The One Scene That Explains Why INCREDIBLES Worked and FANT4STIC Didn't - SCENE FIGHTS
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The Fantastic Four are almost in the MCU! So let's take a moment to look back at maybe the worst Marvel movie of all time, Fant4Stic, and comparing it to the best Fantastic Four movie--The Incredibles. IN this video we break down one scene that shows why one movie worked, and the other didn't.
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Written by Sailesh Gudipati
Hosted by Ryan Arey ( / ryanarey )
Edited by Harriet Lengel-Enright
#Fant4Stic #TheINcredibles #FantasticFour
Both movies feature a family--of sorts--of superheroes, one with super-strength, one with super stretchiness, another with the ability to turn invisible and create force fields, and one that’s super hot-headed.
These families butt heads a lot of the time as families often do [clip of Bob and Helen fighting].
One of the main characters gets jealous when another person starts flirting with their love interest
And of course, the teams have to put aside their differences and come together at the end to take down the big bad.
It’s not surprising that these franchises are so similar, because The Incredibles was partly based on the Fantastic Four. But then why did it take a Pixar movie to get the Fantastic Four right? Where did the Incredibles succeed that Fant 4 Stic gets so wrong?
Let’s look at two scenes, that are similar we can use them as a point of comparison: the final battles.
The Incredibles is a breathtaking action scene, the culmination of the family drama we’ve seen throughout the film.
Just to recap, the Parr family journeys to a remote Island to save Bob from the clutches of Syndrome. Syndrome plans to spread his technology worldwide so that everyone is special and no one feels left out like he once did as a kid.We argued the merits of his exceptionalism vs collectivism in another video [thumbnail of syndrome was right]
His plan to introduce the world to this technology is by unleashing a robot that he created and defeating it, saving the city and becoming a hero. Unfortunately, the technology malfunctions and he gets knocked out.
The robot runs rampant and the Parr family has to stop it. The stakes are clear. The robot is threatening the city, but most importantly the family we’ve come to love. [b roll kids under attack] The danger is underscored by Bob’s speech at the start of the battle [I’m not strong enough to lose you]
The movie establishes the Parrs as a relatable family. The kids bicker, [clip] and the parents the dad works a dead end job and sneaks off to talk about the good old days. In the scenes leading up to the fight, the normal family dynamic is reinforced when Bob and Helen fight about how to get to the fight. [highway exit ramp fight]
All of this makes them more relatable to the audience. But also this makes the final battle even more rewarding when they’re finally able to work together and direct their hostility where it belongs: against an evil city destroying robot.
The kids are initially tucked away, but after the winnebago is destroyed, they have no place to hide. Everyone is in this together.
This scene symbolizes family and togetherness and is the culmination of all of the family drama we’ve seen thus far.
Each member has a conventional role in the family: the dad is the rock of the family and is strong, the mom is flexible and does many things at once, the teenage girl feels invisible, and the young boys are bursting with energy.
Dash and violet fight all the time but one of the first scenes we see in the final battle is Violet saving Dash and her brother’s concern for her
Mrs. Incredible saves her kids and she tells them [“stay here okay?”]. This aligns with what we saw from her character the rest of the movie where she always prioritizes protecting her kids [clip of them falling out of the plane]
You see the father and son playing catch in this scene [clip where Mr. Incredible throws the remote to Dash] This is a great payoff for the audience because we see Bob supporting Dash using his powers earlier in the movie and it's a great representation of how the father and son duo bond over these superpowers.
There’s even a shot of the family fighting over a remote [clip] which is a classic trope [remote clip from amazing world of gumball]
The Incredibles uses superpowers as a vessel to tell a story about a family. It’s much more focused on the Family Drama aspect than the superhero aspect.
As you can see, it also builds really well off of what we’ve been shown up until this point. It feels satisfying as a conclusion because of this.
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@marcusyates3044
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@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD
Жыл бұрын
@@marcusyates3044 that's easy Multiverse of madness has a legendary director and JL had two bad ones
@icecreamy521
Жыл бұрын
@@marcusyates3044 they both worked what do you mean?!
@marcusyates3044
Жыл бұрын
@@icecreamy521 It's ScreenCrush's title, I'm just doing it for the similarities
Pixar is so incredible at manipulating our emotions that I got teary-eyed just watching Ryan recap the third act.
@chasehedges6775
Жыл бұрын
💯💯💯. Pixar just does it better
@theevilteacher
Жыл бұрын
...at the bus... It got us all.
