Guys, I’m SO impressed by you and your content! This is a difficult topic to teach and you hit each of the key elements in developing the subject!

@ZeroESG.goopootoob

Жыл бұрын

"...created his own Son of God?" Yikes! Fellas! I wanted to say, "Good treatment," but, man, oh man, there is so much poor language on casual and technical levels. They can lose the God saying, "homie," stuff, etc. Cringeworthy. But on a funnier note, speaking of six fingered men... "argumentation?" "You keep using that word... I do not think it means what you think it means." To bolster their point, the supernatural/spirit view 'popularized' by Dr. Heiser has not only been held by many Jews, it's the oldest of the views mentioned. This was the view I was familiar with via church teachers as an adolescent in the 90's.

Hey folks, Michael Heiser has cancer. Let's remember him in our prayers.

@explodingrubberducky797

2 жыл бұрын

Oh no. That's terrible

@jpnoobieeiboonpj858

2 жыл бұрын

Michael Heiser has been so influential in my walk and understanding

@IndianaJoe0321

2 жыл бұрын

Are you saying, @@greglogan7706 , that you already knew of Two Powers theology? You already knew about the "Deuteronomy 32 worldview?"

@PureEntertainmentAZ

2 жыл бұрын

@@greglogan7706 lol Pretty basic? Basic for who? People with some type of masters or doctorate in some form of theological study? Lol Michael Heiser himself always says his “little secret” is that “Mike never had an original thought”. But he knows 99% of most Christians don’t know these things so he’s just getting it out there for them to see. Most people don’t know these things let alone their Bibles. So regardless of it being known to you and unoriginal of Dr. Heiser, it doesn’t change the facts that he’s helped thousands of people understand and gain exposure to these things. Again, if it was so basic and everyone knows this and talks about it, dr Heiser wouldn’t be gaining so much recognition. The average Christian doesn’t roll in circles that discuss these things.

@larryskahill8745

2 жыл бұрын

Cancer die in the name of Jesus!

I appreciate you guys' sense of humor throughout this...especially toward the end. Great balance!

Love your content guys, and your willingness to tackle such a wide range of topics :). Just a note - not that I want to be the apostrophe police - but you've added one on "sons" when it is a plural and therefore not requiring a possessive apostrophe :)

@sandra2631

2 жыл бұрын

I see that everywhere and I don't know why, but it drives me nuts 🤪. Sons.

I’m about to teach on Genesis 6 on my podcast this week. So glad I found you guys. Every video keeps getting better. Keep it up, homies! You are helping so many know God and his word better!

One of my fav topics. Cheers !

You guys are brilliant. It is so much easier to read Genesis and the Book of Enoch after listening to your conversation. Thanks!!!!

You should rename this episode the ‘Heiser and the Nephilim’ since this is basically just the “Unseen Realm” in podcast form! Which is still very cool! Next time don’t forget to pray for Heiser!

@duaneelsbree3460

2 жыл бұрын

He did mention to pray for him.

@alexmarysaint2523

2 жыл бұрын

Heiser did not come up with that view so that would be inaccurate.

@suiko2fan2

2 жыл бұрын

@@alexmarysaint2523 Didnt say he invented it, but he popularized. And 99% of what they said is covered in Mike's main book.

Love what you had to say at the end Miller. Good to hear a level headed view!

@michaelmiller5024

2 жыл бұрын

Takes one to know one! 😉

Had a visitor come out of a portal after I looked up and asked "who am I?" He replied "David, you are a son of God", and then vanished in a flash. White hair, pale, glowing, golden breast plate, red tunic underneath that ended above the knee, eyes shining like stars. Baby Noah in the book of Enoch was a lot like my visitor. Shortly after, a snake eyed demon popped into my head. He quickly realized I could "see" him and he disconnected. Didn't feel very good so I asked for assistance and had a flash of golden warrior angels diving down through darkness. Then I saw his head cut off by a sword.

Dr. Michael S. Heiser passed away February 2023 from pancreatic cancer. 😢

Ah, man. Did you guys forget to pray for Dr. Heiser at the end?

@VeryBasicBible

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, we're just humans ya know, so grace is needed. I bet they've have prayed many times, on show or not. :) Thx for watching

@leonscott543

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah but we can pray at any time

@VeryBasicBible

2 жыл бұрын

@@leonscott543 Yes agreed. 😃 Also, God is not gonna be like “Well I WAS gonna help Dr Heiser but since you forget to pray when you said you where…”

@elizabethmolnar4643

Жыл бұрын

Shows how self observed they remain.

@elizabethmolnar4643

Жыл бұрын

Not surprised

Should’ve left my opinion about the anti-vaccine conspiracy out of the episode. Sorry about that everyone. That’s not really what our show is about.

@savedbychrist504

2 жыл бұрын

We have every right to question the ingredients in the vakk, which are experimental, unnatural, and being promoted by anti-Christ establishments such as the UN and the WHO. Look at how much and who are promoting the vakk… we will know them by their fruits.

@VeryBasicBible

2 жыл бұрын

We got grace for ya, brother :)

@TheKorby2011

2 жыл бұрын

It’s cool no worries

Someone who is now with the Lord, Dr Chuck Missler, had a fabulous Bible study regarding this. I'd be interested what your take on his position is. He believed demons to be the deceased Nephilim. The word used to translate to giants was "gigantes" actually implies "earth born". Giant was more of a transliteration. Anyhow, I think all of you would find interesting material from Dr Missler. God bless!!!

Amos 2:9- The Height of the Amorites Yet I destroyed the Amorites before them, though they were tall as the cedars and strong as the oaks. I destroyed their fruit above and their roots below.

