me, the best Terminator 3 is Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles… such an underrated show, great cast, and really interesting exploration of the different factions and the world of terminator

@tyrannozilla

Ай бұрын

My thoughts exactly.

@ryanthoroman3293

Ай бұрын

Loved that show

@jerrygallo8314

Ай бұрын

🤮

@robirvine6970

29 күн бұрын

It's shit. No one liked it except a small group of hard-core fans. Why can't dorks understand this? You liking something bad doesn't make it good

@SonicProfessor_a.k.a._T._Andra

29 күн бұрын

100%

This is probably the most longest video you've ever made and i'm proud of that.

@ericchilders9234

Ай бұрын

Most longest? I'm not proud of your English. Skynet needs to go to the past and teach you how to read.😁

@Maze383

Ай бұрын

@@ericchilders9234 ever thought that English isn't everybody's first language?

@BubleSwag

29 күн бұрын

​@@Maze383Americans never do. He was probably shoving a Cool Ranch Oreo in his mouth while he typed that

Terminator, the film that didn't need a sequel, but whose sequel managed to surpass the original. And then the other films also happened.

@lazerfrogstudios

28 күн бұрын

Imo t2 is alot worse that t1, not that it’s a bad movie but I think it’s impossible to surpass t1

@meathead6155

27 күн бұрын

​ @@lazerfrogstudios I don't want to bust in your bubble. Although Terminator 1 & 2 are the best, the third one is alright, fourth is ok, and the rest such as Genisys and Dark Fate aren't that good. Although the second Terminator is way better than the first one. Just saying.

@lazerfrogstudios

27 күн бұрын

@@meathead6155 imo the characters are worse, the plot is contrived, basically the same genreal plot other than like character changes, the child acting is really not that good (no offence to the kid actor, child actors are never THAT good) ultimately is just a rehash of the first one instead of focusing on the obvious sequel that would be what salivation turned out to be.

Love your use/editing of movie clips to compliment the play by play of the alternative film treatments. Cool stories and great work compiling/celebrating them!

@Bulletsandblockbusters

Ай бұрын

Thanks!

Hasta La Vista the rest of my day I’m about to binge this whole video and the whole terminator series

@Bulletsandblockbusters

Ай бұрын

Haha

Finally, this is a question I've waited almost 3 decades to find out, and the only thing I had to go off was the amusement park attraction.

Actually 4's ending was supposed to be They'd put John's face on Marcus... Who'd then have his eyes go red and kill everyone in the room. Director even said as much. People reacted badly as they should have.

@thebluemangoes8839

26 күн бұрын

If he didn't kill everyone, and it was about the symbol, that would have been dope imo

@32BitJunkie

25 күн бұрын

What. Source?

@davidw.2791

10 күн бұрын

@@thebluemangoes8839How can they still win the war if both John is dead and the Replacement is also evil?😮

@thebluemangoes8839

10 күн бұрын

@davidw.2791 nah im saying if Marcus wasnt evil

@davidw.2791

10 күн бұрын

@@thebluemangoes8839 Oh yeah you’re right!

The trilogy of T2 novels (starting with 'T2: Infiltrator') did a pretty good job of continuing the universe.

@tyrannozilla

Ай бұрын

I've thought about reading them.

@TeachReads

Ай бұрын

@@tyrannozilla not to be 'that guy' and start plugging stuff, but I have the first one as an audio book on my channel. 'Rising Storm' and 'Future War' will follow.

@tyrannozilla

Ай бұрын

@@TeachReads Cool.

@RisingUnderdog

Ай бұрын

I'll have to look into those

@TeachReads

Ай бұрын

@@RisingUnderdog S.M. Stirling is the author of all three. There is some retconning (but that’s what you get with multiple timelines!) but the plot is sound. It picks up just after the events of T2 and then skips forward, mostly following Sarah and John (who is now 18). Skynet still somehow exists in the future, and has once again sent something back to change the past… The first book is good, but pretty long. The audio book version comes in at about 21 hours.

There would be so much testosterone in a Terminator movie starring both Arnold Schwarzenegger and Vin Diesel every man would leave the theater with a fully grown mustache and a Busch Light can in hand.

