"What kills hope?" "Iam a minimum wage job, hope crushing, debt unfulfilling.

@magearamil8626

3 ай бұрын

Jezz man, why so few likes.... Too relatable I guess

@Pablo-gc1ro

3 ай бұрын

Depression, end of the world, death itself...etc there are many things that can kill hope XD

@XJ0461C

3 ай бұрын

​@@Pablo-gc1roThen why are you still here?

@Pablo-gc1ro

3 ай бұрын

@@XJ0461C because I don't have those things.

@XJ0461C

3 ай бұрын

@Pablo-gc1ro Fair, but plenty do who still choose to live. If hope could truly be killed by any of them, those people wouldn't be. Just as anyone can have hope for the future, a great career, a loving family, and yet still fall victim to depression and take their own life.

Lucifer: I am... Netflix. Season cancelling... fan-dreams dashing.

@sourabhkarmakar8040

Жыл бұрын

😂 or James Gunn

@terraespiritus4895

Жыл бұрын

Idk why I laughed hard at this lol It was so random lmao 🤣 😂 😆 💀

@bengbangtbeats

Жыл бұрын

hahaha, good one,

@larryfoster8820

Жыл бұрын

SMH lol

@austinboylan5476

Жыл бұрын

I am Disney +. Subscriber stealing. Content mogul.

An accurate representation of two roleplayers engaged in rp combat unwilling to let their character lose

@SomeYouTubeTraveler

25 күн бұрын

Me and my brothers increasingly invincible shields amd unblockable lasers times infinity plus 1

Lucifer: I am anti-Life Darkseid: It was supposed to be me! not him ...

@arthursouza9641

9 ай бұрын

Well, the anti life it´s only a simple coin for Lucifer or the endless,because they are much more powerful than darkseid or super hero.

@SirsasthNigam.

Ай бұрын

Lucifer is Lightbringer so Lucifer can't kill hope

@dropsofsunliteinspiration6371

12 күн бұрын

Good ygo ref there. Love it.

@yusufusman2920

10 күн бұрын

her??

"Tell me Lucifer Morningstar, what power would Hell have if those here imprisoned were not able to dream, of Heaven." Neil Gaimen is such a good writer! lol

@sanggreceleste33

Жыл бұрын

Damnnnnnn!!!

@alltheworldsastage4785

Жыл бұрын

One of the very best!

@thc1859

Жыл бұрын

Reminds me of a God of War 3 note in Hades, "loss and agony I know too well, but it's when the voice sings of hope, do I truly suffer"

@nishikaze

Жыл бұрын

That line... Chills...

@wesleygaitan

Жыл бұрын

@@sanggreceleste33 I didn't understand that line, care to elaborate?

One of the most interesting style of fights. It would seem almost silly that these power beings would have a typical fight. Great imagination.

@alltheworldsastage4785

Жыл бұрын

Indeed.

@carolingrant3101

Жыл бұрын

Right? Imagine them fighting like superheroes.. Great solution here!

@caffemocca8855

Жыл бұрын

I'm glad they don't fight like typical superheroes lol. These beings are like... Outerversal. Making them shoot beams at each other would feel silly & underwhelming instead, like Spectre vs Anti Monitor in those CW shows.

@spongebobsmirk1528

Жыл бұрын

@@caffemocca8855 you could say the MCU does the same as CW when using a cosmic character. Both of them are garbage.

@pariswashington5543

Жыл бұрын

What exactly is happening here

when i first saw this fight i was impressed as other movies and shows don't know or don't understand what a spiritual battle is, this was extremely well done.

@alexdelaloire8739

3 ай бұрын

howl's moving castle did it very well imo

@thejamesasher

2 ай бұрын

how? reality kills hope and Luc didn't know that!? Luc needs to get out more.

@renaissanceman5847

2 ай бұрын

it was GAYYYEEE

@akuashados4034

2 ай бұрын

​@@thejamesasher Hope inspires us to shift reality.

@itsneverlupus5544

Ай бұрын

​@@thejamesasherreality doesn't kill hope. How one interprets reality is more important than reality itself for our emotions and state of mind

I love how they express such monumental levels of power in such a esoteric/abstract way for a change, it differentiates the from the typical ‘super powered’ hero/villain, and as they should be; these guys are the kinda guys that are quite literally the next thing to God in DC himself

@suitedpanda3108

4 ай бұрын

Absolutely. My favorite part of the comic

@michellestr8998

3 ай бұрын

Its a different kind of story.

@CE77777

3 ай бұрын

@@michellestr8998 facts

@michellestr8998

3 ай бұрын

@@CE77777 They called it the oldest game. I assume God and Lucifer or Archangel Micheal played it when they got bored, like people play bridge or something.

@CE77777

3 ай бұрын

@@michellestr8998 may well be, they could even adapt it as the game that God used to create creation itself with the way it works, an that only beings with creative prowess of god like beings can even qualify to play due to the nature & scale of their powers

I adore the way Dream says "I am a universe. All things encompassing, all life embracing." His voice is soothing and gives me chills at the same time.

@hyped-up-charlie

Жыл бұрын

Yea I liked that to when Lucifer said she was anti life and dream said he was hope it reminded of Superman and darksied

@donpachelf5365

Жыл бұрын

And contrary to that, Lucifer replies with "I am anti-life, The Beast of judgement" gave me chills, just imagining the end of everything with a few words.

@stepheniebowen6527

Жыл бұрын

The podcast with his chapter is very soothing, it put me straight to sleep last night and i say that as a good thing. So comforting, his voice

@i1woo

Жыл бұрын

1000th like here! I totally agree, this is my most favorite scene and I love that part the most.

@Cristobels-Green-Boots

Жыл бұрын

@Anida: Yeah, a voice that you wish you could curl up inside... 🙏🏽💔🙏🏻

The fact that Lucifer cannot bring herself to to “kill” hope itself bc it would mean forever abandoning any chance to escaping Hell. Thats why the cut of her going “give him back his helm” is so perfect.

@WAVYU5

Жыл бұрын

you get it.

@Zak-tk8wv

Жыл бұрын

Indeed

@hfar_in_the_sky

Жыл бұрын

And I personally like to choose to think that it's not that Lucifer doesn't know how to kill hope but choose not to. Because as you said, that would mean abandoning the one thing they're not will to give up on

@chriscyrelestil304

Жыл бұрын

It would mean killing herself. Lucifer Morning Star, the Light Bringer, Dawn Bringer, her name suggests Hope. Dawn is the symbol of Hope, so as bringing light and a morning star. It was checkmate.

@vietcuongnguyenle8530

Жыл бұрын

@@chriscyrelestil304 that title about hope is no longer relate with lucifer After lose in the war, he just is lucifer the fallen angel And even if he still is lucifer morning star, his title not bound by the hope of dream, it should be the opposite, hope of dream will be bound by lucifer Because lucifer is who beyond dream

I always come back to this “fight” when i'm bored of superpowers and all of that stuff. This is so brilliant.

