11:30 let me stop you right here. I’ve read the press release as well and they do mention the fact that the e motor puts out 50 ps sustained and peak power is 95 ps. It is under the table with the technical specifications. If you would have read this press release carefully you would have seen this, but no, you chose to brush over this fact and decided to put another click bait video out to bash McLaren. Well done, James, well done.

@75KoDe

3 жыл бұрын

From the official press release 1 Power is 95PS (70kW) transient and 50PS (37kW) sustained (4.6 kW/Kg). Peak torque utilised is 225Nm. Torque distribution from the V6 internal combustion engine and the E-motor is managed to optimise powertrain driveability characteristics, not simultaneously at maximum - hence 720Nm overall.

@JayEmmOnCars

3 жыл бұрын

You are correct and I will pin this comment to draw attention to it. The mention of it is made below the table, I had expected it to be in the table. What they do not mention in the release is the duration of full power, or the time to "recover". EDIT. The offending segment is going to be edited out of the video, but I will leave this comment as a marker.

@geraint8989

3 жыл бұрын

In any case, the principle stands. You should put the baseline figure up in lights and say "by the way, it's even better under x conditions". Not put 'sometimes' figures in the headline with caveats and small print saying "well, not really".

@nelsonclub7722

3 жыл бұрын

@@JayEmmOnCars Good on you James - is it still true to say that in the rush to be the best, the biggest, the fastest, the mostest whateverist no-one cares more than all those people who will probably never even see one let alone own one?

@QwikAdDotCom

3 жыл бұрын

The question is have the McLaren team thought of some of the points you're discussing in the video? I doubt they have.

75,000 miles warranty is A LOT. Ford UK gives 3yrs/60k warranty for some easy and cheap to fix Fiesta. Good job McLaren!

@Hypersonik

3 жыл бұрын

Now long do you think it will take most McLaren owners to get to 75k miles? And is the warranty transferrable between owners? Is the warranty void if you take it on a track day?

@8draco8

3 жыл бұрын

@@Hypersonik that depends. When I was living in UK there was quite a few expensive cars on the roads, it wasn't unusual to see McLaren, Ferrari, Bentley etc. so people in UK are actually driving those cars. As for transferability of warranty, I don't know. I'm not sure about tracking that car either, from what I heard they forbidden taking those cars unless it's event organized by McLaren but I could be very wrong about this

@rhettharris2520

3 жыл бұрын

@@8draco8 Artura Daily, if you will.

@johnmitchell2269

3 жыл бұрын

Ferrari do 7 year warranty (of servicing)

@Dockhead

3 жыл бұрын

thing is how much does a fiesta cost?

Jay, I for 1 totally agree with you... I know McLaren from the inside... I know facts about the attitude they have ... from the board to the build shop . All your comments are valid & accurate. Great channel BTW.

After 15 seconds in the Artura you're going fast enough already.

The two people I wanted to hear speak on the McLaren Artura: 1.) Frank Stephenson 2.) JayEmm on Cars Halfway there. Thanks, man. 👍 EDIT: After hearing some of McLaren’s claims as outlined in this video, I want to hear Engineering Explained’s thoughts too...

@AriesUmbra

3 жыл бұрын

add harry metcalfe to that list

Your videos are pushing McLaren to the best.

@LarsAgerbk

3 жыл бұрын

or over the edge

Let’s hope this is the rebirth McLaren Automotive customers deserve,It sounds like a lot of issues have been addressed.

@benkrapf

3 жыл бұрын

Behind The Glass just did an episode concerning this.

I want to like McLaren, I want to desire a McLaren, but when I learned that they void their extended warranty in the US for so much as doing a track day.... I just don’t see the point.

@aaryeshg.6526

3 жыл бұрын

.....the only McLaren I desire to own is the Mercedes SLR tbh. 🙅‍♂️

@bmx687

3 жыл бұрын

Aren't all warranties voided via track days?

@michaelw6277

3 жыл бұрын

@@bmx687 it depends on the company, but most will honor the warranty as long as the car wasn't obviously abused. Porsche, for example, will perform reasonable repairs like if the transmission or engine explodes and you treated and maintained the car within it's expected use. But if you burn up something like a wheel bearing, you might be on the hook as that's an expected wear item under hard conditions.

