You should trailer it to a Ferrari dealer and ask for a health check. The reaction would be worth the journey 😂😂😂

@andrewnewsome1110

2 жыл бұрын

That would soooo funny?? Maybe even book it in for a Classiche Certification?

@hoseajorge5083

2 жыл бұрын

🤌🤌🤌

Let me guess the owner has had it for years but wouldn’t sell it as he’s restoring it next week 😂😂

@graham6229

2 жыл бұрын

Nice wheels

@slasher9883

2 жыл бұрын

Don't lowball him, he knows what he has got!

@berwhaletheavenger

2 жыл бұрын

@@slasher9883 GONNA DO IT UP ONE DAY M8

@blacksquirrel4008

2 жыл бұрын

How many times have I heard that? Too damn many: VW Type 181, Series II Land Rover, 1953 Chevy pickup, MGA. Etc.

@marcryvon

2 жыл бұрын

@@graham6229 To me, the only suitable wheels on a Ferrari. Yes, I'm an old, conservative geezer. So what, right ?

HOLY COW !! that is the car and WOW its got so much worse, it was really quite bad at the time but was on the verge of potentially being saved. This though is crazy how much more its rotten out since.

Plenty to salvage on this car...gauges, wheels, probably brake calipers, trim, seats, console, dash, shifter, switch gear, door handles, door cards, quite a few items. door glass, quarter glass, windshield.

Back in the 1970s, the joke here in Canada used to be that the British invented rust, and then licensed the process to the Italians, which was where the Japanese copied it from. 😆

@auchenshoogle7233

10 ай бұрын

And Lucas electrics invented darkness.

I recon at some point that car has been in a damp shed near the coast (with salt in the air), condensation can wreak havoc. I pulled a Jag XJ6 out a garage years ago, been in there 30 odd years, drove in fine in the 70's and was just left (death in the family from memory ?), then the garage roof started leaking and was never fixed, it was so rotten it nearly broke in two when we tried to pull it out, the garage held the damp in the car even on dry days for decades, was a real shame, had been a lovely pale blue series 1 car with a manual box : (

According to the Ferrari owner's club register, third edition, (1987), chassis number14574 was not listed. There is a section for 308 GT/4's with unknown chassis numbers, but I would need the name or number plate with that. There is '14572' & '14578', which were 'T' registrations, there is a '15474' with a 'V' reg.

If I owned this car I'd do exactly as you said, put it in a glass box and sell it as an art installation, it'd probably fetch 100k!

This looks like a vehicle that's been under water at some point in its life. Being indoors in a damp environment can be worse than being outside. A 246 Dino, the earlier shape one, was found in a similar condition up here in Fife a few years back. The story with it went, the old boy who owned it had been getting chased by the police one night so had hidden the car at the back of his garage under blankets and tarps and it had been forgotten about and left for decades until the place was sold and the kids had to clear it out.

The worst rust I have ever seen and yet it's still worth more than my best vehicle. lol

@Number27

2 жыл бұрын

😄😄😄😄😄

@toddlerj102

2 жыл бұрын

I would think a full keyset an locks would be worth a bit.

@tihspidtherekciltilc5469

2 жыл бұрын

Same. Worth more than my last five added together.

@sportmphhughes614

2 жыл бұрын

@Dominick The two cars are from the pen of the same man, Gandini, and both are wonderful.

@davidmacdonald1695

2 жыл бұрын

@Dominick Harsh. Those Citroen’s are very interesting. I think this hulk could become an art exhibit.

That is what Harrys Fulvia would have looked like before it was covered in filler :-)

@aneilpatel2423

2 жыл бұрын

You mean Harrys Morris Marina

@simonhanlon7518

2 жыл бұрын

@@aneilpatel2423 kzread.info/dash/bejne/fX5llLyqgsizcto.html

@stefansworld3351

2 жыл бұрын

My first thought when I saw this car!

Hi Jack. Love this video. I'm from West Lancashire originally, a few miles inland from Southport. I remember a white 308GT4 being around Southport in the mid 80s. From what I remember I'd see it all year round and it was very often parked on the promenade. Back then we all used to say, "Never buy a Southport car, it'll turn into a teabag!"