The most time stamps I’ve seen on a 20 minute video lol. Thanks for the extra effort 🙏

Speaking of Terminator: Salvation, I feel that Sam Worthington would've been more convincing as John Connor over Christian Bale. He just had more of the look and charisma that I'd imagine John to have in the future war.

@guysmiley4830

29 күн бұрын

I liked Salvation. It was better than t3 at least

@CBU-oq1lu

28 күн бұрын

Worthington might be a good guy but one thing he has not, and thats charisma.

@chrisdude2675

26 күн бұрын

Thats so true. He seemed more like a grown up Nick.

@DavidLLambertmobile

25 күн бұрын

Worthington was offered the Duke part in GI Joe but declined it. That went to Chaning Tatum.

@tyrannozilla

24 күн бұрын

@@DavidLLambertmobile Sam would've been better.

I will, more than likely, never meet James Cameron. So here... I will say Mister James C. thank you so very much for making The Terminator. It has and always will be my most favorite movie. Thank you. Terminator 1 is a masterpiece. Only wish some of the cgi could be remastered.

@geoswan4984

26 күн бұрын

@PumpkinJack88 ... you say "cgi"... did you really mean the special effects? Most of the effects were what are now called "practical effects" - that is actual models, and so on. I think the only computer effects were the screens we see, where the robot picks possible responses from a list of choices. If you want to replace the practical effects with CGI effects, I couldn't disagree more. Those practical effects were done extremely well. There are other films, that had practical effects re-done to use CGI, decades ago, and the CGI has aged badly. Leave it as it is, please

@PumpkinJack88

26 күн бұрын

@@geoswan4984 the part with the knife and eye in the mirror is really mostly the part I would retouch.

@Garrysullivanjones

4 күн бұрын

@@geoswan4984Stan Winston !!!!!

@Garrysullivanjones

4 күн бұрын

@@PumpkinJack88that scene alone shows the brilliant effort of Stan Winston and his team . Mad. Respect

@DavideTerminator

3 күн бұрын

​@@PumpkinJack88No! This is a fantastic B movie ! No CGI. Stan Winston🙏

This is just my opinion, so feel free to disagree; but I think Terminator Salvation would’ve been a good follow up to T2, had it been done differently. Had it been released in the mid-late 90s with either James Cameron or George Miller directing and made in the same vein as Mad Max - a post-apocalyptic, sci-fi, action thriller - I think it would’ve been great!

@Bulletsandblockbusters

Ай бұрын

Love that idea

This other version of the Terminator 3 script sounds awesome.

@markcarpenter6020

29 күн бұрын

I won't say awesome but better than what we got.

@travismiddleton8218

29 күн бұрын

@@markcarpenter6020 true enough

Sarah Connor Chronicles was best continuation of T2. I wish it hadn’t been canceled. The overall atmosphere of that show was perfection.

@ScotsGal

15 күн бұрын

Totally agree ...I loved the Sarah Connor chronicles....it was better than T3 ,Genysis or the vile Dark Fate

@kathygonzalez1413

11 күн бұрын

​@@ScotsGalI agree 👍

I love Terminator Salvation, its such a badass movie and definitely underrated

@user-hz5lt7ki2o

Ай бұрын

badass? They watered down Terminator for Teens. They don't even play the Terminator theme lol. It's trying so hard not to be a Terminator film. It's just a cash grab set up film for a trilogy that never happened.

@captainmobius5823

29 күн бұрын

RIP Anton

@thekingofra5063

25 күн бұрын

Yes, a decent film.

@christianaguirre4069

23 күн бұрын

Better than genisys that's for sure

Love that Terminator 1 was done through guerrilla filmmaking.

@stsolomon618

Ай бұрын

I remember going to the Terminator ride. Fun ride.

I want to live in the timeline where Chyna got to be a Terminator

@djpegao

Ай бұрын

Yeah, maybe that would have kept her relevant or at least make her more focused on her carrer instead of falling to her inner demons.... or it could have speed them up, guess wellynever know

Dang now I really wish we got the original story for terminator three

Terminator: Salvation was a good movie. Way better than the last two. Wish we couldve continued that story.

@stealthmode1303

Ай бұрын

A lot of interesting ideas and had a lot of potential

@shamusomalley4263

Ай бұрын

Oh, good for you!

