As a trauma therapist, I feel the need to flesh out your concept of "the body keeps the score". We're beyond the Cartesian model that separates mind and body, so let's start there. In trauma therapy we work with the body because that is where sensation and emotion are felt. When a patient brings awareness to the sensations of fight/flight/freeze/fawn they experience in their body, and build capacity and resilience to feel those sensations, then often, the body naturally releases or moves through the trauma and it becomes resolved in their system. The experience of being frozen in a particular time dissolves and the bad thing that happened becomes a memory rather than a living nightmare. We don't separate mind or brain from sensation in the body as you imply in your talk. Yes, the brain is in control of all of that. However, talk therapy often doesn't work in resolving trauma. It is more effective to start with sensation in the body and let the brain catch up and make meaning.

@laoganmahoardgod

9 ай бұрын

hello i have trauma, and because of that trauma i developed ocd, what do u suggest for me to do? i dont think erp is helping my situation, sorry for the question i dont have therapists near me

@Smilez_Creative

9 ай бұрын

@@laoganmahoardgod Maybe try looking deeper into yourself and understanding why you might have developed OCD. What feelings arise when you feel the desire to clean, organize, or control certain things (however it affects you). Im not a therapist but have seen a few for my own childhood trauma. Due to my experiences I developed ptsd and an acute awareness known as hyper-vigilance due to what occurred. After speaking to some people and reading some fantastic literature regarding our wild brain before during and after trauma it helped me realize these feelings and "symptoms" are simply trying to tell you something, and you just have to tune into uncomfortability and listen. Finding out why you are feeling the way you are has been a big step for me in understanding why I react the way I do to many situations. This then helps me label that feeling as something in the past therefore slowly bringing me back to the present moment. I truly believe you can overcome OCD as a result from past trauma. Healing is possible, there are many wonderful books out there and am happy to suggest a few :). I hope this helps even if its the slightest.

@AkkarisFox

6 ай бұрын

​@@laoganmahoardgodI'll put my two cents in. Non-attachment is the hopium of this century in mental health. And boy is it sweet. Comes in the form pills, self-talk, and reorienting society as a whole away from stigmatizing mental health in all of its forms which will redefine what we come to know as sanity. They are reorienting AI in this way is what I can tell. Even the economy is going to come to a point where AI has made it so that margins are so small that the main currencies being used will be highly delineated so that you can pay things for cents on the cents on your dollar If we see some sort of regulatory action due to the integration and operational efficiency increases of the employees who integrate the expertise of artificial intelligence experts im the arm of the government that is rarely talked about. There are a lot of nuts and bolts in the government that are blamed for the government's inefficiencies and once that is out of the picture things are going to really spice up.

@carolmcbrideonline

6 ай бұрын

exactly what Barrett suggests, practices of new experiences change the prediction of the future - talk isn't a sensation which is why it doesn't 'work' as a first intervention in effective trauma work... however, unlike the triune model, the PFC is definitely active all the time as are most other networks in the brain... this is the shift we need to adopt in thinking through healing processes and explaining to our clients. There is absolutely no implication of 'separation of any sensation from the brain' - it's the essence of how we stay alive, the basis of consciousness that Descartes got completely backwards.

@ingridmolins19

2 ай бұрын

@elynselu7202 I have the same impression but couldn't find the words to explain it to myself, Thank you!

As someone suffering a lot, I this video didn't give me any new information or help me get closer to recovery. It's just a new way to say things I already know.

@JkennGG

2 ай бұрын

Because it’s bullshit 😅

@ricardovaltierra8858

2 ай бұрын

I believe that is possible to recover from certain "types" of trauma, if one opens the gate to the parasympathetic nervous system to recover the "damaged" tissue. Opening that gate, as everything i've had in life, may have a cost in time or intensity. How do I believe opened that gate? With proper habits in sleeping, eating, and social interactions. Drop by drop. Day by day. A stone can be drilled. In my case, meditation helped. Drop by drop. The lower the cortisol levels, the more may you allow your nervous system to enter in "recovering" mode. Proper habits will boost your metabolism. Drop by drop. Of course, budha said pain is an intermittent part of life so, i wont say is the 100% cure. If that doesn't help u, hope you find what you need

@sudenaz6888

6 күн бұрын

she really is talking about nothing.

