The object we thought was impossible

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Steffen's polyhedron is a flexible concave polyhedron. Euler thought such a shape was impossible. I also show infinitesimally flexible polyhedrons and bistable polyhedrons.
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  • @SteveMould
    @SteveMould9 ай бұрын

    * polyhedrons - it's a valid plural and I'm taking it out for a spin. The sponsor is Incogni: the first 100 people to use code SCIENCE at the link below will get 60% off: incogni.com/science

  • @StarkRG

    @StarkRG

    9 ай бұрын

    It might be valid (inasmuch as English doesn't have any official rules so anything's valid as long as more than one person agrees) but it's still weird to hear. It feels like when someone says vertexes, matrixes (unless they're referring to the movies), or phenomenons.

  • @derroz3157

    @derroz3157

    9 ай бұрын

    i NEED A Candle

  • @BruceElliott

    @BruceElliott

    9 ай бұрын

    It's "polyhedra", and that's the hill I'm prepared to die on.

  • @theCidisIn

    @theCidisIn

    9 ай бұрын

    Did you say Stephens polyhedron? Edit: Sorry, I looked at the description and you said it's called Steffan's polyhedron.

  • @danielguy3581

    @danielguy3581

    9 ай бұрын

    @@BruceElliott No, you may not die on that hill. Only after you've fought over each and every Latin and Greek word being formed as plurals in English according to the rules of their origin language, when you've reddened the craggy landscape with your lifeblood, at last uttering your final grammatical gasp, do you have my permission to die on that hill.

  • @SirBrandonKing
    @SirBrandonKing9 ай бұрын

    Every neuron in my brain is screaming "IT'S JUST FLEXING WITHIN THE TOLERANCE OF THE IMPERFECT PRINT" which I know isn't the case, but I can't NOT see it that way

  • @accuwau

    @accuwau

    9 ай бұрын

    exactlyyy!

  • @krallopian

    @krallopian

    9 ай бұрын

    Same!

  • @thePronto

    @thePronto

    9 ай бұрын

    Or in the rigidity of the material.

  • @columbus8myhw

    @columbus8myhw

    9 ай бұрын

    That's the infinitesimal one later on!

  • @GeezRvonFart

    @GeezRvonFart

    9 ай бұрын

    Same here... in my limited mind the tolerances play a part, but at the same time, material flex must also play a part... instant head ache

  • @Rukalin
    @Rukalin9 ай бұрын

    The little stretchiness in the triangle you were talking about reminds me of illegal Lego builds where people combine many small Lego pieces in patterns so they bend and create curved surfaces

  • @SteveMould

    @SteveMould

    9 ай бұрын

    Yes!

  • @retro4711

    @retro4711

    9 ай бұрын

    "illegal lego builds" i love it 😂❤

  • @laureng2110

    @laureng2110

    9 ай бұрын

    ​@@retro4711That's what the Lego company calls them! It means they won't use these techniques in an official set, usually because they aren't stable or can get stuck.

  • @retro4711

    @retro4711

    9 ай бұрын

    @@laureng2110 i didn't know that, thanks! When I read "illegal builds" i couldn't help but imagine the lego police busting through my door because I built something using a forbidden technique :D

  • @JamesScholesUK

    @JamesScholesUK

    9 ай бұрын

    ​@@retro4711 this will be a B-story in the Lego Movie 7

  • @Braincain007
    @Braincain0079 ай бұрын

    I always love it when you and Matt pop up in each other's videos :D

  • @standupmaths

    @standupmaths

    9 ай бұрын

    Magic!

  • @gorden2500

    @gorden2500

    9 ай бұрын

    @@standupmaths was that a Parker card trick?

  • @Barnaclebeard

    @Barnaclebeard

    9 ай бұрын

    "Mathematician's bad sleight of hand," sounded entirely reasonable. I didn't suspect it was a set up at all. Very funny.

  • @standupmaths

    @standupmaths

    9 ай бұрын

    @@gorden2500Parker card illusion.

  • @kiddor3

    @kiddor3

    9 ай бұрын

    Spoilers!!!

  • @tammyhollandaise
    @tammyhollandaise9 ай бұрын

    I remember making "hexa-flexagons" in school. They're technically six tetrahedrons attached to each other, but are pretty fun to play with.

  • @The_Moth1

    @The_Moth1

    9 ай бұрын

    *Memories of Vihart*

  • @sophiedowney1077

    @sophiedowney1077

    9 ай бұрын

    ​@@The_Moth1I just showed my dad the vihart hexaflexagon video yesterday. It's kind of funny seeing it brought up a decade later.

  • @K.D.Fischer_HEPHY

    @K.D.Fischer_HEPHY

    9 ай бұрын

    Weird "flex" but OK. ;-)

  • @tammyhollandaise

    @tammyhollandaise

    8 ай бұрын

    @@sophiedowney1077 strange... I didn't realize there was a 2D-ish version. The ones we made are always 3D with regular tetrahedrons.