@souillonsousion8687

3 күн бұрын

Idk, this kind of battle seems a bit stupid to me as the universe is "finite" therefore there is a definite end to such a battle. It's like, idk, fighting with the rule of whoever say the longest english win or whoever can describe the biggest object in the universe, obviously anyone know that a whale is bigger than a cat or a galaxy bigger than the Sun, there is no point in beginning with basic thing when you know of bigger, when in such fight it all comes down to your own knowledge and imagination. I mean this looks cool and all but it's like a fight that don't make sense to begin with. Especially when your opponent is the god of Dreams... It's a cool fight and concept but I see nothing brilliant here. Does Lucifer expected to win when using "wolf" or "serpent" ? Obviously he would find something better. So why not begin immediatly with anti-life ? That would make no sense for the plot of course but that doesn't make it brilliant IMO.

Morpheus: I am ...YOUR FATHER Lucifer: Oh, bloody hell

@jpf7942

10 күн бұрын

It's impossible!!!!!!!!

This is how battles between abstract, all-powerful entities should be, not a series of flashy blasts. Instead a battle of will and imagination.

@hussainakram6823

Жыл бұрын

This scene is a tribute and reference to the 1960s animated film titled The sword in the stone. It is take of Merlin the wizard battle a duel with a wicked witch at medieval England.

@rubengalindo8298

Жыл бұрын

Lmfao no it shouldnt, in the Bible lucifer gets his teeth kicked in by Michael.

@ashishsengupta6980

Жыл бұрын

@@hussainakram6823 cool fact, thanks for the new knowledge.

@ashishsengupta6980

Жыл бұрын

@@rubengalindo8298 well maybe the Bible authors didn't have a good imagination.

@Jasmine-lj8qw

Жыл бұрын

@@rubengalindo8298 he means in the movies

This is how a fight between Gods should be!! " I am anti-life, the dark, at the end of everything" that line gave me chills

@Sebisajiminstan

Жыл бұрын

The way she says it as well, i find it absolutely brilliant. So softly, it’s almost like a caress

@thomashelmka6438

Жыл бұрын

I love how it is a concept that wins in the end. Hope is a construct, often fleeting but always ready to be born again.

@Anzerke

Жыл бұрын

Took me a few watches to notice Lucifer encompassing the universe as it dies.

@CVargas202

Жыл бұрын

the morning star was criminally under-power in it's own show

@motamuugi5852

Жыл бұрын

I was waiting for some John Wick action slow mo shit but damn this really blew away my expectations

2:43 i just realize when she says "i am the anti-life" the silhouette of angel or her appears as the darkness ..

@MihajloNastic

3 ай бұрын

*him?

@mrcheesemunch

2 ай бұрын

@@MihajloNasticSuch beings wouldn't really have a gender they're a bit beyond all that

@MihajloNastic

2 ай бұрын

@@mrcheesemunch they have no gender but are reffered to as male/men. Their pronounce/pronounse is He/him and Lucifer was always in all texts mentioned with male pronons like all other angels. They would not really have genders but you MUST refer to them in same gender they and their creator refer to them. Either use He/Him/Himself or go by genderless since if we are objective female is wrong.

@MihajloNastic

2 ай бұрын

@@mrcheesemunch if you say they dont have gender then that is counter argument on @istanakucing07 too because that person misgendered either way.

@SirsasthNigam.

Ай бұрын

@@MihajloNastic Lucifer is Lucifer

Lucifer's voice literally giving me chills to the bone

“I am anti-life” as she spoke in the calmest, peaceful and most innocent demeanor. This scene is top notched!! If it wasn’t for episode 5-6, this will be my favorite episode! They captured the brilliance and magnificence of Lucifer in this scene! Kudos to Gwendoline for portraying it well!

@gaze5393

Жыл бұрын

It would be more of a detached, apathetic and melancholic demeanor over peaceful/innocent. But agreed! Great scene with a fantastic actor.

@chessophy3688

Жыл бұрын

"I am a bacterium"? really?

@glintongordon6811

Жыл бұрын

@@chessophy3688 huh? It was a game of things that trump other things that made sense

@lifeofentropy

Жыл бұрын

@@chessophy3688 deadlier than anything else on earth so it makes sense. there literally was no other non cosmic thing he could choose after that

@rianjohannemanaoismanzon7258

Жыл бұрын

I Am The Multiverse Alternative Realities Different Worlds Alternative Earths

The way Morpheus and Lucifer battle through wits and imagination rather than strength and power is exactly the kind of thing that Gods would do. This scene is what solidified this show as one of my all-time favorites.

@johnstovall7503

Жыл бұрын

Agreed, I was so pleasantly surprised by the battle.

@slewone4905

Жыл бұрын

no, the way supernaturals fight is through us.

@user-bz6gh5ng2m

Жыл бұрын

@@slewone4905 there is no such thing as something that is supernatural. Everything can be explained.

@aSpectreAppears

Жыл бұрын

Brienne of Tarth using a direwolf was cool.

@cummiestcat

Жыл бұрын

The fact that their imaginations actually *affects* them in all real way just make it more powerful.

Love the depiction of this fight. So weird and creative. I like the change that it's between Morpheus and Lucifer rather than the demon that took the helm. Bit of building for things to come. For some reason I was surprised they kept Anti-Life because it's such a DC concept, but I suppose it's name spells out what it is clearly enough for non-comic readers. edit: except I hate Matthew butting in. Feels like it should be against the rules, for one. And for two it's way too heavy handed, too much spelling shit out. I'm sure Patton's a huge fan of the graphic novel but his voice is distracting. Minecraft story mode sounding ass

@silver292

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, I didn't like that either. Was almost like Dream was giving up when in the comics he maneuvered the demon into a trap. He was a little bit too weak-willed in this live-action....

@The13thMaker

4 ай бұрын

Holy shit I just hit that part in the clip and it is ROUGH

@syrupybrandy2788

4 ай бұрын

62% of Americans never went to college. Spelling shit out is almost necessary so the dumb viewers out there would understand what is happening. You'd notice actors explaining concepts when they should be obvious to everyone in the scene. Even the Lord of the Rings movies have it. "A diversion", as if we don't know. We do, but there are countless others who don't.

@manumainio3451

Ай бұрын

I wish they'd gone with something other than anti-life. Like "entropy" or "the big freeze". Suppose those couldn't be countered by hope though.

“What is it that kills hope” I AM DEPRESSION

@shadearca

Ай бұрын

The point is not that hope cannot be killed, it's that Dream understands that Lucifer will not do it. Because then hope dies for him to (hope to escape hell, win the war against his father etc). So he gives up.

The best part about this "game" is that everything can be beaten, everything has a counter. However, in order to destroy something you must accept the absolute truth of what you become, and there are things which we all refuse to do. Lucifer cannot destroy hope without accepting the inevitability of it's defeat in the great war. The way to win is not to think of something bigger or grander than the opponent, but to understand the opponent before they understand you.

@ajedrezbrasil7968

Жыл бұрын

They are also very powerful as they can survive poison, i wouldn't recommend this game to normal humans

@luiousy7329

Жыл бұрын

@@ajedrezbrasil7968 yes, they are outerversal entities after all

@RightANDTruong

Жыл бұрын

Very good point. The only counter to hope is doubt and to accept that Lucifer would have to accept that despair

@zemocon2868

Жыл бұрын

Doubt does not defeat hope completely. It's not really an effective counter.