Incredibly small nitpick (pun intended). In the Incredibles, the robot didn't malfunction. It did exactly what it was programmed to do, in that it was to win in a fight against anything and learn how to defeat any adversary. Syndrome's pursuit to make the robot even more powerful than Mr. Incredible made the robot smart enough to see Syndrome's remote as its own weakness in its fight against Syndrome.
@chasehedges6775
Жыл бұрын
Good point
@jasongarland2282
Жыл бұрын
Hear hear.
@luishenriquez2519
Жыл бұрын
Wow. Never thought of it that way. Good stuff man.
Ryan forgot THE most important lesson "The Incredibles" movie taught us... "No capes!" 😆
@jasongarland2282
Жыл бұрын
And always listen to Ant Edna.
I don't think the technology "malfunctions," he just made it too smart for him. It learned its biggest threat was syndrome so it attacks its master. BTW love this comparison and breakdown. Good job.
Thank you so much for putting up the names of all the movies you use! I'm so tired of creators making those little cutaway jokes and then not even tell us what that was.
I thought they made "Fant4stic Four" just because they had a stipulation in their contract saying that if they didn't do anything with their license for 10 years the rights to the Fantastic 4 would return to Marvel?
@theevilteacher
Жыл бұрын
But why did it have to be that bad?
@apeman505
Жыл бұрын
@@theevilteacher What I read/heard says that they were like, "Oh crap, our ten-year contract is almost up, quick we gotta bang out a script--ANY script--as quickly as possible or we'll lose it," and what we got was a rushed mess.
@TJ52359
Жыл бұрын
I remember the reason that Sony Pivoted from Maguire to Garfield on the time table that they did was that Spidey had a similar cause... and I know that there is an 'ashcan' Fantastic 4 from the 94 made expressly because they needed to have Production in progress by a given date (and it was never intended to see the light of day) so I would not be shocked if a similar clause was in place
@harold3165
Жыл бұрын
@@apeman505 No, there was actually a decent script there but the studio forced changes that ruined it.
I've told everyone that I could for years that The Incredibles is one of the best superhero movies ever. The storytelling is so good, the plot and pacing are concise, and it being an animated movie makes it easier to get out of our own heads to suspend disbelief
@BlackCanvasAudio
Жыл бұрын
The Incredibles is as close as PERFECT as it can get.
I guess that makes Frozone the "Silver Surfer" of the Incredibles
With Watts out, it would seem like Brad Bird would be a natural fit to direct the MCU installment. I know he's mostly an animation guy, but he did a great job on Ghost Protocol
The Incredibles is, well... incredible, and Brad Bird deserves more credit for it. Also, Jon Watts backed out of the MCU FF movies months ago. Can't help but wonder if expectations have been set waaaay too high for this film.
@MarcAquino1095
Жыл бұрын
He said that he needed a break from the comic book movie genre, and given how insane the making of NWH must have been, I don’t blame him.
@WRCzATL
Жыл бұрын
@@MarcAquino1095 No judgement, just a fact.
@harold3165
Жыл бұрын
Well now Matt Shakman is going to crush it.
Alright, that cut to Galaxy Quest is amazing.
I can settle that with one simple point. The writing.
@chasehedges6775
Жыл бұрын
💯💯💯. It was also too focused on being DARK AND GRITTY instead of telling a good story with good, well-defined characters.
Great video, but when did you write/make it? Jon Watts left the project back in April. Just curious as to how long you guys sit on some of these videos.
Jon Watts backed out as director of F4 a couple months ago. How long have you had this on the shelf waiting to release?
I can’t fucking stop laughing everytime Ryan says “Fant 4 stic!”🤣🤣
Hey man, u rock! Hope life is treating you as well as you deserve! Your videos always make me smile.
Ryan, o Jon Watts não vai dirigir mais o filme da Marvel, estão dizendo que ele vai ser substituido pelos diretores de Tudo em Todo Lugar ao Mesmo Tempo
I love your commitment to calling it Fant-4-stic
@DragmaWanderer
Жыл бұрын
Everyone calls it Fan 4 stick.
I think that the worst part of Fant4stic was when somehow Palpatine returned
@chasehedges6775
Жыл бұрын
💯😂😂. LIKE A BANTHA!
Until the Avengers came out I considered The Incredibles the best superhero movie ever. After all that's happened since, it's still in my top 5. "More forced than a Denis Miller reference" LOL
Ah this a unfair to compare, fan four stick failed for multiple reasons even before the movie was gonna come out
@chasehedges6775
Жыл бұрын
Indeed. Even the director, Josh Trank, bashed on it before it even released.
@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD
Жыл бұрын
@@chasehedges6775 I like the movie but it totally dropped the ball
@DWNicolo
Жыл бұрын
Brad Bird gets The Fantastic Four while Josh Trank doesn’t.
