Great review, really thorough and honest. Well done

@MrTruckTV

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks

@emmittcolten38

2 жыл бұрын

I know im asking randomly but does someone know a way to log back into an instagram account?? I was dumb forgot my login password. I would love any help you can offer me

@jaidenleandro3297

2 жыл бұрын

@Emmitt Colten Instablaster :)

@Denali_Rebel

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrTruckTV I would love to see this review with a 3500 and driving it like a person actually would. Nobody that I know that tows would leave the truck in D driving up or down that hill with 16K pounds behind it.

@demsakawalkinglatetermabor7ion

8 ай бұрын

What kind of mpg are y’all getting? Especially when not towing.

Oh my god! A new vehicle with knobs instead of everything being on the touchscreen! I love it!

@alanj7306

2 жыл бұрын

I’m not a fan of all this new electronic crap either.

@judee00

2 жыл бұрын

Love your comment. If they axed all the BS electronics that aren't needed we would pay a lot less for trucks.

The 10spd would have absolutely helped. Having a smaller gear split would help this engine stay on its torque curve while in the hard pulls. I really hope that trans finds it's way into this truck sooner rather than later.

@slaytanic921

Жыл бұрын

Model year 2024 has entered the chat.

@duramaxadventures5832

11 ай бұрын

finally did.

I can't believe I found you guys like 2 years ago by chance, just searching for videos of fully loaded trucks hauling up long mountain passes. All your videos and series are fun, informative, and awesome!

GM should have kept the 4.10 axle ratio and gave the 6.6 the 10 speed...maybe they could at least offer it as a Max Trailering Package option? I realize not all end users need max towing.

@ripfletching

4 жыл бұрын

truckguyjoe after GM breaking their contract with Ford Ford probably refused to allow them to use their 10 speed in this truck

@JBMuffinman187

4 жыл бұрын

I'd think they'll do it later as "upgrades." We all know all OEM's plan the entire life of this generation fairly well, including incremental upgrades.

@hi-fi3889

4 жыл бұрын

@@ripfletching it's not Ford's transmission. It was a joint venture but word is Ford did more on this, GM did more on the fwd 9 speed. GM doesn't need permission from Ford to us their own transmission

@jasonlarsen3515

4 жыл бұрын

truckguyjoe even a 5.10 gear ratio would not have improved the time.

@truckguyjoe

4 жыл бұрын

@I know you are right, And I just got owned but: the lower the rear axle ratio the higher the tow rating. That's why medium duty trucks with the highest GCWR have the lowest available rear axle ratio. If we are talking 3/4 ton gas pickup trucks...consumers who tow want the 4.10 (lower rear axle) not the 3.73. GM should have kept the lower rear axle mated to the 6 speed auto. The icing on the cake would be a 4.10 with the 10-speed auto...or at the bare minimum give GM the 10-speed mated to the 3.73 in lieu of the 6 speed. We are not talking about fuel mileage here. We are talking max towing and max gross combination weight rating. Look at Ford, RAM, or Chevy Medium online order guide and towing application. The lower the rear end...4.30...4.88...the more they are rated to tow and the higher the GCWR. It's all about the launch...getting the load moving and keeping the engine in the torque curve.

I remember back when 6 speeds was a lot

@pryme2013

4 жыл бұрын

That's not very far back. How about 3 on the tree

@jckdnls9292

4 жыл бұрын

Are we gonna just ignore the fact that you have an effed up haircut ... Jesus effing christ

@angelgjr1999

4 жыл бұрын

My Mustang GT has a 5 speed :)

@freedomisntfree_44

4 жыл бұрын

My Tacoma is 4 speed auto 6 is still a lot to me 😂

@Trident_Euclid

4 жыл бұрын

@@freedomisntfree_44 my father 2005 Yukon has 4 speed automatic too. But it's still get very good fuel mileage for the weight and displacement.

Great review. They pulled 16,000 lbs, UPHILL, at 2 miles ABOVE sea level, with a GAS engine 3/4 ton SRW! The truck did it. I wouldn't complain about those times, speeds, or brake applications. 3/4 ton gassers were rated for 9250# towing just several years ago. I also would never attempt that. Ponder the physics. This is getting silly.

@Thirty-OughtSick

2 жыл бұрын

And they were overweight on pin capacity

@elonmust7470

Жыл бұрын

There's a thing called trailer brakes..

@sharkskin3448

Жыл бұрын

@@elonmust7470 lol. I think I've heard of those.

@elonmust7470

Жыл бұрын

@@sharkskin3448 I used to pull around a 2 axle flatbed with a 1974 f250 with with a 390 that had been gone through back in the 80s. I've had close to 30,000 lbs on that trailer. 1st gear low range, wide open throttle, pulling concrete troughs through the San Luis Obispo hills on the Chimineas Ranch. Point is that loaded flatbed trailer would've shoved the old ford down the first hill it tried to descent without trailer brakes. With trailer brakes you could just engine brake down the hill. I'm not talking about public roads either, steep, very steep stuff. Sometimes that 390 would get hot & start backfiring when at WOT but it never gave up. Some old timer from Bakersfield rebult it with a bunch of Crower stuff. Thing loped like it wasn't a torque motor when it was cold.