@explodingrubberducky797

2 жыл бұрын

@@greglogan7706 So, I googled the height of a cedar of lebanon, and they are about 40-70 ft tall. I've always believed them to be veery tall even as a child. So I think you have a point

@explodingrubberducky797

2 жыл бұрын

@@greglogan7706 lol I guess so. Personally, It's not that difficult to grasp seeing that you have a form of supernatural DNA mixing with human DNA. If you look at the measurement of an angel in Revelations 21:17 He also measured its wall, 144 cubits[a] by human measurement, which is also an angel's measurement.

@explodingrubberducky797

2 жыл бұрын

@@greglogan7706 Look, you can make fun of me if you want. I understand the use of hebraic expressions. If these people were just a few feet taller than the people it makes little sense for an army of Israelites to shudder at the sight of Goliath. As a war strategy, if he were just slightly taller, why not just mob him by the hundreds and thousands and take him out. But no, Saul, who was a great warrior, and his armies were so scared of this being that they refused to turn up to fight him I'm not really surprised (having seen your other comments in here) because more often, I find the propensity of the western mind to divorce the supernatural elements from the bible, explaining things away by means of "poetic expressions." Yes, I get it, some things are poetic. However, others are not as poetic as you'd like them to be.

@explodingrubberducky797

2 жыл бұрын

@@greglogan7706 go ask the creator what the color of his feathers are and also ask him what kind of dances his mountains do, since he's the best being to answer your question.

@explodingrubberducky797

2 жыл бұрын

@@greglogan7706 I'm not interested in engaging with you anymore, logan. You may take you biblical elitism somewhere else.

Exhaustively researched The Judgement of the Nephilim by Ryan Pittetson has opened my eyes to scripture based information on this. Well worth the read!

@samphonnetgamgee5625

Жыл бұрын

Not for me. Pittersonnen makes some outrageous claims about bloodlines and bases this on 20th century Christian articles.

Good episode... I don't know about the whole C19 thing... left field there! One thing if I may...'they bare children unto them, the SAME became'... and also 'there were giants in the earth in- after... WHEN the sons of God...' sorry I'm a simpleton and reader of King James... seems fairly straight forward to those whom will... thanks for the video Remnant

Absolutely agree on the Bene Elohim point, it's what finally kicked me off the non-supernatural view after much resistance. If Gen 6 is about polygamous kings or the line of Seth, why not just say so? But if it's about heavenly beings, then bene elohim is EXACTLY the term to use!

The Sons of God “Giants” has been around charismatic circles along time. I personally first heard about it in the 80’s in an Assembly of God Bible College. Finis Dake wrote extensively about it, I think in the 1940’s.

And oh- We even had a nonChristian who (claims, at least, and I don't have any reason to mistrust) said they get kicked off chats often, but was very glad when I told them no, we haven't kicked them off and in fact we're glad they're here. They said we're very caring- and indeed, we have some great Christians who frequent our chat and are very good at showing love towards the nonChristians (usually it's 50/50 for me, I end up making people mad sometimes and having to clarify and apologize, lol)

RR, did I miss your closing prayer for Dr. Heiser? If I did, I am disappointed in me, if I didn't, I am disappointed in you.

@VeryBasicBible

2 жыл бұрын

They and you are just humans, so grace is needed. And I bet they have prayed many times, on show or not. :)

Miller’s Spanish accent is 👌🏼

Very interesting discussion! I agree with you that fallen Elohim had children with human women- it makes sense to me…❤️🙏✝️

@davidjanbaz7728

2 жыл бұрын

@@greglogan7706 you looked ? It just says the angels aren't married. And they are the lowest level of the Heavenly host. God caused Mary to conceive: did He have genitalia? You're statements are very incoherent !

@davidjanbaz7728

2 жыл бұрын

@@greglogan7706 you're brain is already muted!

@Real_LiamOBryan

2 жыл бұрын

@@davidjanbaz7728 Wait! Your explanation for it is that God, seeing that these angels and humans supposedly disobeyed and physically coupled, even though angels are not physical creatures, don't have DNA, and aren't married or given in marriage, brought about a miracle of progeny for them, in the way that He did for Mary, as a gift for said disobedience? That doesn't sound coherent to me! If not, then you are asserting that they have the power that God does to non-physically bring about progeny, but you would have to show that (without begging the question by pointing to Genesis 6) and then deal with the fact that that would render their physical coupling, basically, pointless. If they can bring about offspring non-physically, then why not just say that they can have intercourse non-physically and, since they can have intercourse non-physically, then why not say that they can have it without partners? Again, that doesn't sound very coherent to me.

Concerning the content and I have made this comment as well on Dr. Heiser’s channel. The argument seems to focus on the sons of God? I don’t know why any Christian that claims to believe in God, in creation, in Angels, in Satan who fell so clearly, they can fall, would have a hard time reading that scripture just as it is written? These are obviously Angelic beings; but that said I have a different issue with the text and how it’s being presented. I want to drop in the verse to making it available while I make my point. There were giants in the earth in those days; and also, after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. Ok so the first point would be that giants and Nephilim are the same thing one being the English term and the other being Hebraic. The term when can be used to note a time, a cause, or both. For example, I eat when I'm hungry. In that sentence when is both indicating a time and a cause; The time I eat and why I eat. It may just be a time: When she was in France, my mom got pregnant . It may be just a cause: When she gave birth there were complications. In the biblical text; and it may be more clear in Greek, but as we read it in English its unclear. Is that when indicating a cause; After all God flooded the whole earth. Did He mess up? If He was trying to eradicate the Nephilim why were there giants in the world afterward? Perhaps that when is indicating a time, when the earth was young, when people began to multiply on the earth, when there were giants in the land....the sons of God did this. It seems to me that the sons of God who had children with the daughters of men crated just what the texts says they did, men of renown, what the Greeks thought of as demi gods.