The way I read The Body Keeps the Score is that it provides a way for dealing with the physiological/mental chaos of trauma that makes effective, functional predictions possible. Barrett's ideas for dealing with trauma as presented here largely amount to CBT, ACT, and exposure therapy, which have been empirically demonstrated to be ineffective methods for trauma in most cases. Perhaps a good way to think about trauma, using Barrett's terminology, is that it causes the brain to make predictions that severely inhibit the free development of the _new_ predictions that could be used to eliminate trauma in the first place. Trauma walls off experience and closes down new possibilities because the world, in the most important ways, is a dangerous place, so you cling to the predictions that have worked so well in the past to help you survive, particularly as a child, with all the force of terror and fear of death. What I think _The Body Keeps the Score_ does, in effect, is find ways to route around the old predictions, in a sense, so that new ones can finally be created. That the author of _The Body Keeps the Score_ conceptualizes trauma as imprinted on the body might have enabled us to think about trauma in novel ways that actually lead to effective treatments, even if there's a possibility that that conceptualization isn't totally accurate. One trippy thing about conceptualizing all of human experience as predictive constructs is that it doesn't really matter if the predictions strictly adhere to reality. It only matters that they get us to something that works.

@carolmcbrideonline

6 ай бұрын

actually the methods she said very clearly (and many times in her talks) that 'work' for trauma were all body 'experiences' and practices, echoing Bessel's work - yoga, dance/drama therapy - to shift our predictions and increase our emotional granularity. Love your last sentence!

While I am guessing that the underlying work here is really valuable and will help move trauma work forward, this video itself is almost recklessly shallow. Not sure anyone is confused that the pathways to healing trauma occur in the brain, it's just that recognizing and dealing with the physical symptoms helps a lot of people.

I like LFB but here she's wandered too far into dualistic thinking and severely underestimates the degree to which the brain 'and' body are one system. No one is saying that trauma "resides solely in the body." And no, everything isn't in your head. That's a reductionist-dualist interpretation of phenomena that are part of a larger system.

@antor2471

11 ай бұрын

I think what she’s saying is that the reflection in the body is mirrored from/ originates in the brain so it’s better to tackle the core

@notmyrealpseudonym6702

11 ай бұрын

The injury presents itself via the body, the incident re-presents itself via the brain. A lot of what people call trauma needs to be differentiated into body physical trauma (pathological or noumenological (non-phenomena) tissue damage), psychological drama/trauma (the pathos and significance of the phenomenological incident) and the relational predictive physiological processes (how does this new experience alter the way I relate, via rewiring or altering intraneuronal process, with future experiences). I've been bitten by a shark compared to a shark swim close by me, compared to I saw you bitten by a shark as an example would require different processes. The problem with not differentiating, not necessarily reductionism or dualism btw, is that a oneness doesn't give a person anything to grip onto either phenomenonally or physiologically. Currently psychophysiological relationships are highly debated and contested and nobody knows the relationship or processes. However this doesn't stop us from being able to determine some useable processes even if they are communicated via a dualistic or reductionistic narrative. To say it's dualistic or reductionistic doesn't tell us the utilisable aspect of the narrative. The body keeps the score ... Cool and then what? And by differentiating the body from the world haven't they created a new form of dualism, me or the world? Or have they created a useable distinction, me and the world?