Beyond saving.............................Arther Tussik enters the building

"If the rust doesn't get you, the wiring surely will"...which means that Ferrari must've had really good wiring

@leeaw1638

2 жыл бұрын

The wiring might be holding what's left together!

Totally get the Grandeur in decay thing! And have a similar fascination with it, especially the Titanic. Really enjoyed this episode Jack!

@Number27

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks dude and good to see others share my passions!!

Me: It's a complete shed! Seller: Nah, lovely bit of genuine patina - nothing to worry about!

@malfunction8165

2 жыл бұрын

Like an old pair of shoes

@nathansealey6270

2 жыл бұрын

Lol, yes & one owner from new & dry stored

@malfunction8165

2 жыл бұрын

@@nathansealey6270 One lady owner, Miss Daisey, the other 20 owners were lunatics

@ceesklumper

2 жыл бұрын

Duct tape

@abuhamza1970

2 жыл бұрын

It’ll buff out. Just give it a T-cut and it’ll come out lovely

Jack, your entire channel is a not only a story, but it's also a journey. Love it. Cheers!:)

I'd like to solve the puzzle. From the mid 1970's through the early 80's, there was a steel shortage from Italy's usual suppliers, Sheffield England and USA. They started having to buy bad steel from Turkey which mostly went on their foreign shipped cars. Many (but not all) Ferraris, Fiats and Alfa's were made of this low quality Turkish steel which rusted out fast.

@turistomer3702

2 жыл бұрын

I was born and brought up in Istanbul which has a climate similar to that of new York and never ever saw Turkish cars rot like this and I am assuming they too were made from the same steel, and it is also common knowledge that Italians were buying steel from the Russians and it was rumoured that they were being extracted from sunken ww2 wrecks!

@scottnathanphoto

2 жыл бұрын

@@turistomer3702 It wasn't about the climate. It was a particular period of poorly manufactured steel that Fiat, Alfa, Ferrari etc. purchased. A well documented issue. The markets deemed "lesser" got those cars, the markets they deemed more important, British steel.

@lewis040

2 жыл бұрын

I have one. Wasn’t it Soviet steel they were buying at that time? For Fiats. I have no idea if mine has the steel in it. But it’s still looking good today. Kept wrapped up and undercover. Really interesting video to see what can happen if left in the elements. Mine is same colour interior. Blue and black, didn’t know blue if faded. Looks the same as this one’s.

@scottnathanphoto

2 жыл бұрын

@@lewis040 Blue brings the green. All shades of blue are the top performers at auctions these days.

@Yaaayishere

2 жыл бұрын

@@lewis040 I heard it was Russian, they swapped tractors for it. I had an '82 308 which would rust at the sight of water.

Lots of people here wondering how a Ferrari could have ended up in this condition, but in the early 1990s these, the Mondial and 400 weren't sought after at all. They were still very expensive to maintain and could be had relatively cheaply... as a result, they were generally laid up a lot and had very low mileage. I remember being offered a 400 in reasonable condition for around £3,500 back then and thinking it wasn't worth the money because of the expense baggage that would come with it (!)

@davidorama6690

2 жыл бұрын

The Mondial is one of my fave Ferraris. Even today it’s frowned upon by many, which gives me hope…

Sad to see but we still are lucky to have people like you, Harry, Tyrell and his artists, and some Rustortoasta guy.

I've seen several cars that have been kept at coastal locations which have looked worse than that after even ten years.

@mylittleviking4235

2 жыл бұрын

I can vouch for that, after living on the North Wales coast for 14 years (just before emigrating to the States) my cars and motorbikes would rust so bloody quickly. I swear in the winter with the added salt on the road, you could actually see the rust creeping along destroying my poor cars and bikes. Now I have to worry about the heat fading the paint and cracking the dash, not to mention the insects and rodents eating wiring etc and making homes in air boxes etc.

Jack. I think you'll find a lot of that will buff out leaving some beautiful patina.