The reason he said that we will be like the angels not giving in marriage is because the angels are not divided. Eve was brought out of Adam and when they come together they are made one. So they are not split male and female therefore not lacking anything. Therefore marriage is not necessary as they are already one.

Why the poster of the being with the deer head and human body?

" Michael Heiser made a public boast". Boast, is not typically the term I would use to describe Dr. Heizer's announcement of this plight.

@UnderTheFloor79

2 жыл бұрын

"public post"

@kurakuson

2 жыл бұрын

@@UnderTheFloor79 Ah...my error.

Today's episode: Titled Nephilim, 90% the other Divine Council Worldview stuff. Which I am fine with 👌👌

Once you open the door to sons of God or angels becoming men, eating food, etc., you have nothing whatsoever to close the door on reproduction. Throughout the New Testament angels are referred to as men in bright clothing etc., either they take on flesh and become men (angels unaware) or they don’t.

@FishersofTheRemnant

2 жыл бұрын

@@greglogan7706 Your opinion is invalid, your not even in the argument. Either you step into the narrative and address accurately what the narrative is CLAIMING or you stay out. This is a self disqualifying fallacy.

@davidjanbaz7728

2 жыл бұрын

@@greglogan7706 you're simply repeating the pathetic theory that the Jews believed in the polytheism of their neighbors. They believed in many God's but only YHWH was their God and the other gods were for the nations. Many of the Jews practiced idolatry and rebelled against YHWH. These other gods weren't just opinions in their pantheon but foreign gods.

@FishersofTheRemnant

2 жыл бұрын

@@greglogan7706 And? What are you contesting?

@FishersofTheRemnant

2 жыл бұрын

@@greglogan7706 You jumped the gun to get on your cage stage, you are an irrelevant babbler and I couldn’t care any less what you are saying. Bye now

Amen🙏🏽🙏🏽

Neville Goddard teaching from experience will wake you up when you came down and called man, the death on this planet repeats for teaching you never dies except in man, you a original sons of god never dies, its a play and no ones lost.

I have never heard you guys bring up the idea of sons of God being a name for a direct creation from God could you please discuss this sometime. For example we are called the sons of God now why because we are a new creation in Christ.

Peter Gentry’s view of the nephilim makes the most sense.

Jude 6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation . . . The Greek word for 'habitation' is oikaytayreon Strongs 3613 which is a word for 'house.' This Greek word is only found one other time, 2 Cor 5:2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven: This 'house' of 2 cor. 5:2 is our heavenly body we are resurrected into. So the angles of Jude 6 left their heavenly body and apparently took on some sort of at least partially flesh body.

@Real_LiamOBryan

2 жыл бұрын

Just because a word is used some way in some similar writing, that doesn't mean that it has the same sense as that word in the writing being examined, especially when it is across authors. Jude and 2 Corinthians are not even similar in style. It is only evidence, and weak evidence at that, that the word *_may_* be used in the same sense in both writings, not that they *_are_* used in the same sense in both writings.

@essenceofgrowing7804

Жыл бұрын

@@Real_LiamOBryan Hermeneutics. Two or three witnesses. He brings us a relevant observation. The Greek language didn’t have a shortage of words. On the contrary. Plus we’re not talking about non biblical texts- we’re talking about the inspired word. We’re also talking recognizing that the first century context and worldview is much didn’t from Protestants and Catholics today.

Outstanding message really appreciate all the information God bless your channel! 👋😅👍✝️❤🙏📖👑🍞🍷

Notice in the lineage of Adam they’re all called sons n daughters. But the most important part is when it begins wit Adam. Made in the image n likeness of God.

if these Elohim/Watchers are bound then who are the princes and principalities that Paul is referring to??

@blakedorsett4359

2 жыл бұрын

The fallen angels that mated with humanity were bound and are still bound till the last day. Not all fallen angels participated in this event however. This is exactly why there are still powers and principalities to fight and strive against that are not bound.

Oh! Miller's Jewish? Always good to see Jewish Christians.

You guys forgot to pray for Dr. Heiser.....lol

@VeryBasicBible

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, they're just humans, grace is good. I bet they have prayed many times, on show or not. :)

Love you guys! Wanna call you out on one of your very few, rare mistakes…that wretched APOSTROPHE! The video title literally means “The Son IS of God” (with that mistaken apostrophe). Loose the sons!

Grace and Peace to you. I agree with Josh about the sons of God being angels and about "Let us make them in our image" being a statement from the Trinity.

@lark8356

2 жыл бұрын

@@greglogan7706 Grace and Peace to you. Did you watch the video? They explained it well. I would be delighted to discuss this on Telegram with you and anyone else who reads this comment. Please email me at StrongerEveryday AT gmail so that I can send you the link to how to contact me on Telegram. You can also find the Telegram link in the About section of my KZread page. I'd post the link here, but KZread would remove my post. I look forward to speaking with you. God bless you.

If the GIANTS NOT AWESOME, but the WICKEDNESS of the world, how to they achieve the status of *** MIGHTY MEN, MEN OF RENOWN ~ HERO'S??? *** ----- (WHERE IS THE COMMON SENSE, IN THIS THOUGHT PROCESS???) ------ HERDSMAN III OLD III

If the sons of God were angels in Job, then who were the stars that were singing?