@chasehedges6775
Жыл бұрын
@@DWNicolo 💯
@weltsiebenhundert
Жыл бұрын
... but it is the 3rd or so attempt. So why are they even trying?
One movie knew what it wanted to be - the other one forgot what it was.
@chasehedges6775
Жыл бұрын
Exactly.💯👍
@TJ52359
Жыл бұрын
Fant4stic was trying so hard to Not be the then recent F4 Duology... that appears to be their only touchstone to the brand
What's the name of music playing for first 4 Seconds?
I absolutely love these assessments. These are great!
one has Edna, the other doesn't, that's all you need to know
i liked doom pre-transformation, they should have left him for the sequel, and have normal danger for the fantastic 4 to fix, like a meteor or saving a city from a volcano, to make them closer before they have to face him
i died when i heard "go go power rangers" you can feel the dissapointment that SC is experiencing
how do you edit audio
Went into this expecting I’d want to rewatch Fant4stic, for the first time, and instead I’m gonna go rewatch The Incredibles
7:23 i think the used that office room in kingsmen
As a Power Rangers fan, I was a bit insulted using it as a reference to Dr. Doom in this movie, but I also understand. Lol. I would love to see you do a video that helps correct the errors of fan4stic. Great video and great work
I highly recommend you listen to the po0dcast "What Went Wrong" and the episode of the FF where they basically explain the studio killed this movie and the director never had a chance to do his thing. Regards from Mexico.
It's honestly pretty sad and mind-boggling that as of now the best Fantastic Four film is The Incredibles. So far all of the Fantastic Four films are bad with Rise of the Silver Surfer being the best out of Fantastic Four (2005) Rise of the Silver Surfer and Fan4stic
@chasehedges6775
Жыл бұрын
Pretty much. The Incredibles will always be the best.
It would have been cool if the head guy was named Samuel Sterns 7:55.
Not gonna lie, that Power Rangers theme still gets me pumped!
Quién hace los subtítulos en español para este canal? There's no way, no way a computer gives so many latin culture reference in the subs! It feels kind of cool kind of creepy at the same time! I love this channel btw.
I really hope Marvel studios watches this video. Great job man
Everyone laughs at me when I say that The Incredibles is one of my favorite superhero movies ever.
Ngl i like the original thing costume from 2005 rather than the 2015 cgi rock thingy thing
Two things 1) they need to give Doom an origin movie. The story of the ethnic cleansing of his people and then him finding out he is actually the heir to the throne. You can even make it parallel the first ironman movie in the theme. Leave room for his mother and Mephisto ( and maybe he seeks out the Ancient One), but dont go into it right away. 2) fant4stic. Without changing the entire movie, I would have used a similar plot for the movie, but I would have changed the first villain they face to The red Ghost and his super apes. The Russian go to that place first. Ivan sends his apes, they get stranded, he goes to retrieve them and them they all get trapped there. The americans are building their portal from plans stolen from the Russians. the Russians jump the team and escape to America and tear stuff up while being on the run. The government is less antagonistic toward the team because there is a common threat to face on EARTH, before they can use them as weapons or anything else.
actually Ryan Jon Watts stepped down as director of Marvel's new Fantastic Four movie
6:37 praise the editor🤣🤣🤣
You said "Fant four stick" about a half dozen times and it got funnier every time I heard it.
@JoseHerrera-zs6nc
Жыл бұрын
I literally noticed it half way through & thought he was gunna fix it 😆😆 nd it just got funnier ☠️
@jasongarland2282
Жыл бұрын
I thought he was saying "Fan Forced Tic".😈
@WebSpyder777
Жыл бұрын
People were calling it that when first reviewing it. It's not like he came up with something clever.
I still have the theory 20th Century Fox sobataged this movie in order to keep the rights and Marvel Studios would be able to use the characters.
@chasehedges6775
Жыл бұрын
That is interesting to think about
@jasongarland2282
Жыл бұрын
20th Century Fox had to make a move so it could keep its rights to the Fantastic Four and affiliated captures otherwise it would have great back to Marvel. So they though together a script and a cast on a low budget. Rushed it before the deadline to keep the rights.
@TJ52359
Жыл бұрын
they could have made a Good movie, secured the rights and had a property worth making a sequel to to further extend those rights as needed... to do "this" on Purpose would be the definition of 'cut off your nose to spite your face'
To keep the Brad Bird Theme going: The Iron Giant vs. Iron Man The Iron Giant vs. Hulk (2003 version with Eric Bana)
Idk if anybody has ever realized this when it comes to action and superhero genres: Animation and Cartoons always seem to get it right better than Real life action versions do 💯 of the time and this is why i prefer the cartoons and animation cuz the real live versions keep sucking and we never ask ourselves why
The Incredibles(2004) is one of the best Pixar films ever made. Fant4stic is a disaster and one of the worst films of 2015.