@androkguz

Жыл бұрын

YES! Someone who gets it. I mean, it should be obvious to Lucifer of all beings what destroys hope "Abandon Hope All Ye Who Enter Here" read the gates of Hell according to Dante HELL Hell is the thing that destroys hope. Or at least it should be... Except Lucifer the Light Bringer, the first one to be on Hell, has still not lost hope for a life outside Hell The age of the universe they has been cast into the place that destroys all hope and they still hold on to a shiver of hope That's why the Morning Star can't respond to that move

Dream: I am hope Me: I am depression Dream: I am therapy Me: I am broke

@bu11ymaguire

10 ай бұрын

Fatality.

@ji_sln

2 ай бұрын

i am work

@SleepingBearZzZz

Ай бұрын

Me: I am frustration Dream: I am hope Me: I am exhaustion Dream: I am rest Me: I am work Dream: I am freedom Me: I am slavery

@BuriedFlame

Ай бұрын

_"I am Spartacus!"_

@SleepingBearZzZz

Ай бұрын

@@BuriedFlame 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

I love how much they SELL this. And how well it's directed.

This scene will never get old.

@nightstepnightstep8484

Ай бұрын

Which chapter is this bro?

@MorriganWarrioress

Ай бұрын

Pardon?

When Matthew said: "I believe Dream of the Endless would never leave his raven behind in hell with Lucifer." That was touching.

@salmanpromise1484

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, and he's lucky that Lucifer show mercy and don't burn him alive in that moment LoL

@douglaspaulson9190

Жыл бұрын

That was so stupid. Just spelled it all out. Ruined the whole thing

@ravoniesravenshir3926

Жыл бұрын

I thought to myself... "I am a 9-5 Job at Wal-mart, hope crushing dream wrecking"

@chanterelle483

Жыл бұрын

Imagine being Matthew, one day you are a regular lad and the next day you are a raven servant of Dream and you are in a grave danger of getting stuck in hell.

@jhonjd1711

Жыл бұрын

That's the Hope, spoked by Dream

It’s so interesting how it starts off with scenarios that inflict damage and then Dream starts defending by explaining scenarios that inspire life and creation. It’s a perfect way to show how different Lucifer and Dream are in terms of personalities.

@angela.luntian

Жыл бұрын

For me its the most threatening depiction of lucifer in a biblical sense on any tv show rn. Youd think shes a sinner in a human sense. No. Shes a sinner of the type bigger than mankind. An angel, a powerful one, that despises everything the Endless cares about. I havent read the comics but is there any reason why she just stays in hell and not wreak havoc in the waking world?

@eligreg99

Жыл бұрын

@@angela.luntian Lucifer is a male played by a woman. What is so hard to understand about that? Lol

@FloydRos

Жыл бұрын

@@eligreg99 Lucifer is actually neither

@SadBirbHours

Жыл бұрын

@@angela.luntian I won’t spoil anything but Lucifer plays a fairly massive role later on in the story and they kind of answer that.

@eligreg99

Жыл бұрын

@@FloydRos Lucifer is 100% a male that is suppose to look androgynous. There’s no debate about that you can go look it up.

I like that they acknowledged the meaning of Lucifer... The bringer of light.

I love how Lucifer looks like a macabre medieval painting brought to life, pointed wings and all.

@ExtremeCrafter

7 ай бұрын

frfr

This scene is epic. I was expecting a duel of physical and magical strength. What's more amazing with this Oldest Game, is we used to play this when we were kids, not as eloquent and deadly thou.😄

@vidblitz

Жыл бұрын

Yes I remember those, right along with the 'my daddy can beat up your daddy' battles

@atalaiajurubeba8984

Жыл бұрын

Or "your mama is so fat" games, even here in Brazil we have these kind of games

@bluejay9638

Жыл бұрын

Well they did state that Lucifer is eons ahead of him in power, even with full power, so I knew they were gonna have to improvise somehow

@farrel_ra

Жыл бұрын

@@bluejay9638 yeah, maybe Dream of the Endless would lose or even die if it's a real fight against Lucifer Morningstar, Ruler of Hell

@Mr.ParanoidParrot

Жыл бұрын

Thats why we are all Gods children And always protected coz there is nothing to hurt us . This represents universal win in any reality .

I still can't believe they adapted this scene so well from the comic. The show does take some liberties in streamlining the story, but it still stays extremely faithful to the source material and making it even more impactful. Best show of 2022!!

@lingyangmag

Жыл бұрын

Netflix makes a lot of mistakes in several productions, but when it gets it right, it hits with everything it has.. this series is magnificent.

@hidankakuzu6052

Жыл бұрын

Probably because the author Neil Gaiman is an executive producer.

@madmanarrivednow

Жыл бұрын

@@hidankakuzu6052 that is true. I think he got the grasp on what works on the pages but doesn't on film. Like on the page it looked like a slam poetry "battle", with a lowly demon in a club like setting. There was no raven, and Dream won by somewhat turning the table, since he figured out the way the demon ramps up the game. In the show it had more impact. Sure I missed the other two lords of hell, and Etrigan leading Dream to the palace, the lore between being a rhymer, but not dearly. I liked the show, and I refreshed the volumes. Say, can anyone tell me if the audio book is any good? I'm thinking about that one too for comparison. Thank you. And of course this was only my point of view. Cheers!

@renatenha

Жыл бұрын

I love sandman but best show of 2022 must be Severance

@pbatacan

Жыл бұрын

Netflix will still cancel this if it wants to.

This scene was so perfect that i am watching it again and again , it depicts the very much concept that first dream was trying a head on battle with lucifer by attacking lucifer but then he just changed , and started to save himself to the point where lucifer herself gets convinced to give his helmet back .

whenever i feel sad, i always watch this scene.....that all life embracing gives me chill every single time

The fact that they both had tears in their eyes by the end of the fight is kind of haunting. Dream for his belief in what he says, Lucifer for realizing it's been outplayed.

@sleeplesssongbird7625

Жыл бұрын

On top of that, Dream is never seen standing above Lucifer- They are made to look to be the more powerful in many ways, but at the end Dream is back on his feet looking up despite the odds. The camera operation in this is phenomenal. :)

@themeanasian

Жыл бұрын

I truly believe that when he said hope lucifer remembered he was the light bringer at one time which is hope

@trixxarpar4241

Жыл бұрын

I think Lucifer was thinking of its hope of reconciliation and redemption. Hope was its deepest wish, and therefore deepest fear.

@cecilkeith1951

Жыл бұрын

Even Lou can't stop hope, what a treat.

@thenexus7343

Жыл бұрын

@@sleeplesssongbird7625 I gotta say, Lucifer is probably stronger than the endless, After cutting himself from the presence. He isn't even tied to any of that stuff anymore.

hands down the most visually stunning moment of the series. Gwendolyn Christie is marvelous as Lucifer Morningstar. Can't wait to see more of her.

@garyscerri1263

Жыл бұрын

Amen... no pun intended

@palpatusd6672

Жыл бұрын

yeah at first I was not at all sure I was gonna like her as Lucifer...but she had me in two seconds...the entire was masterfully done..

@danielmohave8280

Жыл бұрын

is the series out or this is just a teaser ????

@KingQuatto

Жыл бұрын

@@danielmohave8280 it’s out

@chrisjordan2784

Жыл бұрын

No

This scene really sold this show for me. Wow. The actress is so powerful I'm in love ❤

@arthursouza9641

10 ай бұрын

And you not saw the half, because season 2 will be better. Who read the comics, know why.