@michaelw6277

3 жыл бұрын

@@bmx687 another example I know of... Ford, for example, will warranty Mustangs of GT or greater trim level with track use as long as, again, it's not obviously abused. So if you money shift it, you're out of luck. But if the engine explodes during normal operation, you're good. Also note that as far as I know every single manufacturer has a "no racing" clause in their warranty. So if you enter your car in a competition event, like time attack, you're out of luck.

@WestCoastSupercarsandClassics

3 жыл бұрын

@@bmx687 Hehe not even close. My GT3 blew an oil cooler seal ON THE TRACK, and was flat bedded directly to the Porsche dealer which did the service under warranty.. I've even got a video on my channel about it.

Warranty is a good thing... if customer service has changed. Otherwise, anytime anyone actually tries to claim they will likely accuse the owner of misuse. And if one claims a second time, "maybe you aren't really a McLaren customer"...

8/10 shirt. A nice naval setting; For some dream car vetting.

In regards to your last point about not seeing McLarens out and about, here in Sevenoaks I see them all the time

@BenB91

3 жыл бұрын

@Adam Balding I live near Sevenoaks. Not aware of any mclaren factory nearby. There is a service centre though.

@Tigermoto

3 жыл бұрын

I work near Wilmslow, Alderley edge, etc in Cheshire... They're the VW Golf of the area... I've seen so many 720S they don't seem special any more...

When you said the GT I thought you meant the 570 GT, then I realized how much I've already forgotten about the GT! 😅

From a practical stand point it depends on how quickly it recovers back to the peak power mode. If it can be back at peak power quickly enough you wouldn't really notice any drop off

the Mclaren GT seems to be its most successful in germany. I live in Munich and saw 3 in the last year, which is more than 720S here

@darrenbradley1506

3 жыл бұрын

They are also fairly common to see in my part of the world, too (San Diego)... There are several in my neighborhood, and I even saw two driving around in one day last week - both privately owned.

Leave it mate. Your McLaren nitpicking is weakening your channel. Drive it, review it then your opinion will be more respected. Otherwise a brilliant channel with honest reviews.

@naranjalorange8584

3 жыл бұрын

Very well said.

@blarkdexture8899

3 жыл бұрын

Yes

I think they will keep V8 for 720 replacement and Hyper cars.

The LaFerrari was another car that claimed to have 950 Hp, however it was for only short bursts from the electric motor also. In reality it was a 789 hp car for alot of the time as far as I understand.

@devandrasimanjuntak1646

3 жыл бұрын

I’m curious now, do the other holy trinity cars work like this?

@dylanh1978

3 жыл бұрын

@@devandrasimanjuntak1646 Not sure about the P1 and 918, I've only heard of the LaFerrari working in this way.

@MrPagnu

3 жыл бұрын

SF90 the same , even worse because e motors shut off at 140 km/h

@JayEmmOnCars

3 жыл бұрын

No the front motors of SF90 shut off at speed, however the rear motor then ups the power it provides to total peak does not change (is my understanding)

@projectr2451

3 жыл бұрын

This comment could not be more false.... There are videos of the LaFerrari having it’s full power at speeds way past 200mph (322km/h). In fact, it did 231mph (372km/h) on the Autobahn before the electric power depleted.

the same hp question already happened on a golf gti (clubsport I think) that always made 260 hp and then, in overboost (for 15 seconds), made 290 and VW marketed it as being an 290 hp golf gti

Have you ever used 670ps for more than 15 seconds in a car like this ! The 15 sec limit comes from the Battery not the motor. A small battery cannot deliver 94ps continuous. This is true of all hybrids with small batteries/large motors. In the real world it will deliver 670ps when you plant the throttle.

@WeirdBrick

3 жыл бұрын

He really is just picking at them! Clearest sign yet! You could say the same about every hybrid so far! Definitely the p1, 918 and la Ferrari l.

All HP numbers are really just peak HP. Anyone that has tuned a car or seen a HP graph knows this...

@ImBarryScottCSS

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly. It doesn't have 680 or 640 available most of the time. It probably has about 400 available most of the time how most people drive.

@donaldsinclair4962

3 жыл бұрын

Not with an e-motor filling in gaps in power/torque curve though

@MrChrismcquillan

3 жыл бұрын

Late to the party with this video but I was looking through the comments to see if anyone had made this point. Thank you! No combustion engine is producing the quoted HP figure 100% of the time the throttle is pressed. I think it’s really harsh to call McLaren out for this.

