It feels like Saturday morning cartoons when you post a video, I have my pop corn and cold snack with my bibury on my lap, locked and loaded. 😮

@PetesGuide

11 ай бұрын

Hopefully your cold snack has a pop top on it?

@danielmaine8164

11 ай бұрын

😅

There's a surge version now. I paid 34 euros and it's awesome. You get two extra saws, bits, extra wire cutters and an imbus key.

Again, for me it's about the frame design and how the frame interacts with the pliers. If the frame of the tool is built like the Multiforce, it automatically becomes a mod tool without a pliers - for me. Most of these clones are fine for the use most of us put it to. I'd pay more for better specs, but they aren't strictly necessary for most daily use. If I had to make a choice, sadly, between a Leatherman with the proprietary bits or a clone with a true, locking, 1/4 inch driver, I'll take the clone every day. Not that I hate Leatherman, I've got - and use - almost everything in their inventory. You're right on target with your concerns - the clones are solving the problems and that is why they will continue to get better and be more viable, over time.

You are so right these really highlight how inexcusable Leatherman and Gerber scissors have been from incompetence alone. Personally I think they highlight how truly underappreciated tools like the Leatherman OHT and traditional swiss army multitools have been in some circles. The number of actual outdoorsman or hard use types who all favour well tested tools considered by the mob to not have had enough tools or be useless without pliers should have always been a guide. Carrying multiple tools that work is better than the "solve all" lumps of painful to use collections of mostly questionable bits and bobs they have been marketing.

I don't have a pliars based multi tool YET but I've got a couple of Victorinox pocket knives. I got the ceramic sharpener some years ago and the edge it gives is impressive. In the style of a pen so very pocketable.

Although I don’t have much of a use case for saws in my carry I’d be interested in seeing a test. You’re pretty thorough with that kind of thing and it’s appreciated. I know it’d be helpful, regardless of frequency of use.

@thevineclimber

11 ай бұрын

I completely agree. Please do saw testing!

@Dracomies

11 ай бұрын

Definitely agree! I'm not a saw user. But would love to know which ones are the best out there. I feel like the Vic Huntsman isn't a slouch. But yeah if I ever need to use a saw, I go in my car and just grab the Pocket Silkyboy. Weird name but a great saw.

I just ordered the DL30. The blade holder was the kicker for me. I don't have a ton of use for a wood saw but throwing in a metal cutting blade is going to help me out tremendously. There is a $6.77 coupon on the page that got the price down to $37.54. Now we sit and wait... 😄

@maxlvledc

11 ай бұрын

That's what I payed

@SW0000A

11 ай бұрын

I just got my DL30 and it is awesome so far.

@albertobarbosa5960

11 ай бұрын

@@SW0000A what was the shipping time? Looks like 2 months wait

@SW0000A

11 ай бұрын

@@albertobarbosa5960 I ordered mine May 22 and got it June 9.

@norho8129

11 ай бұрын

@@SW0000A Ordered mine week ago. Can't wait to compare it to Surge!

Another excellent video. THANK YOU ! Interesting and informative as usual. Your personal observations and opinions really add to each of your posts. Please keep up the great work ! Best to You and Yours.

I’m lovin’ that scissor! I would love to have that scissor integrated into my Multiforce, Wave, and Charge Plus! Yes, I would pay more for a better steel!

I've had this tool for months! This tool is the real deal! I'm happy you got one, i been saying Diacamping is the best out of the clones imo, now im waiting for the DL30, it has a very high quality feel and function to it, the finish on this is definitely superior, for the price its a winner..

If you use a 1/4 (6x2mm) magnet the bits will easily fall out and get lost. I can tell you from experience. The magnet pushes the bit out so the detent just doesn't make as much contact as it should.

I think it's cheaply priced without being cheaply made, so it's at a good price point and even better when there's insta-coupons to use. Thanks for showing it, always interesting a topic to me.

We reckon the tools are good as they are & functional as designed. We would purchase the DL1 but only after some usage then we will know its durabilty. We mod our generic to suit our daily use. As for a file we make it detachable plus we could replace it with other tools required (i.e. scalper, scraper etc). Cheers mate.!