@leecroft7311

Ай бұрын

@@stealthmode1303Agree, shame that it carried on with Genisys (my vote for the worst of the series) But honestly I enjoyed Dark Fate. The only part I would have taken out was the T-800 that killed Conner ended up in a family and had a business that sells curtains or something… wtf was all that about, so weird. Everything else I liked. Terminator 3… take out the odd silly humour part, better movie. Salvation… really enjoyed it. Genisys… just awful throughout. Dark Fate… it’s no Salvation but better than T3 and Genisys.

@pegcity4eva

Ай бұрын

Drapes lol

@johnpinneriv9958

Ай бұрын

It at least attempted to not be a retread of T2, which every other movie was. I think it had some bold ideas, but ultimately just did not work at all for me (and a lot of other people).

Not just a fantastic recap but the editing of this video was absolutely spot on - every time uou made a new point about the intended script youd have rhe perfect b-roll to overlay

@Bulletsandblockbusters

28 күн бұрын

Thnx!

The original Time Machine is a biblically accurate angel

@Bulletsandblockbusters

Ай бұрын

💯 don’t be afraid

The T3 ending ... and the T3 cutscene with an Austrian scientist ... are the best minutes of T3

Lance Henriken had been planned to return in the sequels where he survived the attack on the police station.

@kytim89

29 күн бұрын

He would be paralyzed in a wheelchair.

@thugsfunny7594

15 күн бұрын

After being hit by both an Assault rifle and an Automatic shotgun at point blank range? I doubt that..

The Terminator franchise should have ended with Terminator 2

@WillNelson73

Ай бұрын

What do you mean? It DID end with T2 with old Sarah playing with her granddaughter on the playground.

@spyder-man0462

Ай бұрын

@@WillNelson73 Yes that was the true ending of the franchise

@ereignishorizontab7218

Ай бұрын

​@@WillNelson73I hate this ending, it looks and feels like a scene out of a star trek next geneneration episode.

@QuicksilverSG

Ай бұрын

Sarah Connor Chronicles was its worthy successor.

@l.pricetag.5207

Ай бұрын

No. TSCC was a great show and Resistance was an awesome game. Salvation was an interesting idea too.

No one would have believed OJ Simpson could be a killer!

"But James, I want you to listen to me very carefully. I'm the Term-i-naeigh-TOR!!! NYAAAAAARGH! You have GOT to let me shoot somebody!! NYYYYYAAAArrrrGGGGhhhhHHH!!!!" "Ok, Arnie. Once in the leg." "NYYYYaaaaaaaaaaaa............."

@Garrysullivanjones

4 күн бұрын

You own the arnold accent no doubt, get down

so the 2 founders of carolco are the reason why we got terminator 3,Salvation,Genesys and Dark Fate

@markcarpenter6020

29 күн бұрын

Yeah they did a really bad job. I see why Cameron didn't want them to own the rights.

Your narration and the images you used are amazing I swear I feel like I just watched the alternate terminator 3 movie!!!

@Bulletsandblockbusters

Ай бұрын

Thanks!

I just can't imagine Lance Hendrickson playing a robot.

@Klaus-em3ix

11 күн бұрын

😁good joke

Honestly I just want to see a successful trilogy set after Judgement Day, with the resistance against the machines. A young Kyle Reese as the lead. I thought Salvation was going to give us that, but not a lot of people liked it. Too bad. At least there's an anime series set during the war we're getting soon on Netflix

@user-hz5lt7ki2o

Ай бұрын

See I don't understand why we need a trilogy. That's a huge problem with T3 - Dark Fate. Every sequel after T2 tried to kick of a trilogy and we got set up films. T1 & T2 told complete stories. This franchise was never about trilogies. Look how many times Hollywood has tired to manufacture a trilogy and it's turned into a disaster. Hell, Terminator has done it 4 x now! Just give us one great future war movie. Make it Terminator meets the opening to Saving Private Ryan. 2hour plus war movie set in Cameron's future. If it's successful they can always expand. I think trying to create a 3 movie arc has really helped destroy this franchise. Salvation basically ends with John saying "tune in next week for the next adventure" .