Great analysis as always

James im glad you tell it like it is and i hope Mclaren is listening. I love my 570GT but the little problems here and there get annoying. Im hoping Artura is a big step forward in the reliability department.

Wait until that car goes on the dyno then see how the artura pushes 710hp. McLaren always downplays their numbers.

@naranjalorange8584

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly. Well said.

I was thinking exactly last week what you saying with why they did the GT , Mever made sense at all

Im sorry but in the statement read it has the equivilent of downforce. So its much more stable under breaking and trailing throttle. There is nothing confusing about that. I love how deep you have gone into this but it feels like you have been clutching at straws trying to pick holes. They have also stated they will be making less cars and better quality control also. They have done a fantastic job with covering most bases many customers have had problems with. I think they should be applauded.

@JayEmmOnCars

3 жыл бұрын

I think they get applause in this video for their commitment to customer service and warranty concerns.

McLaren "Arthur". Never mind the bollocks, it's definitely a bloody Arthur. 🤣😂🤣

I live in Mexico, although originally from England can’t wait to receive my car in April 2023. Great video..Thanks for info.

Artura - the Arthur 😂😂 too funny... reminds me the Alfa “Tonale” the toe...nail... haha sounds like Macca are still trying to figure out what they want to be when they grow up.

@makk2042

3 жыл бұрын

Have to admit it sounds better than cayenee.

The Artura is really cheap in the Netherlands because of emissions. I love how stupid our country is and how it works. Aston Martin V8 Vantage (€ 211.000) McLaren Artura (€ 235.500) Lamborghini Huracán LP580-2 (€ 247.221) Audi R8 V10 quattro (€ 235.860) McLaren GT (252.065)

@alvaro1728

3 жыл бұрын

So you're complaining about the Artura being cheaper because your country likes that it doesn't harm the environment as much as the others?

@iaintdonknow

3 жыл бұрын

@@alvaro1728 No, nothing against the car sorry! I think it is really weird how only the change from V8 to V6 can mean such a difference in costs in our country. We pay like 60k in taxes over a Mustang GT last time I checked, but cars like the SF90 and Artura probably only cost like 30k in taxes. Got to admit I think it works, but really dislike it. This new hybrid trend does work in our country tho! (So nothing against the car)

@alvaro1728

3 жыл бұрын

@@iaintdonknow no worries. They're using taxes to keep people away from gas guzzlers. The difference does seem dramatic.

@comeberza

3 жыл бұрын

@@alvaro1728 no, they are not. a lot of mild hybrids drink gas as if it was free, and the taxes reduction still applies in many places.

@iSkully99

3 жыл бұрын

I wonder how much they’re gonna sell in the Netherlands, I live there and I don’t ever see McLarens driving around.

1. That new rocker system for the modes looks like something from an old Citroen 2. The Fiesta ST Mk7 had 180 HP which would over-boost to something like 212HP for 15 seconds, (except for the st200 special edition that did 212 all the time) and it was always marketed/known as the ST180

Good observations..... I’d suggest the single and easiest lever to pull to enhance Macca residual value is to extend the current 3 year warranty to 5 thereby boosting confidence in second / third user market....

@mackie1001

3 жыл бұрын

My guess is an engineer said "it feels as stable as a 570s would be with hundreds of kilos of downforce" and a marketing person ran with that a bit too far

I really like this new Autura. The lease deals are great on the GT in the USA.

@tashwinbailey2383

3 жыл бұрын

This is why Mclaren released the car so late because the U.S is basically the target market. People over in U.k just bash the brand and only discuss the negatives irrespective of the fact that they hardly drive the car outside london city and have shit driving roads.

Great vid ~ the shirt?

Thanks!

14:00 Maybe (just an hypothesis) They improved the rear ride height consistency and this could affect the diffuser efficiency ?

I really like everything about the car, the only criticism I have is that I was expecting you'd get more out of the battery rather than just torque fill. I'd like to know more about the battery tech they've used, how it ranks up to the competitors like Rimac/Porsche, Ferrari, Lamborghini (and even Tesla with the Roadster which fingers crossed will start production in 2022).

