Another round of "We need 5000$ for a mmorpg. Trust us, bro."

@fjardim14

Жыл бұрын

Have no fear. The $500,000 stretch goal is, uhhh, NFTs of your character! Wait, are those no longer a thing? Then, um, chatGPT, or something!"

@SomeGuy-qh6rw

Жыл бұрын

More than likely the game is already made, and will be really low quality. My guess is the 5 grand is for the costs some stores cost to post things. I've seen "finished," games that look worse. Especially on mobile.

@jackie.p6891

Жыл бұрын

@@SomeGuy-qh6rw the 5k is probably for servers, if it's really an mmo. but even that's not going to be enough if you have a decent player base.

@jubb1984

Жыл бұрын

It would be 50k if it had nfts in it

@gazz3867

Жыл бұрын

Right. If they were asking 5 M$ (which essentially won't happen) then that would already be a shoestring budget for an MMO. For a 100k budget they can certainly finish the cash shop and aim to be the next Star Citizen. ;)

"We've never built a game before but we have extensive knowledge of the task at hand for ourselves. Some of the best Video Games to hit the world were made by people without experience." from Rival of Dreadnought kickstarter page. Yeah, good luck guys.

@Sorrowdusk

Жыл бұрын

Well they sure as hell think they're American McGee or somebody.

@toddtaylor6506

Жыл бұрын

I have no idea what I'm doing, everyone send me money and maybe I'll figure it out, lol.

@onomatopoeia7505

Жыл бұрын

Maybe they can ask Caspian some advice.

@paulmdevenney

Жыл бұрын

"I know you've never built a game before, you think an MMO needs 150K...."

@Lenariet

Жыл бұрын

And a lot more video games made by such people probably failed. But hey, I'm sure person XYZ is that special snowflake and main protagonist who will do differently.

I wish we could get info on the demography of people giving money to such doomed to fail crap, would be interesting to see the data

@fregabriel

Жыл бұрын

it could be friends and family.. or, hey, even their own money to show that there are backers in

@arcadianlhadattshirotsughW33Z

Жыл бұрын

13%...

@ekki1993

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I'd love to know how much of the backing is from actual people putting their actual money because they're hyped for the game and what would go in the head of someone doing that. That said, it's known that a lot of projects just dump some of their money because it's good optics to make it look like someone is actually putting money in.

@onomatopoeia7505

Жыл бұрын

Demographic? Mouth breathers, droolers, everyone under 21 years old (prefrontal cortex not yet completely developed), crypto bros, the usual.

@thatHARVguy

Жыл бұрын

@@fregabriel "Our Kickstarter project got funded in 30 minutes!" Yeah, they funded it themselves to create that false sense of success. Once they get their funding goal they pull/refund their self funding, and ride the wave of actual backers.

gotta love how a FONT can set off alarm bells in your subconscious before you even know why

Funny how World of Titans has "Player Account System" mentioned as one of the features promissed. That's the most basic thing a mmo should have by default.

@WolfgangDoW

Жыл бұрын

Next they'll say it has graphics and a database

@LlibertarianGalt

Жыл бұрын

Surprised they didn't add 'Actual gameplay included'

@nakano15

Жыл бұрын

Yeah! How dare they forget the most important part?

There was recently a humble bundle with tons of stylized assets, expect a lot of new "WoW-looking" asset flips.

@UnreasonableOpinions

Жыл бұрын

Ah, I thought something like that might have happened. Like when that huge chunky pixel pack released on Unity asset store for quite cheap and literally hundreds of bare reprints came out on Steam within a week.

@SimonSlav-GameMakingJourney

Жыл бұрын

​@@UnreasonableOpinions Yea it's a double edge sword. It's great that smaller teams can get assets, but if they don't customize them to fit their game, the assets will start looking cheap and low effort.

@Jokoko2828

Жыл бұрын

@@mushyroom9569 Copyright in the form it exists now is purely there so people can earn money, no one actually cares who came up with something first.

@UnreasonableOpinions

Жыл бұрын

@@mushyroom9569 This is literally what asset stores are for.