@sharkskin3448

Жыл бұрын

@@elonmust7470 public roads are bad places to take chances, tho. I had medium skid steer nearly push my f250 through a downhill 4-way. The trailer was from an equipment rental dealer. I finished my trip VERY carefully, being a late Saturday afternoon. I'm old enough to not trust other people's shit anymore.

Only a Gm would be applauded for the steering wheel and seat being straight inline.

@AmericanSurvival001

4 жыл бұрын

Should be given an Award 1st year in 15 LOL

@rxonmymind8362

4 жыл бұрын

This is new to me. What do you mean by that? Researching trucks am weighing the pros and cons. Thanks.

@theguardian5090

4 жыл бұрын

Rxonmymind GM/Chevy trucks steering wheels are not aligned with the steering column

@0778drz110

4 жыл бұрын

@@rxonmymind8362 The steering wheel on older GM trucks wasn't inline with the seat. It was offset to the right. I don't know if they still do that or when they stopped. It never bothered me on my '97 GMC though...

@dantedanis

4 жыл бұрын

jrhunt414 2017 trucks are still offset not centered

I would love to see you guys get a late 90s Chevy with a 454 and the 8100 vortec and compare them to each other and contemporary vehicles as well

@triple6758

3 жыл бұрын

Make it so!

@Icutmetal

2 жыл бұрын

I’d love to see the same thing, but I predict the results to be underwhelming. I had a 1997 F350 standard cab with a 5-spd manual and 460, and it was a dog. The power was low in the RPM range like you’d expect from a big block, there just wasn’t enough of it, and it drank like a sailor in the process.

@bloodbushcraft2467

2 жыл бұрын

Lol my dad has a 454 c3500 it's certainly not great.

@jakeharris9075

2 жыл бұрын

It’ll move the same weight, trust me I’ve tried. The speed is not even close, the brakes are not even close, and while that 454 won’t fail, something else will

@fabiancastellanos7196

2 жыл бұрын

Te 8.1 is a bit slower but town better, the 7.4 is great and has a little bit more top speed. The block is just the same . Great engines.

Okay that's great great review but what about towing an 8,000 lb trailer because most people never tow a 16,000 lb trailer

This Chevy just towed 16,0000# at high elevations up hill with a small block V8. Sounds like biggest issue was the transmission wouldn't down shift to maintain speed.

@ALMX5DP

4 жыл бұрын

Ray D the gear spacing appeared not ideal for that much weight, grade and elevation. Would love to see GM offer a low cost option to pair this 6.6 with the 10-speed.

@gagt5spd

4 жыл бұрын

it would downshift then accelerate to redline then upshift but it didnt have the power to hold the higher gear and then it wouldnt alow downshift again to save the trans. they should allow the lower gear and have programing in to stop it from getting to redline in that gear and hold say 4500ish or so maybe 5000 rpm in that gear until the grade lessens instead of grabbing the next gear and sitting at 3000rpm and going 25

@rocketj7449

4 жыл бұрын

@@gagt5spd Chevy needs to take a lesson from Ford. The Ford V10 was paired to a 5 speed transmission which, the first 3 gears are close ratio, so the tranny can keep the motor in the power up to 65 mph. Duh Chevy!

@Djonemore

4 жыл бұрын

They should do it again out of rotation for the testing.. using the manual mode maybe it would help

@jerredwayne8401

4 жыл бұрын

That's why you put the transmission in manual mode

This review was very useful for making a personal truck buying decision. Thank you for the accurate and honest evaluation!

only a mother could love that front end and those mirrors

@brandonhensel1301

4 жыл бұрын

mobgma i hate the mirrors only way i would get the current body style is with the 1500 mirrors

@mobgma

4 жыл бұрын

@@brandonhensel1301 agreed. front end is still 50/50

Great content as always! It would be cool to see a comparison of how each truck's score stacks up to the competition at the end of each of these Ike Gauntlet runs

I love the big square industrial look of these trucks

Thank you tfl for bringing it to us first excellent review !!!!

Really looking forward to seeing how that new Ford 7.3 does in the Super Duty with the Tremor package.

Great test. I would like to see the test with a lighter trailer - maybe 10,000lbs. Most people towing over 15,000lbs will choose the diesel.

@paulmiodowski

4 жыл бұрын

Or even 5-7 000 pounds like most people with tow haulers and RV crowd tow.

@mesanders1113

3 жыл бұрын

@@paulmiodowski 5-7k lbs is 1/2 ton territory and most toy hualers are over 7klbs

@jaycevessier7554

3 жыл бұрын

@@paulmiodowski lmfao why would you get a 3/4 ton for a 6k lb trailer?