@tez383

11 ай бұрын

​@@notmyrealpseudonym6702 You've missed the overall point. Granted, I didn't state the overall point explicitly, so that's understandable. Your argument makes sense from a materialist-reductionist paradigm, but keep in mind that there is no evidence that proves materialism as an ontology. Put another way, there are not equations or experiments that provide substantial evidence for materialism. It is a massive assumption; meaning, it is a paradigm based on faith. But that's a meta-point. No one said anything about "oneness." What I was actually speaking to is systems, which is why I used that term twice in the span of three short sentences. Also, saying things like "oneness doesn't give a person anything to grip onto either phenomenonally [it’s actually “phenomenologically”, btw] or physiologically" or "To say it's dualistic or reductionistic doesn't tell us the utilisable aspect of the narrative," is based on erroneous assumptions, which are in turn based on materialist-reductionist biases. As previously mentioned, that paradigm has no scientific foundation supporting it. What it does have is centuries of materialist assumptions baked into the scientific-materialist process, resulting in centuries of confirmation-bias. So, of course today most STEM/secular people (and most people in general) are going to simply assume the premise of materialism as a given, to the point where the paradigm and its assumptions are largely invisible to them. Here's an example of how reductionism often isn't an optimal way to find/understand/frame "the utilisable aspect of the narrative." First off, notice how used the term 'the' twice, therefore implying that there is only one utilisable aspect and one narrative? You've already reductionistically, and perhaps unconsciously, limited the scope of the phenomenon/phenomena, which is dynamic and most likely has multiple utilisable aspects and/or narratives. Also, have you even read The Body Keeps the Score? Obviously there’s so much more it it than you give it credit for by flippantly saying “Cool… and then what?” Yet that didn’t stop you from minimizing, via a psychological form of reductionism, i.e., reductionism as habit and assumed ontology, an entire book based on decades of research. How does that work? I’ll tell you. It works in a reductionist paradigm. But it only works in the short-term. In the long-term, things start to fall apart due to the imbalance and blindspots inherent in reductionist thinking. Now, I’m not saying we should do away with that mentality/way of seeing the world. But it is beyond time to start genuinely integrating more holistic, systems thinking into our models, as well. Don’t bother replying. I won’t read or respond to it.

@sihr07

11 ай бұрын

Totally agree with you. She tried really hard not to, but still went round back to ‘everything is in your head approach’ which I understand from her point of view, but not super helpful when recovery. For me (and this is only my experience) recovery was not complete until I understood and worked on the part that corresponds to the body in this whole thing. As you say, it is one system a d although it is useful for theory to dissect it in parts, you have yo treat it as a whole.

@chelisue

11 ай бұрын

Feels like semantics.

After much research, it has become evident that not everything is "in your head", and know that many memories are "saved" in the body. Where an occurrence is experienced and triggered an emotional state, this can stay in the "body" - the reason I am making this statement, is not merely from research and experiments, but one that I had personally, working with a patient with MSA, who's short-term memory was disabled, however, one day I surprised him with bringing a chocolate cake, which he loved. A week later, I asked him about it, and he did remember it vividly. I was blown away, since he would not have remembered what had happened 30 min ago. So there is more to the body, energy and emotions, and cannot all be in the brain. In a study in the 90's researches also found cells similar to Neurons in the heart, about 40K of them, and called them Sensory Neurites, where it can mean that our heart can "think" too - where the information seems to be more "felt" than thought or analyzed/thought the brain. There is still much to uncover about the human body, as well as the brain.

I hope the predictive model of the brain eventually gets the attention it deserves and finds a way into common sense knowledge, because debating the truing brain in the common sphere is - metabolically speaking - too expensive at this point.

“Your body doesn’t keep the score..” shots fired 😅

@reneverlaine7346

11 ай бұрын

Boom!

@lipegr

10 ай бұрын

The body does indeed keep the score. She just doesn’t understand the type of trauma that changes the way the body reacts and creates CPTSD. Not every scientist knows everything. They just think they do, because, as she says, the brain can only interpret what it has already experienced. If she never experienced brain changing trauma, of course she wouldn’t believe what Bessel says about the body keeping the score. Bessel’s book was a life changer for me and he is absolutely correct.