  • @LucianFisher-jj2em

    @LucianFisher-jj2em

    6 ай бұрын

    im glad im not the only one@@The_Moth1

  • @MrGatlin98
    @MrGatlin989 ай бұрын

    I wasn't convinced until I saw the simulation. This feels like tolerance problems in the 3D printed joints. It only makes sense in my head when it's a simulation with rigid definitions that aren't allowed to flex or stretch.

  • @iout

    @iout

    9 ай бұрын

    I was thinking the same thing at first, but you gotta realize that they probably proved this stuff mathematically a while ago. Making it physically is just a fun bonus step.

  • @jasond4084

    @jasond4084

    9 ай бұрын

    “They probably proved” is not “There’s a proof over here they are referencing”. If I know Steve he will realize he has to show the proof. *I don’t know Steve at all. 😅

  • @WLxMusic

    @WLxMusic

    9 ай бұрын

    it slides though

  • @iout

    @iout

    9 ай бұрын

    @@jasond4084 ​The actual proof is probably really long and opaque, not worth referencing in full in a quick, 9 minute, general audience video. But Steve does give enough information in the video to look it up for yourself if you were so inclined: 2:48 - the polyhedron in question was discovered by Klaus Steffen in 1978 and is known as Steffen's polyhedron.

  • @jasond4084

    @jasond4084

    9 ай бұрын

    @@iout it wasn’t clear in the video that the printed version and the proven version were the same. I thought this was a new find. But okeeee. Thanks

  • @chrisburn7178
    @chrisburn71789 ай бұрын

    The infinitesimally rigid polyhedrons which flex in the real world remind me of (I think) a practical application of this, which is "negative stiffness isolators". The object to be isolated from vibration is mounted to metal flexures (at the centre of the polyhedron that "pops" in and out like the fresh seal on a jam jar lid). This means that the deflection can actually increase as the force decreases, over a portion of the stiffness curve. They are very useful for extreme sensitivity environments where vibration on the order of 0.1 micrometres/s RMS velocity can be detrimental, and for high frequency vibration that active isolation can't respond to.

  • @IdentifiantE.S

    @IdentifiantE.S

    9 ай бұрын

    Oh thats interesting man !

  • @frozenturtl827

    @frozenturtl827

    3 ай бұрын

    I can’t completely understand wtf u just said but the parts I do sound neat. Ima need to see this for myself now lol

  • @Alex_192.

    @Alex_192.

    Ай бұрын

    Polyhedra*

  • @bellytripper-nh8ox

    @bellytripper-nh8ox

    19 күн бұрын

    Replying to @chrisburn7178: SARZHERFLURGERFLARRBZHSHAR?

  • @RichUncleGhostMutt

    @RichUncleGhostMutt

    7 күн бұрын

    Heaps interesting cheers

  • @MrRyanroberson1
    @MrRyanroberson19 ай бұрын

    6:44 i'm surprised you didn't think of the dodecahedron. any pentagonal face, when removed, if it permits flexibility will permit two degrees of freedom.

  • @haphazard1342

    @haphazard1342

    9 ай бұрын

    This makes intuitive sense: the pentagonal face can be broken up into multiple independent triangles, which thus can easily have their own flexibility. Since they do not share an unconstrained edge. I'm not sure if this is necessarily true independence, since the flexibility likely transfers through the rest of the body, but in the real world with the amount of flex in models the amount of movement transfer may be negligible. We can rephrase the question, then: does there exist any polyhedron where the removal of two faces results in only a single degree of freedom introduced? If not, then the polygonal face question becomes irrelevant, since any polygonal face can be divided into triangular faces: structurally the polygonal version and the triangulated version are equivalent when the faces constituting the polygon are removed.

  • @joshualucas1821

    @joshualucas1821

    9 ай бұрын

    @@haphazard1342 A cube with two opposite faces removed has 1 degree of freedom

  • @cthonianmessiah

    @cthonianmessiah

    9 ай бұрын

    I was thinking along similar lines, although I didn't work toward a minimal example - I just thought "OK, cut an icosahedron in half such that one face is much larger than the others and has a bunch of vertices, then remove it and there must be a way to get multiple degrees of freedom out of this".

  • @krzysztofsuchecki4967

    @krzysztofsuchecki4967

    9 ай бұрын

    A pyramid, but with penta-, hexa- or more-gon as a base instead of square would become a flappy umbrella with increasingly more degrees of freedom (as the number of vertices increases) when the base is removed, wouldn't it ?

  • @figmentincubator7980

    @figmentincubator7980

    9 ай бұрын

    @@krzysztofsuchecki4967 Doesn't that approach the top of a cone as the number of sides of the base increases? Intuitively I imagine a cone being rigid though I don't know if that is true. Anyways perhaps something like a pentagon base would be flexible anyways, its an interesting idea.

  • @Viniter
    @Viniter9 ай бұрын

    4:21 Ah, yes, The Parker Card Trick!

  • @raptor2265
    @raptor22659 ай бұрын

    I have to wonder what Euler's reaction would be if you took this back through time and showed it to him.

