Thank you for making a clear and concise explanation to counter all of the fan theory that so often gets taken and republished as fact. I do wish more people realized that Forever’s story started as a Returns follow up and that there’s a darker movie in the theatrical cut trying to surface. Hopefully one day WB will allow the release of the longer version reputedly sitting in their vault.

@evanzaremba4722

2 жыл бұрын

There's a petition for the Schumacher cut of Batman Forever. Would you like to sign it?

@DamnFoolIdealisticCrusader

2 жыл бұрын

@@evanzaremba4722 Where is it? I’ve started several with the last one being just before the release of the UHD.

@evanzaremba4722

2 жыл бұрын

@@DamnFoolIdealisticCrusader you'll find it. On Twitter, eventually.

@JDoe-gf5oz

Жыл бұрын

@@evanzaremba4722 Is it a workprint?

I've wanted to know about this movie for YEARS

@evanzaremba4722

Жыл бұрын

That's why Burton's Batman 3 was just a rumor.

The rumors surrounding this movie are insane haha! Robin, Riddler, Mad Hatter, Scarecrow, Billy Dee Williams as Two Face, I’ve heard that Superman was going make an appearance to set up Superman Lives. According to a rumors this was going to be a very stuffed film lol. It’s fun to think about, but obviously it wasn’t the case

@evanzaremba4722

2 жыл бұрын

These are definitely rumors.

Burton's batman 3 has become it's some myth and legend. As they say, why let the truth get in the way of a good story

@evanzaremba4722

2 жыл бұрын

That's right. Warner Bros said to Tim Burton " Tim, don't you want to make a film like Pee-Wee's Big Adventure?" And he said to them" You won't want me to do another one, would you?" And that's why Burton hired his friend Joel Schumacher to direct the third film after they had lunch.

I think it Tim Burton had directed the third film Johnny Depp probably Would be been cast as the villain.

Awesome - there's so much hyperbole around Burton's third when it really doesn't amount to much more than the original screenwriters meeting with him one time.

@evanzaremba4722

2 жыл бұрын

After he hired Joel Schumacher to direct the third Batman film, he met with The Batchelors and both Burton and Schumacher hire them to pen the screenplay.

Lot has been said about Tim Burton’s third Batman film and it’s nice to know the reality of what it was going to probably look like as opposed to just taking all the rumors at face value. Great video man!

@evanzaremba4722

Жыл бұрын

And I believe what Ben and Andrew said that Burton's Batman 3 didn't exist.

The Batman 89 comic was awesome!! That would have made a perfect Batman 3!

Ok, so what exactly was the reason that Burton stepped down as director?? I was under the impression that WB told him to step down because McDonald’s was uncomfortable with the Penguin puking up green slime and they couldn’t sell happy meal toys like that 🤷‍♂️

@evanzaremba4722

2 жыл бұрын

And I'm right that WB didn't want Burton to do another one and there's no script for the third film yet.

@nsasupporter7557

2 жыл бұрын

@@evanzaremba4722 yes, I know that WB didn’t want him to do another 1.

@evanzaremba4722

2 жыл бұрын

@@nsasupporter7557 that's right. He wanted to do a Catwoman spin off instead, which went into development hell after it until 2004.

@ravensthatflywiththenightm7319

Жыл бұрын

Supposedly WB also did that because people were bitching about the "sexual" content of Batman Returns... But if that was the case why did they OK the bat nipples, bat asses, the glowing in the dark dildo-mobile, Meridian Chase's gropey harassment behavior, and Jim Carrey grabbing his crotch?

@nsasupporter7557

Жыл бұрын

@@ravensthatflywiththenightm7319 good point

If I could, I would combine the Batman Forever we have now with some of the original ideas that people think came from Burton. I would have kept Carrey and O’Donnell as Riddler and Robin respectively, I would have had Rene Russo as Chase Meridian and I would have brought back Keaton and Billy Dee Williams as their respective characters (Kilmer did a great job and Jones was entertaining but I would have preferred to have those two comeback especially since seeing Billy Dee as Two Face would have been awesome).

@evanzaremba4722

Жыл бұрын

Tim didn't have ideas for the third Batman film at the time.