@adamfrazier4550

3 жыл бұрын

@@jaycevessier7554 payload. 10-15% tongue weight on a 6k trailer, you’re left with very little remaining payload if you get a loaded 1/2 ton, especially if towing shifting live weight (horses).

@jflowers090

3 жыл бұрын

Not true due to diesels being heavier engines... gas engines can hold a higher payload. A lot of times on diesels you can outtow your payload and so the payload actually kills your max towing.

Gasser saves $10k from the un-hackable epa Dmax, so use the extra money for a 50 state legal magnussen supercharger, tow awesome and never worry about DPF or fuel systems again + fill up anywhere.

@inchaoswearereborn9586

4 жыл бұрын

The Dmax will always be hackable. The trick is finding a shop willing to delete and tune the latest model ones.

@jacobg5122

4 жыл бұрын

@@inchaoswearereborn9586 I swear it gets harder every time the GM fun police get a new idea. I've never owned a Chevy (for other reasons) but my friend had a 2004 2500 and then a 2012. His 2004 cost around $600 for a 4" downpipe back exhaust and a custom tuner. The 2012, on the other hand, was around 2k all in. Meanwhile, another friend driving a 2013 6.7 powerstroke spent less than a thousand dollars on his delete and tune.

@GTOGregory

4 жыл бұрын

For tuning on L5P go to Duramax Tuners. Cost is just over 5k.

@AP383BB

4 жыл бұрын

There are already 2020's out their deleted and tuned look it up

@stricklyq5613

4 жыл бұрын

Iam contemplating the same thing just no real world reviews out there yet the strike didn't help supply

Great video! Seeing how this truck was hitting the bump stops so much I would run Timbren load cushions with a Roadmaster active suspension to help control the weight with all the money saved buying a Duramax.

I love the song you guys use during these videos, Trading in my Suns.. ❤

Finally someone who understands air density.. 5:33 he said " we're losing a lot air density, there is about 30% less".. As in " 30% less air" lol.. Great video!

I love your towing tests. Do you ever do Ike gauntlet test with heavy payload? As a truck camper guy it would be great to know how the new crop gas and diesel HD dually trucks handle 5-6000 lb truck campers!

Finally real world reviews great work 👊

Thanks for a good review and hitting the points we care about when hauling. I really like the effort you put into standardized testing and grading. We need more honest evaluations and yours are among the fairest I have found. It would be nice to hear how the heavy duty 4WD dimensions rank, like will full size chains fit the wheel wells, does the truck have ground clearance, etc., but that may be asking too much. Thanks again.

Andre: At this elevation the engine is struggling. Mr. Truck: That's right, and that fake hood scoop isn't giving it any extra air. Landed it.

@mikea.7370

4 жыл бұрын

Totally hit the nail on the head, it used to be just Toyota putting fake hood scoops on their trucks. Disappointed GM is doing the fake scoop thing too

@aaronkellar6583

4 жыл бұрын

the scoops on their HD trucks are functional

@bonerjams0376

4 жыл бұрын

@@aaronkellar6583 Just the diesels.

@jamesnm21

4 жыл бұрын

I'm guessing it's just easier and cheaper for gm to have the same hood for both gas and diesel rather than separate ones? Saves the customer a little money that way and nobody will probably complain about the look on a big tough 3/4 ton pickup.

@bonerjams0376

4 жыл бұрын

@@jamesnm21 Agreed. Even though it's not functional it definitely adds a cool look.

Look fellas it's a heavy duty Aztek

@hessxpress3016

4 жыл бұрын

genuinejesse Ain’t that the truth god awful ugly like that one character from family guy with the upside down head

@Otownbassin

4 жыл бұрын

Penetrator I own one of those 1500’s and I like that HD front more

@IAmProdAG

4 жыл бұрын

Look at his picture guys, it's a Lifted Ford Ranchero

@barrya.6212

4 жыл бұрын

Whatever....that front end is aggressive and cool looking- obviously...

@juanromo7080

4 жыл бұрын

The truck is ugly

You guys always do such good review videos!

I love these test. Keep up the good work. Awesome.

This was a good run up the super ike just as the 2017 Silverado 2500 HD Ext cab did with its super ike run but this new truck is pulling more weight and a different trailer which added a heavier pin wt and more wind resistance the flat bed trailer did not have. The '17 run was done with the 360 hp 380 tq 6.0 V8, 4.10 rear pulling a 13,500 lbs goose neck trailer. Time: 10:22 MPG: 2.3 Brake applications: 13 Noise Decibels: 71 Slowest Speed Observed: 23 MPH This '20 Crew Cab Silverado trucks 401 hp 464 tq 6.6 V8, 3.73 rear was pulling a 16,000 lbs tall horse trailer. Time: 11:53 MPG: 2.4 Brake applications: 10 Noise Decibels: 68.7 Slowest Speed Observed: 25 MPH This new run was pretty good considering that massive wind brake of a trailer and added wt. used in this years testing.

@davidlusk4350

4 жыл бұрын

2017 was the dually correct??

@rlhmarines

4 жыл бұрын

@@davidlusk4350... 2500 3/4 tons trucks are single wheel only.