  • @paulmulders3648

    @paulmulders3648

    8 ай бұрын

    He'd be like "holy shit time travel is possible?"

  • @jakobwachter5181

    @jakobwachter5181

    8 ай бұрын

    "Huh."

  • @catfish552

    @catfish552

    8 ай бұрын

    "Oh come ONNNN!"

  • @bluelemon243

    @bluelemon243

    8 ай бұрын

    Euler was blind if remeber correctly so it would be hard to show him that lol

  • @Ultimaximus

    @Ultimaximus

    8 ай бұрын

    @@bluelemon243 He'd still be able to feel the shape and hold it in his hand

  • @conure512
    @conure5129 ай бұрын

    You mentioned polyhedra that are bi-stable, and it made me realize that the phenomenon of bi-stability is actually quite common - it's just that in most cases, the stable points are so far from each other that we can't really flex between then even with real-life, "rigid" pieces. Take the icosahedron for example - imagine applying enough pressure to one vertex that it gets "punched in", and the vertex now points inward rather than out. What you're left with is a structure with 20 perfect equilateral triangles, it's just concave now. Maybe the interesting problem regarding bi-stability is to find bi-stable shapes (or "multi-stable", it shouldn't have to be just 2) whose stable positions are as close together as possible. And I suppose a flexible polyhedron is the infinite limit of multi-stability, where its stable points are so infinitely close together that they become continuous.

  • @fabulousflufferbum2051

    @fabulousflufferbum2051

    8 ай бұрын

    I hate that I understand this run on ass sentence regardless of how many of the words I literally couldn't define given half a chance

  • @identiticrisis

    @identiticrisis

    8 ай бұрын

    ​@@fabulousflufferbum2051you should probably just embrace it

  • @melody3741

    @melody3741

    6 ай бұрын

    @@fabulousflufferbum2051these are completely normal sentences

  • @arnavrawat9864

    @arnavrawat9864

    3 ай бұрын

    Lmao this comment section is funny af Though OP you do a good job creating a picture

  • @stillbreathing80
    @stillbreathing808 ай бұрын

    This reminded me of origami, and how that can be used to demonstrate and illustrate mathematical concepts. I still have a copy of my favorite origami book from when I was a kid that actually contains a full chapter on "Beautiful Polyhedrons" that got little me asking my scientist mother math questions that she couldn't answer (which made little me feel very, very smart at the time.) They are mostly multi-sheet builds, but unitized in a way that you can easily assemble them into intriguing polyhedrons. I highly recommend "Origami Omnibus", by Kunihiko Kasahara if you can track down a copy of the 384pg tome as one of the few origami books printed in English that I've encountered that actually explores the mathematical beauty and concepts behind folding square sheets of paper. It covers everything from cute and simple animal models up through multipage books (no cutting) with a matching bookcase to store them in, and the method (and math) of using different sized paper (without rulers or calculators) to make interlocking 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, and 10 sided polygons of equal side length (pg 222) to build things like a rhombitruncated icosidodecahedron (pg 229) and the reversible stellate icosahedron (pg 234, which you can actually turn inside out and change it from flat sides into something starlike.) I'd love to see you explore some of the more technical stuff from that book. Even young kids can understand complicated subjects when they have real-world demonstrations in their hands.

  • @paulbrooks4395
    @paulbrooks43959 ай бұрын

    I love your curiosity and desire to explore the little things that many of us think are simple. The more I learn the more depth I realize there is to unlock.

  • @mousermind
    @mousermind9 ай бұрын

    When I was a kid, back in my old school Maryetta, we'd compete in trying to build 3D shapes strong enough not to shatter when thrown on the ground. Those were the days.

  • @nhand42
    @nhand429 ай бұрын

    Ivan Miranda deserves far more subscribers than he currently has. He's been building amazing machines and prints for years and he's always enthusiastic.

  • @geort45

    @geort45

    7 ай бұрын

    gigantic printers and gigantic stuff

  • @huxm5259
    @huxm52599 ай бұрын

    That was quite the nostalgia hit. Those toys were one of my favorites. I remember experimenting with this exact concept, except with no language or basis to understand it. It makes me think that people could become so much smarter if they were taught on an individual level. I was probably 2 when I had these toys and I was feel like i was ready to understand these types of concepts with the right teacher.

  • @ElcoCanon

    @ElcoCanon

    9 ай бұрын

    wow you're so smart.

  • @abangfarhan1

    @abangfarhan1

    9 ай бұрын

    Hey, do you know what those toys are called? I want to look them up on online shops.

  • @huxm5259

    @huxm5259

    9 ай бұрын

    ​@@ElcoCanon I'm just saying that these kinds of concepts could be learned so much earlier in life with the right teaching. This is like some late high school level stuff, but it's so easily accessible with these toys that its almost a natural progression if you play with them long enough. If you played with them as a small child all the time you would know I'm not lying. everyone does this exact thing with them but just don't develop a deeper understanding because of the lack of teaching.