@reneverlaine7346

10 ай бұрын

@@lipegr Cheers to all the people who can change their minds when presented with evidence that contradicts their beliefs. She is one of the top scientist in the US and in the world, I am a neuroscientist myself FYI. « The brain keeps the score and the body is the scorecard » . In the past few years pop psychology has entered mainstream and the therapization of language took over. From tik tok to FB, a whole generation of self proclaimed “Facebook neuroscientists emerged, telling people their own version of science based on NYT articles and pseudo science. Are you a neuroscientist? How can you say she does understand it while she is an absolute beast in our field? Please dig deeper, science is supporting her claims and I am afraid that most people do not understand it, as we are dealing with very complex theories. I encourage you to look at the evidence from multiple sources, or get a degree in anthropology or neuroscience. I am afraid that the cognitive dissonance is deep all across the board nowadays.

@louxjoh

10 ай бұрын

@@reneverlaine7346 This. It is insane the amount of myth out there. I was a victim of this and had terrible consequences, this video is outstanding and base, it cleared many misconceptions and actually makes things sense. Definitely one of my favorite from BigThink.

@bkolumban

Ай бұрын

"..the brain does." This is not controversial; stop making a bigger deal out of this than it is.

I have actually used this to help people get over trauma ... very effectively. From complete anxiety attacks to calmly being able to deal with situations. Beautiful to observe the happiness in people's eyes when the are suddenly FREE to live their lives again

@gratefulkm

11 ай бұрын

You don't help people get over trauma, that just creates a carriage being drawn by 6 bolting horses with no driver in control and lots of chatter in the carriage where everyone is distracted with no idea what's going on , but they imagine they are ok An accident waiting to happen You should be getting people to experience how broken they are and therefore allowed to do nothing you have 2 guns 1 works perfectly fine never damaged and shoots straight 1 has been damaged and does not shoot straight and in fact could blow up in your face at any time Is it a good idea to convince gun 2 that it should join gun 1 in being used ?

@wanderingdude.

10 ай бұрын

@@gratefulkm Can you try to reexplain that? Or maybe define/give some context to the words your using to explain? I am very interested, not trying to be critical :)

@wanderingdude.

10 ай бұрын

What did you do exactly?

@gratefulkm

10 ай бұрын

@@wanderingdude. Imagine being a cd player with 7 CDs in it , cd 1 and 2 play normal things, cd 3 and 4 are the CDs that you don't want to hear ,bit they want you to never play cd 5, 6, and 7, because they just play KILL KILL KILL KILL , Now a non truamatised person has nice music on all 7 CDs and can play them at any time, none of them are too aggressive for biological reproduction So when dealing with the first persons CD player, you hear them in 1 and 2 and they tell you about 3 and 4 the different from everyone else music but still able to be revealed and heard , Do you teach them that for the rest of their life you promise with all your heart that if they just focus on thier music in cd 1 and 2 , thier dreams and goals and connections, that you have total and utter proof that life involved with everyone will not one day cause the dream to break, for the fear, the confusion, to suddenly out of the blue allow CDs 6 and 7 to play without warning ? Just because some want to pretend thigs cant be that bad, you'll be alright No , you are honest and teach them that things can be that bad and therefore you receive a pass, That's the way it always was before the Roman Slavers

@gratefulkm

10 ай бұрын

@@wanderingdude. or the thalamus decides what you are, It decides how you feel. Are you allowed to dream or are you not ? The Thalamus decides what the cortex creates ,what Cd plays, The Thalamus does not consider human language or the thought process important enough to listen to , Therefore no matter how intricate the dream the delusion, the imagined and theorized and conceptualized construct in thier mind, the thalamus is set to sting and shatter the delusion at any moment, if it gets any more scared than it ALREADY IS

This has made more sense than all the psychologist that ever existed on the internet.

@tonyburton419

7 ай бұрын

i would not be so sure

It is controversial to say this, but: I think it is actually effective to downplay the severity of so-called traumatic events. This is the approach that is consistent with Lisa's theory of constructed emotion. Right now, therapists misguidedly try to emphasize all the worst aspects of a trauma-labeled event in order to "process" the event and make you less "numb" to it. But the goal of processing trauma should be to de-emphasize the importance of the event, not wire your brain into thinking that it controls your life.