@timbutton4990

2 жыл бұрын

ERR no leaving a beautiful pile of rust & 4 wheels

Another great video Jack and what a fantastic story! A basket case example of the 'unloved' Ferrari, but the 308GT4 has always been my favourite. Back in the early '80s I used to walk past a silver one with a red interior on my way to work, I loved it's Bertone styling and I always stopped to have a look at it, even as the Ferrari you weren't supposed to like it still looked exotic next to the Fiestas and Sierras that surrounded it. One of Gandini's best with elements of his own Stratos design, particularly around the C pillars and air intakes, and it's often forgotten that it was a tweaked version of the first Lamborghini Urraco prototype of 1970 which Ferruccio Lamborghini rejected, the design was picked off the shelf at Bertone as the basis for the 246's replacement in 1973. I'm certainly biased but for me there isn't a bad line, angle or proportion on it anywhere. Let's hope with this one someone manages to salvage the interior and put it to good use.... ;-)

@abctab3129

2 жыл бұрын

I Love the Urraco ,so similar kind of car...

I bet Fitzee's Fabrications could rebuild this 😀

@pgtmr2713

2 жыл бұрын

Yep that's what I was thinking as I was seeing this thing.

@StevesMachines

2 жыл бұрын

@@pgtmr2713 I love watching that guy work.

@pgtmr2713

2 жыл бұрын

Not that we'd want to torture him unnecessarily. Passion projects like this require the passion.

Interesting video Jack and as people's comments, some value in the wheels and interior worth salvation. The reason why the Ratarossa BB survived, is because that most of it's body panels are aluminum...

It begs the question, 'when is a car no longer a car?'

Loving the content Jack, really interesting to see cars like this with a story. And what a bonus that Scott knew a bit about it too.

No, no, no! You have failed to realize that what you have found is the fabled Ferrari 308 GT4 Ultra-Legerra. They started life as a normal 308 GT4, and then were acid-dipped. Unfortunately this one went into the acid bath late on a Friday, and the workers all p*ssed off for the weekend and forgot about it!

"Rustoration project"😂

Im guessing it must have been recovered from the sea, or a lake/river at some point in it's life. Left on a slipway with the handbrake not fully on, or conked out in a deep ford, perhaps. In any case, it's quite amazing.

A good thing it has so much rust otherwise there would be nothing to hold the holes together 🤗😁. Thanks Jack for such an entertaining and enjoyable channel. Regards, Bob M. South Wales

It’s a 70’s Italian car that was clearly made out of that cheap Russian steel that the Italian’s had done deal on. Lancia’s rusted away in few years at the time. The same with Alfa’s.

@justinsheldon5015

2 жыл бұрын

And Lancia Betas. They fizzed with rust on the delivery trucks to the dealers..........

@plumb-bob8597

10 күн бұрын

If you watch Number 27's videos you will see that the whole russian steel saga was just a myth. The rust was down to other factors.

I recall seeing a white gt4 around the Twickenham area in the early 1980s. There were only 547 UK cars and I don't know how many were white. Not my favourite colour but I think these look best in metallic colours anyway. The 308gt4 was the first mid engine V8 Ferrari - so the granddaddy of the 288GTO, F40 and all the modern mid engined cars.

@Number27

2 жыл бұрын

Def best in metallics!! Darker ones!

Ah, Jack... Actually, the air box could possibly be repaired, as the rotten bits seemed to be on the flat parts. A good fabricator might be able to replace those, if the surrounding areas were thick enough to take a weld. Well, maybe not... But somewhere in England there are some well-fed metal termites!

I share your interest in decay and dereliction. As a teenager in the 1980s I regularly did the train journey from Wolverhampton to Birmingham. It was a fascinating picture of large, rusty disused sidings, overgrown canals and huge factory buildings with broken windows etc. There's an eery beauty in that kind of thing.

A parts-car?? IF you only need wheels, glass and a couple of badges! What a crying shame!