@roqsteady5290

Жыл бұрын

@@mushyroom9569 the whole economy is based on making products largely out of parts from other manufactures. No reason software shouldn’t work the same way.

I created my own tic tac toe game, how much harder could creating an MMORPG be? 🤡

@billyjackmedley

Жыл бұрын

They are the same difficulty to make.

@corpusarmatae8541

Жыл бұрын

Truthfully, if you use assets for stuff like networking, it can be done pretty easily. Although networking solutions usually come with a daunting monetisation, and an even more daunting list of compatibility issues.

@PropaneWP

Жыл бұрын

Draw swords on the game pieces and add a purple gradient background. Now it's an MMORPG.

@kubi0461

Жыл бұрын

Take your tic tac toe game and have players start out with access to only two rows and only 2 Xs to use (or Os). Sure it was suck at first but as they play more they would slowly earn more Xs to use and unlock more squares to play in. Then in your first expansion, Add a new design behind the board and change to dollar and cents symbols instead of X and O. And of course it’s a new board so they start with limited uses and board squares to play in, but fear not they can unlock all of that through enough playtime. And if they tweet/share with friends, they can unlock a special new challenge board with fast faced timers for each turn. Expansion 2 would add depth. Now you’re in a virtual room and there are NPCs you need to talk to and solve a riddle before you can place your X/O/etc. on your turn. And there would be two boards you would play on at one time, given players moar content.

@corpusarmatae8541

Жыл бұрын

@@kubi0461 ngl an expending tictactoe game could be interesting, strategy-wise. Depending on the timing and way of expension it could play out differently. Like every x amount of turns or at every draw, it pops a new row or column or both. Until one of the players win.

02:47 those icons are very popular on the Unreal Engine store. If they can't afford to hire an artist for original content, how the hell are they going to afford the server infrastructure.

Are we back in the age of "Oh an MMO is easy! lets make one for 200k"

@solblackguy

Жыл бұрын

We never left the age of "obvious scam."

@RuSosan

Жыл бұрын

Did we ever get out of that era in the first place?

You hit the nail on the head with the BS be the hero who saves the world in MMOs. I too just want to inhabit a world with other people, share in adventures and fun nonsense.

We are blessed with Kira content after the hiatus, awesome to see all the new videos pop up!

I'm making an MMO. It will do everything! EVERYTHING. Gib money pls.

Was there a new asset pack released on the cheap this week? There's a LOT of zero-effort doomed MMOs asking for tiny amounts of money with very similar-looking assets. I've seen rushes like this before when a big one goes on sale.

@Shinobin333

Жыл бұрын

It's prolly cuz World of Warcraft got kicked out of China, so everyone tries to become their replacement

WoW's success ruined the MMO genre which is why we are screwed today. Prior to WoW a subscriber base of 200k was considered a great success. Then WoW hits and now if a MMO isn't guaranteed to hit 10 million subscribers, a major developer won't touch the project with a 10-foot pole. This of course leaves MMO fans with the desperate hopes and dreams of kickstarter campaign leading to a decent and fun game to replace all the aging or crap stuff that is left for us to play. That is why people still give money to kickstarter projects. It is like buying a lottery ticket. You intellectually know you have a better chance of living to 120 years old, than winning the lottery, but you still buy tickets because its nice do dream.

Supporting/getting excited for a new MMORG= doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results= insanity

@Speederzzz

Жыл бұрын

The only games I get excited about anymore are the ones that do not ask you for money and instead got money from investors

The World of Titans stuff is using standard animation combos that you can also find in a little indie action rpg called Rune Knights (pretty mid game). The UI is all asset stuff from what I can tell. Looks trash, is what I'm saying

"A fool and his money are soon parted". If people by NOW have not learned to NEVER back a MMORPG on a crowdfunding site, then they will never learn.

surprised that outer heaven hasnt been assassinated by square for using the final fantasy font and the minor alteration they did to FF14's meteor logo

@Breaker242

Жыл бұрын

its a condensed serif font dude. Theyre pretty standard. SE is smart enough to know you cant sue over that unlike certain internet lawyer lol

Taking the cash-grabs aside, I think people are setting their expectations too low on what actually goes into making an MMORPG. When large AAA studios have issues launching a new MMO what chance do startups have? Perhaps the best bet would be to KS a tech demo to submit to a large backer or producer, like SE or Acti.

