A month since the release of SF6, I’ve learned that tier lists don’t matter if I’m bad with every character. 🎉🎉🎉

@YouAlreadyKnowBabi

10 ай бұрын

That's the spirit. Now you get it!

@vuton7670

10 ай бұрын

it doesn't but it also does the 5 character people said are top tier are still top after a month but again, we will see after another month

@Tneal78

10 ай бұрын

My thoughts too. Teir lists don't matter if you're bad at the game. At low level, it's just a test of who has better fundies.

@rundown132

10 ай бұрын

Based

@BReWeDKnOwLeDGe

10 ай бұрын

True! I got bodied by a Gief player on ranked 😢

I love how Justin has to admit Snake Eyez is just that good to be able to make Zangief good

@SoDamnGangsta

10 ай бұрын

I mean snake eyez is the top level tournament guy but any serious gief player isn’t gonna be easy to win against, that character is pretty threatening when played well

@almondmilk5315

10 ай бұрын

Zangief is the only character I was able to achieve platinum in any fighting game like ever. He's slept on.

@thereviewartistrrp5493

10 ай бұрын

​@@SoDamnGangstaI think they rate characters based on flashiness. Like Ryu and Zangief right are getting like no love on these tier. I keep hearing about Ryu having bad frame data but his basic punches are slightly better the ken on startup. Ken has better kicks tho.

@jch22

10 ай бұрын

Even snake eyes switched to evil ryu in sf4. I'm sure he has a pocket character he'll bust out if needed

@JonathonTheAsshole

10 ай бұрын

@@almondmilk5315 Platinum is literally "Silver+". There is no difference between a silver and a plat player. They both make the exact same mistakes. In fact Platinum players generally make MORE mistakes than Silver players. I always like to use the "blind kid" analogy. A silver rank player is a blind kid with 1 toy. A platinum rank player is a blind kid with 1000 toys. The plat kid can't tell what the fuck they have but they're gonna play with them anyway.

Finally, a tier list I can take seriously. Too many people either downplaying or exaggerating characters.

Guile remains the most consistent character of all time. You can never regret picking him.

@johnpreston230

10 ай бұрын

Is true

@ThePlasticBowl

10 ай бұрын

I ain’t pay $60 to hold downback, Remove this character from the game

@LaughingGasFunny

10 ай бұрын

@@ThePlasticBowllmaoooo as a Marisa main, I agree with you beyond belief.

@ytcmbt2505

10 ай бұрын

Damn, who would've thought that rushdown-zoner would be a broken archetype

@Behold__Optic_Blast

10 ай бұрын

@@LaughingGasFunny fought a guile with Marisa earlier. I feel you bro. Even with armour and anti fireball tech, shit was horrible.

Everybody run! Justin Wong made another tier list! Run for your life!

Great explanations, love the unbiased fun and enthusiasm you use to break it down! Love the content bro

thank you for recognizing dhalsim the way i see him. with the teleport simplified im all over, and learning some of those fchamp set ups from sfv. hes a lot of fun, and still difficult to master.

Ill never forgive Snake Eyez for making me believe I could survive ranked as a Gief main

@koreyg8552

10 ай бұрын

I made diamond with gief modern lol

@THiZZyMcGUiRE

10 ай бұрын

hard stuck Plat 2

I hated fighting against Manon as Marisa so much that I decided to play her out of spite, and it turns out that she's really fun. Her throw is just as addictive as Gladius. Sucks that people have gotten pretty wise to how it works now though.

@Draggzilla

10 ай бұрын

Lame

This is my first fighting game since Soul Calibur IV. Landed on Guile as my main, but I'm honestly having a blast trying to get by with Manon when everyone knows what's coming. I get washed a lot of the time, but the wins feel so good.

My man got the glasses going crazy putting this tier list together

I always considered myself an intermediate player and played with a few characters, but never focusing on one. I randomly picked Cammy and fell in love with her. Your description of her made me really think about her strengths and had me train more with her.

@cnc6421

10 ай бұрын

No its good you do this. I do this too and by doing that, it doesnt get boring and most importantly, you will learn how to fight against them bc you play them too. It works.