@mariemilycraig

2 жыл бұрын

That's them again. Parallelism in Hebrew poetry and all that: what is said in the first line is repeated in the second line, with variation.

@jmeezee978

2 жыл бұрын

@@mariemilycraig not sure I agree. Seems theres 2 separate characters in question. To assume ur position seems to be conjecture. We have proof positive scripture that says angels (the ones created mightier than men) aren’t called sons. In fact, whenever we see a angel in scripture, they aren’t ever called sons of God. Even in Job there’s a distinction being made between the sons of God n Satan who would technically be a fallen son of God (using Heiser’s reasoning) but a son none the least. Cherubim & Seraphim seem to be what we universally call angels today. Except the word “angel” isn’t exclusive to just spiritual beings. The words Malak & Aggelos are used for both spiritual & physical beings. …so to imply that Cherubim & Seraphim are also sons of God seems to be more suppositional rather than biblical fact. JS.

@jmeezee978

2 жыл бұрын

@@mariemilycraig consider these verses… Hebrews 1:5 For to which of the angels did God ever say, “You are my Son, today I have >>begotten>begotten us again>begotten of God

@mariemilycraig

2 жыл бұрын

@@jmeezee978 I stand by my statement, but by all means don't take my word for it. If you'd like to read a scholarly discussion of these terms that gives you all the necessary details, may I recommend Michael Heiser's book "Angels". It also has a good big bibliography should you wish to study the subject even more in depth.

@mrgeorge1888

2 жыл бұрын

@@jmeezee978 yes, you are getting closer to the truth, read Luke 3 : 38 about Adam. Gbu, brother.

Didn'the Lord Jesus not say that angels neither marry nor are given in marriage?

@magistradox39

2 ай бұрын

... in Heaven

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This specific video had some of the best side chat ever. We somehow managed to mostly stay off the eternal discussion of the book of Enoch, and somehow avoided all- yes, I believe ALL- dogmatic statements against both sides: the side that was pro "divine council" never seemed to be snarky or reply angrily or incredulously against the side that was pro "they're humans", and vice versa.Much discussion happened, it was great. I love our chat

@VeryBasicBible

2 жыл бұрын

@@greglogan7706 The whole book of you nothing? I assume auto correct claimed another victim.

@VeryBasicBible

2 жыл бұрын

@@greglogan7706 Makes sense now. What happens a lot on the live chat is that people start discussing the book of Enoch and you just get a lot of claims and such thrown around, and people come in saying this that the otherand they are very authoritative like and sometimes it's rather kooky sounding and and and...*sigh* That's why I'm glad it was avoided. Now, generally the chat has two, maybe three guys who actually know the stuff you mentioned and the rest of us are just ignorant of it- but then the "crazies" show up and it gets all stressful. The live chat is usually not the best place to discuss that stuff. BUT- I'm pretty sure, though, that The Remnant Radio has whole shows devoted to what you mentioned above. SO don't worry, it does get discussed in a thoughtful way, and we do learn from it.

There... you said it, the fallen angels are bond up for judgment. --- What... you think someone posted bail for the fallen angels, to give them enough time to mate with human women? ---- HERDSMAN III OLD III

(41:26) What giants were heroes and men of renown, pre-flood? ------ HERDSMAN III OLD III

(22:00) Angels can be *Reapers* also. So stop telling your viewers/listeners, that they are just messengers. ------- HERDSMAN III OLD III

Are sons of God higher beings then angels or angels are the same beings but it’s a job title?

angels are not always divine beings, the word angel mean messenger and men are also messengers .

So when did the Son's of God presented to the earth? Same time of Satan's fall?

They are not so sure of the idea that the nephilim could be the human/divine offspring. but they never say where they are coming from then!? they are obviously mentioned in the bible, we cannot just forget that. Why then not to consider what the book of Enoch says?? just because was left out from the cannon? and again by who?? Peter, Jude and those ancient people where familiar with it. I believe the nephilim are the offspring. Thanks Teacher Michael Heiser!

How to danate?

I side with Heiser on let us make man in our own image.

@JamesSmith-yw3nn

2 жыл бұрын

I would like to know why the Remnant guys think is the Trinity.

If Noah was the only man survived after the flood then how did the Nephilim continue to survive after

@berlypaul8216

2 жыл бұрын

correction *Noah and his family

@blakedorsett4359

2 жыл бұрын

It probably happened again to a way lesser degree and then whatever fallen angel committed that sin got canned with the rest. I would imagine the Lord allowed it to happen so that David could crush Goliath and it would be an awesome faith building story for the rest of history.

Jesus is God, but he died like men. ----- Knock.... knock.... ANYONE AWAKE ⏰? 💡💡💡 ----- HERDSMAN III OLD III

@oscardavis7796

2 жыл бұрын

@@greglogan7706 KNOCK KNOCK... JESUS = GOD.... WALKED THE EARTH 🌎AS A MAN, AND DIED A MAN, to be resurrected. And ascend back to heaven as GOD, OUR LORD AND SAVIOR. ----- YOUR NOT, A CHRISTIAN, if you believe any different. ----- *HEREBY KNOW ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God.* ----- HERDSMAN III OLD III