I just got a Daicamping DL30 which is the Leatherman surge copy. It is seriously awesome. Comes with the t shank changer and default is a really good 3 sided file. It also comes with a huge wood saw and fine metal saw. There's even a pocket in the pouch for them. It also includes a very complete 1/4" bit kit in the pouch. Finally it also came with extra interchangeable wire cutters and a tool which fit in their own slot in the pouch. All my external implements are smooth and easy to deploy. The pliers is smooth and perfectly formed and and appears to copy the beefy surge. All for $40. You really need to get one.

@larrya197140

11 ай бұрын

I got mine on the way, I can't wait, got mine for 34.00 out the door, you can't beat that, I have the dl1 he's reviewing, to me this is the size of a wave with full outside scissors, this tool is super awesome too..

@SW0000A

11 ай бұрын

@@larrya197140 oh yeah this is a good tool. The Chinese are really competing hard enough that Leatherman should be worried. Leatherman hasn't really been innovating for a long while.

@larrya197140

11 ай бұрын

@@SW0000A Agreed! Couldn't of said it better!

@albertobarbosa5960

11 ай бұрын

@@larrya197140 what is the shipping time? 2 months?

@SW0000A

11 ай бұрын

@@albertobarbosa5960 I ordered May 22 and got it June 9.

I have the DL30 and I love it. Haven’t used my leatherman since i got this. Planning on buying a couple more DLs, Im happy with the steel the toolset, everything about it and I dont have to spend hundreds for a great multi tool

Though I havent used it in many months, this made me whip out my Black Surge! Still, as an Original Leatherman Owner BITD, I couldn't imagineva better multitool for variety and function. Along with the double Bit Kit, nary a meed goes unfulfilled. The DI Clone is a nice cheaper lighter version it appears. Thanks for the awlesome review!

I like Leatherman, but this tool is an example of how LTG refuses to believe they have no competition....they, imho, are overpricing their tools & think people will automatically gobble them up...I am not saying people will not eventually get an Leatherman, but at this price-point, the quality is good, & a nice way to get into multitools...at this price, sure I would favor a better steel...I understand the "Surge" version is nice as well...looking forward to your review....Good video, thanks! 😊

Really like that archer pro v2 flashlight . I got mine to come apart too .

Wow, that plier head is an *exact copy* of the Wave+, as far as I can tell, and the Awl is almost identical to the Surge's, which I love, I think it's the best Awl done so far. All in Awl, very impressive, I definitely dig it!

@korgan7779

11 ай бұрын

👍 just for the corny joke

@survivalofthefittest409

11 ай бұрын

@@korgan7779 I'm glad my efforts were noticed 😂

@notsojingo7355

11 ай бұрын

You have pierced the heart of levity!

For someone like me, I think the price of the lower end steel is the better choice because for me these are backup tools... then again if it were higher durability steel, they'd have a chance of making it a main carry in my kit - maybe. I prefer the toolset on the Bibury with the hammer end instead of the driver (I carry a ratcheting extension with it and that gives me reach and torque), as you get the file/diamond file in addition to this toolset (minus the dedicated serrated blade). Out of all of this league of tools, that is my #1 pick.

I'd be interested in watching a review of several different saws. Much like the scissors review you have done in the past.

I hope you do the DL30 soon, I really enjoy your reviews and I just need your okey on that tool to buy it

thanks for the video. You helped me a lot with my decision and I ordered DL12 a month ago, and now they have a Surge clone with a discount that starts tomorrow. Jesus! Ok but I don't disappointed, the tool is still good deal with a price they're asking for ) also there's a lot of videos of testing the DL1 and DL12 soo it's safe to say it's "time-tested". P. S. I won't pay more for the better steel, if I need one I'll have my pocket knife in addition, I even bought DL12 because it's a tiny bit cheaper ) also I thought like you do 11:19 you're right here! Also the effort you apply to cut some nails is less than with the replacable cutters. Also I thought the dimond file is a little bit useful for me than a huge sissors.