@matbroomfield

Жыл бұрын

AAA studios have problems because it's hard to make a despicable cash grab that is fun to play yet wildly overambitious.

@RoseKindred

Жыл бұрын

@@matbroomfield One of the leads on FFXIV talked about this before. Basically, you have to balance quick profits with long-term projections for the backers of the project. When a MMO comes out F2P you have to recover costs with MTX versus the monthly P2P model where it is slow and steady. You can make a solid project, but if you do not appease your investors it will not be funded. What I was meaning, $ aside, was the development issues of an MMORPG and the scale to get it running. FFXIV ran into this at the start, it was so bad they gave us years of free play before they charged and rebooted it with Realm Reborn. GW had a great MMO but they could not balance endplay and the user base stagnated.

@matbroomfield

Жыл бұрын

@@RoseKindred Yes, I can see what you/the dev are referring to. Unfortunately, the need to return significant profits have corroded game design. Games all compete to be vast, and to return tens or hundreds of millions of dollars so the fat cats can walk away rich. In the old days, it was enough to make a profit on investment, but then they started to get massively greedy and that changed the dynamic for the worse. Why would they make a game that makes 20 million when they can aim for a shittier game that makes 100 million? Fortunately, the tide is turning and consmers are finally voting with their wallets? How many high profile triple A failures have we seen in the past few years?

@RoseKindred

Жыл бұрын

@@matbroomfield Yeah, games have been getting worse and worse. Less content, more patches, more MTX, hopefully soon we hit bottom and rebuild. Indie studios have been able to produce better games because they are given the time and desire to improve. But indie studios just do not have the ability to make a MMORPG, at least not how they claim they want to make them, such as Elyria. Although, in some cases, I fear that indie is just trying to make a few good games to sell-out, like Risk of Rain creators seem to have done.

@matbroomfield

Жыл бұрын

@@RoseKindred Definitely getting worse. Trouble is, the second an indie studio makes a great game, the big studios come around like piranhas to buy them out. Other problem is, indies fall into the same trap of being over ambitious. NOt every MMORPG needs a billion square miles of terrain and a trillion enemy types. I blame Skyrim for starting the trend even though it isn't an mmorpg.

this reminds me of 2015-16 gold rush of kickstarter mmos gald to see the standards have gone down considerably

This kind of practice flourishes because people get excited over an idea (not a released game, but an idea) and they gladly put down their money in the hopes that the mmorpg will be made. Some scammer posing as a mmorpg dev will capitalise on this in order to get rich from donations with carefully crafted conditions to ensure that they can never be successfully sued in court when the game doesn't get made.

I would love to see someone crowd fund a very modest MMO devoid of any grand promises. With realistic exceptions. Not because I want to play it, more so because I want to see if people would still fund it without the lies.

@chadschmaltz9790

Жыл бұрын

I think one problem is that the people who try to make these crowd-funded MMOs are wanting a WoW sized world with all of the content and features to go with it from day 1.

I like how outer heaven's logo looks nothing like a final fantasy logo

Another morning, another awesome Kira video. Cheers!

Outer Heaven, a name coming from Metal Gear writen in Final Fantasy title style... seems legit.

I agree on the Hero in MMOs comment, it never made sense to me that me...and these other thousands of players are the chosen one, destined to save the world.

Lol the the world of titans title used the same font I used on my very first guild's website back in Dark Age of Camelot. Wow. Really wish I remembered the font name.