@Jay-kx4jf

11 ай бұрын

The idea is to bring to awareness the ways it does control your life subconsciously, without you knowing. Then the awareness itself creates a momentary break in its control, which then allows you to rewire yourself. That is literally what meditation and yoga are. Awareness.

@hanblue1225

11 ай бұрын

If we de-emphasize our traumatic events, they will subconsciously and consciously always rule our lives. This will create more problems that can create more trauma as you live on. It just becomes a loop that controls your life and won't let you get out no matter how hard you try. You can sit with trauma and be patient that it will pass away on its own. Dealing with trauma requires active efforts which explains why therapists have such approach towards treating their clients. Learning and awareness first, accepting second and healing last. This process renews people as if you have reborned and helps you out with other bad life experiences that are simply a part of living in this beautiful cruel world. This time you will know what to do and how to deal with it. It won't rule your life like these types of experiences did. It's a lot of hard work so I understand if people end up seeing it as a bad thing that we emphasize our bad experiences or traumatic events way too much( of course depending on how much worst it was). We need safe place within your own self and after that with others in this world. I think what you said can make sense but it won't get good results. I have seen many people in my life dealing with their trauma how you said and it didn't turned out well.

@lisbethbird8268

11 ай бұрын

@@hanblue1225 I think the answer is between downplay and over- emphasizing so trauma can process in stages without reinforcing it neurologically or starting a fear spiral.

@Discoursivist

11 ай бұрын

@@hanblue1225 I think what you're saying is too broad. Yes, sometimes trying to de-emphasize the event(s) will not be very effective, since you know it was a significant event that affected you and you can't be tricked into thinking otherwise. In that case, you need to build a narrative recognizing that it *was* significant, but you can move past it by following some steps. The main thing is that you need to work on creating a *believable* narrative about the event that ends in you living a normal life where the event is no longer a burden on you. The therapist needs to be fully focused on making you believe that the event will not determine your life. But a lot of times, there is an event that is supposedly traumatic and the therapist is focused on "uncovering" the trauma and explaining to you how it impacted you negatively. In that situation, I think the therapist is actually creating a trauma where there never was trauma in the first place. The event was the event and you moved past it. Therapists should never be trying to convince you that something that happened to you which you think was not very significant was actually very significant. One more point: For some people, it can be therapeutic to believe that they had experienced trauma. It adds a certain drama and meaning to their life. It doesn't matter whether they had experienced trauma or not. Maybe for this people it can be healing for the therapist to give them a narrative that they had experienced trauma. The human psyche is weird.

@hanblue1225

11 ай бұрын

@@lisbethbird8268 like finding a balance between the two right? That could be great.

i think the best way to heal from trauma is this, going back to the trauma and all those "bad" past memories and trying to feel the emotions you may were not allowed to feel like crying and grieving, and feel them now, i think this can help make traumas more like a normal memories or a film youve watched.

@mattcener6314

4 ай бұрын

i agree, that can work. but if it's an early childhood trauma (0-3 years) you don't have mental access to those bad past memories. and additionally if you never experience being able to cry and be comforted. it's a real tough thing to solve.

@Bouncybear2

Ай бұрын

Your missing the point. It’s not about re living emotions or experiences it’s about having a correct experience that contradicts the experience of trauma to update your perceptions. Yes that involves the body and the brain

@LifeLessons-ElderMillennial

6 күн бұрын

Or not. Going back to the trauma and feeling the emotions quite often makes things worse. People need to be able to process what happened to them and file it as past tense. This requires a person gradually returning to homeostasis first in order for the complex processing to occur. Any attempt to do the processing prior to settling of the nervous system only exacerbates the trauma because revisiting traumatic memories feels almost exactly the same in body as the actual thing. The more complex the trauma the more difficult it is to unravel. So yeah, maybe if a person has one simple traumatic event having a good cry will fix it. Unlikely to be the case where there are multiple repressed traumas which is common in abuse, rape or neglect.

I brought both books after watching this.... brilliant

"Everything is in your head" So true!

I really love this advice and insight. Thank you for sharing

Thanks for the gift!!!