  • @ferretyluv

    @ferretyluv

    9 ай бұрын

    These toys still exist, but they’re magnetic now. Kids love them, usually making castles.

  • @John-kv3do

    @John-kv3do

    9 ай бұрын

    @@abangfarhan1 Polydron

  • @robertmacpherson9044
    @robertmacpherson90449 ай бұрын

    I was struck by the passing mention of Robert Connelly. Back in the mid 90s, I made some flexible "carbon ring" models for Dr. Connelly and for a Swiss post doc named Beat Jaggi.

  • @rajeshdas8956
    @rajeshdas89569 ай бұрын

    This reminded me of cyclohexane. Used to image how it can have various shapes (conformations).

  • @kempshott

    @kempshott

    9 ай бұрын

    cis and trans, but those words have taken on a somewhat different meaning these days.

  • @entitree.

    @entitree.

    9 ай бұрын

    @@kempshott well, they're not words, they're prefixes

  • @Gakulon

    @Gakulon

    9 ай бұрын

    @@kempshott They took on a different meaning when they were adopted into chemistry as formal terms, too. I don't think the Romans had a significant amount of knowledge on cis and trans isomers

  • @ainsleybreakenridge

    @ainsleybreakenridge

    9 ай бұрын

    @@kempshottthe conformations of cyclohexane would be boat, chair, etc. maybe brush up on your ochem lol

  • @identiticrisis

    @identiticrisis

    8 ай бұрын

    ​@@Gakulonand yet ultimately, or etymologically, they still mean exactly what they did back then. Understand the general meaning, understand every special meaning

  • @harmonic5107
    @harmonic51079 ай бұрын

    Seeing this reminds me of seeing those rocks that are flexible. So strange to see something that your mind does not expect to happen happen.

  • @bathbomber

    @bathbomber

    9 ай бұрын

    Can you tell me more about these flexible rocks?

  • @hadz8671

    @hadz8671

    9 ай бұрын

    @@bathbomber Google "itacolumite"

  • @kirtil5177

    @kirtil5177

    9 ай бұрын

    @@bathbomber its called Itacolumite, there are youtube videos about it. something about a solid-looking rock bending feels so unnatural (despite it being natural)

  • @harmonic5107

    @harmonic5107

    9 ай бұрын

    @@kirtil5177 beat me to it, thanks!

  • @monhi64

    @monhi64

    9 ай бұрын

    @@bathbomberbasically flexibility of an object is arguably more about an objects shape than it is about the physical properties. Think about a metal block and it’s not really flexible at all but make it thin, like a spring or foil and it can become very flexible. There’s a specific type of rock that has enough inherent flexibility that a regular looking centimeter thick or so sheet of it can flex around in a way that looks bizarre. What I haven’t seen more people talk about though is the fact you can make just about any rock flexible by shaping it correctly and making it thin and perhaps spring like. Those rocks specifically known for being flexible lose all of their flexibility too if they’re not shaped right and are too blocky

  • @guest_informant
    @guest_informant9 ай бұрын

    "Proofs and Refutations" by Imre Lakatos, which examines the nature of mathematical progress and discovery (check it out, it's got its own Wikipedia page*) is based around a discussion of polyhedra, specifically the Euler Characteristic. *From which I learn: 'The MAA has included this book on a list of books that they consider to be "essential for undergraduate mathematics libraries"'

  • @goldentortoisebeetle9741

    @goldentortoisebeetle9741

    7 ай бұрын

    I wasn’t looking for this comment but I’m glad i’ve found it. Ty.

  • @sawyergreaves7543
    @sawyergreaves75438 ай бұрын

    You should look into auxetic structures and or negative poisson ratio materials. It feels a little bit related to this. Basically, instead of a material getting narrower across as you stretch it length wise (like how a rubber band gets thinner as you stretch it) it instead gets wider. It also feels really unnatural but they exist!

  • @MarkusSchaber
    @MarkusSchaber9 ай бұрын

    It's good you printed the side with the window. Otherwise, I could have suspected it's just tolerances within the hinges allowing the thing to move.

  • @xyoxus
    @xyoxus9 ай бұрын

    3:27 If you have an object like this in a 3D format you can put it into software like PepakuraDesigner to get glue flaps, so you don't have to use tape to hold it together.

  • @rassicr
    @rassicr9 ай бұрын

    How can you be sure the flexing isn't some kind of additive result of all the gaps in the hinges?

  • @maxthexpfarmer3957

    @maxthexpfarmer3957

    9 ай бұрын

    they proved it mathematically

  • @nathangamble125

    @nathangamble125

    9 ай бұрын

    Maths.

  • @Zothaqqua
    @Zothaqqua9 ай бұрын

    For all those saying it's just imperfection that allows it to flex, please look up en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steffen%27s_polyhedron and its citations. I was also surprised.

  • @matthewstone7367
    @matthewstone73679 ай бұрын

    This is a great video. Thank you for making it!