The dialog delivery of the sandman is astonishing maan the bestest, I couldn't off my head since I watched the series👏👏👏👌👌👌

Whoever cast Gwendoline Christie as Lucifer needs a medal.

@boxy3087

Жыл бұрын

few realize this but yeah she's perfect

@prime_1577

Жыл бұрын

@@boxy3087 she’s got that angelic presence and demonic pressure

@barbatos6407

Жыл бұрын

Not rlly

@aldendomino3523

Жыл бұрын

@@barbatos6407 glad you're not a casting agent, all of on-screen media is better because of that fact.

@jackfitzgerald2803

Жыл бұрын

I think it was Neil Gaiman himself, I’m pretty sure he had her in mind during pre-pre production

I love how they depicted luci as an actual angel and somewhat innocent looking.

@joweydelanota7421

Жыл бұрын

That's how Lucifer is factuallly depicted in the bible

@joweydelanota7421

Жыл бұрын

@Longneck You miss the point. Morpheus ask: what is it that kills Hope? The answer: The End of Dreams. By defeating him she defeats herself and as a result Doubt held her back.

@madaramanulp2595

Жыл бұрын

I think they could have casted a better actor for lucifer who is actually terrifying because Lucifer reigns Hell with Fear

@joweydelanota7421

Жыл бұрын

@@madaramanulp2595 Lucifer is supposed to be tempting

@madaramanulp2595

Жыл бұрын

@Jowey de la Nota yeah but look at the actress is she tempting????

pretty darn good considering how hard the comic would be to translate into a live action

Such an amazing piece of work! Absolutely loved this scene.

Not only is this one of the most jaw dropping fight i have ever seen in a movie with biblical characters but it also show how creative the writers are! Amazing! " I am hope"

@lincolnmoanei8324

Жыл бұрын

A Trip Into The Supernatural - Roger Morneau 1925-1998 kzread.info/dash/bejne/e6aYj6SEpbO4nNo.html

@TheAidenSanders

Жыл бұрын

Yes , all you say is true, I see it sometimes, and sometimes it moves me, because in a sense after the end there is hope that we will endure. That the anti life the heat death of the universe, somehow will not be the end.

@augustus_lestrange

Жыл бұрын

Show writers hardly have anything to with dialogues. The lines are exactly extracted from comics verbatim with just some lines cut to save runtime. That's why it is such a good show.... They didn't try to change things from the comics except the usual(Like John becomes Johanna)

@mattherrick7184

Жыл бұрын

The shows writers didn’t do shit. This is ALL Neil Gaiman.

@amandapike2477

Жыл бұрын

One writer, Neil Gaiman. He wrote this scene back in 1988, word for word. But in the comics it was with the demon Choronzon, not Lucifer.

Love how they made lucy so calm and charismatic in this scene rather then intimidating Its all part of what lucifer is all about Deceiving But even though she looks very friendly you just know that she can kill you in a blink of an eye Imo much better then other portrayals with horns and scorched skin and blacked out eyes

@cameronbrown3422

Жыл бұрын

Not too mention, those depictions are far from accurate

@glidergoku

Жыл бұрын

I think Lucifer is a he in sandman but just appears like a woman for biblical accuracy

@scorpo.2000.platinum

Жыл бұрын

Yeah bri dc lucifer is just something else

@cameronbrown3422

Жыл бұрын

@@scorpo.2000.platinum Indeed

@luiscarrucini8723

Жыл бұрын

Lucifer was the most beautiful angel according to the Bible

It almost feels like Dream could feel luficer's hope in returning to Heaven Dream is on the verge of crying knowing how tragic that hope is for the Lightbringer himself

Most ppl have no idea just how good this scene brought Biblical principles into play! For with hope, faith is strengthened, even in the absence of tangible evidence and sensible reasoning!

When Dream just says "Hope" and Hell is illuminated up for the first time ever. The way he then reminds Lucifer of the title of 'lightbringer' was a defeat that will never be forgotten.

@dcc-randomstorieswithmel7424

Жыл бұрын

Smackdown defeat

@rogerrodriguezmota6803

Жыл бұрын

Didn't notice the lights or better put i didn't think it was important. This was a nice view of the scene

@pierluigidipietro8097

Жыл бұрын

Lucifer then will make Dream Pay for this defeat, giving him the most dreadful political problem to solve in several eons.

When I first watched this scene, I was expecting a physical battle and was hoping it would be brief, but when I realized that wasn't the case, I was rather impressed. Well done, Gaiman.

@Dennis-hy7jb

Жыл бұрын

It actually make sense because before the battle, he admitted that Lucifer is way stronger than him and challenging Lucifer in a physical battle will be suicide. So an imagination battle happened instead.

@tulekahju

Жыл бұрын

@@Dennis-hy7jb He didn't challenge Lucifer. Lucifer was called on as a champion for the opponent after the challenge was made; a challenge that was chosen prior to Lucifer being named champion. Also, it was a battle of wits, not an "imagination battle", LoL.

@reallysadweeb4454

Жыл бұрын

@@tulekahju it’s an imagination battle while also being a battle of wits lmao

@tulekahju

Жыл бұрын

@@reallysadweeb4454 We'll have to agree to disagree; the visual effects emulating their battle of wits are just for us, the viewer. Also, I think it's inspired by the Transformation Chase.

@sarafontanini7051

Жыл бұрын

@@tulekahju it can be both. You need a strong imagination to think of counters to your opponent, and you need a strong wit to be able to use said imagination

This scene blew my mind, one of the most if not the most creative "fight" I've ever seen in a show

I was worried about how they’d handle this scene. It’s my absolute favorite Dream moment. I am relieved.

Matthew is the bravest, most loyal animal companion ever. Imagine telling LUCIFER off while in hell, in her face, while supporting your boss.

@m3rrys0ngstr3ss

Жыл бұрын

And still respecting Lucifer's title! Matthew really balances a tightrope here and I'm proud of him!

@ericx6969

Жыл бұрын

Well lucifer has honor duel anything else is beneath him

@aeonstrife147

Жыл бұрын

great character terrible choice of VA, Patton Oswalt is just an annoying voice to hear.

The best part of Dream's last move is that it puts Lucifer in a REALLY tough position, personally-wise. Plenty things can "kill" hope if you think about it. Certain familiar powers like Despair, Destiny, Death or Destruction, for instance. However, Hope is something that even Demons and Fallen Angels depend on. Lucifer and the Legions of Hell still hope to win Apocalypse and defy God (who they perceive as a tyrant who must be dethroned), after all. It's the neutral force of motivation and will to power, a middle term between the realms of Dream (i.e. imagination, the dreaming of what you don't have) and Desire (i.e. self-explanatory, the wishing for something you don't have). Satanism, for example, is all about the idea that you can ultimately overcome all imposed rules and structures of a tyrannous God and a society that worships him. Declaring something can kill Hope would be declaring that God's will is absolute, and that Lucifer can never win because God wills it. It's be trapping oneself in the falsehood that Destiny can just write your doom in his book and thus it's sealed in stone, when he's more like an observer of all possibilities. Dream basically dropped a Logic Bomb Paradox on Lucifer that she can't answer to without declaring surrender.