One of the script ideas I read about years ago was a Back to the Future 2 concept.A Terminator and the heroes of the story go back to 1984 .They see the events of the first Terminator movie going on while they themselves are fighting, and they dont interact with them so that all the events never change.

wow this version seems way better then well what we got after well 2

2:12 Guess fighting over creative control on a movie with your future spouse doesn't make for a solid relationship.

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@kathygonzalez1413

11 күн бұрын

😅😅😅😄

I always thought the original T3 script was a lot better. Some changes i would have made would be adding Kat Brewster and keeping Sarah dead (yeah i now but even Linda said her arc was done) and having the nukes actually go off like in the final version of T3. In the older script it really gives you hope that they can stop judgement day with John and the Terminator working with the feds instead of running from them in a sort of reversal. Judgement day still happening would be even more of a punch in the gut. John killing the T-X is great also, great way for him to step up instead of needing to be saved.

Excellent work if you are able and willing terminator salvation trilogy and terminator genesis trilogy

@Bulletsandblockbusters

Ай бұрын

For sure!

This channel just keep knocking it out of the park, 6 mins in and it already provided so much insight. 10/10 would recommend

I had a chance to see and experience Terminator 3D and even though it was loud due to the machine gun fire it was awesome to see this continution from T2 and see Arnold back as the Terminator, Edward Furlong as John, does indeed battle across time and space.

@kathygonzalez1413

11 күн бұрын

Cool

Man, I got to see Terminator 3D when I was a kid. I completely forgot about it and was staring at the screen going "This is familiar..." I didn't remember it until you said the name. It was pretty cool, especially for the time. The dude riding the Harley around the stage was awesome. Thanks for dredging that one up.

I still believe that the "Sarah Connor Chronicles'" TV series was the best continuation the franchise ever received following T2. That show, imo, did a wonderful job in expanding the lore of Sarah/John and the future war, while also remaining respectful to the first two films (and ignoring T3). Of course, good old FOX didn't know what they had and cancelled it on, what is probably, the biggest cliffhanger I've ever seen in my life. The biggest kick in the face from that was that FOX didn't even announce that the show was cancelled till over a month after the final episode aired. You can probably imagine how upset my family and I were after that, as we had believed we were going to get a third season. Another kick in the face was that after that series, we ended up getting Genishit and Dark Fart in its place. And people wonder why Hollywood is considered a farce. So, even though the Sarah Connor Chronicles is an unfinished continuation to the franchise, I'd rather the story remain unfinished than turn to shit. EDIT: Also, the first Terminator is my personal favorite film in the franchise, and my favorite James Cameron film overall.

@Christian39521

Ай бұрын

If I remember correctly, the showrunner said at comic con that they had stories for 4 seasons. Interesting that Cameron wanted to do the third one with Fox and they aired the tv series. And the showrunner was involved in Terminator: Dark Fate. He was one of the writers.

@tyrannozilla

Ай бұрын

@@Christian39521 I've heard about that, and that details about seasons 3 and 4 haven't been revealed. I'd also argue that since the showrunner was involved with Dark Fate, his script probably got shredded during production, and that's how we ended up with that abomination.

@QuicksilverSG

Ай бұрын

I didn't see the finale as a cliffhanger, but as a full circle back (actually forward) to the human origin of Cameron. Had the series continued into a third season, it would've been rebooted into a completely different storyline, an apocalyptic wartime romance between John and Cameron (in human form). Frankly, it's kind of hard to picture how the show could've worked without Sarah Connor, as John's season 2 love affair with Kacy was pretty cringe and so much of Cameron's appeal was rooted in her robotic nature.

@Christian39521

Ай бұрын

@@QuicksilverSG if I remember correctly, the showrunner said that it acts as a series finale and as a season finale in case they didn't get renew. He mentioned it in the commentary. Thomas Deker and Summer Glau have given hints of what could've happen in season 3. I remember in the old days of the IMDB message boards, there were rumors of what would've happen in seasons 3 and 4.

@tyrannozilla

Ай бұрын

@@QuicksilverSG You do make a valid point with the finale. The way it ended, you could easily leave it ambiguous as to what would happen next. At the time, however, it was meant to lead into a third season. I do agree that Cameron's robotic nature is what made her unique, as well as some moments when her "humanity" kicks in (the episode where her memory glitches and she acts more like human is a masterpiece). Summer Glau's performance was truly one of the best I've ever seen, right up there with Lena Headey's portrayal of Sarah. Still, I would've trusted the writers at the time to deliver something interesting in season 3 and beyond, but we'll never know.