They have anew multitool that has a t shank adapter on it as well should give it a go

Good review as always. I purchased an earlier incarnation of this tool (2021) - with no replaceable cutters and the internal scissors. Decent enough, but wasn't sure on the longevity of the diamond file coating and also the scissors have a slight fault. However, for £22 (roughly $27) it was a good deal, especially compared with my recent purchase of a Crunch, which doesn't really close level both sides (leaves a gap) and the lock doesn't release well on all tools - not what you expect for that kind of money. Honestly don't believe Leatherman's QC is as good as it was 20 years ago. And brands such as these are closing the gap. Have just ordered the DL30, which looks like a Surge clone, outside scissors and swappable file/saw and a 1/4 bit driver.

I saw the scissors and that was it. imma order one asap

great review. Regarding steel quality. I am on the fence. Certainly for a blade alone, a nice knife there is no question in my mind that the quality should be there and the price is worth it. On a multitool? hard to say. I will say that my interests initially would be: blade sharpness retention and the water resistance of the steel.

Nice video! I searched your other video content and descriptions, but could not find the type and size battery you would use to add a magnet dropped inside a bit driver -- at minute 4:45. Can you provide a hint? I looked up 6mm x 2mm on amazon. Will this work? Thanks!

It's a sad statement but 7Cr17Mov isn't bad for a multitool blade steel. I wish they'd all use 14C28N, or at least 9Cr18Mov for the main blade. Oh well. Nice review!

I've not gotten a pliers based multitool because of the ridiculous IMO price of Leatherman multitools. If I were to spend that kind of money I would get a Victorinox. I just don't have a great enough need for such an expense. But yes, at this price point or an additional 10 with better steal I would probably get one.

I'd like to see a comparison video of swiss tech and daicamping multitool

Just 12c27 blade for this one and maybe the resurrection of the juice series also with 12c27. Blade but with a pocket clip 🙏

Are you please able to test fit the replacement wire cutter inserts with the new swiss tech 18 in 1!? I need some replacements and these are the only ones I can find!

7cr17mov steel, .75% carbon. Leatherman uses 420hc now, which is only .46% carbon. Leatherman steel is basically equivalent to the 3cr13mov (.35%) steel. The old Leatherman steel for Wave blades was 154CM, which was an extremely great, very expensive, steel. 420hc is low-end USA stainless.

I guess better steel is always good I love the Ozark Trail

i havent seen the dl30 the diacamping tool line are very nice

Daicamping DL1 or Swisstech 18 in 1... Which one is better?

Great video, thanks.

Swisstech also makes one of these. I have it. Its great. I have alot of multi tools and swisstech are great.

I tried those "clones". At the end it's about what I want. I was looking for a tool that I can always carry with me in case I forgot the one or other tool in the workshop. Yeah...I do that sometimes. I tried some clones and because I'm from Germany all tools that have lockable blades that can be opened with one hand are forbidden to carry them around. If I would put it into my Toolbox that would work. But no. The big problem for me was the weight. Nothing to carry around all day. I tried the Victorinox Spirit and the Leatherman Wave+ 2h. My first choice was the Spirit. The Wave is nearly as light as the Spirit but also not as well made as the Spirit. You know about it. You did some tutorials on making the Leatherman tools better. But the toolset of the Spirit sux a bit. I have way more use for the bitholder. But then...there is useless crap on it. You say it in the video. The file isn't really needed. I also fear it works anyways so fast off that you will never use it...except on that one day you need it or an emergency. The other useless tool for me is the medium screwdriver. Here I see the genius of Victorinox. Because they didn't just put a chunk of steel into the Multitool, they added some nice features into it. But at the end the Wave + made the race because of the bitholder as I have to screw around a lot😁 Ohh and thanks for the video. I liked it.

There's a DL60 as well

Спасибо за интересный подробный обзор!

What does it matter if they are not using the better steel when you can buy 3 of the clones for the price of 1 leatherman wave plus?

Another great vid , thanks. Oh dear, accidentally pressed purchase on the DL30......another multitool on the way, but seems to be the perfect tool set. If only Leatherman watched these and took notice.

While we are on the topic of tools, I was wondering what the difference was between the Knipex pliers wrench (with the flat toothless heads) and the Knipex Cobra Water Pump Pliers (with the kinked, toothed jaw). When would you use one over the other and vice versa? Also, which is more versatile and universally applicable? Does either one have limits and which one would you choose if you only could choose one?