@dcc-randomstorieswithmel7424

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for explaining it

@schoolofdank5736

Жыл бұрын

Dang maybe they should’ve just thrown hands

@mosog8829

Жыл бұрын

Makes no difference. The destiny of Satan cannot be changed.

@DeathMessenger1988

Жыл бұрын

@@mosog8829 Is this the religious god talk? Cause you're barking up the _wrong_ tree, buddy.

@beeLife07

Жыл бұрын

@@DeathMessenger1988 so what if it is?

"Nah ah ...Im that times infiniaty "

This is probably my favorite scene in the series. A fight between entities beyond the realms.

I loved the inclusion of Nada's line "I won't lose hope". This line is the inspiration for Morpheus to win.

@rightwingersexposed8800

Жыл бұрын

ohhhh that's a good catch

@kyransawhill6650

Жыл бұрын

And that Matthew was convinced that "Dream of the Endless would never leave his raven alone in hell with Lucifer," even after learning that that's what he did to Nada. As if he simply couldn't accept that that's who Dream was and believed he was better than that. He, too, had hope.

@douglaspaulson9190

Жыл бұрын

I hate that she was in this episode. The comic covers her better.

@Gaia_Seraphina

Жыл бұрын

@@douglaspaulson9190 Nah. This was more effective. And made the dispute between them personal.

@Ba-in9ub

Жыл бұрын

@@douglaspaulson9190 She appears in the first arc in the comics too

I was so expecting, and dreading, a typical cliche boring fight between Dream and Lucifer. but this style of fight literally made my jaw drop, and I’ve been watching it over and over. SO cool! Bravo to the show creators for bringing this to life, so cool!

@nubiancaynes2128

Жыл бұрын

Some Borne Ultimatum style action lmao

@mattlemmons6647

Жыл бұрын

I think they actually improved it over the source (where it was Choronzon vs. Dream). By having Lucifer take part personally, they raised the stakes and made Morpheus winning much more impressive a feat. Also, Lucifer's wounded pride over a *personal* defeat makes their promise to destroy Dream far less petty.

@alfreddozier832

Жыл бұрын

@@mattlemmons6647 yeah it develops Lucifer as a good enemy for next season. I haven’t read the source material so I don’t know how far this war between the dreaming will go but I’m excited

@Lucci136

Жыл бұрын

@@alfreddozier832 among hell and rest of the realms*

@douglaspaulson9190

Жыл бұрын

@@mattlemmons6647 No, this is worse because it says that Morpheus is smarter than Lucifer twice. Outsmarting a demon following by insulting Lucifer is better. It shows that Dream is the most powerful being in hell, which is the whole fucking point. If he beat Lucifer in the game and afterwards it's redundant.

I loved this episode, two of the multiverse strongest beings having a chess game with their mind.

All this but despair or doubt can beat hope but hope can also beat these. Once Dream said he is hope that's it Lucifer knew they had lost unless they chose to be stubborn about it and make it a never-ending stalemate where Lucifer keeps countering hope with despair and doubt while Dream constantly just keeps saying he is hope. But what would that achieve? it would mean at best Lucifer could have held out for a draw at best or he could gracefully accept defeat and end the game knowing he couldn't win.

Lucifer also relies on hope, as in she hopes to one day regain heaven. She can't denounce its power without denouncing herself, as hope is actually what keeps her going.

@kindle184

Жыл бұрын

Actually in comics this lucifer doesn't give 2 cent about heaven but hope matter to him because lucifer entire plot revolve around hope that one day he will break free from his father great plan that is everything in existence is pre determined and no one truly has any free will. So if he kill hope he is basically killing the reason he fighting or existing for.

@Sebisajiminstan

Жыл бұрын

@@kindle184 Which is what makes this duel, and it’s conclusion, so brilliant. How do you kill a dream? How do you beat hope? You don’t. Brilliant!

@spotnest9420

Жыл бұрын

Yeah and in the bible, Jesus gives us hope that lucifer cant get away from humankind.

@zitronentee

Жыл бұрын

I think this is the moment Lucifer want to do something for herself, that is to leave Hell.

@danieldickson8591

Жыл бұрын

@@kindle184 While the particulars differ, this is essentially the point SpiderSpecs was making.

This was my favorite scene in the show. I was expecting a physical fight and then it was the opposite, and the way it was executed was so interesting.

@rorschach221

Жыл бұрын

I read the comics so I had a general idea of how it would play out, but the way they adapted it was amazing.

Nothing can kill hope.

This is the greatest depiction I have ever seen of a battle between cosmic entities. So damn unique.

The look on Lucifer's face when she realizes she's lost is so perfect, it literally dawns on her. Her hatred of Heaven gives her power, but the hatred is derived from a desperate hope to return to the Presence (if my memory of the comics is correct.) To kill hope would destroy her as well.

@leekirash275

Жыл бұрын

No lucifer wants to escape predestination....he doesn't want heaven,he doesn't want to follow his creator's plans for him

@TechBearSeattle

Жыл бұрын

@@leekirash275 - And that hope of escaping predestination, the dream of doing so, is what fuels her rage.

@brendacastillo8146

Жыл бұрын

Exactly there is no point to Lucifer existence if she can't punish and she can't punish without people being able to dream.

@vietcuongnguyenle8530

Жыл бұрын

@@brendacastillo8146 you misunderstand something Lucifer and hell is different thing Lucifer only rule hell because the presence put him in that posittion, He not exist to rule hell, even if dream die and it make trouble for hell, it only make trouble to lucifer too because his posittion It not relate his existence

@brendacastillo8146

Жыл бұрын

@@vietcuongnguyenle8530 by existence I mean Lucifer purpose, I know he is not going to disintegrate if dream dies.

I love this scene, specially the choice of Gaiman to use "hope" because at the end of the day, when you are suffering, alone and everything you've ever build has been shattered and torn the only thing that keeps you going is hope. Hope that tomorrow will be better, that no pain lasts forever, and daylight will dawn in your life again. This scene got to me because I've suffered much in life, and honestly hope is the only thing that remains at the end and gets you to keep going and not give up, even when everything is dark.

@scarlettaddams

11 ай бұрын

The other reason why it is so clever is that Lucifer knows what can kill hope: destiny, but answering that would mean that they acknowledged can never indeed win against God, cause it would've been part of the greater plan, which is what Lucifer tries to defy. Aaaaaaah, Love that show and it's writing 💕🏳‍⚧

@ls200076

11 ай бұрын

@@scarlettaddams What is that heathen symbol?

@artistbervucci1716

11 ай бұрын

But if Luci was anti-life, which kills life, who can hope than?

@filippo8189

11 ай бұрын

I feel this. I’m an atheist, always been one. There was a period in my life when I thought my mental disorder would never get better and that my story wouldn’t end well. I remember thinking I didn’t even have God to fall back on. One day, I was passing in front of my city’s cathedral and I remember reflecting on my lack of faith in a higher power and thinking: “I hope I’m wrong”. I didn’t become a believer since then, but this really shows how hope will cling to anything it can and is really last to die.

@Essuna

11 ай бұрын

@@filippo8189 loving what you wrote. I also have a mental disorder so I understand that feeling of having no way out, but your reflection is what got me the most. Hope really lives on anything and anyone. No conditions. No demands.