Andre 2nd to none my friend and adding Mr Truck makes a great combination! Gauntlet action baby!

I think I just like watching you guys stress the heck out of machines!!! Yew!

Now that's a cool camera shot. Maybe that's something you do on all trucks now.

I still cant deal with that front end.

@rxonmymind8362

4 жыл бұрын

Well, if you own a desktop Mac pro it'll match. 😄

@ChuckBeefOG

4 жыл бұрын

I think the half tons look like shit but the hd’s are nice.

@ChuckBeefOG

4 жыл бұрын

TR P have you seen one in person? They look pretty bad ass imo.

@BassRacerx

4 жыл бұрын

I like it

@TheHillbillyhotrod

4 жыл бұрын

@@trp2413 I agree, GM seems to create a monstrosity every few years.🤢

Fantastic review guys 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

Gives you a new respect for how well old Big Green did on that tow test!

The heavyweight haulers need low pressure (5 psi) turbocharged gasoline engine. Plus EXHAUST BRAKE. PLUS AIR BAG REAR SUSPENSION.

really the best truck series on the web!

The more of this channel I watch the more open minded I get about best what is the best truck. I was a brand loyalist, but I can now see myself considering trucks of other brands from my historical favorite.

The video quality is outstanding on this one. Don't know if you changed camera equipment or what, but looking good.

That 2-3 upshift at 5:25 kills it. Locked in 2nd gear would have shaved minutes.

Can’t wait to see 7.3L Ford at work.

@jckdnls9292

4 жыл бұрын

Can't wait to see the chevy 8.4 in the works

@damronwalton3626

4 жыл бұрын

Chevy 8.4 did you where get it info? I know hearing over (gm8.0)

@nathanmcdonald610

4 жыл бұрын

@@jckdnls9292 Rumor is that if that engine even exists its only going to be used in medium duty applications, which also means it'll be de-tuned for longevity and will probably make less power than Fords 7.3L.

@mattmcneely9174

4 жыл бұрын

“In the works” seems to be the only reply from the GM crowd nowadays. With their ancient interiors, it’s amazing Chev sells any trucks...

@mt1885

4 жыл бұрын

@@mattmcneely9174 I want a truck not a Fuuurd ecu-JUNK tin can

Love your channel. After watching this it just made me wonder about an old versus new max payload challenge. Like an old Chevy diesel vs this new one. Regardless great video thank you guys for the hard work!

Good review guys. All Big 3 Mfrs. have good things going for them. Use to have Ram 1500 Bighorn and was completely reliable. Had to say goodbye because suspension was too soft even after upgrading coils and not enough truck with wind gusts and all with our 31 ft. 7000 lbs. Toy hauler and 1060 lbs. tongue weight. With 1500 miles on our new 6.6L gas version Silverado, Unloaded I’ve achieved 16.7 mpg twice now on trips of about 450 miles and A/C on. I have an LT, 17” tires, Z71 Double Can 4x4 for those interested. I’m civil with my pedal. Truck technology is just right for me; don’t need huge screens (8” is good enough).

Install a 410 and call it a day. They purposefully left it at 373. The old 6.0 with 410 is par with this 373 setup

@vicenteochoa6498

3 ай бұрын

Hell no. The old 6.0 was not capable of towing this much. Let’s. It exaggerate here

Would love to see an episode where you went manual and kept the engine in the power band to maintain speed. That’s the only weakness of the vehicle test y’all do.

Easily the best truck channel on KZread

Love the videos!

That truck needs the 10 spd in a big way.

@fastold

4 жыл бұрын

Indeed I am sure they fixed all the issues with it by now for this beast to use

@028943182

4 жыл бұрын

It needs something.

@ChannelZeroOne

4 жыл бұрын

Considering a tradesman will get this truck 10 to 15 years later, the 6 speed is better due to cost to repair. The truck should have came with a 4.10, but that's a cheap easy upgrade most of us can do.

@scarhart53

4 жыл бұрын

No, it needs a 100 speed! Not.

@inchaoswearereborn9586

4 жыл бұрын

The ten speed is an allison. They'll never mate an allison to a gas job again

Thanks for the awesome review! I know you guys at TFL leave the trucks in drive with tow haul on, but for this truck especially it would be awesome if you ran the hill again with the truck in manual in 2nd gear. Just to see how much better the time would be, it would be at redline the whole time but at least it wouldn’t ping pong.

@EngineeringGoneWrong

2 жыл бұрын

Yup. GM shift programing on these just isn't made to run them WOT unless you're in manual. They don't hold gears for max power, it's really setup for comfort/economy evidently.

@duramaxadventures5832

11 ай бұрын

@@EngineeringGoneWrong naw its to protect the trans. even unloaded it doesn't want to 3-2 and tries to death pull from 2500RPM and pings

Glad to see Nathan again!

The mountains always separate the weak and the strong. Excellent test.

Love the new chevy 2500 gas But I love the 6.0. Tough and very reliable engines.