@bendover8909

Жыл бұрын

the one with teeth is for more bite however at the cost of possibly ripping your bolt while the one without teeth is more likely to be used with delicate metals like copper or brass to avoid marks on it

@notsojingo7355

11 ай бұрын

Mr Dover!

Of course i would pay 10 bucks more for better steel and heat-treat

I have the 31 and 1 and its like carrying a soda can lol..will this be lighter smaller it looks the same ?

Im satisfied with this tool. I have a LM, but it was too expensive to use on my last jobsite, so i got the DL1. About the Surge clone: could you test if the t-shank holder fits a leatherman, even if it has to be modified? as always: thanks for the great vids! 😊

@maxlvledc

11 ай бұрын

I'm guessing it could definitely be modded.

@BOOSTEDLASER

11 ай бұрын

@@maxlvledc CONFIRM BLADE STEEL PLZ AND ROCKWELL SEMPER FI GUNNY

Really like my Victorianox....

What made me not buy a daicamping and buy a swiss+tech 18 in 1 is that the daicamping advertisement misleads the buyer. At swiss+Tech, the entire tool is produced in 5CR15MOV steel, which has properties similar to 420HC. But in daicamping only the main blade has 7CR17MOV steel that looks like 440HC, everything else is made in inferior steel, even having 2CR13MOV that oxidizes and rusts easily. But in the daicamping advertisement they only put the best steel in big letters.

Wave into the multitoolmultiverse XD

Where do you get the magnet?

What ist the weight of the Multitool? I don't find that information anywhere

So is 3cr inferior to 440c in HRC56? My Siupro multitool has the blade, cutters and scissors in 440c. Although this one is attractive for that bit holder. Having better steel on the cutters and scissors is nice, because I find myself using them a lot. Not sure how much it matters for the other (non-cutting) tools though.

@maxlvledc

11 ай бұрын

440c is better for sure.

@FreedomFox1

11 ай бұрын

@@maxlvledc Awesome, thanks.

Have the Chinese companies only recently been approaching the quality of Leatherman multitools? I was just about to buy a Leatherman Surge and a Wave Plus but came across many good reviews of Daicamping and SQT multitools that were done within only the last eight months or so.

@maxlvledc

11 ай бұрын

Still lacking somewhat in quality and materials..but they are catching up

Cheaper Steel and the lower price for the win.

Do all of these use the wave/charge pattern? Would you be able to swap out tools from one to another?

@maxlvledc

11 ай бұрын

Sadly no, different pivot dimensions. Could be done possibly, but quite had.

So I haven't seen any proper miaoke discover pro 23 in 1 tool reviews. which is an upgraded version of the budget 17 in 1 tool you have reviewed before and really wanted to know if you have any thoughts on it.

@maxlvledc

11 ай бұрын

Link?

@josephknight8673

11 ай бұрын

So for some weird reason the link keeps disappearing after I post it...

Where did you get that bit holder for the Wiha bits?

@maxlvledc

11 ай бұрын

Came with the multidriver

It is so easy to reverse engineer and make decent clones with cheap metal. As for the hand pinch I use my Surge several times a day and Never had a pinch

@maxlvledc

11 ай бұрын

Good technique..I also have not had it happen with surge...but more than a few times with wave.

Hell yes, I'd spend the money to get better steel. That's the only thing that stops me buying these things. I can't bring myself to buy the junk steel.

And where is the file ? ))))

Max, surge clone daicamping dl30 available now.. Kindly check and review..

@maxlvledc

11 ай бұрын

I mentioned it already. Will review

@Balaji_T_A_67779

11 ай бұрын

@@maxlvledc Sorry.. KZread notifications were off..

What I want to know is, are the Leathermans worth £/$100 more than these clones??

@maxlvledc

9 ай бұрын

Really tough to call...

Don't buy the black version, the serrated blade is coated and useless till you grind it off. Mine is gritty and the pliers don't open far enough to be useful even after oiling and cleaning. Really disappointed that something so heavy feels so cheap and I miss having a file way more than I thought I would. I've never used a saw on a multitool, seems silly.

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This tool set with the reverse config of the others would be literally be everything I've been looking for but can't ever find

@maxlvledc

11 ай бұрын

Yep, wish it existed imo

Of course I will pay 10$ more for better steel! You have to stop cut corners sometimes

I bought this last year, with a view to hack it and make it UK Legal. There's a noticeable quality in the hand difference however not a bad tool overall. Still need to hack it and make it UK legal actually.