"Outer Heaven is a parallel fantasy world to the real one..." Big Boss sure invested in an entirely new marketing department, but not in an editor or logo designer edit: WOW is there not a graphic designer. cohesion is something that happens to other people

7:09 - That _Final Fantasy-lite_ logo is incredible. What if Yoshitaka Amano just *fucking phoned-it-in one day?*

4:07 Got me to tab out of my game to see who was messaging me XD

The first game you said it's familiar, because those are a lot of cheap assets everyone uses, everything you seen are assets, so that is why

3:20 I didn't hear it. I think you can keep the airpurifier on as it's not audible in the first place.

They don't have any original art assets either, these characters are all bought directly from the Unreal marketplace and I sure hope they have a plan in place for building an actual character system of their own, because who wants to play an MMO where you're stuck with completely predefined character models with zero range for gear upgrades or design consistency 🙃

They are just taking the piss now, the HARDEST type of game to make and maintain and kickstarters are treating them like they are every day indie games.

It always funny when I watch one of your videos and you get a discord or steam notification and I'm always thinkings "OH I have a friend?'" and then no it was in the video

"Please fund the cost of server infrastructure of a big MMO for a day"

7:09 Yea i can see where that logo inspiration came from......

5:22 The map was made in Inkarnate, probably free version (which means they shouldn't use it commercially lol)

Time to crowdfund my latest game, "MMORPG Dev Simulator", where you play as a failing MMORPG dev in a world of failing MMORPG devs. Play with your friends in the world's hottest new MMORPG!

Nhance studio it's the first kickstarter all the way though. The second one is also 100% assets for unity.

I love that Kira is uploading so much now! thank you for the entertainment :D

try to make a game - starts with the most expensive game type to create and upkeep, a freaking MMO.

Outer Heavens Logo looks like a Final Fantasy Copy

Hmmm...why big companies like EA , Blizzard, Ubisoft didn't figure out

I was caught of guard with that discord notification

How about a “risky” opinion. What do you think about pantheon?

What could be the reason why these are even an option to give funding to in Kickstarters and why they don't vet and filter the projects better, after a decade of multitudes of such scams and drama.

The last one looked like they used AI Art to display their game. WTF?

4:08 Genuinely confused by the Steam sound.

It’s been a hot minute since I’ve seen a literal WoW clone 😂 really thought I’d never see another.

On one hand there's marketing, speaking to the audience, standard stuff. On the other hand the whole "we're the only ones who are going to bring back the good old stuff and push away the bad new stuff" strikes me as trying too hard to get a certain demographic to hand over money without proving they can do anything. People that'll go "yeah yeah that's so true!" and felt heard, even though it's just a bunch of strangers (likely) pretending to make an MMO

you didn't even talk about the "biggest minecraft MMORPG in the world" ! I am sure this would've totally chanced your mind about the state of Kickstarter MMOs!

Let me guess, a survival MMO, aka "dead after the first month".

Man the scammers must love kickstarter. the font looks like torchlight to me.

Yeah an MMO isn't easy to make, can attest.

check out monsters and memories. i would love to know what you think.

Pantheon Rise of The Scammers is my favorite never ending Scam. 😂

Honestly, brother the air purifier wasn't bothering me. I would rather be inconvenienced for a little bit than to risk your health with that air quality in Bangkok

Callum Upton has a couple videos talking about the theft of Titan Reach. Pretty funny stuff.

With how many MMO scams are out there we could probably compile like 10% of the stolen funds and fully finance and produce a amazing AAA single player game

is there any unreal engine mmo rpg that was released?

Legendary Hunters looks adorable, but they can't make it on that budget

gotta love the classic lv1 vs lv100 character shtick.. mobile games man..

*Kickstarter is 95% scams of some sort and the very few 5% of actually becoming something "decent" (using the word decent loosely here) usually get abandoned anyway at some point. There for a scam aswell.* P.S The image in 2:24~ bottom in "Survivalist" is most likely stolen image or if its free to use dunno, but ive seen it in a game like Beneath the mountain for example..