@LightBringer666

10 ай бұрын

don't forget the game allows you to select "random" and rank separately with that selection. mastering all characters in the game is something that Capcom wants us to do, don't forget world tour mode is all about learning their styles and moves!

@Similarity_

10 ай бұрын

Yeah "randomly" picked cammy 😉

@21centdregs

10 ай бұрын

@@Similarity_ that win animation is a thirst trap

@BReWeDKnOwLeDGe

10 ай бұрын

@@Similarity_randomly picked that big booty

Sad thing about Gief is that for as long as you make sure you’re ready to counter all grab attempts, you already have half the game in the bag.

@angeluswolter2912

10 ай бұрын

Yeah, but with grapplers the threat of the grab is more often than not, better than the grab.

@Impalingthorn

10 ай бұрын

Can confirm. The fear of being grabbed is actually a grappler's strongest asset because their normals and specials generally are pretty good too, they just have mobility issues. I would say Gief is still pretty good and well balanced for this game; the fun of a Grappler archetype isn't them being a top tier you can abuse and they have historically never been top tier, but it is out-reading and mindgaming your opponent into mistakes. It was one of the reasons I loved Astaroth in Soul Calibur 5. People tried to stay away from you because they feared the grabs and grab combos but forgot Astaroth had colossal range on his normals and could harass at a distance on top of having charge moves that depleted block gauge like nothing. They are effectively a sweat check; if the player is hyper concerned about the matchup and forgets/doesn't know how to play it, they will lose. If they are decent though, people like the uphill challenge of that.

Yeah Manon is a bit of a struggle now that people know what to do

@z1u512

10 ай бұрын

Get yo fakeass mixups outta here

@Aggrofool

10 ай бұрын

She kinda sucks now. Everyone reversals or DP her DR or vacuum mixups

PSA: Don't worry if your character is considered low-tier. Never forget what happened in Tekken 7: Panda won a major tournament in the hands of Rangchu.

@baker8674

10 ай бұрын

And cause her small legs made harder for devil jin combos. No regular use means you oponnent got no experience against your style/freamedata

@Justicejuice179

10 ай бұрын

Panda was like not very played and got that inexperience fighting against advantaged. My character is low tier and hella played. I’m screwed in both angles lol.

@ultimateman55

10 ай бұрын

@@Justicejuice179 Yeah, not like Zangief is gonna catch people unawares. "HOW DO I FIGHT AGAINST THIS GUY?! Oh yeah, avoid SPD."

@tryingtochangemyways5074

10 ай бұрын

This ain't Tekken any character is capable of winning in that game..This is Sf6 and that is not the case..Gief is not winning with juri,ken,jp,luke its literally impossible

@khaledm.1476

10 ай бұрын

​@@tryingtochangemyways5074Literally saw Snake eyes smoke a Luke player in a recent tournament. Your argument is too extreme, in general the match up is unfavorable but nothing is impossible just unlikely

It feels to me like Marissa works much better than Manon at what Manon wants to do in regards to putting the opponent in a blender with the threat of a command grab. She just trades a little command grab damage for massive damage off easy confirms. Meanwhile Manon's super meter hungry for both damage and pressure.

@avalanche6871

10 ай бұрын

Manon main myself and I feel this. The command grab being my punish counter here and there is cute and all, but end of the day, the medals are a gimmick, and Marisa's raw consistency at cashing in on openings feels way better in almost every situation

@IIRagnaTheBloodEdge

10 ай бұрын

Manon just needs a grab and it's done

OK, but, as a counterpoint, Gief has like eight different kinds of grabs in this game and they all look sweet. On any Style tier list my man is at least an A+.

Not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but with Manon's SHK punish counter she has enough of a frame advantage where at moderate distances she can go straight into drive rush SLP into back HP to Renversé for a medal and 2,675 damage.

@Rotary_Lover_89

10 ай бұрын

Don't forget to qcb hk after any command grab to challenge their wake up

@hooplah7612

10 ай бұрын

@@Rotary_Lover_89 free DI

@Rotary_Lover_89

10 ай бұрын

@@hooplah7612 maybe after gold no one checks under gold rank. They just button mash crouch block or jump it catches all three of those.