Wow I needed to see this!!

I do appreciate this video and the topics that were covered. Yet. , I also believe that the body does remember specific types of abuse especially sexual abuse. It's not just something that is stored in our brain. Our body can physically shut down, change and be repulsed by physical touch due to these kinds of experiences. It's not just a mental experience, it is truly a physical one that must be addressed and understood as well.

@Discoursivist

11 ай бұрын

Lisa's point is that what you're calling "the body remembering" is actually the brain getting triggered to revisit old patterns. Obviously the body outside the brain has no memory neurons and cannot remember anything. But your point is correct, that you can for example be instinctively repulsed by physical touch, but that is because the brain automatically connects physical touch to abuse once that pattern was established.

@genghis_connie

11 ай бұрын

Childhoood trauma and/or C-PTSD are on the same timeline don’t seem to fit this model. Which trauma do I tap into to assess the perceived threat?

@marcbonavia2347

11 ай бұрын

​@@genghis_connieshe says that it is difficult to do so. For that reason is that she advises to "explore activities", such is yoga, or acting. I may add mindfulness (there is one form of mindfulness that addresses trauma and aims into rebuilding many of you neuron connections, creating new sinapsises). Minfulness based stress reduction program (mbsr) helped me a lot to overcome depression and the loss of my mother. You may want to look for a trainer or program near you.

@sihr07

11 ай бұрын

Fully agree with you. I think everyone treating trauma understands this stems from the brain perception, but I found this too reductionist.

@faroukelkholy6510

11 ай бұрын

I agree with you @scarlettfrancesca about the body keeps the score, she is mentioning that the brain keeps the score but do yoga, exercice, which actually involve the body, so the body needs the regulate along the brain, not just the brain (she did not mention meditation and breath work for example which help regulated the nervous system through breath work without movement but it still actually include the body). In fact, there is memory in the muscles, heart and any organ that has cells basically and all the organs are communicating with the brain to give feedback as the brain communicate with them, what I want to say about memory is not just the memory in the brain than need to be healed

This is fascinating. Creating new experiences for the brain. Seems simple but at the same time very powerful.

Yoga is what did it for me, especially pranayama breathwork.

If you don’t understand this brain prediction thing, I recommend watching videos from Anil Seth.

I'm reading her article "the future psychology: connecting mind to brain" and I was under the impression that her constructivist approach would lead to a more non-dualist approach...now I'm a little bit confused, but maybe the key idea is that "the mind keeps the score but the body is the scorecard"?

What about childhood experiences.Theyre so many and so muddled up. How would you process that which you cant even put into chronological order? Cant even properly remember?

Ugh this video was a gift

@louxjoh

10 ай бұрын

you don't say!? it's full of wisdom thus making many backlash from the comments, but truth shall win they say and falsehood is meant to perish🤌🏻

very profound

thank-you. i'll be back to refresh-maybe not!!!

I call this experience as it’s over developed form amygdala hijack, it’s like I could feel my HPA axis flipping. Used to make me feel like hijinx instead of my emotions.

What would happen if you perform neurobics exercise inappropriate manners or if you practice those task excessively.. what would be the impact of our physical and mental health ? By practicing will we really be able to achieve our ultimate goal in life?

My birth family were abusive so I walked away. It was painful but the trauma would have repeated itself had I not done so. I was on the path to healing, but now, my two adult daughters are abusive and I told them that I will not allow them to do that to me. I suggested we seek family mediation but they refused so I walked away. I miss them and feel sad our relationships have taken a turn for the worse, but am devastated that my connection with my two youngest grandaughters is weakening due to my not being there. I don’t know if I’m doing the right thing. My daughters don’t recognise that some of their behaviours are abusive. Can anyone offer me advice?

@flarelu3157

11 ай бұрын

be your self, life is short. we should learn how to enjoy the loneliness, and accept what the reality is. Children have their own path and have to find their life meaning. 儿孙自有儿孙福❤

@hArtyTruffle

11 ай бұрын

@@flarelu3157 being alone for most of the time is the part I enjoy :) I just worry about my adult daughters and the two youngest grandchildren. You’re right though… They will travel their own paths. Thankyou for taking the time to respond. ✨🫶🏻✨ I’ve done my job. Time to look after me.