According to Schwarzenegger's autobiography, he didn't want to make a third, and didn't like Producer Andrew Vajna. However, he had been paid on T2 with the expectation there'd be a third, and the producers only got the money because of Schwarzenegger's name and threatened to sue him if he backed out.

@jamesknapp64

29 күн бұрын

yeah he was considering running for Gov in the 2002 election, but b/c of threat of being sued for T3 he delayed that till the recall election with Gray Davis.

This is genuinely your best work yet, what a great freaking episode man. Thanks for putting in all the hard work.

@Bulletsandblockbusters

Ай бұрын

Thrilled you dug it! Thanks man!!!!

this is the best one youve done for a while!! thanks B&B for the ever great content!!

Terminator salvation aged really well compared to the other crap that we got

I actually really liked Terminator Salvation, so it's cool to see that it's part of some original furthering idea instead of being more of a cash grab. Thought that Sam's character was very interesting with him being an outsider's PoV to the otherwise already seen Kyle Reese and John perspectives. That and Christian Bale pretty much always rocks in whatever role he plays.

Terminator Salvation is underrated and got better with age.

@dan_hitchman007

Ай бұрын

I'm going to disagree with that. It makes T2 absolutely feel like the conclusion as Rise of the Machines does too many things wrong. For one, a completely weak and sniveling John Connor was an awful idea and the digital effects were mostly pretty bad. The script still needed a lot of work too.

A 20 MINUTE VIDEO?? THIS IS CINEMA thank you Mr. Bullets and Blockbusters

It's shame that they didnt follow up on Terminator Salvation Trilogy ! It had a good continuity and the atmosphere of a dystopian future was good !

Im not gonna lie, I think we should've been able to see James Camerons version of Terminator 3 and just moved on acting as if the real terminator 3 never happened, they tried to do this, but James Cameron decided to change every thing and make Dark Fate which was a horrendous idea and who knows what could've been going through his head when he decided to make those decisions. In my opinion they should just never make another Terminator movie and just do Dune prequels becuase the Dune prequel books are about man vs machine, so imagine Terminator in space, further more they could make it significantly different and more philisophical so it doesn't feel too similar to Terminator

I am always so impressed by how you take different clips and make it seem like an version of a movie that was never made.

@Vintage9x

2 күн бұрын

I always really like that as well.

What should have happened was a film version of Robocop vs Terminator.

@NeoConnor1

Ай бұрын

Terminator vs Matrix makes more sense.

Thanks for the amazing video ❤

I LOVE Cameron .... but *DAMN that's a great script!* I understand him not directing, and Sarah should have sacrificed herself to save John so that he could save the world ... but I'm not gonna complain. I can't believe how bad they diverted. They pretty much just kept the title. *Subscribed!*

This was really good, I didn't know of mostly all the stuff you stated.

If Robert Patrick had not had starred as the T-1000, i reckon Jean Claude Van Damme would of been a epic choice.

Terminator Salvations didn’t make enough money? What are you talking about? It came out at number 2 behind The Night at the Museum, it was number one world wide. It went through legal trouble and Chapter 11 Bankruptcy, which is why we never got a 5th film other than Genesys.

Terminator Salvation was way better than Genesis and Dark Fate. Wish they kept the original ending to Salvation

It just shows how films are a symphony of talent, and that all people involved change and create in the art.

Thank you for the video, had awonderful time watching it.

@Bulletsandblockbusters

6 күн бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

So Linda isn't okay with Sarah being unceremoniously dumped at the end of the film, but she's okay with John getting unceremoniously dumped at the beginning of another?

@Olagfigh

29 күн бұрын

Probably two reasons behind it: she played Sarah, not John and also it was Linda from 2000s vs Linda from 2018

@Shiirow

26 күн бұрын

Makes her involvement in Dark Fate all the more understandable, she had as much hate for John as the writers did. I wonder how much of her dialogue was just unscripted musings she had on set.