@dominicwalsh2393

3 жыл бұрын

There's a rumour they're using BMW batteries

Really enjoying your videos 👍 Re the interior, I just assumed they did trims so that you had to go MSO for truly bespoke ?

@aaryeshg.6526

3 жыл бұрын

I'm assuming they have those trim levels so people that don't want to spend time to spec the car to their desire and _just buy the car_ in standard trim. It's also so it is easier to sell the car a year or so later with original standard trims Bespoke cars have a limited appeal but they leave it as an option should you desire to.

Love the look of the car and hope the build quality and reliability are good . The new warranty is a great step forward. Always supported the F1 team So great to see a British super car company competing at the highest level.

I understand your point, but this is true of many electric traction motors. Their continuous rating (for a typical permanent magnet machine) is usually about half the peak power rating, as is the case here. However, it's incorrect to assume that after 15s the peak power drops to the continuous rating. Instead, it'll be a gradual reduction of power in line with the temperature limits/thermal control model in the software. This is tested and calibrated to give the peak power as much of the time as possible - exactly as the thermal de-rate strategy of turbocharged cars is too. I suspect that the hybrid control strategy will be heavily optimised to ensure that maximum e-motor power is available as often as possible during a "hot lap". In normal driving modes you might want to maximise regenerative braking for maximum efficiency - but this also heats the motor up. So a trick (used by some OEMs) is to reduce regen braking in a performance/race mode, which gives the e-motor more time to recover in-between bursts of tractive power. I don't know whether McLaren have done that here though.

About the v6 working so hard, the 765lt has 188.75 hp per liter, and the artura will have 190 hp per liter so it lines up

The same could be said about the Laferrari, P1, SF90, 918 regarding the power! Also where are you going full throttle for longer than 15 secs in a McLaren other than the Autobahns? You’ll be doing 170mph! The battery soon recharges so on a track you’ll get full power all the time!

@mackie1001

3 жыл бұрын

True enough - a 918 will run out of juice on a single 'ring lap and you're left with a heavy car with 600bhp. On the road and on most tracks you'd never notice though.

I like the way Porsche manage the numbers of their cars and improve the residual values. Each dealer has a limited allocation of build slots for a model and if you want to buy one you get in quick with no discount or they’ll will happily let you leave as they know someone else will come along and take the slot. If the product is good, people will buy it and wait if they have to.

Nice and deep video James👍👍👌

This is definitely not a clickbait title lol, it's very straightforward in fact!

Amazing Stuff

I’m no suspension expert either but I think it is possible that if the rear suspension is tweaked appropriately that it can give additional stability that keeps the car planted under conditions its predecessor fell short. Stating this is equivalent to hundreds of kilos of additional downforce therefore makes some sense bc the car itself has less overall under/oversteer, which additional downforce would also do.

I still desperately want one, just a shame i'm poor, anyway fingers crossed lottery tonight!!!

15:17 rocker switches. Citroen CX had those for indicators, windscreen wipers, lights, horn. As with most things on a CX, for the first 10 minutes you'll hate it, but after 10 miles you start to wish all cars were like that.

It's quite obvious you don't like McLaren isn't it fella ! Don't see the problem with the quoted power output & the V6 motor is there for there entry supercar leaving the V8 for the full on supercars ! Just saying .

Not quite sure they make good cars with their eyes shut. It takes a lot of dedication, hard work, testing, tuning, all-nighters, and passion to make amazing cars. The fact the U.K. has so many car enthusiasts certainly helps.

Very interesting James Can you do a Episode on Jaguar cancelling the new electric XJ after investment and development has been done -and also looks like at the -J type its going the same way ????????

A good balanced video.For those of you who missed it he did say all of positives and there were a lot.Indeed the negatives were valid and were more advice of how to produce a better experience.Now that to me shows he wants them to succeed for sure.

@JayEmmOnCars

3 жыл бұрын

Thankyou Andy, I'm glad somebody saw that I tried to make it a balanced vid!

Am I the only one who loves the rockers on the dash so you don't have to take your hands off the wheel.