@polkunus

10 ай бұрын

@@Rotary_Lover_89 dont ever do that, that is as terrible option. Its unsafe on block, Di punishable and there's no damage. Its better to empty DR into S.HP, its safe to DI, safe on block, they have to block it, you cant jump it. You need to lab out the counter DI to get the timing right.

@Rotary_Lover_89

10 ай бұрын

@@polkunus yeah you can DI that option and I should lab other options to mix. Thank you.

What Justin forgot to mention here: Just because your character is low tier does not mean its trash and is useless against everybody. This game is actually better balanced than what people thought, so even Low Tiers can put up a good fight without THAT much effort.

@adriandenton6637

10 ай бұрын

Of course...tier lists only really matter to the very top payers.

@66ixty9ine

10 ай бұрын

Low Tier God can't though. He's always trash

quality as always bro. a pleasure to exist at the same time as you.

8:58 chun li is SCARY. 32 hit combo with 1 maybe 2 uses of drive rush and sometimes her ults

an Inverted pyramid is a really good indicator for a game's Balance on launch... so few games EVER look like this

@Draggzilla

10 ай бұрын

Fighting games have been a little too fair and balanced for quite some time now. Getting close to a decade already

@theuzi8516

10 ай бұрын

Launch is fine for most. DLCs bring the risk.

Well said on manon. She is placed high by a lot of ppl because they think theyre guessing for their life all the time. Finally a content creator that actually knows the character. You da goat

@shoryusenkei3136

10 ай бұрын

But of course he’s the most decorated fighting game player of all time.

@KARS215

10 ай бұрын

“Content creator” 😂. Jwong is the real deal my man.

@Monkey_Tree

10 ай бұрын

@@KARS215 i know who he is lmao. He is also a content creator.

Having an absolute blast with Cammy. I haven't really touched Ken or Guile or Juri, those are the ones I really want to play next. I've been blasting through World Tour lately more than playing online, which has helped me learn to play Chun. Still fun playing Kim and Manon even if Capcom did them dirty. Great rundown of each character, I'm always interested in learning more of everyone's strengths and weaknesses.

As a Zangief main, it is with great pride that I will face every opponents with passion. The weakest and the strongest. No matter what, I will never hide myself behind a tier list to justify my defeat, as good as it is. I will humbly accept the victory with a smile, and hold a hand to the fighter laying on the ground. The lower we are in a list, the highter is the challenge. It is all that matters ! хорошо ! 🐻

@vuton7670

10 ай бұрын

respect that SPD

@ambiguous8661

10 ай бұрын

Zangief is good imagine being carried

@gravg9743

10 ай бұрын

SPD means Love

@pakkumon5730

10 ай бұрын

Большой Победа!

@VermillionMonk

10 ай бұрын

NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE, NOT IF YOU KEEP TRAINING! PUSH! GOOD THINGS AWAIT YOU!

I appreciate him getting into the notable modern variations on characters. I wish he would make a tier list for what characters are modern or classic viable. I really want people to normalize making tierlists with two versions of every character, one modern, one classic.

@Than211

10 ай бұрын

Well, Modern is really all about getting rid of the execution barrier, so unless the character can benefit from reactionary supers (such as Luke), they generally won't benefit much from being Modern. So I would probably say that most characters probably won't change from their position, save for maybe a couple, and even then, it's won't move much.

@koreyg8552

10 ай бұрын

The top 2 modern characters are luke and lily because they barely lose anything

@Sharrd

10 ай бұрын

You're gonna have to see more modern players in plat and masters for that to happen. That essentially doubles the amount of characters. I think BrianF has a modern tier list but he doesn't play modern so its mostly theory. ANIMEILLUMINATI plays modern and covers alot of modern stuff so if you're interested in modern that would be the spot. I wouldn't figure you'd see alot of modern stuff from people grinding tournaments and ranked though because you just don't see many in the higher tiers which means familiarity is way down and will rely on theory to rank.

@polkunus

10 ай бұрын

@@Sharrd anime is trash at the game tho, he's just a content vulture

@Sharrd

10 ай бұрын

@@polkunus Lol. Sure thing. I barely watch the dude, only found him with the release of SF6. But hes one of the few English speakers covering Japan, and he's definitely better than me (and probably you if we're being honest) soooo that doesn't really sound like a "content vulture" to me?