@erebostd

11 ай бұрын

What’s your plan? Using a dremel to cut out the locks?

@k.hussain360

11 ай бұрын

@@erebostd Well, initially I was thinking I'll try putting a washer over the locking mechanism, that way there should be enough tension on the blade to hold it in place. If that doesn't work, then off with the lock.

@erebostd

11 ай бұрын

@@k.hussain360 oh, a washer - a nice idea! I hope that works 😁👍

I would pay $15 more for better steel where better steel is needed.

Die-camping.. Hmmm must be tools for hardcore campers. 😂

Id rather own a chinese tool and not being afraid to use it then 3 Surge and being afraid to use it. In my case the last part is true.

I try to avoid China produced products if I can. I’d rather pay more for American made.

@14987able

6 ай бұрын

Normally I would agree for the price point it’s just getting too beneficial and so is the quality I have this tool and I also have the dl 30 I love both of them great tools

@14987able

5 ай бұрын

This one is better 😂

Leatherman is in SO much trouble with these tools 😕 That Surge clone will be the nail in the coffin. Please show weight in grams. ..

Bet those plier heads are manufactured by same people that do leathermans. Leathermans plier heads aren't made in usa anymore

@maxlvledc

11 ай бұрын

I believe theirs are made in mexico

@devatwell334

11 ай бұрын

@maxlvledc I always thought the sheaths were mad ein Mexico but nobody knew where the plier heads came from. But now I know! Thank you dl1 looks like a multitool worth pickin up for sure

@maxlvledc

11 ай бұрын

@DevAtwell it could have changed...my info is a little old in this case.

Hey I have a question, only because I know you're into modding your multi-tools. I was thinking about replacing the blade on my Gerber center drive with a pair of scissors. Like the ones off the fantasticar in your scissor test. Do you think that the scissors in the fantasticar would fit in place of the knife blade on the center drive? They're only reason why I want to do this is because I have to have scissors on my multi and i already care a knife on me so the blade on the center drive is kind of redundant to me. Also, I knew you can put scissors in the inside of the tool, but you would have to modify that lanyard loop by cutting it off and i am not willing to do tat to a $115 tool especially since it's new lol. I was just kind of hoping to get your thoughts on this type of mod and if you even think its possible?

@maxlvledc

11 ай бұрын

Hmm, the issue is scissor orientation, usually they are placed on the opposite side. A victorinox scissor (which has no side bias) would be the best bet.

@maxlvledc

11 ай бұрын

U can also use a Swisscard scissor

*THE KING OF KINGS FILE IS THE LEATHERMAN REBARS CROSS CUT FILE ON 1 SIDE THE REBAR FILES NOTCHING ON THE BOTTOM AND THEN LEATHERMANS DIAMOND ON THE OTHER SIDE.* *THAT WOULD BE THE KING OF KINGS FILE.* *IF ONLY DAM LEATHERMAN WOULD MAKE IT HAPPEN!!!!*

@RodisOne

8 ай бұрын

Unfortunately Leather man warranty sucks in the Netherlands so never a leather man for me again i have a wave plus new out of the box which i can never take with me as i would mostly use the pliers but out of the box one screw that holds the replaceble wirecutters was broken and they would not replace or repair it for me.

*AND IF UR TALKING THE KING OF KINGS FILE IN THE ENTIRE WORLD WITHOUT A DIAMOND COATING.THE LEATHERMAN REBAR HOLDS THE CROWN!!!THE DIAGNOL PATTERN ON 1 SIDE OF THAT FILE IS SO INTENSE IT CAN SPLICE UR DAM FINGER RIGHT OPEN WITH EASE IF U PRESS HARD AN RUN UR FINGER ACROSS IT.* *ASK ME HOW I KNOW8/8->>>>*

Personally, I'd like no blade at all. I prefer a separate pocket knife. These full size multi tools are just too bulky for the knife work i do.

@maxlvledc

11 ай бұрын

I would love to see a light knife compliment

Brand and model of your watch ?

@maxlvledc

11 ай бұрын

It's casio amzn.to/3CjJ93F

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