The death penalty should be immediately brought back for whomever allowed this to happen

We did actually own this Ferrari GT4 for a year. We had a call in 2014 from a chap who knew we would buy any old Ferrari 308s at the time. He had picked up an old scrap 308 GT4. He told us it was in a really bad way as the previous owner had gone through a divorce and had to hide the car so his wife could not claim it. He had stored it in a barn covered in straw but the straw had been damp and this is what it was like when he eventually went back for it. Anyway we struck a deal and had to forklift the car onto our trailer as even the suspension arms were rusted through so it wouldn't roll. We bought it with the plan to use all the running gear in a 246 replica but none of it was useable and it was not worth the effort and cost to rebuild any of the parts as we had plenty of other cars and parts to use. Over the year we owned it, the prices of anything Ferrari went through the roof so we just sold it on. We have had a few Ferrari 308s and still have one laying in the yard now which is in an even worse state than this one. Just had a look at the pictures from when we collected it and it does look a little worse although the car is sitting a lot straighter in this video so must have patched up the suspension arms.

@andrewnewsome1110

2 жыл бұрын

That is great to hear... the car is dry stored these days, So hopefully it won’t get any worse! Very interesting to hear what caused the rot..

"The rear seats look really good!" Yeah, the most useless part of this car. Sad to see the state of this 308. One of my favourite cars.

If this is '77 or '78 this is the era of Russian high carbon rubbish steel which the Italians were buying very cheaply. It killed the Alfa Sud for example. The rest of Europe suffered too and VW were also a victim. I had a '77 Sirocco which had major rust issues due to this same steel. It seemed to rust from the inside out in huge flakes as can be seen here. Ferrari at this time also rather banged the bodywork of their cars together in a very much home spun way. I guess there is still £2k's worth of spares there even so. Wheels, instruments, etc.

@roby72s

2 жыл бұрын

Can we stop with this rubbish about Russian steel. The steel used in many of the Fiat, Alfa Lancia cars, came from the big plant in Taranto, southern Italy.

@delukxy

2 жыл бұрын

@@roby72s Yes but a lot of the raw metal was scrap steel of all kinds which came from Russia which was melted down and re rolled.

@roby72s

2 жыл бұрын

@@delukxy All bollocks. You believe that 2+2=5, and a man with a dick is woman. Anything can be thrown at you, at you will accept it. Really sad.

Father Ted could sort that with his wee hammer, lol.

@carstenweiland7896

2 жыл бұрын

Yes!

up north in the states because of salt...etc...it's called the rust belt for more than the manufacturing leaving. you can witness see-through metal on many cars but few look that bad to be sure.

@Number27

2 жыл бұрын

Same here.. salt is the killer!

Gr8 video Jack. My October 1978 magazine has the new book price at £16,500. Only things close are the XJs (V12) at £15,150 and Merc SLC 450 at £18,250

@Number27

2 жыл бұрын

WoW.. the SLC was more expensive!! Crazy!!

I’m sure this Ferrari was for sale on eBay some 5-6 years ago and the price was £10000. Great video I like the content 👍

@Number27

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you!!

Don't think I've ever seen such a rusty car, so sad. These are becoming quite sought after now because people have realised that they're actually one of the best driving Ferraris of the era. The Bertone design, like everything they did, has aged really well too.

Mike Brewer hold out ya hand you got a deal.

@Number27

2 жыл бұрын

😄😄😄😄😄😄😄

I've wanted a fully sorted 308GT4 for some time...😊

Great video, I share your love of glorious patina. Sealed in a vacuum filled Perspex container, to stop it completely rusting away, this would be a thing of beauty.

Most 1979 Alfas were like that after 10 years!

Can never understand how somebody can let a car like this deteriorate. Reminds me when I spoke to a car park attendant at a underground car park in Mayfair. He showed me Ferraris from the 70s (under canvas) that rich Arabs had just left there - they still pay the parking fees - but it means nothing to them to leave such cars there for decades.

@Number27

2 жыл бұрын

Yea it’s weird how the really rich live!!

@kilobitti

2 жыл бұрын

I’d guess that when you can afford anything you want, yet it doesn’t significantly affect your wealth, value loses its meaning.