There is always hope. Even when there is no hope anymore there is hope for new hope. The perfect solution.

@Retardedspecies

3 ай бұрын

yes hope always survives, even if it goes away for a while nobody will be hopeless forever.

What’s profound is that each form they take is inflicted on the other. It isn’t that there are no concepts that defeat hope, it’s that Lucifer was filled with hope and could not bare to crush it

I love this series. Never read the comics but it was so refreshing seeing powerfull entity's not just shooting laser beams at each other.

@scrumhalforegon

Жыл бұрын

You should read the graphic novels if you get s chance. The show follows the script fairly closely but there are unique elements in the book that are worth encountering and appreciating. It is one of the finest graphic novels ever created. I say created and not written, because the visual aspect of the panels are just as important as the words.

@richardrobinson6488

Жыл бұрын

They basically showed us how real gods fight and that's what makes it so beautiful

@amoghsikka3740

Жыл бұрын

Lucifer Morningstar in the comics is actually really interesting cool , he is also one of the most powerful character in the dc universe.

@giveematug7093

Жыл бұрын

@@richardrobinson6488 not to sound negative Richard, but quite literally we have no idea how "real" gods fight lol. I'm probably aware that you didnt literally mean it 😁😁🤪, but the scary thing is that some will. For those who do ( again probably not you Richard) let me enlighten you; when it comes to things we dont actually know that exist we have no idea how, or what, or basically anything about the subject. Thats like saying we know what happens after we die. The reality ( the one we all share) is that we have no idea what happens. Same with this subject. Unless any of us has seen a god, angel, demon, etc actually battle we dont know how they would, or that they even exist 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️ To suggest otherwise is utter insanity. Have a nice day, stay humble lol. 👍✌️

@richardrobinson6488

Жыл бұрын

@@giveematug7093 I was speaking within the context of fiction not reality. It's like saying if I were a god and fought someone else who was also a god, that's how I would expect them to fight. In that way it separates them from mere mortals who use martial arts. That's what I meant.

I love the scale of this fight. From human-sized being to microscopic scale to massive universe and ending with a non-tangible stuff.

@GladiusTR

Жыл бұрын

Welcome to Vertigo.

Fav episode. I often come back to watch just this one.

One of the best movie series I've ever seen.

Lucifer before his fall was the " light bringer" . A being that brought light and hope to the darkest of places. So when dream asked , what can destroy hope is to ask what can destroy the "light bringer " . Lucifer is proud and remained silent 🤫

@rhoaias9429

Жыл бұрын

Knew Lucifer was an angel prior to his fall from grace but never knew what he did. This info makes this moment so much better

@TechBearSeattle

Жыл бұрын

I really love the look of shock on her face as the realization that she lost literally dawns on her. As fine as the acting is, small details like that what make this series so amazing.

@johannedillworth7413

Жыл бұрын

Despair destroys hope but I guess that would be too personal an admission. Brilliant scene. This version is way different from the Vertigo Lucifer who really craved freedom above anything. He was generally neutral and hostile as the situation required it and forced no one to do anything other than exterminating people who prayed in the universe he created. I suppose that was harsh. I hoped he and the Presence would finally reconcile but that never happened

@TechBearSeattle

Жыл бұрын

@@johannedillworth7413 - I'm not sure that would be a legal move: The embodiment of Despair is one of the Endless, and it is absolutely forbidden for one of the Endless to shed the blood of another. I suspect that an illegal move in such a game would have much greater consequences than "Sorry, pick something else."

@johannedillworth7413

Жыл бұрын

@@TechBearSeattle That’s very interesting. Well at least in that concept the Angel has some limitation on its mischief.

Gwen is so good. This is one of my favorite scenes in the series. Loved every bits of it. Especially when Dream insulted her with “heaven”. 👏🏼

@Sebisajiminstan

Жыл бұрын

The longing mixed with disgust on her face when he says it, tho. She’s brilliant in this role.

@rennelapolinares286

Жыл бұрын

Yeeeees!!!

@___Anakin.Skywalker

Жыл бұрын

Lucifer is a male character in book 📚 though

@cervicalestorticolis7914

Жыл бұрын

@@___Anakin.Skywalker false, Lucifer is androgynous in the comics

@___Anakin.Skywalker

Жыл бұрын

@@cervicalestorticolis7914 you are wrong.

This is like when you were a child playing with your friend and you're one-upping your deadliest anime move to each other. I can't believe there's an adult version of this.

@arthursouza9641

5 ай бұрын

Sandman it´s much before the majority of all Animes

This is the coolest duel ever. Love the accent.

Morpheus really pulled a reverse uno card on Lucifer. Hope reminded Lucifer so much of herself, and it was up to her to destroy it. Considering how prideful Lucifer is to admit god was right or to assume god’s role would be too much for Lucifer to bare. The Lord of Dreams went for the Achilles’ tendon, and the Lightbringer had no choice but to yield.

@sephelutis

Жыл бұрын

Besides She has little stakes in this fight. She didn’t throw it out of curoisity and some PR

@utsuro3962

Жыл бұрын

In the comics, Choronzon fought for himself. I guess they changed it in the show to have Morpheus look smarter than Lucifer or to add more suspense? An unnecessary change that takes away a bit of hype from Lucifer, in my opinion.

@Darklarik3

Жыл бұрын

I think you have it up-side down mate. Lucifer is the most hopeful individual in all of existence, he clings on to the hope that he will be able to break free from his father, its what keeps him going. He knew he was beat the moment Dream named Lucifer's own 2nd greatest weapon

@fallenglider3488

Жыл бұрын

Lucifer is not thinking that gods role would be too much for him, in comics he created his own universe and became a god he just doesent want to be one he wants to have free will

@Ledgerdomain

Жыл бұрын

@@Darklarik3 What is his first greatest, then?

Gwendolyn Christie was the best person for this role. She nailed that timeless gracefulness and beauty while also being tall and large enough to truly intimidate Morpheus and own the scene, you are never in doubt about who is top dog in her scenes even when Lucifer loses

@greenpenguin0763

Жыл бұрын

Because that how angel supposed to be, but not any angel, THE angel, the first fallen, the upper class of angels in the bible Jesus is the first son of God, I think Satan was the second and then all the other angels came to exist. So Lucifer in not a simple fallen angel he's on i think almost Jesus level of power.

@elysiumoeuvre_

Жыл бұрын

i agree with this

@kr1spness

Жыл бұрын

Outside of David Bowie, yes she was.

@Mquthl3ssonlyonyt

Жыл бұрын

I prefer Tom Ellis.

@caniblmolstr4503

Жыл бұрын

@@greenpenguin0763 retconning for Jesus? Well the New Testament is basically a retcon

Hope there will be a season 2 with Lucifer morningstar as the main antagonist or if not she would have at least more appearance... It's so satisfying when she's angry or like defeated

It's doubly poetic when you consider the one thing Lucifer could never conquer himself was Hope.

Lucifer could have responded to hope by saying, "I am despair..." But that would mean she would accept her fate forever being bound to Hell. Crazy scene.

@matthewjensen524

Жыл бұрын

No it’s the opposite, hope is the answer to defeat despair, not the other way around. Despair is the answer to delight/happiness. You can’t use despair to defeat hope because hope is born and exists within from pain/sufferings/despair/darkness/anti life.