  • @gallium-gonzollium
    @gallium-gonzollium9 ай бұрын

    6:34 *J O I N U S*

  • @Barteks2x
    @Barteks2x9 ай бұрын

    This immediately made me wonder whether we could synthesize organic compounds with such structure and whether they would have aby unusual properties

  • @claudiusraphael9423
    @claudiusraphael94239 ай бұрын

    Looks to me like the perfect wavebreaker, put in chains as bantons in tsunami-endagered coastlines, for example as anchored-chain-boeys as well. Might be a way to divert vibrations as given in shocks of an earthquake, too. In any case, thx for sharing!

  • @NickRenwick
    @NickRenwick9 ай бұрын

    Always learn something here. Thanks.

  • @morganmcguire1989
    @morganmcguire19895 ай бұрын

    I appreciate that this is approachable and clear without in any way dumbing down the math or avoiding terminology.

  • @cajuallyponk6035
    @cajuallyponk60359 ай бұрын

    Actually good to keep the infinitesimal flexibility when designing for 3d printing, had the intuition for it but having a name for things is always better for clarity of thought and communication.

  • @scotts918
    @scotts9189 ай бұрын

    12 seconds in, damn good quality already!

  • @grammaurai6843
    @grammaurai68439 ай бұрын

    This is so visually stimulating and satisfying ❤

  • @PedroSantos-fw6gk
    @PedroSantos-fw6gk9 ай бұрын

    Your videos are so good in so many dimensions

  • @jonbob2
    @jonbob29 ай бұрын

    We had those exact same plastic shapes in primary school. Thanks for digging up a nice memory Steve!

  • @cheeseburgermonkey7104

    @cheeseburgermonkey7104

    7 ай бұрын

    I want to get my hands on these, do you know what they're called?

  • @petermichaelgreen

    @petermichaelgreen

    6 ай бұрын

    @@cheeseburgermonkey7104 IIRC polydon was/is the original though there are certainly other brands.

  • @D.E.P.-J.
    @D.E.P.-J.9 ай бұрын

    I don't know, but did Euler only consider convex polyhedra to be polyhedra? What was the definition of a polyhedron at his time?

  • @jomolisious
    @jomolisious7 ай бұрын

    I love problems like this. that are extremely simple in asking but complicated in solving, yet the solution is something you can literally hold and not only see but literally feel in your hands. It takes away a lot of the esoteric nature from modern math and gives the feeling we’re still continuing the work of ancient mathematicians.

  • @trumanhanks1818
    @trumanhanks18189 ай бұрын

    I must say, that additional filming by Nicole was magnificent.

  • @KageSama19
    @KageSama199 ай бұрын

    LMFAO @ the cut to Matt doing bad sleight of hand. That was really good 😂

  • @idlewildwind
    @idlewildwind9 ай бұрын

    OH MY WORD thank you! I've wondered for years what that rod-and-strings contraption is, ever since I saw it on someone's desk in some movie! I even modelled it in 2D with different colours and transparencies to figure it out! (Then I didn't make one because I have neither woodworking skills nor 3D printer access but ah well.) Now that I know what it's called (Skwish!) I could actually get one. The one in the film had a big sphere in the centre, though, and none of the endcap/sliding balls. I will google this later!

  • @DanteYewToob

    @DanteYewToob

    9 ай бұрын

    I’ve seen it too and was curious… I can’t find one on google, if you have better luck let me know! Edit: I got it… expanded octahedron model. There is also a double expanded which is pretty awesome too!

  • @jozimastar95
    @jozimastar959 ай бұрын

    The shape in geometry test :

  • @ielmosTTR
    @ielmosTTR7 ай бұрын

    Fun fact, the test for a structure to be not infinitesimally flexible (isostatic or iperstatic) is at the base of all structural mechanics jobs

  • @garrettwilson4754
    @garrettwilson47548 ай бұрын

    Throwing shade at Matt Parker's card tricks, delightful

  • @delecti
    @delecti9 ай бұрын

    It seems like you'd get much more wobble if the single removed face had more sides. I think you're probably right that the degrees of freedom are limited for squares or triangles. If you instead imagine two regular octahedrons as the ends of something like a prisim, but with the sides replaced triangles (like the "ring" around the middle of a regular icosohedron), then it would likely be pretty wobbly with just one face removed.

  • @flameofthephoenix8395

    @flameofthephoenix8395

    3 ай бұрын

    Indeed, that would give more wobble and moreover ease of flexing, by making more sides you are decreasing the length of each side meaning that you are also decreasing the length you'd have to flex in order to get back to a stable position.

  • @stuchly1
    @stuchly19 ай бұрын

    Just popping in to get this in my watch history, will watch properly in the evening. I love geometry and this looks really interesting!