@daveglover6115

2 жыл бұрын

Don't be too quick to judge! Museums like the Peterson have iconic cars just sitting doing nothing. The few 'Arab' owned cars will be sold eventually, unlike the museum sad ones...

I live a few miles from Rothley where Coopers used to be. It ended up being a BMW dealer but is now long gone and a Co op was built in its place. I think they used to sell some exotic stuff as my dads mate test drove an e type there back in the day.

Fab. Helps to explain why values of classics have soared over the past 30 years: it's cost tens of thousands to keep anything vaguely roadworthy. A GT4 when I was a teen was well under £10k rotting, and laughed at. Today's GT4s are £50k and desired. But someone has spent the difference...

The 512 was on tarmac/concrete. The GT4 is on dirt/gravel. Maybe that's the difference? The one got night dew and rain on the top surface, whereas the other got significant moisture from underneath as well.

The whole thing should be dipped in resin to preserve whats left, the worlds biggest paper weight?? Brilliant example of I'm going to around to it!! Sure my step dad would buy this as a 'fixer upper'. Mini cooper in worse condition sold on eBay for £7k in the last 12 months, they're out there!!! Keep it up Jack!!!

Sorry Jack I’m not sure I share your enthusiasm for this particular Ferrari but enjoyed the video regardless

@Number27

2 жыл бұрын

That’s cool! As long as you enjoyed it Phil!

So, are you buying it? Tomato needs a friend, like Asparagus. She may need a bit of TLC.

@Number27

2 жыл бұрын

Oh no… the InfluEnzo is enough!!

I can relate to the enthusiasm you mention as I feel the same way about things that show the passage of time. As to this car, I am not surprised, and expect there may be more of this model around the world in similarly poor states, as these for many years were worth very little, but still cost as much to maintain as a more collectible model.

@Number27

2 жыл бұрын

‘Show the passage of time’ perfect way to express this!

Wow, both horrified and fascinated and at the same time admiring the car. Very good report on it. Amazing how it has its own history and that the story is known about it more or less, albeit a very sad one. Are there any chances of perspective for this car or what is the owner planning to do with it? I never really liked this particular car, but always liked still the fact that it has a V8. Cheers from rainy Belgium.

...so, we buyin' it? Jack, your passion and enthusiasm is just the greatest!

I can imagine it spend a lot of time being parked or driven near the sea

Thank you Jack for the great video.

The Skip behind looks worth more than the Ferrari ... ! 😅

What a great but fascinating story Jack. Brilliant! Vint-tro ✌🏼

Some manufacturers do a cutaway drawing, the Italians used to go one better.

Don’t buy it, the big blue skip at the side of it is in better condition, and worth more, just stick the wheels on that, interesting video Jack, 👍👍.

This FERRARI was made with a surplus of russian steel, also used to make the ALFASUD first series

I was right about the Stratos reference on Insta then ! 😁...part of me was waiting for the "it's a complete wreck.....and that's why I've just bought it"...😁

Your still in the S class i wondered what had happened to it , thank you, cheshire UK

@Number27

2 жыл бұрын

Ah yes using it regularly and update on that coming soon also!

Really enjoying new frequency and content of vids, very good release times, perfect for stopping me before i start the seasonal shit jobs ;)

@Number27

2 жыл бұрын

Ha, thats great to hear buddy, thanks!

Sad. The body's beyond even Fitzee's Fabrications to recover. It might have been kept in a location with a corrosive atmosphere, e.g. downwind of a coal-burning plant, or an oil refinery. The interior might be a source of parts to someone restoring a well-used specimen.

Great content, loving this channel. Makes me piss though when you turn Italian to say Bertone, Pininfarina and Stratos yet you say Ferrari 308 GT4 in your normal accent , you might as well go all out and get the hands going as well 🤌🏻🤌🏻 🤣🤣

Save it! It's calling to you It has the keys It's registered You have the catalog Please save it

@Number27

2 жыл бұрын

Nope.. not me!! It’s too far gone!

England is wet and soggy most of the time. Leaving it outside is a death sentence for it.

Love the Dino. What a shame 😭

1:54 Are we sure it's crossplane?