@bernardsoul5186

Жыл бұрын

@@matthewjensen524 Except hope cannot be achieved by someone who's already succumbed to despair. Despair means you've lost hope, and nothing can change that except an external shift of circumstance. That requires assistance from an outside source, or divine intervention.

@henrique8879

Жыл бұрын

@@bernardsoul5186 you're absolutely right. Even if you're full of hope, if you fall into despair, it will cloud up your judgment and you'll abandon it, unless, of course, there's external help/intervention. Although it is also true that it goes vice-versa, hope being an opposite to despair, Lucifer would rather have this little wound in the ego than winning the duel to the cost of admitting defeat in the greater battle, for saying there's a way to destroy hope, Lucifer would admit that the adversary to be dethroned from heaven was right; hell is where the lightbringer belongs for all eternity, and just can never win.

@matthewjensen524

Жыл бұрын

@@bernardsoul5186 I disagree. If you applied that same logic to anti life/destruction of everything, then hope wouldn’t be the answer either because according to your logic, there is no hope left when there’s nothing left to hope for because it’s total darkness/void of all existence. Clearly hope is what gives strength to all who are in darkness, hope is what drives new creation from the void of emptiness and hope is what gives you the will to endure despair. If that’s not the case, Lucifer wouldn’t accept defeat when Dream countered that without the ability to hope/dream of heaven, hell would lose its power for all those souls in hell who are already in eternal despair no longer serves any purpose. Despair would be the answer to delight/happiness, it’s what kills happiness, but not hope. Hope by definition is the anti thesis of all that is negative - destruction/despair/anti life/void/emptiness etc..

@matthewjensen524

Жыл бұрын

@@henrique8879 all those souls in hell who are in eternal despair would beg to differ. Hope is what drives them to exist or else hell no longer has any meaning. Hope is the ultimate answer to the void, the anti life, the total darkness of all and certainly hope is what drives you through despair and overcome it as well. Think of it this way, no matter how much suffering, how much despair, how much pain and how dark it is, if there is a gleam of hope that there is a light at the end of the darkness, if there is a gleam of hope that there is an end to all of the pain/sufferings/despair, then that is enough to drive you forward. Without hope, despair has no meaning. Hope by definition is born through despair/destruction/anti life/pain and sufferings/darkness, not the other way around.

I love that they use epithets/kennings to emphasise their choices. It gives it the extra mythological twist given their use in both Greek and Norse mythology. Gaiman is hard to beat in the realm of stories about stories.

@redwitch12

Жыл бұрын

Kennings! That's the word I couldn't recall. I adore the solemn and evocative note they add to the duel of concepts.

@user-pi1lb4tf2f

10 ай бұрын

Yess. Lucifer gave the most emphasis as she said she's a "Nova" because in Gaiman's Sandman, Lucifer is God's "Lamp Lighter" which just means Lucifer creating and destroying stars.

It makes perfect sense for.2 being beyond the physical plane to fight through imagination and ideas.

"I am hope" "Hoped by who?" The dream of a better tomorrow cannot exist without the dreamer.

I love the way they actually fight, using concepts and creations to attack each other instead of the standard fists flying we expect from other media. They are gods, so gods would not fight in the way humans would.

@khajiithadwares2263

11 ай бұрын

The challenge in the comic is slightly longer....12 steps deep, 3 pages wide.

@okat32

10 ай бұрын

If you’d know, they aren’t actually mentioning being wolfs, worlds, etc, if you see the picture,Lucifer Is trying to break Dreams Spirit by tormenting with Dreams worst fears or nightmares, Dream is just retaliating with what he can, the anti life equation could be Lucifer telling dream to kill himself or to abandon all hope in life, and Dream responds with hope which brings him back to life because he could erase the suicidal thoughts away after the raven talked to him

I was honestly expecting an intense battle scene, but this is waaaay cooler and more impactful

@ninguem9726

Жыл бұрын

Fighting is for mortals 😜

@joshuamunoze

Жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing

@Falconlibrary

Жыл бұрын

It only works because of the skill of the two actors, Christie and Sturridge. This is a master class in acting.

@iamterrence7111

Жыл бұрын

Fighting is just for amateurs for them. 😅

@corvus9829

Жыл бұрын

That was a game not a serious fight, in that case Lucifer wins easy.

That scene deserves an oscar

This fight scene along with the Behind Blue Eyes scene from Legion is some of the best representation of how beings this power would fight. Not punching and shooting laser beams

Everyone whos seen this scene, fell in love. Its an incredibly unique and NEW way of portraying how Deities would do ‘formal’ battle. Its like sparring, yet the weapons you choose are quite literally epic in proportion. Fun little detail I noticed, when Lucifer says “i am anti-life” and at around 2:50min mark, you can see a silhouette of Lucifer herself engulfing the light of the universe. Its a nice detail which really does emphasise the “I am…” part of their match.

@Morcorco

Жыл бұрын

Marvel's Legion also did this kind of battle. Basically every encounter between telepaths in that show is a piece of art. It's either a dance off, a rap battle or a contest of imagination that bends reality and mind to ones will. Highly recomended ;)

@blackgold754

Жыл бұрын

It’s like playing dungeons and dragons or a rap battle

@Artistjohnlaws4173

Жыл бұрын

its like rock paper scissors. that's what it is.

@babyyoda6567

Жыл бұрын

Do you think people are idiots? 2:50 was meant to be clear enough to be noticed

@har5814

Жыл бұрын

@@Morcorco i miss Legion already. That episode where they had mind battle with the demon is so creative and epic. So unforgettable. One of the best shows ever.

I’ve never watched a turn-based battle in television before. This is beautifully creative, new, and refreshing!

@chevywoods6647

Жыл бұрын

Legion did it a while back. Another great fight of the minds

@niloxnelox

11 ай бұрын

If you are into anime, no game no life had a battle very similar to this

@sifutophmasterofeyerolling2513

10 ай бұрын

​@@niloxneloxIn anime they always do the lazy way of "telling instead of showing" specially during fight scenes so symbolical battle scenes like these are rendered pointless

@imbatman8381

10 ай бұрын

The queen Gambit is a turn based😂

@petrakurnia6772

7 ай бұрын

So you haven't watched Yugioh

I was expecting some epic battle, but honestly this is a neat way of portraying power scales. They're so inconceivably powerful compared to humans, they're represented by the actions of the universe. Lucifer is death, evil, uncaring, cruel Morphious is dreams, inspiration, hope He won on a technicality, but Lucifer was right. Nobody is free from Hell

Lucifer: "I am Anti-Life." Darseid: *Pokes head from behind his shower's curtain*

After the bacteria move, sandman left the offensive game and went to defence. After that move of Lucifer's, every move of Sandman were defensive one. Yet that tactic got him the win. In the comic there is a inner voice bubble of sandman talks about this.

@relaxedsack1263

Жыл бұрын

I also feel like you start small to inflict more pain on each other to weaken each other mentally before you move onto the big stuff.

@Iloveyoubabys

Жыл бұрын

its about faith not Hope.Hope is blind faith. Hope is belief. Faith is knowlege.