  • @examplewastaken

    @examplewastaken

    9 ай бұрын

    You are aware of the "Watch Later" playlist, right? ;)

  • @tigrafale4610

    @tigrafale4610

    9 ай бұрын

    @@examplewastaken or even just the subscription box

  • @examplewastaken

    @examplewastaken

    9 ай бұрын

    @@tigrafale4610 now imagine even using it 😲😂

  • @mr_ekshun

    @mr_ekshun

    9 ай бұрын

    @@tigrafale4610 (regarding this, I have several hundred subscribed channels now so it's actually even less useful than even just the homepage for finding what I want. Imo, situationally useful if you don't have a lot of subscribed channels.)

  • @Greg-yu4ij
    @Greg-yu4ij9 ай бұрын

    I can’t help but watch your videos every time one pops up. It’s just too intellectually stimulating. It’s like brain candy.

  • @anonymousstacker2044
    @anonymousstacker20448 ай бұрын

    Whenever I've had an overdose of random YT shorts, I return to this channel to regain some brain cells.

  • @incinerati
    @incinerati9 ай бұрын

    Are you sure that the flexing is not due to the mechanical backlash?

  • @MeOnStuff

    @MeOnStuff

    9 ай бұрын

    The physical model should be thought of as a demonstration - not a proof. Steffen's Polyhedron has been proven mathematically to be flexible, but obviously you can't built a perfect mathematical shape in the real world.

  • @jb76489
    @jb764899 ай бұрын

    I wonder how much the manufacturing tolerances play into this

  • @n8hsu255
    @n8hsu2558 ай бұрын

    I didn't have this back in 1960s Florida US school, but, it reminds me of a device of folded notebook paper we made. We inserted the index finger and thumb of each hand under flaps numbered 1 to 4. By unpinching finger/thumb pairs alternately it would expose horizontal or vertical valleys. You would ask someone to pick a number then unfold the flap and read the message. We never had a name for it.

  • @azlastor
    @azlastor8 ай бұрын

    I remember being in school learning physics, free body diagrams and stuff like that. (Pulleys, strings, weights, etc). In this context, I remember struggling so much with a "made up" exercise of mine, imagine 2 bodies joined by a string, and then another string joined at the middle of this string pulling perpendicularly... Pretty much what you explained about the colinear hinge... In the constraints of idealized freebody diagrams this just wouldn't move, which is obviously not what happens in the real world... And 13 y/o me struggled for a while until I realized that in the real world the strings would stretch slightly, therefore you'd have a small component of the force actually pulling the bodies together... It was an important formative moment for me I think... realizing that the ideal models and simplyfications made while you are being taught should not be forgotten about and in the future should be referred to if something didn't make intuitive sense... Like it made clear to me some limitations of how we are taught... Haha, that was cool... it's always cool finding out about the more formal explanations for stuff like this and to remember that pretty much always someone thought our same same thoughts a long time ago and went way more in depth and actually formalized them...

  • @Dana__black
    @Dana__black6 ай бұрын

    I guess Euler wasn’t so smart after all

  • @tedtieken3592

    @tedtieken3592

    4 күн бұрын

    If he was so smart, why aren’t more things named after him? QED.

  • @ViliamF.
    @ViliamF.9 ай бұрын

    Yay, Matt easter-egg!

  • @JohnBeak
    @JohnBeak9 ай бұрын

    We used to have these toys at kindergarten, iirc it was called Jovo. I would always construct the shape in a plane first before folding it into 3D. Teachers couldn't wrap their heads around that as the other kids never built anything more complex than a cube.

  • @reged2070
    @reged20709 ай бұрын

    I think its impossible unless removed wall has 5 sides. 6:00 you can move them independently when there are at least 5 free edges icosahedron with 5 sides removed is the same as if there was originally pentagon. Is icosahedron with pentagonal side a proof then since it fits definition of polyhedron 2:17?

  • @maxthexpfarmer3957

    @maxthexpfarmer3957

    9 ай бұрын

    yea

  • @koharaisevo3666

    @koharaisevo3666

    9 ай бұрын

    Wouldn't the dodecahedron's much better

  • @reged2070

    @reged2070

    9 ай бұрын

    @@koharaisevo3666 they already have pentagonal walls that are rigid on its own when 3 of them are connected

  • @reged2070

    @reged2070

    9 ай бұрын

    Every antiprizm with top and bottom wall that have 5 or more edges can do

  • @vijaykrishnan7797
    @vijaykrishnan77979 ай бұрын

    4:18 😂

  • @EscapeRealityProductions
    @EscapeRealityProductions8 ай бұрын

    Thank you sir I really needed to see this this was the last obstacle in my way of creating a time travel device that actually works

  • @galeem713
    @galeem7139 ай бұрын

    Amazing. I wish I had a teacher like you in school.

  • @asiburger
    @asiburger9 ай бұрын

    Does it flex, because of material flex though, or is it genuinely moveable, JUST at the hinges?

  • @Errenium

    @Errenium

    5 ай бұрын

    it works even if all faces are perfectly rigid.

  • @silasmarrs1409
    @silasmarrs14099 ай бұрын

    I've never gotten to one of your videos this early before!

  • @Kallyn
    @Kallyn9 ай бұрын

    could the polyhedron at 2:36 be constructed in 3d with holes through the faces?