I hope McLaren do well with this car. The reliability issues with previous McLarens seem to not just be the failure rates but compounded by being designed in such a way that faults where not easy to rectify when they occurred (e.g. treating the entire gearbox as a disposable unit 🤦‍♂️.) I appreciate though that designing a road car is far higher in difficulty than a race car because you have to relentlessly pursue reliability through exhaustive testing to the point of failure, redesigning and starting again. People who haven't worked in car manufacturing cannot appreciate that quality needs to be built in at every stage, it is a gruelling and relentless challenge to build a road car. You don't appreciate how much time invested into even a simple question like "how can we engineer this car so the brake pads/lamps/undertray etc. can be changed in less time and lower cost than any rival?" If you make a mistake or take a short cut there will be nowhere to hide when things go wrong. Customers expect all cars they buy, particularly expensive ones, to be akin to a Toyota and Honda. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Btw the GT doesn't have the fancy suspension of the Super series, its a a more conventional system like in the 570.

another sit down and chat video... love these so much and hope to see many more 🤝😍

I doubt there is any racetrack in the world where you can nail a 680bhp supercar for 15 seconds straight including the ring

@ApothecaryTerry

3 жыл бұрын

Just looking at F1 tracks (easier to get the data), a bunch of circuits have >1km straights. You'd have to average 150mph to do that in 15s. A fair number have 1.2km which means you'd need to average 180mph. Doesn't account for braking zones so take 100m off and it's still 165mph average, so yes there are definitely tracks where you can be at full throttle for that long. The 'Ring doesn't really have long straights on the BTG lap, full lap has 2km (2.5 counting a full throttle kink) but there are long sections at full throttle. What matters though is regen time. If you only use 3s per straight, you have 5 straights of power if it doesn't recharge. It doesn't use braking regen so can it recharge quickly enough to regain that 3s in each corner?

The st180 makes 197 on over boost however has to be marketed as 180 in the U.K. standard because it’s not permanent. As I understand it

One better thing about the GT is it's V8 has the same firing as a P1, not the 720S, so the Novitec McLaren GT sounds the best of any current McLaren. The replacement for the 720S could have the GT's 4L V8 + hybridization for 800PS.

I assume on the rear suspension point, the redesign adds as much high speed stability as extra downforce would have. It's clumsy wording.

​ @JayEmm on Cars it's also worth mentioning that you relate full power to full throttle a lot. They're not the same thing. The proportion of time during which any car is making full power is relative to when the engine makes it's maximum output which isn't relative to when you mash the throttle to the floor. In reality I doubt anyone this side of a test driver would notice this.

@JayEmmOnCars

3 жыл бұрын

However an electric motor can ALWAYS make full power - so it missing 50hp would mean 50hp missing through the entire rev range

@dansutherland70

3 жыл бұрын

@@JayEmmOnCars I know what you mean, but you said "CAN" and I think that's the point here, McLaren or not, cars don't give you full power. it's more like: "there's a ICE motor and a BE motor. Together they are capable of 671hp. You'll only get that if your foot is in the right place, the wheels are pointing the right way, and the TC says you can have it" that's true for any modern over powered performance car (and why your 550 will be so much more involving to drive and satisfying to get right) modern Ferrari's cut the power if the wheels aren't dead straight, and you certainly don't get the full beans from a pista in anything less than TC off.

The 4 liter V8 in previous and current models is a gem; I love it BUT my word does it drink; like seriously a lot !!! This had to be the way forward IMHO

@cestmoi7829

3 жыл бұрын

@DriverandtheKid it is impossible to resist pushing the 720s hard; this Kim Basinger 19080s - irresistible ☺️

@brentpowell7889

3 жыл бұрын

I am McLaren owner and could careless about mpg, if it ain’t low you ain’t trying 👍

It drops power after 15 seconds of full throttle. Given that the car apparently does 0-125mph in 8 seconds - how often is anyone going to be driving for 15 whole seconds of full throttle? Even on a track day or a drag strip you will never get to 15 seconds of full throttle before you have to slow down. Its peak power output is 671bhp, I don't really think this is lying. Ford did the same thing with their "overboost" on their ST/RS models, claimed power output decreased after 15 secs of full throttle. Even in my Fiesta ST I'd rarely be able to go 15 seconds full throttle without changing gear. Only when going 110+ in top gear. So it seems even less relevant in a car with 3x the power.

@JayEmmOnCars

3 жыл бұрын

My issue is more McLaren don't mention this anywhere in their literature. You are right 15 seconds should be enough- but is it reset as soon as you lift, or do you have to wait a minute?