The inflections in this dudes voice - i just couldnt get past 2 minutes lol

@Rschr101

28 күн бұрын

😂

@Niftified

28 күн бұрын

When editing out breathing turns into having a break after each sentence.

@TheDanK88

27 күн бұрын

@@Niftified thats completely fair. I did not view it that way. I do appreciate you bringing this insight to me

I believe William Wisher said that he was supposed to write the sequel to Terminator Salvation. It would've involved time travel. The T-1000, Sarah and Kyle were supposed to be in it.

Man please make more long videos like this! I could listen all day

@Bulletsandblockbusters

Ай бұрын

Might start a podcast 🤫

@THECAM200

Ай бұрын

@@Bulletsandblockbusters MUSIC TO MY EARS I AM ALL IN

Some day you should do one of these for George Romero's Resident Evil

@chloeirnes

Ай бұрын

That script leaked online years ago. I thought it was pretty good! Certainly a lot more faithful to the game.

Once a film becomes a franchise, it usually means disaster. History has clearly demonstrated this.

@32BitJunkie

25 күн бұрын

There are exceptions. Marvel gave us like a dozen good films, toy story, etc

Really amazing the twists and turns classic movies take during production. A lot of luck and determination is needed to just get it done

I hated that John Connor-killing in Dark Fate, it was set right after the events of T2, and it just feels like it destroyed the whole point of T2

@kathygonzalez1413

11 күн бұрын

I know.

I still find it funny how O.J. Simpson was supposedly "Too Nice" to play The Terminator, considering what happened with him years later.

@kathygonzalez1413

11 күн бұрын

Me too 😄

This T3 sounds better than the one we got

@chillnspace777

15 күн бұрын

WAY better

The fact you've just dropped this video on the same day I'm releasing my Re-edit of Terminator 3 is incredibly spooky. This is great content! That O.J. line didn't age well. hahaha!

Hey Bullets and Blockbusters, I love watching your videos and learning so much movie trivia and history, keep up the great work. Also here is a list of unmade movies that would be awesome to learn and talk about. -the 1980s attempted Live action Mobile Suit Gundam Move (with concept art by Syd Mead) -Steven Spielberg's and Amblin Animation's Cats move -the unmade animated movies of Don Bluth -Disney's Gigantic -the 1990s attempted Sonic The Hedgehog movie -the many attempted adaptations of the manga/anime movie AKIRA the many attempts to adapt Jeff Smith's BONE comic series -the many attempted Muppet movies PS sorry for using the word attempt so much

The problem with the Terminator story is that there’s nowhere to go with it after the second movie. The first one left an open end, where the Terminator’s parts could (and would) be discovered, furthering the development of Skynet. T2 tied that loose end up perfectly, but left nowhere to go after. Any attempts to further the story were just convoluted retreads of the same old tire. The only true way to expand on this story would be to explore into an alternate future, where machines and man exist peacefully side-by-side until a new threat arises and wipes out humanity. But, we already got that with The Matrix (which are the spiritual sequels to The Terminator).

@Ultron71

Ай бұрын

As bad as Dark Fate was it did drop the idea of an interesting take on the time traveling aspect. Since Skynet basically wiped itself out by killing Jon Conner and setting up a new future with another machine entity; then it releases for itself to survive it needs Conner. To make sure it survives Skynet sends another Terminator to stop Jon from being killed but at the same time there is Skynet vs the AI from Dark Fate both trying to keep its timeline intact, and we have Terminator vs Terminator. This could also introduce, and resolve, the alternative timeline from the 2nd season ender of The Sarah Conner Chronicles.

@Olagfigh

29 күн бұрын

They could also make a prequel to T1 about war with machines. They could also go with something like Terminator:Resistance. So what they did? A silly parody of T2 with most lazy script possible. Worst decision in the history of movie sequels.

I liked the idea of T3's ending. Could've been interesting watching how JC becomes the Leader of resistance. With another film set during the future war after T3. The fact each film became less and less violent really sucked. Should've asked Paul Verhoven to direct the 3rd and 4th films. If Cameron wasn't available. That would've been cool.

I loved Terminator Genysis, and am so bummed that the answers they left unanswered will remain that way. Such a fun reboot.

Great video. Really informative. Thank you.