@Gaia_Seraphina

Жыл бұрын

@@Iloveyoubabys Faith and knowledge are completely different. 😅 Just like religion ( faith ) and science ( knowledge ) are, which are based on those 2 concepts. Like Gabriel once said to Constantine in the 2005 movie: You don't belief .. you know, John!

@Eros_K_C_Pereira

Жыл бұрын

@@Iloveyoubabys Knowledge is knowledge, faith is hope.

@prodech0

Жыл бұрын

yea i noticed tha without reading the comics...what a gooood show

i love how both characters emanate so much power, not through flames, noises or smokes, but through the battle of words, wisdom, and wit. the lines were wonderfully written and i love how the tension rises with every exchange of turns. my favorite scene, no doubt. for me, tom sturridge and gwendoline christie were perfect for their roles and gave justice to this scene.

Lucifer: I am 5 game losing streak in your favorite videogame.

Ive watched this scene a thousand times and damn for thousandth time its still good

God, Gwendolyn Christie's performance was so spectacular. I hope to see more of Lucifer in the next season.

@andreazambrano1316

Жыл бұрын

You will

@truthseeker7815

Жыл бұрын

Hope lmao

@officialnoonon

Жыл бұрын

@@truthseeker7815 You have to understand that in Hell the only thing they dream about is the Hope to one day reach heaven. Lucifer may be above The Endless, but not even she can destroy Hope, which is an essential concept for the beings in Hell or else all that would remain is Despair. For more understanding in this matter, you should watch some videos about these characters. None of them are all-powerful only The Presence is. You see, even Lucifer hopes for something. She hopes to some day destroy god or in DC comic terms The Presence, her/his father. These beings can be whatever/whoever they want.

@mr.goblin6039

Жыл бұрын

@@officialnoonon Another thing about Lucifer is that if they can’t kill God, they can at least become truly free. Completely separate from their Father’s grand design and rule. Hope is something even Lucifer believes in. Without hope, they would resign themselves to their Father’s plan. Lucifer can’t defeat something they themselves don’t want to see defeated. Dream really played with them in this show. Hit ‘em right where it hurts.

@ahsokarules2369

Жыл бұрын

I think she's good too, but she doesn't fit Lucifer. It's too drastic a change after 6 seasons of Tom Ellis's spectacular performance as both Lucifer and Michael in the show that's loosely based off the comic-book characters. I think Ellis would've been perfect here, combining aspects of his performances of Lucifer and Michael to make the perfect Lucifer for The Sandman.

Every line spoken in this scene was so meticulously written and so fascinating 🔥🔥🔥

@supremedak_god619

Жыл бұрын

It was all in the comics tho

Plot Twist: Lucifer comes back with "I am Reality. Dream crusher, deception bringer."

@bobbobby475

3 ай бұрын

We alfeady see Dream crush that notion when he claps John

*Sandman:* Well, what is it that kills hope? *Lucifer:* Facts.

@shadearca

Ай бұрын

You missed the point completely. Yes, hope can be killed but Lucifer won't do it. Because Lucifer hopes too, to escape hell, defeat his father etc. If Lucifer kills hope, he also loses...

When this battle started with them taking the forms of animals and mythical creatures, I thought it would lead to dragons, Giants, maybe greater daemons. When Dream uttered he was a whole frickin universe to beat a measly meteor, I thought he won because only an endless should be able to take such epic forms. Then the devil became the DC anti-life itself and I was floored. great show.

@_____2219

Жыл бұрын

Not a meteor, a nova. It’s a massive explosion made by a dying star.

@jacobsmith4428

Жыл бұрын

I figured the counter to that would've been entropy, but that worked too

@derekli8757

Жыл бұрын

Well it is in the same universe and I always wondered if it was a reference to that

@jasonvargas7564

Жыл бұрын

I am Jaime. Cersei-loving, King-slayer

@trishapellis

Жыл бұрын

I don't think that's how it works - what they say they 'are' in the game has nothing to do with the amount of power they have to 'embody' anything. It's a game of imagination. For every creature or concept one player thinks of, the other player has to be able to find a different creature or concept that can either kill it or just not be threatened by it. A wolf gets killed by a hunter gets killed by a snake gets killed by a bird of prey gets killed by a virus - at this stage of the fight, both of them are trying to kill each other. Then Morpheus switches tactics - he says he's a world because a virus is just something that a world contains but that can't harm the world. And Lucifer is still trying to kill, with a nova. So Morpheus is a universe - again, universes contain thousands of novae and are just not harmed by them. The step of 'anti-life' I guess has to be interpreted as not just killing all life (a universe would be perfectly fine without living creatures in it) but also everything that can metaphorically be said to have life - including stars, which can 'die'. And hope is the ultimate trump card for various reasons that have been sxplained here already (some of them specific to Lucifer, but in the original comics, Lucifer wasn't the one having this fight with Morpheus), but I believe most of it is that there will be creatures who will cling to hope in the face of anything (for reference, Morpheus's own line: What power would hell have if those imprisoned here would not be able to dream of heaven?")

„Hope.“ - how the light changes. The music. Trust me - I cried. This was so powerful and beautiful.

@Avignon_Pope

Жыл бұрын

So did I.

@vishalsarada3826

Жыл бұрын

So did I. It was one of the best scenes I’ve ever seen.

@DarkBloodurth

Жыл бұрын

Me too. The end of this scene melted my heart

@mr.redhood1099

Жыл бұрын

Mehh.....!! don't exaggerate things bruv, and incase your opinion is really genuine than you need to know that being so sensitive and weak won't help you to survive in this fooking world.

@nadjabarnes

Жыл бұрын

@@mr.redhood1099 I know it IS not good to be so sensitive but I got diagnosed with two rare diseases during that time and I got told I am a hyperempath. That does make life extremely hard and I hate it. It’s not easy, trust me …

Now this is EXACTLY how I expect BEINGS to fight.

The “I am Nova all-exploding planet-cremating” and the I am Anti-Life the Beast Of Judgement, the dark at the end of everything.” Just hit different. This is definitely how gods should fight. It’s amazing and brilliant. This show is everything

@ajedrezbrasil7968

Жыл бұрын

Punchs are for mortals

@officialnoonon

Жыл бұрын

Imagine someone like Thanos, The Spectre or Dormammu in a fight against either of them. Dream and his siblings of The Endless so, Destiny, Death, Destruction, Desire, Despair, Delirium are literally the concepts they personify as well as for the most part their opposites: Destiny = destiny & change, Death = life & death, Destruction = creation & destruction, Desire = fullfillment & desire, Despair = despair & dread, Delirium = sanity & delirium who is furthermore said to know things not even the oldest, Destiny, knows. While Destiny knows everything there is to know aside from Lucifer, Michael and The Presence I presume, Delirium knows everything outside of this range, which drove her insane in a way since she used to be called Delight instead of Delirium.

@run_sun

Жыл бұрын

@@officialnoonon *imagining Legion have (psychic) battle with one of the endless*

@luiousy7329

Жыл бұрын

@@run_sun he'd get roflstomped since he is no where near that peking order. In fact Dream can just make him enter a coma forever by wiping away his dreams and imaginations. In a way Dream is already Legion and has no difficulty in controlling infinite numbers of his own aspects imagined or not.

@zemocon2868

Жыл бұрын

Compared to this, Thanos and other stuff like that seems so incredibly stupid and weak