My question is who made these hybrid giants, the angels, or the Lord who makes all things? ~ Isaiah 44:24; "Thus says the Lord, your Redeemer, WHO FORMED YOU FROM THE WOMB: “I am the Lord, WHO MADE ALL THINGS, who alone stretched out the heavens, who spread out the earth by myself," ~ Colossians 1:15-17; "He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities-ALL THINGS have been created THROUGH HIM AND FOR HIM. He is before all things, and IN HIM ALL THINGS HOLD TOGETHER." Would God suspend His natural law of creation in Genesis 1, that ALL creation reproduces after their own kind, and then breathe life into these hybrid demi-gods, and then be grieved in His heart that he made 'mankind', not angels or hybrids, but 'man'? Then after creating these hybrids God had to destroy all mankind except 8 people on the ark because He tainted the bloodline. That makes no sense at all! 1. Hybrids are never mentioned by Jesus, Disciples, Apostles, Prophets, Pharisees, Scribes or Gentiles in the Bible. 2. Jesus said angels in heaven do not marry, Jesus spoke of the days of Noah, people were eating, drinking and marrying, but He never speaks of angel/women marriages. Jesus would know if this was true. 3. Sons of God; God's definition: ~ Romans 8:14; "For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God." Were the sons of God 'Godly men' in Genesis 6:1-3? "Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them, that the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose. Then the LORD said, “My 'SPIRIT' shall not 'ABIDE WITH MAN' forever, because he also is flesh; nevertheless his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.” Was God's Spirit 'abiding' with man then (Romans 8:14), but not forever because of these marriages? If sons of God are angels that took women as wives in Gen 6, why does God say that His Spirit will not abide with 'MAN' forever? If angels are just taking women that they chose, why didn't God lock the angels in chains before they tainted the bloodline. Then He gives mankind only 120 years to repent for the dirty deeds of angels? NO! The sons of God are not angels here, it never even hints that these are angels marrying women. These sons of God are just as Rom. 8 says, men led by God's Spirit that 'fell away' from God by the lust of the eyes and lust of the flesh and turned to idolatry. ~ Psalm 53:2-3; “God looks down from heaven on the children of man to see if there are any who understand, who seek after God. They have all ‘FALLEN AWAY’; together they have become corrupt; there is none who does good, not even one.” ~ Deuteronomy 7:3-4; "Furthermore, you shall not intermarry with them; you shall not give your daughters to their sons, nor shall you take their daughters for your sons. For they will turn your sons away from following Me to serve other gods; Then the anger of the Lord will be kindled against you, and He will quickly destroy you."

Great episode! That being said, I love you Miller, but you need to approach vaccines like theology (if you intend to talk about it), you are not well informed on the subject. Watch Vaxxed and Vaxxed II for a start.

I would love an answer as to what Jesus said about angels but marrying or given in marriage, it seems to me that Angels were not created with genitalia and therefore would not even have a sex drive!? There seems to be an assumption through the discussion that this isn't an issue

In James 1:17 God is called the "Father of Lights." What are these lights? I think it's pretty clear in context this refers to the sun moon and stars thus making the sun moon and stars the sons of God. So in Job when it speaks of the sons of God singing for joy this is metaphorical speech for the sun moon and stars or the "lights."

@jimharmon2300

2 жыл бұрын

Genesis 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: 15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. 16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: [he made] the stars also. 17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, 18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that [it was] good. 19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day. From looking at it spiritually I see all the heavens were finished before the fourth day . The stars are HIS Angels. The hands of GOD . To do his will . The moon , the light of the evil . The sun , the light of his followers.

If divine beings (sons of God) went in to the daughters of men? One wonders was it for pleasure or to procreate some form of life? If it was to procreate, what would the offspring be...divine, human, or a mix of some sort. Why would the sons of God want offspring? These seem like fair theological questions. Bottom line is the scriptures trying to telegraph that the Nephilm are giants who indeed are the offspring?

@marsherrmadd5380

2 жыл бұрын

I heard a teaching that they were purposefully trying to mess up the DNA of humans so that Jesus couldn't be born. Interesting thought.

@Wayne-lt7zv

2 жыл бұрын

@@marsherrmadd5380 I personally don't understand the rebellious heavenly host's to have known of God's plan to redeem fallen humanity....but I would be interested in reading/listening to the teaching your referencing. 1 Corinthians 2:7-8 (ESV): But we impart a secret and hidden wisdom of God, which God decreed before the ages for our glory. None of the rulers of this age understood this, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory

(36:25) What's wrong with EVERYONE??? ----- ADAM =SON OF GOD = LUKE 3:38 = SETH, on... DNA ***SON'S OF GOD*** CHAIN ⛓, AS mortals, take to themselves daughter's of the men created before Adam. ------ WHEN.... WHEN.... THEY PRESENT THEMSELVES before the Lord, they have already lived their lives as mortals, and are NOW SPIRITUAL ANGELIC BEINGS. ----- WHERE'S EVERYONE'S COMMON SENSE???? ----- HERDSMAN III OLD III

@oscardavis7796

2 жыл бұрын

@@greglogan7706 Enoch.....???? The Enoch who walked with God, and didn't die, and went to heaven with God? That makes him a SPIRITUAL ANGELIC BEING ABLE, TO STAND in the presence of God, in JOB. ----- WHO, was born from the seed of ADAM = *SON OF GOD*= LUKE 3: 38 ----- ENOCH = SON'S OF GOD, from ADAMs, DNA CHAIN ⛓. ----- KNOCK... KNOCK.... ANYONE AWAKE ⏰??? ------ HERDSMAN III OLD III

"Sons of God" did not always refer to Angels, being selective to stress their own view

***LET US*** CREATE man in ***OUR IMAGE***.....AND THE GODS, CAME DOWN IN THE FORM OF MEN ~ HOST OF HEAVEN CANNOT BE NUMBERED~ Aliens took flight. ------- HERDSMAN III OLD III

If the *US* = the Trinity, in the Creation, where us the 2nd, and 3rd man? ----- God created Adam **ALL by himself". Who are the other two male beings? ----- HERDSMAN III OLD III