@thomasmatejka7367

3 жыл бұрын

When I buy a 3/4 ton gas truck, I'll probably buy a 2015-2019 Chevy 2500 with the 6.0. Not sure how I feel about this new 6.6 gas motor

Need to do a new towing review side by side of all the new HD gassers! Rams new 8speed on the 6.4. And Chevy and fords new hd gas motors

A simplel durable truck without things that fail. It looks great and is priced competitive but still high for me. To be honest, I find myself saying my next truck moving from half to three qtr, i'm going to get a work truck - simple, affordable, and gets the job done. They kind of nailed my thoughts with this truck. Only one in my way now is CA DMV yearly charges on big trucks.

I would suggest having different benchmarks for Gas and Diesel. Two different animals with different pros and cons. I would also love to see how this thing tows at lower elevations. I live in Texas. I think the performance would be way better down here at 1,00o ft elevation but I would like to know just how much.

4:10 is what you need for better towing ability. 3.73 is what the boss drives around in checking on his minions.

@myfavoritecolorisclear

4 жыл бұрын

I was just thinking contractors truck

@phtevenmolz5030

4 жыл бұрын

Nah. 3.73 gets it done. 4.10 is miserable on the highway and interstate, especially if you're in a diesel. I hated my 4.10. Sure, it got my 17,000lb horse trailer moving, but maintaining 70mph on the highway means you're sucking fuel and making a lot of heat and constant boost pressure.

@KoolCordell

4 жыл бұрын

@@phtevenmolz5030 heat is tied to power output if you are in boost it is beacuse teh power is needed.

@phtevenmolz5030

4 жыл бұрын

@@KoolCordell no it's not. It's called drive pressure and it's dictated by gearing. 4.10 and above is shit on any diesel 3/4 or 1 ton that sees much highway traveling. The lower gearing causes high RPMs, which causes high exhaust pressure in the hot side of your turbo, and very often is the cause of head gasket failures (along with front cover cavitation on some trucks).

@GB-vj4gj

4 жыл бұрын

I got a silverado 2500 hd with 4.10 it is slower but i get better gas mileage then my friend's sierre 2500hd 3.73's

Damn the Ike Gauntlet is a tough test. Not a motor I would go for if I was towing these weights, but as you say the Diesel is 10k more and that's too much of a price increase over the Gas.. Great work guys.

Just for a gas comparison I have the Ford 6.8 V10 ( soon to be replaced by the Godzilla) in my motorhome and have gone up and down this same hill with it. On the way up it’s screaming pretty good and I’m always wishing I had a turbo or something! On the way down, the tow/haul on the Torqshift trans does a great job holding it back. I have to tap the brakes once in awhile but you always feel confident with the situation.

Can't wait for a supercharger kit to come out for these

OK, love the show, I live in CO and tow as well. Your show is getting bigger, so now time to get better. How about another run with you manually shifting? How about 10 miles in some hills and not the steepest tallest mountain most people will hardly drive (but I do like that too!). How about some transmission temps? How about a REAL life test meaning, many of us tow way less, how about about pulling like 9k (simulating a TT) and manually shifting like we do in real life? Lots more info could be put in these videos. Keep up the good work!

@johnjames5020

3 жыл бұрын

Well said.

I don’t agree with changes in the benchmark times and mileage. If manufacturers are going to raise the tow ratings to heavier loads by increasing torque and horsepower as well as frame and suspension mods, the times should stay the same.

Poor 6.6 was begging for help getting started up the hill. But good solid review on tfls part.

Yeah I think the 3.73 is the culprit here. I think you guys tested a 6.0 with a 4.10 before and had a better result. 4.10 would have helped with the down hill potion as well.

Not bad for a gasser 3/4 going up a serious grade with crazy elevation

@MrComputerCoder

4 жыл бұрын

It did the job like GM said it could based off ratings. However going that slow isn't safe. So I'd say it's a fail. It's need more gears and a 4.10 rear end for something like this.

@dedalliance1

4 жыл бұрын

@@MrComputerCoder lol, It's perfectly safe to go that slow. Here in Montana there's a pass that if you're over like 10 tons GVWR you can't go over like 35 mph,especially down hill. Just put your flashers on and sit behind a semi and you'll be just fine.

@jon62ify

4 жыл бұрын

dedalliance1 kids these days don’t understand patience, especially when towing.

I'm waiting for the new 7.3 gas from Ford to go head 2 head against the Chevy gas option. 🇺🇸

@curtis1951

4 жыл бұрын

I'd like to see that too. The only two DNF's they had were Fords. Interested to see if the new engine is any good. I prefer gas engines. I don't tow all the time just occasionally.

@daneh8434

4 жыл бұрын

I'm not a Ford guy but I'm very interested in that new 7.3. Finally Ford went back to a pushrod engine for a HD application. OHC engines have their place but they're not for everything. I am disappointed that GM didn't go larger for their HD gas option.