@gavinchristiantoro

11 ай бұрын

Maybe you are wrong and they just react to your annoyance.

@hArtyTruffle

11 ай бұрын

@@gavinchristiantoro Maybe I am annoying, but whether they perceive me as annoying or not, abuse is not necessary. Not ever.

@AmandaMG6

11 ай бұрын

Depends on what you mean by "abuse" I suppose. Being nasty isn't abuse to me as an adult anymore. (Emotional, mental) Abuse is crazy making

This is interesting and it seems to dismiss Polyvagal theory

Am I the only one binge watching this woman's work?

@janA-yw8kk

11 ай бұрын

me too haha

@reneverlaine7346

11 ай бұрын

Nope, been into her for 3 years. She is ahead of her time. Brilliant..

I get what Barrett means when she says that trauma is created by our individual brains attempting to predict what will happen next based on past experiences, but i wonder what she makes of communal/ collective or racial trauma.

Ok...where in the brain doesn't the body keep the score. Lisa completed her PhD in psychology not neuroscience as many people would predict by the title. Studying neuroscience and developing hypothesis about the brain doesn't make me a neuroscientist. Nevertheless, I appreciate her efforts to stimulate more discussion regarding trauma therapy.

Your brain is not part of your body?

Nailed it, unfortunately

I think that Dr. Bessel van der Kolk, M.D, the author of "The Body Keeps Score," would disagree with your hypothesis.

@Knifymoloko

11 ай бұрын

Better yet, The Well should create a video of a discussion between the two. Nuance is an enlightening thing and her statement obviously confronting Dr. Bessel doesn't have to be so alienating to those that think otherwise.

@Leo-mr1qz

11 ай бұрын

@@Knifymoloko Yes, that does sound reasonable. I also think that anyone who has experienced extreme trauma can say that the body can trap the trauma within itself. I see her perspective, that the brain runs the show, and the body is an after thought. As Dr. Kolk explains in his brilliant book, that concept isn't as simplistic as it may seem.

@Jay-kx4jf

11 ай бұрын

I think you misunderstood both of them. It's a play on words that might have flown over your head. You experience your body through your nervous system. They are both talking about the same thing with different language.

@Leo-mr1qz

11 ай бұрын

@@Jay-kx4jf She literally said, "the body does not keep score." I understand that the mind and body are connected, and without the mind the body will not function. She suggested that your injuries are all in your head. Dr. Kolk suggests that they are psychological, as well, but the physical traumas cause the mind to not allow the body to function properly. So, you're suggesting that the trauma cuts off that part of the brain, that sensation it produces and/or controls due to the trauma? If so, then yes, she did say the same thing in a different way. It did fly over my head. You are right!

@Jay-kx4jf

11 ай бұрын

@@Leo-mr1qz and then she says that the experience of the body all happens in your brain. And that the body is the scorecard. Which is all true. Everything you experience is happening within you consciousness. The body included. That isn't psychological. Psychology is a small part of consciousness and the brain. "injuries are all in your head" there. That's where you're getting stuck. The entire theme of the body keeps the score is to give weight to how heavy trauma is that it's not "all in your head", Esp as a response to people that dismiss people who were traumatized. But Lisa plays on that and goes further, it's not related to the common "it's in your head" dismissal. Becuase it IS all happening in your head, but it's just as real and heavy. It's not anyless impactful cause it's constructed. You give the body keeps the score to people who don't believe in trauma. Lisa's stuff comes after you've understood its weight and impact.

In the ledger of blockchain of events they sometimes store failed blocks which through inner self and external validators can reap rewards over those blocks through identity->habits->actions

@markg.3171

11 ай бұрын

And success is found through the pursuit of a worthy ideal

@markg.3171

11 ай бұрын

There are multiple layers like the conscious / unconscious and networks like the collective unconscious

Why does Dr. Barrett repeatedly refute semantics? Yes we know that van der Kolk didn't literally mean that trauma is stored in the body. It's a metaphor of the felt experience.