Jack, since you're fond of giving cars a name, how about calling this rust bucket, Miss Havisham?

Perfect material for Halloween 🎃😊

My Father had one when I was a child (now 57) awesome cars people just didn’t get them which I love, so don’t big them up too much!! One of the best interiors, very cool! I know what you mean about keeping it as art, it’s like a run down stately home beauty in a strange way!! 👍

Congratulations on finding a car in a shitter state than the Tomato! Quite the challenge but you came up trumps!

@Number27

2 жыл бұрын

😁😄😁😄 The Tomato is a great car!!

Wow and I thought my Lancia beta was bad Amazing stuff

Brings back memories of when I owned one. Mine did suffer from rust but not as bad as that.

There was a person that bought expensive and rare oldtimers, drained all the fluids and let them rot in his own park. It was his piece of art, to show how nature will overcome our technology. I bet some of the previous owners got real mad at him. Maybe this would could be interesting for you.

I’m sure a lot of that will come out with some T Cut 🤣 what a shame it’s been left to rot, great vid Jack

There are actually the remains of two air cleaner housings there. The top is just an oblong plate with a lip. Yes it did have aircon; you can see the Borletti knobs ahead of the gear lever. Although the grill has gone you can tell it's a Mk2 Ferrari-badged car as the Dino-badged original cars have air vents on the rear edge of the roof. And by the V5 of course. Is it on a SORN??

I think I know the previous owner……. A mr sponge Bob square pants, address Bikini Bottom 😂😂😂😂

@Number27

2 жыл бұрын

For sure Ryan!! 😄

I don't really know what to make of this. Does the fact it's so rusty but still holding together show how well built it was or does all the rust show how much of a piece of junk it was? These are the questions that keep me up at night. lol

@russcooke5671

2 жыл бұрын

You really should get out more.

New definition of the word ‘preserved’.

Great video Jack, I was at Paul Matty Lotus yesterday, some nice Mk1's, what's happened to yours?

Called a barn find. You're supposed to phone Jonny Smith...😂

Great video...it immediately had me wondering how much they wanted for it. But as your story progressed, it was sadly obvious it could never be resurrected...only preserved as is. Very much like a Bugatti pulled from the bottom of a lake after decades of being there. It now resides, unrestored and as found, in the Mullin Museum in Oxnard California. Would be nice if this could find some value somewhere and not just end up in a crusher.

@Number27

2 жыл бұрын

Im sure it won’t end up on the crusher!!

Interesting to say the least....Weird that there is mystery how the car of such class and cost was left to decay....Looking forward to more info on the said car...Excellant video again.....

@Number27

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks chap!!’

Comes to my home county, no cakes, no coffee, nothing. ☹ Mind you, all that rust I hate hoovering, so as you were.

@Number27

2 жыл бұрын

Dude!! I’d didn’t even realise that’s where you lived 😁😁😁

@housey4297

2 жыл бұрын

@@Number27 Some epic roads around me too :)

I’m pretty sure that car was caught on the beach and the ride came in. The salt water just ate it up. Btw, in the 70’s they were shipped by boat and many cars arrived with rust already starting on the frames and bumpers. Good luck sir✌🏻

Love the film .Thanks Jack .

@Number27

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching Keith!

It's incredible to see that a ferrari has been left to rot like this, pretty sad! Although I guess there was a point where these dinos weren't worth that much pretty sad none the less! Also what external mic do you use and what editing software if you don't mind me asking?

…………… so, where are you going to put it then?🤔

@Number27

2 жыл бұрын

Ha!!! Nooooooo

Reminds me of a 3 year old Alfasud.

@Graham_Langley

2 жыл бұрын

Had a company hand-me-down Mk1 Sud back in the early 80s. It had been 'rustproofed' but was rusting from around the bungs they'd put in after injecting the stuff.

Was it one Ferrari's first attempts at carbon fiber? Imagine the state it would have been had it been made of steel.

Jack. Brilliant video. Fascinating story of the demise of a unloved Ferrari.

The blue one behind it looks fresher