I'm loving the videos keep them coming

Thank you for this awesome content!

JWong has the correct take on modern vs classic

5:12 I'm so glad I'm not the only one who thinks his run combos are hard to get used to

@rochops9834

10 ай бұрын

I cry a bit everytime I see a ken hit the run dragonlance into super or shoryu while I only do the kick kick kick thing

@Hedonkeviik

10 ай бұрын

Really easy on stick but on controller it’s better to map run

@LightBringer666

10 ай бұрын

@@rochops9834 the trick is to press KK with forward to save time on entering the forward input after you start running. so all together it looks like this : =>+KK, down, diagonal fwd, K. then the super or shoryu after is just about learning to buffer the directional inputs for the super and timing the punch/kick button to trigger it right when you land from the dragonlash. hope that helped :)

@jaygreene9626

10 ай бұрын

@@HedonkeviikI gotten soo use to right trigger and x for run it’s not even funny 😂

@zrifepsych

10 ай бұрын

For me his jinrai loops are harder, especially the heavy version

Great content Justin!

Good breakdown on each character 👍

your headphones making your glasses crooked keeps making me crazy

The Guile underplay recently went crazy, finally he gets put where he belongs. Guile is a rushdown-zoner, no weaknesses fr.

THANK YOU All I needed to hear was Justin say “you can’t punish the boom”.

Yo Justin man, your elaborate explanation on this list was godtier lol. Keep it up.

First ever fighting game and i picked ken just cos he looked awesome to me when someone plays him well .and yeah im having trouble learning rushes like you said 😢

I agree with the top tier as I feel the same way, it's a pretty solid list.

I just LOVE this guys videos! Can’t wait for you to play MK1

I just got this game and I've never been cleared so fast by any other character like I did by Rashid. Also, I really want to be great with Jamie, but my experience on BH is showing me that I'll never be able to compete with him against the Kens, Juris, and Cammys that run rampant. I don't know if it's a lack of matchup balance issue because of how BH is set up or just how some characters are, but there's not a lot of room for doing something different in online play.

I’d move a few characters around but I mostly agree, solid list, if your character is lower tho do not be discouraged from playing them as I honestly think any of these characters can win a tournament

@jamaledwards8118

10 ай бұрын

Zangief, Manon, and Lily are not winning any majors. Small tournaments yes, online yes, ranks matches yes. Majors.....no

@66ixty9ine

10 ай бұрын

@@jamaledwards8118 sucks that Manon has a hit grab but not many ways to combo into it without using 3 drive bars Also, I notice that grapplers are consistently bottom tier in SF specifically... in GG, Potemkin is good but in sf, Alex sucks, Hugo is mid, Zangief was never great after 4, and Manon isn't great either

@DayFul

10 ай бұрын

​@@jamaledwards8118Lily is a couple of tweaks from being very scary. If people aren't willing to drive reversal she can quickly blockstring you into the corner which as we know is a horrible spot in SF6.

@jontheautomaton6004

10 ай бұрын

I don't care how low Chun-Li is I'm still going to play her.. I wanna feel like a kung fu master

@rycalamo2684

10 ай бұрын

@@66ixty9ine Alex is very good in SFV, high tier arguable, but other than that personality I prefer grapplers to be low tier

Thank you for adjusting your glasses. I couldn't focus on anything else. 🤣

Love your tier list. I have been playing Luke in classic, but I will try modern and see just how fast I rank up. Im already close to Diamond.

hella entertaining - amazing breakdown

Agree with pretty much all! Would love if you made a video of you playing Modern Ryu. Really intrigued to hear your reasoning for him being better in Modern.

Solid tier list.

Also something that a lot don’t know is Marisa has an advancing attack that armors against fireballs and sends the opponent to corner.

Always with the lowdown as always JW, Gonna try to win with Zangief at my locals still (also for future tier lists, please fullscreen the actual list, that way you loose the whitespace & the banner ads )

As a smash fan, im used to tier lists being 4 hour long videos, its kinda nice to consume one in less than 20.