@kylem324

3 жыл бұрын

@@JayEmmOnCars it’s possible that the peak hp won’t change after the 15 seconds. The way that powerbands for ICE and electric motors differ often means that you can’t add together their peak numbers. Manufacturers often claim peak combined power numbers. No idea if that’s what McLaren have done here.

I really like the evolved look. It's a pretty thing. The V6 will probably sound better than the V8 too. Yes, let's call it "The Arthur" Thats gotta stick.

About the rear suspension... I think what McLaren wanted to say at first was "This suspension layout is engineered as such to maintain maximum tyre contact patch to the asphalt, helping the car to generate grip equivalent of hundreds of kilos of downforce from if a rear wing is fitted." But that would be an absolute handful. But then they botched the wording again.

Just saw one out on local dual carriageway 😜 it was following a GT ( the metallic red one that seems to be standard press car)... I live about 20 miles from Woking ( and own 570 Spider, so know the difference in body style) 🤓

Get the confusing point about power However the strength of a hybrid is the torque which is instant and that’s the real benefit on the road And of course for the Co2 emissions game

The V6 is absolutely what they needed. Why put a detuned V8 in the lower spec cars over a highly tuned V6 that has a better P/W ratio? The criticism of McLaren is that all their cars are too alike. Carbon tub, V8, with a different body. The GT should have been front mid engine, Ferrari are not shy of doing them.

A new McLaren video? Do I watch now, or wait to the evening and watch it whilst tucking into some popcorn? Popcorn at lunch time would be crazy. Edit: I compromised, watch now while having lunch and a packet of crisps.

@ImBarryScottCSS

3 жыл бұрын

Dis gon b gud

I'd like to see you do a dedicated video on the GT to expand on your comments about that model. When that car was announced, I thought it would be the McLaren for me. McLaren even loaned me one, and I was sure I would love it. But I couldn't get past the awkward design (nose too high, rear too long, side intakes too wide), and then I drove a 570GT and realized that did everything I needed for less money, was prettier, and was also more fun to drive. So I bought one of those instead. BTW, I hope they come out with an ArturoGT model... Although I doubt they will.

I think the issue with the suspension on the website is wholey some marketing drone who doesn't know what they're talking about as usual.

@JayEmmOnCars

3 жыл бұрын

That is almost certainly the case

I am no expert, but I think what they mean when they say the suspension has an improvement equivalent to 100s of kilos of down force is that the stability of the rear end has been improved in a way that equates to the equivalent of adding a big wing to the back that generates 100s of kilos of down force, therefore, making the rear end more planted and predictable. Kind of like how front suspension geometry can mean the difference between understeer, oversteer and balanced steering. It feels more planted and stable with more grip and turbines as if there were additional weight siding the front tires... weight from down force.

Elva and Senna aside, I suspect putting a proper name on the Artura is a strategem to escape power output comparisons with the alphanumeric model designations and their ICE-only powertrains. I also think Artura is the start of McLaren pivoting into electric power in a massive way, and the equipment spec mess between models will be temporary. Although I do agree that Artura could have been positioned better. I see the platform evolving with V6 output staying relatively stable and the electric output increasing. In three years, maybe two, it is very possible that McLaren's next halo car will be pure electric, if only because things like Evija exist, but mainly because the entire industry is set to completely abandon petrol over the next 15 years.

Hey Jay I believe the GT doesn’t have the same system as 720 but a more advanced version of the 570 system. However they have introduced confusion by calling it the “Proactive Damping Control suspension system” which is mightily close to the system on the 720 with the “Proactive Chassis Control”.

@JayEmmOnCars

3 жыл бұрын

That is confusing, especially as press releases said it's "the system from the 720S"

I had my battery die on an old A3 etron. Luckily was in the 10 year battery warranty or would have cost 15k to replace. The car was 7 years old, so this would put me off getting any hybrid in the future. Especially a mclaren with only 6 year battery warranty. I'll be sticking to ICE until full electric cars have been more established.

overall! if Mclaren have ditched the previous generation model game, I'd forget about the GT & where it falls with the 'Arthur' that goes with everything suspension, engine spec, power etc.. maybe this new suspension is massively more improved over the GT clearly getting rid of the massive amounts of hydraulics in the car has help reduce weight by some-what! I'm just curious to see the next 720/765 replacement "even though the 765 has only recently came out" & topping that what if any a new super-series ie P1 replacement is going to be, however.. I'll not be shocked to see that P1 replacement prior to a 765 update. anyway, hopefully Mclaren have now learned there lessons & get things right, service, build quality etc.. performance & handling they certainly have "only time will tell!" now "where's that euro ticket for tonight!"