Wow!!! Great video👍👍. Feed your mind with great thoughts. Believing in great things creates heroes. I Benjamin Disraeli.

@The-Well

11 ай бұрын

Beautiful quote!

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Everybody has a story, nobody has an excuse

@gratefulkm

11 ай бұрын

Most people have emotions Some people have no emotions and are psychopathic killers but most emotional people have absolutely no idea that the others exist and how many of them there are because their brain is full of emotional growth, the emotionless ones, the damned have just computational power

I want friends interested in psychology, mental health, anthropology and neuroscience... Anyone??

Why change your predictions when your predictions happen to come true frequently?

No

Well, there are neurons thru the whole body…

@danieln7777

11 ай бұрын

But your conscious experience isn't processed across your entire body, just the bit inside your skull does that

@Jay-kx4jf

11 ай бұрын

​@@danieln7777well the brain also creates the illusion that your consciousness is situated in your head. To make It easier to navigate the world.

Strawmanning?

Well "The courage to be disliked" says the opposite of trauma, so who to believe now?

@SchgurmTewehr

11 ай бұрын

If they are talking about opposite things, where’s the contradiction?

Shes so cerebral.....

I predict that my comment is going to be liked 😅

@powdergate

11 ай бұрын

'You' are not the one that makes predictions, your brain is. 'You' are just a convenient little mental hologram your brain evolved as a peripheral device, like a microphone, headset, webcam and mouse all in one ugly package 🤍

@Durrpadil

11 ай бұрын

Break the cycle 😂

@ThatsJustMyBabyDaddy

11 ай бұрын

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@bladerunner_77

2 ай бұрын

💯👍

And the brain is not part of the body?😂

"the body doesn't keep the score" and "the body is the scorecard" 😂 you might wanna rethink that.

@reneverlaine7346

11 ай бұрын

The body keeps the score is a tale.

@user-mc3mu8gp4h

9 ай бұрын

How so?

An Incredibly backward view...many flawed assumptions. 1evolution...something we imagine of our species because of the massive decline in intelligence our species suffers generationally leaves each generation unable to comprehend what the previous one had...so leaving us egotistically unable to even recognise our decline. Understanding the organism we are can Only occur as our own living or lived experience and once thought gets involved we disconect from ourselves as an intelligent body. Hence we have become the most disconnected destructive creature on the planet. Divorced from nature we are lost in clever clever thinking and our decline can only continue with this type of information only the body understands itself and life sensorily which is completely different to how the mind or thought/intellectaul process understands. In our disconected mental state we cannot understand anything as it is...but can only interpret and misinterpret whatever our body knows or our senses recieve, to fit with the limits of our thinking... how do u know you are hungry...sensation in the stomach which is our first point of knowing/ sensing hunger and after the moment of sensing then we describe/ recognise that sensation...only the stomach relates to and knows hunger..not the brain..the brain depends on information from each other part to do its thing. Its not the creater but a reacter.... .3 brain is a conscious entity somehow superior/ seperate to all other bodily functions. ..perhaps this conclusion comes from the fact that we only creat diagnostics tools based on what we alresdy think and assume is the guiding intelligence of the organism we are and therefore find what we set out to find. ...it is experientially knowable to us all that sensation whereever it hapens precedes thought...which then recognises and describes the information in that sensation according to the fixed view of that particular thinking ...no wonder we are so confused...3 trauma is located in the brain as a function of the brain... if trauma is of the brain then it is located there...if trauma is of the genitals or any other part of us then it is located there...and so on...and that too is where the memory of it is held and that exact area and sensations there are where you heal it...not in the brain...i realise these statements of mine are unexplained here but i just want to warn trauma sufferers away from the backward ineffective information presented in this talk....its not the speekers fault...she is educated or programed conditioned to think in very limited dualistic and yes egotisticle ways...why do these intellectuals speek on things they really do not understand...on areas in which they have failed misserably in curing people...