Have you ever thought about angels taking on a different form when they fell to the earth? When they put on a fallen nature? Think about it. When Adam and Eve first sinned and ate the fruit they put on flash afterwards. Before that there were in their spiritual Bodies In the Garden of Eden with God, just like angels, (or sons of god), in heaven where fully spirit in heaven with God before they fell to the Earth just like Satan fell. When Satan fell he took a form of a snake in the garden? and he takes on many other forms while here on Earth. Could it be that when the Fallen Angels fell here on Earth the only way that could they could have sex with women is to be in a more physical body? Some sort of corrupted flesh? Even if we take the story of Jesus and him putting on flash while he was here on earth. Now Obviously I'm not comparing Jesus to fallen angels, sons of God and us, because Jesus was sinless Etc, I'm just stating that he put on fleah also while he was here on Earth. This is something to think about, I believe Michael Heiser touches on this in his book reversing Hermon, but this is what I actually thought before I read the book a few months ago. Because I think we can say logically that spirits, or spiritual beings like Angels can't have sex with women/humans (flesh), but they had to put on a different form.

@alicefaith2259

2 жыл бұрын

They didn’t eat the apple. Satan beguiled Eve. They had sex

@Real_LiamOBryan

2 жыл бұрын

*"When Adam and Eve first sinned and ate the fruit they put on flash afterwards. Before that there were in their spiritual Bodies In the Garden of Eden with God"* That would mean that their spiritual bodies were made out of the dust of the ground and ribs respectively. The idea in Genesis is clearly not that of spiritual, but fleshly, bodies for Adam and Eve in the garden.

@ws775

Жыл бұрын

The first Adam was made a living soul. Living, breathing creature.

Since when are angels sexual beings?

@blakedorsett4359

2 жыл бұрын

Regarding the attraction: Not sure what their attraction to women was but it could have been a lot of things. God made mankind in His image so there are a lot of very attractive things to us that I'm sure we don't even realize. Regarding the conception: Angels can do a lot of things that are supernatural. It's not that odd to think they could impregnate human beings by their supernatural abilities. I'm sure they could cause a watermelon to give birth to a pickle if God allowed them them and they wanted to.

Divine beings or heavenly beings?

@JonathanFrederick23

3 ай бұрын

both means the same

@user-wy9og6fj4p

3 ай бұрын

@@JonathanFrederick23 Angels are beings but created beings who minister in the heavenly sphere (and elsewhere too) but Divine beings are not created and are the members of the Godhead. This they are not the same

@JonathanFrederick23

3 ай бұрын

@@user-wy9og6fj4p I don't agree with you

@user-wy9og6fj4p

3 ай бұрын

@@JonathanFrederick23 Why not? Please give me an answer from Scripture.

Sons of God are always angels in the old testament.

@JohnYoder-vi1gj

4 ай бұрын

I suppose if one were to just concentrate on a couple of words within the verses one could mistake Giants to mean tall men. Moreso when one tries to add the idea that the Sons of God to mean angels and that there was some hybrid of men and angels that had caused tall men to be born aka giants. But the surrounding verses give a different conclusion to this idea. Genesis 6 is talking about men not angels. It doesn’t say angels. You are accepting the false idea that angels can have relations with women. If you think that the sons of God were angels then you are not considering Hebrews 1 which states: For to which of the angels did God ever say, "You are my Son; today I have become your Father " ? Or again, "I will be his Father, and he will be my Son" ? Meaning he never said that any of the angels were his sons so that kills your theory. As for the verses in Genesis 6 it states in the first verse that MEN began to multiply and that they had fair-looking daughters in verse two, of which were noticed by the sons of God. Given that believers or followers of God are also described as sons we can likely assume that they are referring to those who chose to follow God. Another clue is that they took from these women, WIVES. So let’s paint a picture for a moment if they were angels. To take someone to wife must mean that they LIVED in a matrimonial household. If it were a one-night stand I think it would have said so. Therefore, are we to imagine that certain angels with the powers they possess married human women who then had to plow the field, tend the animals, raise the children, etc? Sounds very unlikely. Verse 3 already shows something of God’s displeasure limiting their time on earth and that his spirit won’t always strive with man it could be because the sons of God should have chosen from their own rank or group as opposed to those who are the daughters of men. But that of course is debatable. Verse 4 is where we read about giants but if we read the rest of the verse it keeps describing these men as those who “BECAME mighty men which were of old, men of renown.” Meaning it took time for them to become legends or mighty or renowned. Since we all know that we can use the words to describe someone as renowned or great by using the word “giant” (e.g. “he was a giant among men”) it would seem to fit perfectly with the rest of the words making this same description. God continues to reveal his displeasure in that men are wicked all the time in verse 5 and states he repented making man in verses 6 and 7. So it would seem God was unhappy with MEN when they were choosing their wives and after more men were born from this union. But if there were male angels taking women as wives then shouldn’t they and only the women be punished and not all men? Therefore the logical conclusion is that they are referring to certain men regarded as the sons of God and that the word giants can and does have another meaning.

I can't believe you ended the shilling for the cooties. Wow!

Dr Heiser never claimed the sons of God were angels. The sons of God were Imagers of God. Not angels. They were created to serve Yahweh but turned on him and became evil.

Deu. 32:8 (KJV) ……sons of Adam (Sept.)…….sons of Adam (ASV)…….children of Israel

@Real_LiamOBryan

2 жыл бұрын

I'm very interested, what is your point here? I don't remember, did the episode mention Deuteronomy 32:8? Are you saying that the Sons of God in Genesis 6 are the line of Adam, or the line of Seth? You've piqued my interest.