@curtis1951

4 жыл бұрын

@@daneh8434 Gm trucks have always been about the total package instead of numbers. They've always been competitive and functional despite not having the biggest numbers. I agree with Ford going back to a simpler larger engine. That's how HD engines should be.

@ALMX5DP

4 жыл бұрын

With the 7.3 being paired to the 10-speed, I don’t think it’ll be a contest against this 6.6. I understand GM’s reasoning for keeping the 6, but it showed in this video as being the weak link in ensuring the vehicle was always utilizing the engines power and torque.

@curtis1951

4 жыл бұрын

@@ALMX5DP The number of gears aren't as important as the ratio of gears and the transmission tunning. The gm 6 speed has always been a good tranny. If the ratios are matched to the engine it should be fine. Something seemed off with this truck. It seemed sluggish to shift like they didn't have it tow/haul mode or something. Also gm changed the rear gear ratio witch doesn't help. It used to be 4.10. I am curious to see how the new Ford does.

It would be interesting to see the difference in engine and transmission temps between the gas and diesel trucks on a long grade. Especially at full throttle. I have been up and down Monarch Pass on US50 pulling a fifth wheel and ATV trailer behind several times. (5.9 12 & 24 valve & 6.7 PS)

Funny how the one guy throws his hands up and down like he's chopping wood every time he talks. Just teasing you Andre. Nice review.

Pretty sure I would keep the transmission in manual for grades like this and go for around 4000 max rpm.

@Icutmetal

2 жыл бұрын

Ok

@marylandsportsman4114

2 жыл бұрын

@@Icutmetal yes

@Icutmetal

2 жыл бұрын

@@marylandsportsman4114 Sure

@marylandsportsman4114

2 жыл бұрын

@@Icutmetal ok

@markhoward9355

2 жыл бұрын

One would hope the GM engineers would have set up the TCU to pick the correct gear. Obviously GM did not.

Do you keep a list of all your tests of same year or category? That would be awesome to see/compare all in one view. After soooo many great tests and also different trucks...is there a 'master list' or overall chart we can see how everything compares? Maybe a list of each model and their stats across the line? I'm not sure if you already provide us a link or update after each group of tests, but I can't find or don't know where to search your chart on a link?

Thanks guys. Great vedio. I to live in Colorado. Little disappointed in the time.

you should do an ike gauntlet with older used trucks. like say 2005-2010 2500s for the people that need to tow but cant afford a brand new truck! as a bonus you can compare new trucks to the older trucks to see how the new ones really perform

That 6 speed trans is killing the performance of this truck.

@dragoonTT

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I think we will see the 10 and 8 speeds in the HD line up as standard in the future. Like come on, you buy an HD to tow and haul.

@crazyhass84

4 жыл бұрын

Oh bs. It was screaming up the hill at high rpm. Aka max hp. Nothing extra gears would have done. No power is no power! The gm 10spd has 3 over drives . Good for empty highway driving but useless for towing. So a 10 spd is only a 6 or 6sp when towing

@kirbygoodwin5760

4 жыл бұрын

@Andy Hass If you notice, anytime the engine was over 4,500 RPM it was able to accelerate (not just maintain speed) till it would shift into the next gear (mainly 2nd to 3rd). When it hit 3rd gear it was at 3,600 rpm which is not enough power to hold speed and then it would slow down till it down shifted. Having more gears allows the engine to have more places where it can hit 5,000 RPM and over. The 10-speed would have a gear ratio in between 2nd and 3rd on the 6-speed and allow the truck to rev higher in this gear while going the same speed like over 4,000 rpm at 60 mph not 3,600 rpm in the 6-speed. With a 16,000 lb trailer it’s not just about power, it’s about at what speed (MPH) this power occurs. Exact same reason that a lot of semis have 18 gears. Also, a 10-speed will have a similar top gear ratio as a 6-speed, the 10 does have a wider spread (meaning more lower gears). The 10 speed has 7 gears under overdrive, the 6-speed only has 4.

@crazyhass84

4 жыл бұрын

@@kirbygoodwin5760 agreed. Would be interesting to see.

@aj06bolt12r

4 жыл бұрын

Its not the transmission its the tune. It was upshifting when it had no business to and waiting way too long to downshift again. Hopefully they come out with a software update soon to address that. If they would have put the truck in manual mode and selected an appropriate gear I bet they could shave 1:30 off that time.

This was a test as extreme as the grill is tall. Seriously, who actually tows 16,000 with a gas truck? Nobody is going to ask a gas truck to do that regularly, they will buy the diesel. Not only is that a lot to tow with a gasser but that hill and altitude as well. Stupid grill and hood height but i think the 6.6 6 speed is a great setup for the right buyer. The person who tows often at under 10k lb, or the person who tows up to 16k once a year will be well served by this truck and an extra $10k in their pockets. Only reason to pass on this is if the 7.3 Ford turns out to be great.

@Icutmetal

4 жыл бұрын

You answered your own question; the guy that doesn’t tow extremely heavy on a regular basis.