Coming into this game after it had been out for 2 months, lol what the hell were people thinking when they thought manon was top tier.

0:51 oh cool J Wong wore his static TV T-shirt.

Actually one of the most hilarious and informative tier list videos I've ever seen. Keep it up king!

I love seeing Ken as #5 in the tier list!

@al_zera

10 ай бұрын

A brain dead char is now a brain dead strong char.

Getting Blanka to plantinum 2 almost 3 has been quite the journey. I think hes a STRONG A

I like this video. Justin sounds like the crazy guy at the corner talking about how there's voices coming from his teeth fillings.

Brian_F and Justin have the best FGC analysis content by far.. Very accurate list 👌

Finally a tier list that makes sense and with good arguments.

Pretty good list! I think JP is in top too. The fact everyone is gonna bait EX counter extra hard means you can just wake up buttons and steal turns. JP gets to play more than any other character. Plus he's got some really gross setups, guaranteed drive impacts, unblockables with level 2, scary high lows that give combos in the corner with ghosts. He does DAMAGE too.

@BronzeAgePepper

10 ай бұрын

"how do I beat JP he's too good!" "just bait the wakeup OD counter lol" "but what if he doesn't counter on wakeup..." "uhhhh good luck lmao"

@SlaytonSlaytonSlayton

10 ай бұрын

@@BronzeAgePepper Characters that can't get in trying to bait the counter from full screen lmao

Just got to plat 1 with Cammy, who I picked as my main on launch day. All I can say is, I agree with all of Justin’s points, and godamn did I pick right.

I only play classic and the most amusing thing happened to me. At the start, I got gold with Zangief. And Bronze with Ken. I was always a shoto player. Fun days I must say. Amusing.

as a gief main I respect this list...my boy doesnt have any low cancellable normal, lariat doesnt hit behind and the only time people respect your wake up is when you have lvl 3 super

@gooseherdez336

10 ай бұрын

I would be happy just with a lariat fix. It just doesn't make sense to not hit behind, is the same goddamn arms.

@ethanchang8092

10 ай бұрын

@@gooseherdez336 If you do lariat on your avatar in WT, it hits from behind, which means they probably changed that late in development.Speaking as a gief main, I say bring it back

@alfredososa3059

10 ай бұрын

​@@ethanchang8092I dont even play gief, but he definitely needs that. Its BS for kens running tatsu to hit behind but lariat doesn't 😂

@ellachino4799

10 ай бұрын

@@ethanchang8092 my first time playing this game I played world tour and used gief's lariat and was RUDELY surprised by gief's worst lariat in online play

@Phoenix-ff4le

10 ай бұрын

Geif also takes longer to get out of burnout. They nerfed Gief in every way possible and he STILL doesn’t have green hand lol.

I think this is a great tier list what you said for kim and manon are sentiments i share as well..i personally hope they don't nerf characters but just buff the lower tier like make manon kim and lily ex Dp's invincible as a start...Also with rashid due soon consider really making lily wind powers relevant in comparison else no one is going to play her

@abdulazizmohammed8797

10 ай бұрын

Bruh just cause they share the wind element doesn't mean shit for their archetypes. Rashid looks to be rushdown monster while lily plays a grappling/keep away game.

@raizen5371

10 ай бұрын

@@abdulazizmohammed8797 I understand that but as an archtype how is lily is she good at anything, her wind powers gimmick is lackluster at best, she doesn't need to be a crazy rushdown just make her utilize it better

@adriandenton6637

10 ай бұрын

@@raizen5371 Im doing ok with her in ranked,...its just a third of the roster is OP with all sorts of BS. She's got a dp, good range, command grab, that jump back condor dive glitch, condor spire combo, massive and easy to use HP AA, aa level 2....She's just rough when cornered.

@Gokuboy2002

10 ай бұрын

No way manon and Kimberly not better than Jamie

@evalangley3985

10 ай бұрын

There is nothing to buff at the moment. The game is fairly balanced because the game is relating to core mechanics that every characters have.

Man when you fixed your glasses in the intro it made me fix mine too.