  • @HandledToaster2
    @HandledToaster28 ай бұрын

    I can always count on Steve Mould to find interesting toys I never knew I needed.

  • @questmarq7901
    @questmarq79019 ай бұрын

    Remember that videogames use Triangles. So this geometry could revolutionize physics simulation in videogames down the line

  • @jenniferdunstan5065

    @jenniferdunstan5065

    9 ай бұрын

    oooh yeah

  • @35milesoflead
    @35milesoflead9 ай бұрын

    Hi Steve. You had me at "this is a valley fold, this is a mountain fold." Some of this can be proven via origami. There's an American origami artist called Steve Biddle who made a rotating tetrahedron. I have a book with the fold pattern in it.

  • @moriak123
    @moriak1239 ай бұрын

    I remember that I made this or of cardboard when I was teenager, almost 40 years ago, based on one article in polish mathematical magazine "Mała Delta" (Little Delta). That was fun.

  • @DeuxisWasTaken
    @DeuxisWasTaken8 ай бұрын

    Thanks for recommending Ivan, I follow a bunch of similar channels but had no idea about him.

  • @Bob78
    @Bob783 ай бұрын

    Weird flex, but ok.

  • @menemali163
    @menemali1639 ай бұрын

    Wow I've never been so early

  • @ivanmirandawastaken
    @ivanmirandawastaken9 ай бұрын

    This was definitely quite a head scratcher indeed. Flexible polyhedron 3D printed house when?

  • @lsedge7280
    @lsedge72809 ай бұрын

    I agree with the Mould Conjecture on removing a single face from a polyhedron. - I think the minimum you could achieve it with would probably be removing two faces, though I think that would be hard still. You're effectively needing to isolate the flex from transmitting to some of the released faces, and given that all the faces are going to connect to at least 3 other faces, I think isolating that transmission of flex isn't possible with a single face removed.

  • @oowo9323
    @oowo93239 ай бұрын

    sprite

  • @sonicwaveinfinitymiddwelle8555
    @sonicwaveinfinitymiddwelle85558 ай бұрын

    I never thought that was impossible. I never knew it existed and I believe it does now.

  • @zbarba
    @zbarba9 ай бұрын

    I love the chain fountain standing in the background like a trophy

  • @shannonmcstormy5021
    @shannonmcstormy50219 ай бұрын

    I Love this channel. I also love robust "Description" sections on KZread as it allows the user to find specific content, follow suggested links to other content we might like, etc. But I have one SUGGESTION: When propagating the Description section, if this is possible, put an additional "Show Less" right next the "More" on top (as well as the one at the bottom). This would allow someone to collapse it without having to scroll all the way to the bottom to do so. (I have no idea if this is possible.) .

  • @DivineCerinian

    @DivineCerinian

    7 ай бұрын

    That's a suggestion for KZread

  • @stevenneiman1554
    @stevenneiman15547 ай бұрын

    "A mathematician's bad sleight of hand" gave me quite a chuckle.

  • @jorgetlw12
    @jorgetlw128 ай бұрын

    this is a good way to explain the vibrations in organic chemicals

  • @Z_E_B_O
    @Z_E_B_O9 ай бұрын

    Interesting, this reminds me alot about Flexagons in Origami, where you have a shape that you can basically turn inside itself to create a different shape. I think thats pretty cool, maybe look into these as well.

  • @feelsweirdman542
    @feelsweirdman5429 ай бұрын

    Matemathicians: "This is Impossible!" Guy with a 3D Printer: "Are you challenging me?"

  • @PatrickOMara
    @PatrickOMara9 ай бұрын

    I love how @stevemould look and vibe is that he just physically finished wrestling a math problem and won.

  • @sickregret
    @sickregret9 ай бұрын

    I don’t understand this but I’m super appreciative this absolute mad lad took the time to tell me about them.

  • @brandonn6099
    @brandonn60998 ай бұрын

    "Hey Matt Parker, I need you to do a slight of hand trick, but make it really bad." "It's the only way I know how."

  • @martinstent5339
    @martinstent53399 ай бұрын

    I have a long time relationship with this plastic toy. I get it out sometimes and just make interesting solids, like stellated and truncated platonic solids. They are just so nice to hold in your hand and contemplate. Also straight prisms and "screwthread" prisms and their chiral partners. You can spend (waste) hundreds of hours just enjoying making nice shapes!

  • @SephJoe

    @SephJoe

    8 ай бұрын

    Do you remember what they are called or if you can still buy them? I have been looking for them / trying to remember what they were called for years now. I used to play with them as a kid in elementary school.

  • @martinstent5339

    @martinstent5339

    8 ай бұрын

    @@SephJoe I'm very sorry, but the original cardboard box disintegrated decades ago, and we just keep them in an old bucket now. I tried to find them with an internet search and failed. There are lots of kits with magnets but I couldn't find the old type which click together like in this video. If you do find a seller, I would be interested in buying some more just to make even bigger shapes!