(30:37) where in scripture does it say, Jesus won't be MARRIED, or having sex in heaven? ---- that's just another assumption. ----- HERDSMAN III OLD III

You talk at the same time

"Where ya been, homie?" "Hey, bro!" How dare you characterize God as talking to Satan this away?! This is appalling! You should be ashamed.

THERE ARE.... MANY GODS....!!!! >>> AND THE GODS CAME DOWN IN THE FORM OF MEN HOST OF HEAVEN CANNOT BE NUMBERED

In The Old Testament - sons of God - Adopted, Faithful, Burnt offerings and animal sacrifices shed blood (Old Covenant) foreshadowing and looking forward the sacrifice of Jesus and His shed blood (New Covenant) sons of God - Israel Gods chosen People and a Mosaic Covenant and the Law sons of God - Title for Davidic Kings (Psalm 2) that lead to King Jesus and His Throne sons of God - (Supposedly also for) Righteous Men like the Patriarchs that present Burnt offerings and animal sacrifices in Faith...Faith of the Fathers In New Testament - Son of God - Jesus because God was literally his Father in the sense that God is the one who caused his life to start in his Mother’s womb as opposed to Joseph (Luke 1:35, Adam is also called God’s son in chapter 3 and the Genealogy line in Genesis 5, this Line also leads to Jesus found in Luke 3 Son of God - The Davidic King who is Jesus, the coming King son of God - Anyone who believes in Jesus, His sacrifice on the Cross and the Resurrection (Gospel) and his words and has a “new” birth into a new life based on it, born again as well as adopted, awaiting inheritance and the Kingdom of King Jesus

6 finger discount. L😝L

@theologymatters5127

2 жыл бұрын

Lol, so bad😁

What you guys missed was the Sons of God taught men, secrets of Heaven, divination, how to make weapons, mind altering drugs, depravity etc. . This is the bigger picture that the mixing caused, not to mention DNA which caused mixed beings. ( the Devil was trying to get mankind wiped out.) I believe when it said Noah was perfect, the bigger meaning was his tribe did not have the mixed DNA with the sons of God and his line was more pure. Anyrate this I think is the bigger story telling picture that is aimed at.

@graftme3168

2 жыл бұрын

This is so not true. If you are getting this from the book of Enoch, it is a fraud. The book contradicts scripture. For one thing, the Bible says that creatures produce after their own kind. It's not possible for humans and angels to produce offspring. Do you see two different kinds of creatures producing offspring today? No. The book of Enoch says angels built the ark, but the Bible says that Noah built the ark. The book of Enoch says that angels taught men to make the axe, but the timing in the book of Enoch is after the axe was already being used, according to the Bible. The book of Enoch is a fraud. Jude does not say that angels had sex with humans. It says they left their proper habitation, and in like manner, men left their proper habitation by having sex with men. It does not say that angels had sex with humans. It is completely contrary to the fixed laws that God put in place and cannot be altered, even by angels! It specifically says that the sons of God were MEN of renown. NOT angel/human. It ticks me off that these guys, and others, are adding what isn't there? Jude does not say that angels had sex with humans. He says they left their proper habitation, and in like manner, men left their proper "place" by having sex with other men. It does not say angels had sex with humans. Saying that angels will die like men is also ridiculous. They are spirit! No flesh and blood involved. The book of Enoch is a fraud! It contradicts the Bible!

@graftme3168

2 жыл бұрын

It seems ridiculous to think that a spiritual being had physical seed to produce offspring with a physical being. God tells us one of His natural laws is that every creature produces after its own kind. I don't see any half animal/half human!

Angels are not Sons of God. “For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, This day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, And he shall be to me a Son?” ‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭1:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬ You’re limiting the truth because you’re holding to tradition doctrines. I do not agree that in job it is referencing angels. Because the concept of appearing themselves before God is revealed in the law. “Three times in the year all thy males shall appear before the Lord GOD.” ‭‭Exodus‬ ‭23:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬ What Sons of God are is revealed in John “But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.” ‭‭John‬ ‭1:12-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬ Sons of God are born of God. Sons of God are those who walk in spirit and not in flesh. Genesis is referring to man who stay as flesh who have no law who have no conscience of Good and evil and the sons of God are those who have conscience of sin who are born again. The problem was being born again and falling back into the flesh. That’s what New Testament teaches. Everything I said is consistent if understood as man. But this teaching is saying that sons of God are angels in the Old Testament and in the New Testament it means something different. How is the same word having two meanings. This is not true.

@mrgeorge1888

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, you are getting closer from the truth, Gbu brother.

The thing iI don't understand is that we all bow down to the cannon of scripture do we not? Who canoonized it? Was it the babaylonions? Cause that is what church you speak of when yo speak of roam. the world is flat and laid out because the Word say's so . This is so unbiblical i don't know what would be more so. Am i not Israel i not a son by adoption? Let's see am i a son of the Most High and young men worship a book i worship Jesus Christ the Aleph and the Tav the Fist and the Last . Bow not the knee to roam cause roam wont get you home . The thing that will be the mark has passed in the united States this sat 22 of the month of the month of July.