@MrComputerCoder

4 жыл бұрын

The point is to test the trucks at their maximum ratings to see if they can actually do it and do it well. Otherwise who's keeping the buyers in the know? You're going believe the manufacturer who's trying to sell the truck? You shouldn't. These are good test and represent a very very high level of stress. If you do less you'll do much better. This engine and tranny has a place but it's certainly not this sure, but again people should still be able to know the limits of their $50,000 truck.

@Big.Ron1

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, I agree. For the right buyer this truck could be perfect. And like you I am looking forward to the new Ford 7.3 test.

@ldmtag

4 жыл бұрын

I'm too lazy to make calculations but I think with it's lower MPG it's 10k advantage in value is not that big of a deal.

@darens440

4 жыл бұрын

​@@ldmtag The MPG will be less than a diesel, but add up all the money spent on frequently more expensive diesel fuel, DEF fluid, oil changes, and if anything breaks in that highly complex modern diesel you are out major cash. You have to be towing quite a lot to really save anything.

I bought a 2008 Tahoe, had the cylinder deactivation turned off, removed the cats, had the SUV tuned, installed 22 inch tires and an Eaton Tru Trac Rear End with 4;56 gears..My mileage only went down a few 10ths of a MPG from the 3;42's ..My first pull was another Tahoe on a 2300 pound trailer up two 6 to 7% grades that were around 2 miles long. With around 8000 pounds additional weight it did very well up those grades with just a 4L60 4 speed and a 5.3 with 310,000 miles...😁

Good review per usual. I am curious to know what your tounge weight was with this set up. Also, I think a good video would be towing the same trailer you did a couple years back with the 6.0l to see how much better the new truck is....

@dedalliance1

4 жыл бұрын

Roughly 3,200 pounds.

Towing 3-5 times a week and I climb 3 thousand feet one way, I’d absolutely hate hearing that engine rev that high the whole trip, and my mileage would be garbage. I’ll stick to diesel.

@LedzeppelinDogsGuns

4 жыл бұрын

i see burnt up transmissions and engines in gms future

@buckhenderson1788

4 жыл бұрын

Haha agreed

@MightyThunderbolt

4 жыл бұрын

@@LedzeppelinDogsGuns nah nobody tows with these, half the new trucks dont have a hitch in the receiver

@andyharman3022

4 жыл бұрын

Yep. Jeremy really is the right customer for a diesel. If you two every day, diesel is for you. I haven't seen a heavy duty gas engine yet that can pull a load up a hill without assaulting the senses. Ford's EcoBoost does a great job in the F150. It can pull the Ike at 3500 rpm and not sound like it's screaming for mercy. Somebody needs to make a turbo gasoline engine for heavy duty applications. Naturally aspirated can't do the job at high altitudes.

@carlatamanczyk3891

4 жыл бұрын

You and me both... a high reving gasserr can't be that durable for much heavy towing anyway.... don't quite get what the factory engineers are thinking....

At first I wasn't liking the exterior design. But now I c them on the road, they look sharp as hell

@seanaubin2093

4 жыл бұрын

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Yes vinny the 8 speed is a game changer for ram 2500 has I’ve got the 5.9 diesel in the old body style an with 4.10 gear in the new 2500 has with 8 speed pulls like a champ and the transmission is not busy it’s always in the right gear

Good review, one thought if you are planning or needed to pull that heavy of a load more then a couple times I don't think anyone would good for a truck that is right at the max capability of the truck.

Please when you guys get your hands on the new 2020 Ford 7.3 V8Zilla 10 speed can you guys take it up the Ike Gauntlet I really wanna see that thing work

@robertryan7204

4 жыл бұрын

They will

@andyharman3022

4 жыл бұрын

We're all waiting with bated breath for that.

@er5490

4 жыл бұрын

They just purchased one

My Chevy 2500Hd has a Gas V8 we own a Hotshot Delivery my Dads Ford F350 work truck and my chevy work truck Tows just as good if you Ask me

Love the max tests, but it isn't apples to apples when comparing to the Ram. I'd like to see a test where you have the big three that all have the same exact trailer and tongue weight and same rear axle ratio. The gauntlet with the Chevy and Ford was over 16,000lbs and the Ram was 14K. So it's really a Ford vs Chevy battle. Load up the Chevy and Ford with the trailer weight you put on the Ram and see which performs better.

@notnalc97

Жыл бұрын

A more realistic test with those three would be to have them all tow something like 10,000 pounds. People towing 14,000 or 16,000 pounds will probably buy diesel pickups.

You guys got to get over this squatting thing

I love these videos but for each truck can you please tell us oil temp trans temp and coolant temp in the future that would be nice

@parks71a

4 жыл бұрын

And a manual shifting run and a real world payload run not maxed out

Please test the single cab instead of all of the crew cabs I’d actually like to see what configuration is needed for maximum payload

Hello Andre’ and Mr. Truck! I really like the nice clean look from the side and rear, front end? Looks best with the Custom Package with the monochromatic colors. The chrome front end on the LT an up looks a little busy to me. I’ve been a Chevy man for years, never owned a new Ford. But if I was in the market for a HD/SD, I would have a very hard time to pick one from the big three! More than likely a Ford F-250, 4x4, 7.3 V8. With the Tremor Package.