  • @jonathancullis9155

    @jonathancullis9155

    8 ай бұрын

    @@SephJoe Polydron

  • @cheeseboy8241
    @cheeseboy82419 ай бұрын

    as a kid i used to love making polyhedra with magnets. never figured out a flexible one ofc but I was always trying to

  • @Aemirys
    @Aemirys7 ай бұрын

    So psyched to have discovered your channel!

  • @Alacritous
    @Alacritous9 ай бұрын

    I think it's only flexible because of the inaccuracy of the construction of the sides. the play in the hinges is what allows the flexibility.

  • @aaronale5

    @aaronale5

    9 ай бұрын

    Or the sum of "slop" in all of the joints. Watch closely, you can see the joints stretching.

  • @SteveMould

    @SteveMould

    9 ай бұрын

    There's a mathematical proof that Steffen's Polyhedron is flexible

  • @Alacritous

    @Alacritous

    8 ай бұрын

    @@SteveMouldOf course there is. The mathematical model will be perfect. Such a thing doesn't exist in the real world. Or at least approaching it would cost more than your budget would allow.

  • @shayboual1892

    @shayboual1892

    4 күн бұрын

    ​@@Alacritousanything imperfect will flex more. It works in both perfect maths world and the imperfect human world

  • @WiseRiley
    @WiseRiley8 ай бұрын

    Polyhedron: **literally flexes and moves air in real world** mathematicians: “nope, not flexible”

  • @jinghengchia2201
    @jinghengchia22018 ай бұрын

    Love the Parker Square sleight of hand insert in this

  • @micahwest3566
    @micahwest35668 ай бұрын

    That jumpscare from my childhood tensegrity toy delighted me! I always know I liked that thing- but never because it involved cool maths!

  • @zlcoolboy
    @zlcoolboy8 ай бұрын

    This is another level of nerdiness that I've never seen before. I'm glad you all can geek out over this. I find it interesting though.

  • @louisvictor3473
    @louisvictor34739 ай бұрын

    I think you can easily make as many degress of freedom as you want since it doesn't need to be a regular polyhderdon. For simplicity, start with a triangle. Now, divide each edge into 3 parts, and delete the middle one. Rotate one of the edges outwards (could be both, could be inwards, but we keeping it simple), and elongate them a little but less than the original length. Now, reconnected the two dangling vertexes with a segment, making it a polygon again (or a "triangle" with Z ish shaped edges). Now each of these trios have independent degrees of motion as a polygon, you can keep the original vertexes fixed as hinge points. Now, we move to 3D. Just pick an arbitrary height (so 1) above the figure and connect all those vertexes to it, forming a Z faced "tretrahedron". If you remove the original polygon face, you have 3 degrees of freedom. Of course, you can pull this trick with any base polygon, so you can literally have as many degrees of fredom as you'd like depending on what you start with. In fact, you didn't even need to subdivide the middle into just 3 parts, that is just the minimum. You could have subdivided each original edge into 4 or more parts, but all it means is that each sequence of 3 of those are themselves one independent degree of freedom like in the original, so you could achieve infinity degrees of fredom that way too. Except that that is mathematically identical to the original method, so it is literally the same thing just presented differently (in the original, any sequence of 3 new edges forms that Z shaped hinge and is therefore an independent degree of freedom, it doesn't need be confined to the 3 that came from the same original edge, I lied by omission for simplicity).

  • @Joey_ott
    @Joey_ott9 ай бұрын

    matt parker cameo pulling the parker trick, enlightening

  • @05degrees
    @05degrees9 ай бұрын

    Oh, I remember gluing myself this one several years ago, it’s so neat!

  • @stewartmoore5158
    @stewartmoore51589 ай бұрын

    You have an incredible knack for teaching.

  • @opaltoralien4015
    @opaltoralien40158 ай бұрын

    My brain could not comprehend the movement of the grey, green and blue shape you had printed. For me, it was like if the walls of a house suddenly started shrinking and growing as you flexed it. Logically that is impossible and it is just moving/angling, but I genuinely could not visually comprehend what was going on, I had to take your word for it. I think it is because of how the concave and convex areas are arranged in a very unnatural looking shape I would have never encountered combined with the effects of lighting and plastic colours. The brain is neat like that.

  • @notacat2423
    @notacat24239 ай бұрын

    The strangest part of this is Ivan printing in a color other than red.

  • @Riku-Leela
    @Riku-Leela9 ай бұрын

    Thats such a random subject and im here for it, so interesting

  • @robramsey5120
    @robramsey51209 ай бұрын

    This brings back memories of playing with those at primary school on rained out lunch breaks when we had to stay inside.

  • @EsquireR
    @EsquireR8 ай бұрын

    Just made me think how generally regular things can be a cause of so much internal ideas I would have no idea about without people who explain all the intricacies of this world thx

  • @nawabsahab6461
    @nawabsahab64619 ай бұрын

    Wow you just solved a problem we never knew existed and probably would have never known in our life.

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