"I took a 3-month car mechanic course, if you give me 5000$ i will build you a Ferrari "

After the star citizen experience it should put anyone off throwing money at a kick-starter game.

i would not give money to an MMO project. Even if the Kickstarter raises enough money and the developers manage to launch the game it doesn't mean it will be online for many years. If you on the other hand give your money to a singleplayer game then you will always have a copy of that game

Outer Heaven is using the Final Fantasy/Square Enix RPG logo style

Notification gang!

MMORPG is the last gaming genre to experiment with, let alone kickstarting it. smh

I need a hero!!!

Just so you know, the 4:00 mark it isn't a steam message for you...

It’s looks like they stole the assets

WHY do people keep giving crowd sourced money to MMORPGs???

@ian_b

Жыл бұрын

Unbridled optimism.

@yaldabaoth2

Жыл бұрын

They might not, it could just be friends&family making it look like there is interest in hope of getting some traction.

We don't need another react youtuber but here you are

100k is one developers salary not even a senior one. How are you going to build this??

I really wish that those people who sincerely want to make their games and not just scam people realise how much work and money goes into making AND maintaining an MMO and instead focus their creativity into other types of games. If you have the creativity, skill and drive to make a game then don't waste it on something out of reach.

Why would anyone fund an MMO today? So many MMO's have come and died before Kickstarter even existed. The market for MMORPs are only so big and is saturated. It would be better to make something smaller, maybe online but not an MMO.

It still amazes me how people with zero gaming experience think they can make an MMO. I'd be much more willing to give a second glance if a studio started with smaller ambitions, get some experience making some singe player games. Build a reputation. Show us you CAN make a game before trying to make one of the most complex types of games.

I think my MMORPG will be the one! :D

I'm waiting for a Streets Of Rage MMO 👌

@kirareacts

Жыл бұрын

Nostalgia, streets of rage and golden axe my actual childhood

@BMoser-bv6kn

Жыл бұрын

Dungeon Fighter Online is as close as you're gonna get >:(

These mmos are gonna be a hit, they just a few more dollars and then theyll POP OFF

I think your series kind of obsolete when you realize these innumerable games that don't even get to alpha stage is nothing but a few hours work for completely unregulated & unfettered money laundering.

Oh god, another one. Hey I played pathfinder online.

Last one clearly stole from Happy Wars

You would literally get more out of using your money as toilet paper.

MMOs are doomed. There will never be an MMO that sates everyone, but people will always seek one. Thus, people who are a little less clever than they think they are go about attempting to make a better MMO than the last guy who tried even though the last guy mighta had 100x the funding for some reason they still have confidence. The cycle then continues as more ppl who havent found their "one true" MMO go looking on pathetic sites like this to find the MMO of their dreams. Zero chance a new dev will ever make the MMO of your dreams. If you pay them and they inevitably fail, you deserve to lose your money, hear that.

Modern Mmo takes ca 15m minimum to get it going for indie style. Do they even know the scale of what mmo actually is.

Somebody please just remake and remaster the original command and conquer 😊

Just a new version of Pokémon Go

Why do so many MMOs have these generic crap names?

all those Rival of Dreadnaught images are A.I generated, lol.

Scammers gonna scam.

if you want an mmo where you're not the main character, play neverwinter nights persistent world servers.

Nice to see you back Kira. Keep up the good work but look after youself.

wasnt archage studios some kinda scammer that tried to steal a game from a publisher ?

Oh, it was your purifier! That was the noise! Man, now you just make me feel bad. Please turn it on, I don't want you breathing bad air lmao. I'm genuinely sorry lol And you missed on MMORPG that raised millions on KS but did release: Chronicles of Elyria. That's right. I actually have the finished game right here in my hand now, on a DVD. But Caspian told me not to show anything yet. He needs to finish Kingdoms of Elyria. That's a bonus diskette.

Bangkok? I thought you moved to Canada?

@kirareacts

Жыл бұрын

No

@tiberazur3

Жыл бұрын

Why did you move there if I may ask. Are you proficent in chinese/mandarin?

@kirareacts

Жыл бұрын

They speak thai in thailand, no need for mandarin lol

And all these Kickstarter MMOs are probably not going to launch lol

I still mis TERA