Its hard seeing lilly, ryu, and kimberly so low. Those are my toughest match ups! But justins the man, he knows whats up

My thing with Manon is doing ex launch kick into the qcb kicks. If they don't roll back, I can do different meaty timings to be plus. If they do roll back they are basically in the corner. If she had slightly better scaling on her juggles, or slightly better juggles in general, I think she'd be top tier ez. Or even better, let her have access to her other kicks in ex form. For being a "power type" her damage is actually kind of ass outside of 4-5 medal throws and niche punish counters.

@thehobojarpen

10 ай бұрын

Buff Manon!

@kevinkalani

10 ай бұрын

Idom probably picked her because she is the most Laura like character, but the problem is like you said, Laura actually had other tools outside of command grabs that actually do decent damage.

@MrSkorm

10 ай бұрын

To think there are still people that think her medals should reset between rounds, even though she needs at least 3 before she does more damage than non grapple characters command throws.

@spaceghostcqc2137

10 ай бұрын

noob question but what's a meaty timing (besides a way to avoid over or undercooking dinner)?

@Two-ToneMoonStone

10 ай бұрын

​@@kevinkalanishe has tools, they just aren't as oppressive as Laura's projectile.

The game is pretty balance to be a vanilla version, all characters can win tournaments (some have a easier time, but others need to work more to win)

As a casual viewer randomly finding this video, it would have been nice to see video examples of everything talked about, but I get that would be lots of extra work.

As Kimberly main, I can confirm that im burned out after every combo. I do throw loops and bomb set ups just to buy time

I know my weakness in sf6. I play ryu. Though I do win a fair amount, I feel like I get cheesed by so much BS. I’m struggling at Diamond 4, and I feel like I only made it this far with him because the best players are already Master. I need to pick up someone else.

@Chickensea10

10 ай бұрын

Never give up! Good luck with your fighting journey

@MedicalBillz

10 ай бұрын

Nah man, go check ranked leaderboards, there's a few Ryus in top 100

@yibuu2

10 ай бұрын

Don't give up on em Ryu still slaps. Just lab those perfect parries

@ytcmbt2505

10 ай бұрын

Ryu is cheap

"OD Spinning Knuckle is the best anti-projectile move in the world" Lily: (OD Windclad) CONDOR SPIRE! 😭

@DayFul

10 ай бұрын

Sadly spire can be baited for a dp, It loses to so much stuff if used raw.

That assessment of JP was spot on. I main him but I swear, as soon as I hit Diamond, players were bodying me off 1 hard read. Plus it’s hard to come back if they know the match up.

28/08/2023 temporary result of capcom cup participant , there is kimberli , ryu & zangif got a spot in capcom cup. the tier list still has an effect but if the top players are playing then the results can change.this is not mocking the tier list maker but you can enter the tournament with all characters if you try optimally. You (the player) determine whether the character is strong or not

Ouch!! I'm almost plat5 with classic Ryu. Real talk hurts! I just miss #4 Sagat

@gamingwithralo2360

10 ай бұрын

Yea as a ryu main that hurt 💀

@yeabih5607

10 ай бұрын

Same lol . He’s not lying tho . Those other characters make it feel like why is Ryu even in here

This is the best breakdown for a game this balanced!!! $1 Million characters 😂

As a 90s arcade kid, I love when fighter fans use move names. “Bazooka Knee” yup. Justin, please make some Ryu videos. I guess he sucks but it’s too late and I need good corner combos after wall splat

Just a small correction with chun li, even with drive rush she doesn't get anything resembling a throw loop in the corner, if you drive rush and do a 4 frame button at the fastest timing after throw in the corner you'll trade with their 4 frame button, you can't even get a meaty and that seems very intentional. They made her throw +11, which is exactly the amount of frames you have before you can act out of raw drive rush. I kinda get why they were scared of making her too good but like damn even +12 would make the situation less of a gamble for her.

I rarely agree with tier lists, but this is probably the most accurate tier list I've seen so far.

@fozymilograno

10 ай бұрын

No way! If Lily is better than Manon and Zangief, so there is something really wrong.

@Behold__Optic_Blast

10 ай бұрын

@@fozymilograno zangief is definitely worse. Manon is there or there abouts. Not really worth arguing over. Notice I said "probably the most accurate" and not 100% perfect? Ummmm yeahhhhhhh, that's because there's always someone somewhere about to start contesting stuff.