@datorxodar4595
Жыл бұрын
I'd go as far as to say The incredibles is one of the best superhero movies of all time. Disney should get Brad Bird to direct the new Fantastic 4 movie.
@chasehedges6775
Жыл бұрын
@@datorxodar4595 💯💯
The previous F4 film was good. The failed attempt to "update" them was I'll advised.
You forgot to file your paperwork, Reed Richards.
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I personally like the 2005 version than the 2015 one
@chasehedges6775
Жыл бұрын
💯
@RicStorm616
Жыл бұрын
They were all pants
@marlonclark1896
Жыл бұрын
same
@seanpvs101moviesproduction3
Жыл бұрын
At least the 2005 Have Fun and Humor but 2015 Verson just becomes depressing and mean spirited.
Incredibles is essentially a family friendly retelling of the Watchmen comics. But it is still incredibly enjoyable.
i can not believe for one second that the Spanish subtitle of this video changed the Miles Teller joke to “Benito…Camelo”. i have been laughing for an hour i don’t know how this happened but im so happy it did. EDIT: For non Spanish speakers it’s basically “Grab deez nutts”.
"Good soldiers... Errr... Follow orders?" Sorry, I can´t resist temptencions. Cheers from Mercedes, Uruguay.
Jon watts isn't doing this movie anymore, whatcha talkin bout Willis?
The Increda-ball is the best tag team combo….ever!
Spiderman no way home vs one more day. Judgment day vs dark fate.
9:28 I love *Power Rangers* ✌️
As a Parr, I can confirm we had the superior film
Awesome video!!! Also I got a list of the top 10 worst Disney Charictors in my opinion in a list and the reasons, and this is my Opinion :) from 10 being the least worse to 1 being the worst, AKA these are Disney Charictors in my opinion that are Worse than Chicken Little's Dad 10. Chicken Little's Dad: he may act horrible in the movie, but to be fair he did lose his wife, and the Turkey Mayer constantly crabs at him, which could lead him to a bad mood, but when Chicken Little corrects him on this, he even said that he was sorry, which in my Opinion is a large redemption for him :) 9. The Turkey Mayer from Chicken Little: He constantly crabs at Chicken Littles Dad for no other reason than his son, which could be why he acts horrible in the first place 8. The Penguins from the Wild: I love the 2006 movie the Wild, but the Penguins from that movie are some of the only bad charictors from that movie, as they are mean and very competitive 7. The Monkeys from Horton Hears a Who 2008: Horton Hears a Who 2008 is a great movie overall, but the Monkeys are territorial, hot-headed, and very mean as well, as they attacked Horton when running into them even tho it was an accident 6. Crash and Eddie from Ice Age 2-6: they may be funny and caring, but they can get a little annoying at times 5. The Hyrax from the Wild: When we met him in the movie, he was extrodenarly carnky, annoying, and rude 4. The Mother Kangaroo from Horton Hears a Who 2008: She is prittymuch the meanest charictor of that particular movie, to the point to were she doesent even let her son do what he wants at all... 3. The Llama from Ice Age 5: Crash and Eddie may be a little annoying, but at least those two care about the main charictors, but the Llama however is not only annoying, but also Hot-headed and Selfish! 2. Mr and Mrs Incredible: these two treat Dash and Violet horribly, there are good things about them, but how that treat Dash and Violet really drops them down this low, and Mrs Incredible even threatened to ground them for an entire month if they didn't stop fighting like how normal siblings do! 1. Mufasa: there are several reasons why I say Mufasa is the Worst, 1 after he saves Simba and Nala from the Hyenas, he didn't even ask Simba why he went, he just straight up assumes Simba just disobeyed him on purpose even tho Scar tricked Simba into going to the Elephant Graveyard, 2 he yells at Scar for not going to the Ceramony even tho Scar was Miserable (yet again that didn't justify Scar Killing Mufasa), 3 he uses Zazu as a target for Simba's pouncing lesson, and 4 he doesent let the Hyenas in the Pridelands at all to eat or drink and the Hyenas will defenently die because of that action alone, and that's why I think Mufasa is the Worst Disney Charictor, and I hate Mufasa!
Dude. I feel like im the only one that uses that spongebob reference irl. Thank you 😎
These are my favorite of your videos.