I really like the look of the GT. Will be watching prices in the future.

@Sean-if7rp

3 жыл бұрын

Tremendous looks

@weallfollowmanutd

3 жыл бұрын

Can't tell the difference between all of them. They all look generic McLaren.

Interesting. May also have some tax implications in certain jurisdictions which have additional tax on hp.

I honestly think you're clutching on this one James. To say "it's not always making that power" can be said of ANY car. Your s2000 is a perfect example or any turbo car. Also if you are going belive mclaren power figures bigger fool you they have always made more than marketed haven't they? And if you're going to be on full chat for longer than 15 seconds you're doing well. However agree 100% on the suspension guff

@JayEmmOnCars

3 жыл бұрын

I think I made it fairly clear that in the real world it isnt a concern, but it is very different to a normal car. Hold my S2000 on a dyno for a minute and it should still make the same power (all being equal etc etc)

Another enjoyable video. Have to say I completely disagree re the HP claims though, why would you want to undersell the car with the headline figure? It would be like Bugatti saying the Chiron’s top speed was 231mph on release (but you can go faster if you put a key in)

As a HIFI lover James ,what's your thoughts on the whole industry quoting peak power, which in reality is a max for a nano second before it blows something and would sound horrible running at the quoted peak power ?

@JayEmmOnCars

3 жыл бұрын

Wattage in hifi seems so arbitrary, I have heard 20wpc systems which sound amazing

My first impression was that it's underwhelming... Porsche did the 918 Spyder 8 years ago already, with more power and probably better performance. The battery is very small, and the electric motor isn't very powerful either... they did manage to keep weight down, so that's a step in the right direction, but still....

Why would you offer a discount when there is an option list you can add in at no extra charge?

Keep going as you are, always come across neutral and only say from your experience, no bull! 👍

Jay ive been following the videos for a while and they are superb.. Regarding McLaren you really do hate the product and i think it is hilarious 😂 10/10 will watch again

I wonder how long after the 15s the electric motor gives full power again

@WeirdBrick

3 жыл бұрын

Not long! On a track you won’t run out!

@JayEmmOnCars

3 жыл бұрын

Interesting to note that they do not have brake regeneration on the car though - so I'm not sure what methods they'll use to get power back in hot lap scenarios

@nattcharles

3 жыл бұрын

@@JayEmmOnCars The electric motor itself is regenerative according to their head of electric drive technology. facebook.com/mclarenautomotive/videos/mclaren-artura/1137565186665026/

@simons4474

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah it's uses engine power when the engine is not using all its power accelerating so not ruin brake feel by using brake regen.

5 year warranty is an absolute game changer, and they should have done free servicing during that period too, to directly challenge Ferrari. That would make the first 5 years effectively risk-free and the buyers will be able to buy them purely on the performance and handling; two areas where they have never struggled.

@JayEmmOnCars

3 жыл бұрын

I believe some dealers will be doing service packs with the car also

@Chrissy-H

3 жыл бұрын

@@JayEmmOnCars but you’ll have to pay for it I expect? If it’s free, winner!

The biggest question in my mind is if the warranty comes from actual confidence in the car's build quality or if it's "Tommy Boy" marketing e.g. "Customer's feel better when the 'warranty' is printed on the box". I suppose it'll help if the repairs are free, but that's still no substitute for the car just not going wrong in the first place.

@JayEmmOnCars

3 жыл бұрын

Only one way to find out

:D well i kinda agree, but with that logic, you can say thats its not even 637 hp, after 15s like 44hp goes away and after some time the battery is dead so another 51hp down :D

I assume the build quality will be good on this car because if it isn't the brands probably finished either with the money spent on warranty repair or no-one buying them

Jay em campaigned for consumer rights and quality control and made McLaren a better car manufacturer. Amazing 😻 Good 😌

I'm very pleased to see McLaren putting their money where their mouth is with the warranty. Honestly, choosing between the Artura and 675LT for the same money isn't a choice. 675LT every time.