Great Video Mate 👍 Looking over all these ideas considered for a third Batman film, it seems that Riddler was all but destined to be the main villain [Robin Williams or not] as the Studio seemed to have made the choice of villains based on their popularity in the 60s Adam West Show [Joker and Penguin were also no questions studio mandates and Catwoman was well known]. The secondary villain could of been Two-Face but as Billy Dee's star wasn't shining too bright, His return was a maybe [Harvey Dent was supposed to appear in Returns but was cut to trim down the cast], it seems likely however that another villain could of filled the role of seconds so who knows. Catwoman's return seems unlikely given the plans for a spin-off film which continued in production even after Burton left [given it came out 12 years later as the god awful Halley Berry Film it should of died with Burton's departure]. Robin was never showing up as long as Burton was around as He hated the character, having previously used Batman 89's budget blot and Returns large cast to cut the character [Burton seems to have written The "Kid" part in Returns' early drafts simply to appease Studios until He could find a way to cut the character, at least Marlon Wayan still gets payed residues for signing up for the role 🙂] The story is anyone's guess, as Burton seems to have only stayed on the Batman Forever production team to pass on the torch and give minor opinions [I doubt He would of independently come up with focusing on Batman's duality as He never really explored Bruce Wayne/Batman in either of His films, seemed to just see Him as a dark vaguely edgy character repressed by decades of morality codes, hence His Batman kills]. In high sight, I think it's unfortunate that Schumacher's films turned out the way they did, He clearly had a lot of good ideas but wasn't able to challenge the Studio like Burton, and was forced into making campy nonsensical films aimed at selling toys [though He could of cut all the weird Sexual stuff like the Bat Nips, those where Schumacher's idea]. A third Burton film would of been great to see, even though I'm personally not a die hard fan of them, but I do think obsessing over it after 30 years isn't worth, we have since had the Dark Knight Trilogy and Matt Reeves Batman, I think that a good enough amount of Batman [Can't wait to see the Penguin and Batman Part 2, hope their great!]

Great video!!

Hopefully tim Burton batman 3 can possibly happen considering Michela Keaton is back as Batman in the new flash.

@evanzaremba4722

Жыл бұрын

Well, WB only let Tim produce the third one, and Tim let Joel direct the third.

@avace917

Жыл бұрын

I'm gonna guess this comment was from before The Flash came out. It's apparently the biggest WB/DC movie flop of all time

@evanzaremba4722

Жыл бұрын

@@avace917 Only The Flash.

@avace917

Жыл бұрын

@@evanzaremba4722 right but the main highlight of the movie is Keaton's Batman. Now of course that's not why the movie did badly at the box office. But the fact is even Keaton's appearance couldn't save it, so I sincerely doubt WB will even bother getting Burton and Keaton for another movie. Of course I could be totally wrong

@evanzaremba4722

Жыл бұрын

@@avace917 I see.

Brad Douriff as the Joker is something i wish i saw . 😭

love ya videos

The only thing that was not made clear was whose idea was to introduce "Kiss From A Rose" as OST.

THANK THE LORDS!!!! I am sick in tired of videos and websites involving Burton's Batman III. And I'm glad someone took the time and resources to shut everyone up. There was no script, no casting, no costume tests, and the concept art for Robin online was for Schunacher's Batman Forever. There was even a toy prototype based on this early concept art with spiked 90s hair. Rene Russo was for Schumacher's Batman and not Burton's. Even if Williams was considered was casted, he still would've turned it down after being heartbroken for WB backstabbing him as Joker. The only unmade Burton Batman movie people never talk about was the Catwoman spinoff from 1995.

@zacharyjacksonbrownart7965

2 жыл бұрын

Good thing we tackled the unmade Catwoman movie on another episode! m.kzread.info/dash/bejne/Zn5m2sioqtq2dLw.html

@evanzaremba4722

2 жыл бұрын

That's right.

I never bought the whole Robin Williams as the Riddler thing. There's no evidence it was ever anything more than a vague casting idea. They certainly never sealed the deal.

@evanzaremba4722

2 жыл бұрын

It was due to a salary dispute. That's why Schumacher cast Jim Carrey as The Riddler.

@ender7278

Жыл бұрын

@@evanzaremba4722 You got a source for that?

@evanzaremba4722

Жыл бұрын

@@ender7278 superhero stuff you should know.

@ender7278

Жыл бұрын

@@evanzaremba4722 More specifically? Video? Timestamp?

@evanzaremba4722

Жыл бұрын

@@ender7278 right.

Just another example of how the Internet thinks that fact and rumor are one and the same.

@evanzaremba4722

Жыл бұрын

That's why Screenrant was wrong.

I want to start off by saying that I really appreciate you sending me the link to this video. As much as I wish those rumors were true, I had to watch this a few times to accept the fact that it's not lol. Sounds silly but that's how I did it. I appreciate you informing us. However the 89 comic is definitely the closest to a third Tim Burton film that we're ever going to get and the Flash is a good film sequel to Returns. Looking forward to Keaton coming back. You of course know everything I think based on the comment in the last video, but I will say that if Burton did return for a third movie, we're certain that Keaton and Wayans would have been in it for Batman and Robin and maybe Pfeiffer as Catwoman. Who knows really. I do have a favor. Is there a way to send me a link to that Riddler book that you mentioned? If so, please and thank you. The cast that we thought was Burton's idea, I am curious how he would have utilized all those actors in those roles. Aside from Keaton and Pfeiffer obviously.