Giants are of their own race. ------ **I form the light and create darkness:I make peace and create evil 😈: I the Lord do ALL THESE THINGS *** ------- The giants were just present, in the surrounding areas, when SETH, on went into the daughter's of the men created before Adam. Doesn't MEAN... THAT THIS UNION created the giants. ------- SHOW ONE HERO (GIANTS NAME) PRE- FLOOD? AND WHAT DID HE DO, to be a hero, IF, GIANTS ARE WICKED? ------ HERDSMAN III OLD III HERDSMAN III OLD III

"...created his own Son of God?" Yikes! Fellas! I wanted to say, "Good treatment," but, man, oh man, there is so much poor language on casual and technical levels. You can lose the God saying, "homie," stuff, etc. Cringeworthy. But on a lighter, funnier note, speaking of six fingered men... "argumentation?" "You keep using that word... I do not think it means what you think it means." To bolster your point, the supernatural/spirit view 'popularized' by Dr. Heiser has not only been held by many Jews, as you address, it's also the oldest of the relevant views.

(36:22) Adam **SON OF GOD** = Luke 3:38 = mortal man. ----- Seth, on... = *** SON'S OF GOD*** from ADAMs DNA CHAIN ⛓ = mortal men. ----' took to themselves the daughter's of the mortal men created before Adam. ------ HERDSMAN III OLD III

@mrgeorge1888

2 жыл бұрын

Wait... created before Adam???

@oscardavis7796

2 жыл бұрын

@@mrgeorge1888 Daughter's, of the men, created **BEFORE** Adam. ------ HERDSMAN III OLD III

@mrgeorge1888

2 жыл бұрын

@@oscardavis7796 wrong, Adam was the first immortal man, the son of God. Read Gen 2 : 5 there is no vegetation before man. And vegetation was created in the 3th day of creation, and then God created mortal human in the 6th day (Gen 1 : 26 - 27). You got it backword, brother. And please don't say any bad things about our Lord Jesus. Gbu still

@oscardavis7796

2 жыл бұрын

@@mrgeorge1888 ADAM was the FIRST immortal *** SON OF GOD *** in the Garden of Eden. ----- NOT... OF THE EARTH 🌎! ------ What do I have that's backwards? ----- 1. Adam in the Garden of Eden ALONE. 2. THEN animals ** NO FISH ** 3. EVE. 4 CURSED TO MULTIPLY ✖ ----- Pretty straight forward if you follow scripture. ---- HERDSMAN III OLD III

@mrgeorge1888

2 жыл бұрын

@@oscardavis7796 Gen 2 : 5, on the 3rd day still there was no vegetation, God created Adam in the garden of Eden, then animals, then Eve, then on the 6th day God created human male and female. From these people came out " the daughters of man" (Gen 6 : 1 - 4), these people also were the one that Cain affraid of (Gen 4 : 14), and these people was the one that God felt regret to ever created so they all vanished already during the flood. But their DNA could still in our people today through 3 daughters in law of Noah. So we all people, not just christian, are the sons and daughters of God by nature, not by belief as the decendents of Adam. Please brother, don't be so prought of yourself, you are still lack of understanding though you are much better than most people. Keep studying the scripture and pray and ask for understanding. I promise you the truth will blow your mind joyfully. Gbu always

***SON'S OF GOD*** = ADAM = ***CREATED IN GODS~ IMAGE~ BY GOD HIMSELF, AND SETH, on..( pre- flood) = LUKE 3 38 = MIGHTY MEN ~ MEN OF RENOWN. ----- SAME *** SON'S OF GOD*** IN JOB ----- WHY CAN'T the Sons of SETH, in their SPIRITUAL LIFE FORM, stand before God? ---- That's so frigging lame, to think that they can't. ----- HERDSMAN III OLD III

(30:49) Why would GOD, give angels, a sexual working body, and it would be an unnatural act for them, to use those features? ----- Do you realize how LAME, THAT STATEMENT IS? ----- HERDSMAN III OLD III

@blakedorsett4359

2 жыл бұрын

Angels can do a lot of things we can't even begin to understand. I am sure they don't have to have physical intercourse to impregnant. It would obviously be a supernatural conception.

@oscardavis7796

2 жыл бұрын

@@blakedorsett4359 Do they pee, with the sexual organ? ----- HERDSMAN III OLD III

@blakedorsett4359

2 жыл бұрын

@@oscardavis7796 I don't think they have sexual organs.

@oscardavis7796

2 жыл бұрын

@@blakedorsett4359 Then how are giants created by fallen angels? ------

@blakedorsett4359

2 жыл бұрын

@@oscardavis7796 they are supernatural beings that can do things we can't do like possess, turn staffs into snakes like in exodus (remember the two Egyptian magicians who used demonic power), and etc. I am sure they can get a woman pregnant through some sort of demonic power. I mean God allowed Mary to conceive by the power of the Holy Spirit. We see that pregnancy can happen by means outside of physical intimacy.

Gore before the content. Yuke. And your slang is offensive lacking reverence, bringing "Words" to a ground level. This podcast is valuable but the occasional "slap of slang" erases the follow. . "Snobby version???!!" Who are you trying to insult, were your grandparents, etc., very conservative in bible search? Some still are. Are people in their perspective in your "snobby smartassy & sloppy yours" ? We are sincere in our search. Who are you trying to please? What does New Testament say about "jokes ", and in psychology? Please keep it in the flow of "respect".! But..... Thank you.

SON'S OF GOD, DID NOT TAKE the daughter's of Cain, but the daughter's of the me, that were created before Adam and Eve. --- Cain took his wife from the daughter's of the men created before Adam. ----- HERDSMAN III OLD III

So your saying that the *SON'S OF GOD* ARE DEVINE BEINGS, presenting themselves before the Lord, with Satan present, but you also say that the SON'S OF GOD are fallen angels that had sex with women to create the giants. ---- How can the * SON'S OF GOD* be fallen angels, then, they become, *DEVINE*???? ---- WHERE'S THE COMMON SENSE, in this case? ------ HERDSMAN III OLD III