My only hope is that everyone continues to play what they like and not play characters based on anyone's tier list.

*the Definitive Tier list* folks! (of the characters Justin wants to see buffed and nerfed.) :3

Man the sideways glasses at the start. I feel that struggle bro, I had to start using in ear monitors cause glasses be obnoxious to deal with wearing headphones. Literal headache 😅

I love Manon but I have to agree with her spot. Manon is my main but I’ve been playing Marisa lately and I can just tell it’s easier to win with Marisa.

WOW! Surprised with what you said about Manon. I thought she'd join Chun and Cammy as one of your waifus.

Thank you, Justin. I've been hearing people say Chun can fight everybody but then call her weak. And then people are saying dhalsim is weak, and I'm like "go check out champ's sim and tell me he's weak". I don't buy it. Lily, I'm starting to come around to because combofiend's lily is a menace. All in all, great list. Stay blessed.

I dont care about tier lists but it's a natural way just to talk more Street Fighter, which is awesome.

You mentioned Hakan'ing Jamie, I actually think Lily is the one who'd benefit more. Already having 1 or 2 wind stock when starting the round would help her worst match-ups, especially Guile where the actual best strategy is just M Wind Dancing into Sonic Booms to accumulate Wind Stocks.

@DayFul

10 ай бұрын

Yea she needs wind stocks to apply pressure and confirm off lights without spending drive gauge, Other characters get that for free.

@MrShinTensei

10 ай бұрын

She would end up broken

@Carlitonsp1

10 ай бұрын

@@MrShinTensei No she wouldn't. I remember thinking this while playing a Juri: "A Juri with no meter, no stocks, and in burn-out is a better character than Lily with full drive gauge, 3 stocks, and 3 meters."

I strongly agree with this tier list.

@cosmic5665

10 ай бұрын

I don't agree that he says not everyone is viable and tournament winnable

@DRAPEDinDARKNESS

10 ай бұрын

@@cosmic5665 The way the game is now, it’s true.

Would love to see a Dee Jay, Marisa, JP, or even Blanka make top 8 and then take a title. EVO's just around the corner and I hope it happens there!

thank you for fixing your glasses. that threw me off so hard lmao

I play Manon myself, and I have to admit, yeah. I think her biggest weakness is her neutral as trying to get in can be almost impossible at times, personally I would like to see her Drive Rush be made faster so it's easier for her to get in that way, but aside from that I mean, nothing else sticks out aside from maybe her big command grab being near exclusively a punish tool (which shouldn't change because imagine being able to combo into 5 medal command grab Jesus)

As an occasionally Jamie player, I 1000% agree on your take on Jamie! I hate that you have to start over every round!

@vuton7670

10 ай бұрын

I dislike jame and his TC but I 100% with ya. Give him 1 drink atleast.

@DayFul

10 ай бұрын

I just played a set Vs Jamie as Lily it was respectful AF there was almost an unspoken agreement not to drive impact it was hella fun.

Amazing Tier List good Sir ❤

Motivated me to get stuck into dee jay and learn him more

For Manon right if you're not going to make crouching mk, and standing hk cancellable then they need to be plus on hit and block regardless of spacing. Its like they said hey lets make a character that has a stock system that carries over between rounds that amps up her damage on only TWO moves then make all her other moves either non cancellable/negative you know because Level 5 Demon Wheel go brr...

Manon speedran from top 5 to bottom 3

I grew up with street fighter bit this is the first game that im gonna actually and try to learn. Ive always been afraid of playing competitive. I want to be a juri main because o love her design. (Insert real reason why people play her meme). I really want to try and improve with her.

Question: what is the best control set to play Marisa? Classic, modern or dynamic? I’m struggling using the Drive Rush in the classic control set. Any help please.

As a Zangief player…. I completely agree with your assessment of him

You’ve just roasted that poor Ryu 🤣, now I’ll see him like a homeless on the ranked saying « some chan… points please? » 😢

This game is addicting I'm playing Guile and Cammy on modern controls.

Legitimately can't wait to see you play Rashid.