@SuperHousePodcast

2 жыл бұрын

You can check out the Batman Enigma comic here: twitter.com/EnigmaBatman In an interesting contrast, it has Riddler and Scarecrow, while the Batman 89 comic mainly focuses on Dent's transformation into Two-Face. Think it just goes to show how difficult it'd be to actually put all the rumored cast of characters in one film.

@Terminatorfan-2016

2 жыл бұрын

@@SuperHousePodcast It was probably obvious lol but thank you so much. And I do agree. It would have been character overload. If Burton were to make a third one, I feel like he would have used two-face. But who knows really.

@evanzaremba4722

2 жыл бұрын

@@SuperHousePodcast I looked at those. And I'll get the Batman 89 comic book as a graphic novel one day.

I feel like batman forever was so close to being a great batman movie, schumacher had a great concept but just like josstice league the studio execs had to open their mouths.

What do you mean you don't wanna show up in court with a question mark shaved into your head?

@evanzaremba4722

2 жыл бұрын

It was not Tim Burton's idea. It was Jim Carrey's idea.

@ender7278

Жыл бұрын

@@evanzaremba4722 I never said it was Burton's idea.

@evanzaremba4722

Жыл бұрын

@@ender7278 I know that. Carrey never did that whole question mark shaved to his head was a stupid idea.

Thank you for this video. I am sick and tired of speculative vids about Burton's Batman 3 circulating on KZread.

@evanzaremba4722

2 жыл бұрын

Me too.

can yall do a debuked to christopher nolans batman dark knight rises where rumors the riddler was gonna be the main villain, anna hathway catwoman suit originally had the full mask n it were also rumors that brittany murphy was gonna play harley quinn but sad she died 2009

Well done.

More rumours to debunk? The Batman Triumphant script that's floating around online that is clearly just fanfiction due to it not lining up with the details we've heard.

@SuperHousePodcast

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comment. We replied to this in our latest episode: kzread.info/dash/bejne/X5egq5uaaLbQgLg.html

Honestly, this is JUST MY OPINION, but I think Jim Carrey would’ve been good as the Riddler if Tim Burton directed the third Batman. If you watch him in Cable Guy, Series of Unfortunate Events etc. Carrey definitely can pull off dark characters with a demented, twisted sense of humor.

good, debunk it some more.

Oh ok wow smfh that's crazy I heard of the rumor and assume that it was real u was right I feel stupid smh I always thought that it was real smh thanks for the insight that's crazy

@SuperHousePodcast

Жыл бұрын

No worries. The Internet's led to a lot of misconceptions on these things and that's why we do what we do. Thanks for watching and commenting!

If only u guys could interview Tim burton himself to discuss where his version of Batman 3 would entail that would answer a lot of questions; fun fact: Tim burton was never really all that keen on bringing in robin ( even tho he was already cast) cause he felt that would take the mystique of the character.

If what you say is true, than they should've left the franchise as it is after batman returns

@JDoe-gf5oz

Жыл бұрын

Why? Forever made bank and the character is still profitable to this day. Would you just leave big money laying on the table like that?

@silverstrike5904

Жыл бұрын

@@JDoe-gf5oz because the film is ridiculous

@JDoe-gf5oz

Жыл бұрын

@@silverstrike5904 Someone's jealous of the best Batman movie.

@silverstrike5904

Жыл бұрын

@@JDoe-gf5oz it wasn't needed

@JDoe-gf5oz

Жыл бұрын

@@silverstrike5904 Is any movie actually needed?

@0:25 What's up with the cow udders codpiece? 😂😂😂

Thank God Batman Continues never existed.

@randomguyontheinternet8345

3 ай бұрын

Im honestly curious to what Burton’s Batman 3 could have been. I think a lot of fans are

@evanzaremba4722

3 ай бұрын

@@randomguyontheinternet8345 Tim wasn't planning on doing a third Batman movie.

Not really sure what you are debunking. Because Burton did have plans for what Batman 3 was. Everything else about the movie by fans was just speculation. Theres really nothing to debunk. its a What could have been. Rather than Fact.

cringe

Joel Schumacher's batman sucks...... I wish we gotten Tim Burton's Batman 3 it would of been so much better then Batman Forever and B&R and Nolan's lame trilogy.........

Warner never Went with Kilmer and Carey instead of Keaton and Williams, they had to go with them, as Keaton and Williams turned the roles down due to the campy childish tone.

I prefer Chris O' Donnell as Robin/ Dick Grayson not Marlon Wayans who is a awful actor, Robin is supposed to be a Caucasian superhero. Why a black Robin?

Imagine depending on so called information such as this and 'correct people' Insane, I know.