It's called family. The Incredibles we're already a family
It’s already been revealed that Jon watts has quit the project, like at comic con
The incredible are my favorite animated movie of all time
@chasehedges6775
Жыл бұрын
One of Pixar's best
I hope marvel bring fantastic 4 as a family adventure movie, because it's the core of the story, it always is, from the the original fantastic 4 to the future foundation, every good fantastic 4 movie always the one that about their adventure, even that one-time that they meet jack kirby, and I hope they are the center of the next mcu, it's fitting the secret wars as the final of the current saga
You should do why chronicle is the live action American remake of akira that’s better than what they’ll actually make
Didn't Jon Watts leave the movie?
Denis Miller burn in '22. Nice ref, Cha-cha.
I enjoyed the first FF movie, with Jessica Alba. The writing behind Doom, is my only real complaint.
I didn't even watch that FF movie. Then again I was never a FF fan Not until another "anonymous" channel told me to check out Johnathan Hickmans Secret Wars run (son son son let me tell you) lol Now I really am excited to see them in the MCU. I bet it'll be ... Fantastic
watts was originally going to do it but he turned it down cause he doesn't want to have a whole other franchise on top of the spiderman movies
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I really liked the 2005 Fantastic 4. The 2015 one doesn't exist... I refute its existence.
@pt2k645
Жыл бұрын
Kevin Feige’s imprint can be felt in those Tim Story FF movies. They’re like prototypical MCU movies.
Jon Watts isn't helming it anymore. Curious to who they'll get.
That thing is definitely not Doctor Doom. Happy to say I've never seen this one
@TJ52359
Жыл бұрын
when it was originally announced that they had Teller, Mara, Bell and Jordan as the Titular Quartet I was so Pumped... and then something came up opening weekend so I missed the first night, and I started seeing the reviews... so i waved off... every so often start to think 'it can't be 'that' bad... and the universe puts a video like this out for me to find, and I think "Bullet dodged"
The incredibles is basically the fantastic four with just a few diffrances and it's why people really wanted Brad Bird to actually do a live action movie. The difference between this and fan4stic is night and day, one embraces all aspects of itself and isn't afraid to have fun with the wacky premise while the other tries way too hard to be dark and serious. To the point of refusing to even call themselves by the comic hero name their based on. When people say Incredibles is the fantastic four done right their absolutely right on the mark.
Sadly the John Watts part is no longer correct. And there hasn't been an announcement yet of who will helm the movie. Maybe @ this years D23 if we're lucky. 🤞
Doom in Fant4stic has the exact same motivation as Vecna in ST4, but Vecna has an actual reason to want revenge lol
@docwtf
Жыл бұрын
And the show is very well written and actually shows the motivation
I'm surprised he didn't compare one of them to Justice League Snyder Cut cos it seems to be his favorite film of all time.
Satisfying climax... huhuh huhuh
Your a bit out of the loop here Ryan. John Watts has stood down from directing the Fantastic Four movie
@madroxpi9970
Жыл бұрын
*You’re *stepped down
I am beyond ready to see a good fantastic 4 film. !
@ 0:46 *cough* DC/Warner Bros. *cough*
3:18/4:16/4:46/5:05/5:35/6:21+6:27+6:34 6:56/7:09/8:43/9:40/10:30/10:52/11:33 12:56+13:08/13:22/14:22
@mckinniesmovies3598
8 ай бұрын
10:58 “boring”
@mckinniesmovies3598
Ай бұрын
6:03
Mr. Incredible = The Thing and/or Hulk Elastagirl = Mr. Fantastic and/or Plastic Man Dash = The Flash and/or Sonic Violet = Invisible Woman Jack Jack = Human Torch and possibly other heroes
I thought Jon Watts stepped down from directing the upcoming film?
The fantastic 4 ain’t stopping jack jack alone lol
Jon Watts is no longer directing the new movie this is old news so weird that you got that wrong
Is John watts still directing the fantastic four movie.
Then, are you saying that Joss Wedon was right in adding the russian family in Justice League?
Jack-Jack Parr! ✨👊✨~ ~ 🙌⛩️🕉️☯️⚛️⛩️🙌 ~
Welp, i guess we're doing this.
Jon Watts is no longer directing Fantastic 4.
Why doesn't the guy who did The incredibles do fantastic 4 in the mcu
@marlonclark1896
Жыл бұрын
yeah
Jack jack vs Franklin richards😁
You can bet your ass if Brad Bird directed Fantastic Four it would have been baller too!
I actually watched Fant4stic for the first time two weeks ago just to see how bad it was, that movie got fucked so hard by fox and Josh Trank (mostly fox)
why u gotta hate on Dennis Miller?