Love the channel, best tow channel there is however, its time to up your game guys. That test was fine, but lets see a SECOND test where you manually shift the gears, you know, real world application. While your at it, test a REAL world load as well, maybe 10-11k pounds. I dont think it would be that difficult to add these changes and give us a better over all picture. A transmission and engine temp would be nice as well! Keep up the good work and expand your testing please!

Could you do this run with something more akin to what your landscaping or excavation company would run? Reg cab preferred and towing a bobcat or mowers? Like around 10k

I’m glad to hear some are liking the style, but I just don’t get it. I’ve had GM’s, Fords and Ram’s. All great trucks. I’m enjoying the 4th generation Ram Cummins at this time. Great reviews. Keep up the great work!

You will have to walk around one of these trucks to realize how big they actually are. I bought a similar 2020 GMC Sierra and the height of the front of my hood is almost 5' off the ground. I have to use a folding stool in order to check the oil. The oil change tech uses a stool to reach the engine compartment. You need the step built into the rear bumper to climb into the bed.

The Off The Ranch music gets me every time.

Needs the 10 speed... or at least 4:10 gears as a option. 3500HD SRW and DRW come with overload spring pack which would have helped mitigate squat.

@crazyhass84

4 жыл бұрын

True but the truck is rated to pull that weight. So the suspension should be able to handle it. Tfl tests what they get

@SuperCJification

4 жыл бұрын

What I couldn't understand is why there's still so much gap in the wheel well even with it nearly on the bump stops....

I know Ram didn’t perform well in the past, but I really think it will vastly improve with the new 8 speed. I’m not a GM fan but it was truly disappointing to see a new engine in a new truck come out with the same OLD six speed. I’m excited to see these gas truck comparisons with this kind of weight. How about adding the Ford 6.2 to the test also to see how it compares to the new 7.3. Im really considering my next HD purchase to be a gas because the maintenance of these new diesels scare me. I don’t tow often (maybe 10 times a year), but when I do it’s normally around 13-15,000lb.

@KoolCordell

4 жыл бұрын

Ram didnt perform well because it went into a mode designed to save the transmission. Ram limits the amount of time you can be in 1st gear full throttle, after the determined amount of time it holds the gear but limits power and speed to protect the torque converter from ballooning from excessive internal heat.

@TheXOoftheRO

4 жыл бұрын

Yea Ram just has most of the world records and in reality dominates job sites. No biggy

@ReflectedMiles

4 жыл бұрын

"This kind of weight." I'm waiting to see that 35,500 lb. rig that GM says they're best-dressed is capable of--towing up the Ike, but from Grand Junction and multiple times in a row on a really hot day like it's doing material deliveries. That would be entertaining. HD pickup manufacturers have lost their collective minds to their marketing departments.

@LemkeR

4 жыл бұрын

Get a used ram Cummins.

@charleshenson4183

4 жыл бұрын

@@LemkeR Yeah,preferably mine so I can buy a real truck. If anyone wants a loaded 18 ram 2500 4x4 sport megacab,hit me up. I would love to let this pos Cummins go & it's in a color your wives are sure to love,just incase you need to fly it past her for approval. I'm wanting a 2020 superduty crewcab tremor with the 7.3

Loved the review, fair and unbiased!

went from a 1500 5.3vortec to a 2500 duramax that was the best move ive done and i only pull a 6000 pound trailer. the 1500 wasnt cutting it. it even was worse when i ended up getting a set of nitto trailer grapplers 33s on it and boy it struggled bad with the 1500 5.3 engine!!

@nathanmcdonald610

4 жыл бұрын

The 5.3L is a torqueless wonder, even among small block gas V8's its torque has almost always been sub par.

What did you expect from a naturally aspirated engine at an elevation of 11,000 feet with thin air? With a few slight modifications she would do great. Add some air suspension to the stock suspension and that will take care of the squat issue.

@murrkem8239

2 жыл бұрын

All HD gassers had to run the same route...

Still waiting for the Eco diesel MPG redo.

I saw Ford's 7.3 Gas V8 at the Texas Truck show. Want to see how that beast runs.

I like pretty much every offering. The results are actually impressive considering it is a gas engine being used to tow that kind of weight. They said it was in tow haul mode so if that was the way it was then the programming might use some improvement. The 4.10 gear would be better, but those are options the consumer has the choice to pick. If your gonna tow that much weight with the gas engine, get the 4.10 gears. Also, I have experienced engine load like that, I just manually downshifted to keep from punishing my engine.

@reycuerdos

Жыл бұрын

4.10 gearing is not available with the gas engine. But I do agree with you: you could manually downshift and keep it where its making all the torque. That would have helped the tow probably by a minute. But this is how they do it with all the trucks. To keep it fair I guess.