Will the warranty cover track use? If not its a little pointless as that is the only place you can properly explore any of the McLarens potential

@Hypersonik

3 жыл бұрын

People buy them to pose and tell other people they have one.

@Hypersonik

3 жыл бұрын

@DriverandtheKid Brill, keeping the warranty for track is a winner no doubt.

Forever to be known as the Arthur!

@MrCyberamp

3 жыл бұрын

Lol I'm going to use this

@acchaladka

3 жыл бұрын

I can’t be the only one thinking of the Dudley Moore character....

Love these videos, but like in the fiesta st, when are you ever WOT for 15 seconds without shifting?

@ImBarryScottCSS

3 жыл бұрын

Track or Autobahn. Basically that's it 🤷‍♂️

@GoldenCroc

3 жыл бұрын

@@ImBarryScottCSS I agree with your point, however, not many tracks will allow for more than 15 seconds of full throttle. And the german authorities I think will take quite a dim view of going above the 330kph the 640hp mode will allow.... Realistically, its a non issue for I dare say almost every potential buyer, except for on the PR front.

@mcgherkinstudios

3 жыл бұрын

@@ImBarryScottCSS To be honest I can’t think of many tracks with a straight that would be more than 15 seconds long at full chat in an Artura.

14:00 What I reason this to mean is that their new suspension is so good and stable that it feels as if the car has lots of downforce. Weird way to word it but it's marketing is all about the flashy headlines.

Regarding better suspension being equivalent to more downforce, I get it. They haven't said it adds downforce, they've said the effect is the same as adding downforce. The whole point of suspension is to keep the wheels in contact with the ground. If it works well, your tyres are going to grip the road better. If it works badly, and the tyres are bouncing around, they're not contributing to grip. That's what downforce does - it forces the wheels onto the road. They probably worked out that they could get over the skittish braking by adding a heap of downforce, but that would have compromised the car in other situations, either because of increased drag, making the front too light, or simply packaging more extreme aero. I can't understand McLaren's history of stockpiling cars; it makes no sense. It might work for Kia, but these are supposed to be special. Anyone shelling out this sort of money on a car is going to want it just right. They want the right (possibly custom) colour, both inside and out, a number of optional extras, etc. One thing they don't want, is an off-the-shelf car. If you buy a bespoke suit, you don't expect to pick it up the same day, and waiting a few months for your personally spec'ed car is expected. I suspect most people who did buy a McLaren, didn't buy the one in the showroom. Although the dealer made a sale, they still have the old one on the floor, and it looks like they aren't selling. If you have to wait for car to be built, you pay full price, but the dealer can offer a tasty discount on the ex-display model to keep their stock ticking over.

IMO the Artua sits in between the 570S and 720S, while the 720S replacement will probably use the 4.0 V8TT with a hybrid setup making close to 1000hp, so that it can compete with the SF90. I think that we will see two group of supercars, ones that are basically hypercars, SF90, 720S replacement (4.0 V8 TT + hybrid), Aventador replacement (V12 + hybrid). The other group being the Artura, Huracan replacement (V10/V8TT + hybrid), MC20, 992 Turbo S and the upcoming V6 TT hybrid from Ferrari, which is going to replace the 458 platform has there entry level mid engine, while the SF90 is the top level.

@JayEmmOnCars

3 жыл бұрын

I think this is a very good prediction

Everyone knows that every McLaren ever made puts out MORE power than rated and here is this fool saying they are lying and it has less. Honestly wish this guy would just give up on slagging off McLaren. It’s getting very old.

@Voidify980Shorts

3 жыл бұрын

Here’s a tip. Don’t watch the video!

@psyren7587

3 жыл бұрын

@@Voidify980Shorts Hopefully nobody will watch it and then this dribble will end...

The GT doesn't get the fancy suspention as far as I know - spec sheet says "Adaptive Damping with Proactive Damping Control" vs the 720 with "Proactive Chassis Control II"

@JayEmmOnCars

3 жыл бұрын

Yes it's all rather confusing - reviews at the time said it is "the suspension from the 720S but retuned" which one would imagine includes the cross linked dampers

@mackie1001

3 жыл бұрын

@@JayEmmOnCars yes, the naming is all a bit too similar - I wouldn't be surprised if those reporting that saw the word "Proactive" and made an assumption.