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@alireardon6664

Жыл бұрын

What exactly ARE ghosts?

@silentdying4519

3 ай бұрын

😮😮😮😮😢

For all those wondering how he got ghost pictures to look similar to the dead loved ones. Think about it most people in the late 1800s had never sat for a painting or a photograph, so Mumler’s customers were relying on their fading memories, tricked by their desire for these photos to be real.

@hedgehog3180

2 жыл бұрын

That or in the case of famous people like Lincoln it was easy to find drawings, you can kinda see that all of the people who aren't famous have fairly obscured features but the famous one are much more distinct.

@12345649243

2 жыл бұрын

Probably someone similar posed

@NimN0ms

2 жыл бұрын

I can also see an exchange happen where the person getting their photo taken, talks about someone they miss and vaguely describes them, and then the photographer goes into their library of templates and pulls one that matches a given description.

@aur9035

2 жыл бұрын

This is kinda what im wondering but the thing is, where did he get that many people to photograph and use as spirits (that also matches up to the pose)

@IsM1ku

2 жыл бұрын

you just do a bit of medium trickery first (aka asking questions disguised as statements) and boom, theres grandma from 1800s shutterstuck

Imagine that you recreate this with one ‘spirit’ but the photograph shows a second spirit.

@TomSmith-jp1es

2 жыл бұрын

Wow you should write low effort horror novels...

@erikgarrett9027

2 жыл бұрын

@@TomSmith-jp1es how about you be nice on the internet.. don’t got anything nice to say don’t say it. It’s like 10000x easier on KZread. Just don’t comment!

@adnanhusainhakeem3043

2 жыл бұрын

😂

@wellesradio

2 жыл бұрын

@@TomSmith-jp1es I lol’d. But then I read it as low effort horror MOVIES, which require slightly less imagination and don’t sweat the actual writing.

@marvicklentz2857

2 жыл бұрын

@@erikgarrett9027 calm down man, I think Tom is complimenting the poster of the comment haha

He was an engraver before getting into photography. I strongly believe he was using engraving skills instead of photo processing skills to embed the "spirits". Aside from that, he's the forefather of Photoshop 🤣

@jackkraken3888

2 жыл бұрын

That could be true too..

@videowifie

2 жыл бұрын

yup. i'm amazed it wasnt one of the ideas in the court case. they only have to be ever so faint, and you can sort of see in the positioinig of the arms that it might not be a photo but rather a drawing. just a little bit of a certain chemical , or maybe sanded on.. Id like to see someone try with that method.

@sticks1931

2 жыл бұрын

with plate photography that would not have been possible unfortunately, since it was not like printing and chemicals are needed to remove the image off the plate, but I do like your theory

This is still better than security camera footage nowadays.

@BroAnarchy

2 жыл бұрын

POTATO CAMERA *ACTIVATE!!!*

@TheAryanKnight

Жыл бұрын

better than US capturing UFO videos

The sad thing is, nobody followed his wife around. They only seemed to see her as a distraction while they follow him around, which was perfect since it left her time to do whatever it was she did to tje pictures 😂

@kietdarvin2559

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly 👍 That's why the research points to her being the mastermind. She knew exactly how to do it

@SaSa-gn3rr

2 жыл бұрын

While I was watching I was like oh god it was the wife and nobody cared to follow her probably bc she's a woman....... It's fairly obvious that she was the mastermind bc she's the one that owned the studio

@kutter_ttl6786

2 жыл бұрын

She used 19th century sexism to her advantage.

@zumabbar

2 жыл бұрын

@@kutter_ttl6786 the OG girlboss

@meine1379

Жыл бұрын

Behind a clever man, stand a genius women🤣

Oh this is pretty cool! Never knew about the existence of spirit photography before, I would love to know how Mumler (and Helen Stuart) really do it!

@GreenHotDogz

2 жыл бұрын

If you like horror video games, give Fatal Frame a try.

@engineergaming5989

2 жыл бұрын

Ever heard of Joseph joestar? He has a stand called hermit purple that can do spirit photography however he has to destroy a camera everytime he does it

@growingmelancholy8374

2 жыл бұрын

They took the picture and the ghosts appeared. Simple.

@JP-br4mx

2 жыл бұрын

You could ask him yourself lol

@AlexSage

2 жыл бұрын

It's easy. photo effect. called фото наложение in russian... they already revealed this trick and it's not real ghosts.

You'd think if the ghosts are real they would pose a bit for the camera.

@CreamAle

2 жыл бұрын

Duck face victorian ghosts throwing a peace sign as well. What a mental image.

@artiction

2 жыл бұрын

Just irks me that the left photo on 10:43 just looks so anatomically weird. Sure they were looking at the camera, but their body is just ehhh

@himesilva

2 жыл бұрын

I actually thought it was weirder that the ghosts were all posed. Like they have a spirit phone that the loved one can just call them up on and be like "Hey Abe, dress nice on Sunday!"

@exiles_dot_tv

2 жыл бұрын

@@artiction Yeah some of them look half painted, or maybe some sort of collage, like an early form of Photoshop

We have one of these in my family. I remember it on the wall of my Grandmothers when i was a kid.

@Alwindar1

2 жыл бұрын

Is it scaty?

@RIFLQ

2 жыл бұрын

Is it cusred?

@puterasyah6115

2 жыл бұрын

Is it skoopy?

@user-hk8yp7cw1v

2 жыл бұрын

@@RIFLQ very cusred indeed whatever that means

@rainbowjack

2 жыл бұрын

Is it ceerpy?

The sleight of hand method would require them to readily have a lot of pictures of just the right people in fitting postures, which is unlikely too. Wouldn't some of them have recognized themselves in the photos? Very intriguing topic that I somehow never heard about as a photographer, really cool

@TheBoyer19

2 жыл бұрын

I thought the same thing

@samanjj

2 жыл бұрын

They know who they are photographing in advance so they could prepare it.

@OfficialEFEN

2 жыл бұрын

@@samanjj So they went to Abe Lincoln asking him to pose weirdly for this unspecified photo, mysteriously appearing in newspapers after? Unless the dude had mad humour, I kinda doubt that one :D

@himesilva

2 жыл бұрын

@@OfficialEFEN No, they just got someone to dress up like Lincoln haha. The photos arent exactly in 4k here

@expectedturbulence8475

2 жыл бұрын

Some people recognized the ‘spirits’ as living people they knew.

If he set up the camera before the client got there then he could have pre-exposed the plate with a model for 1-2 seconds. Then the client shows up, plate gets exposed again this time with enough light to develop a full picture. That's one way to do it without anyone being able to follow you through the process.

@Tinderchaff

2 жыл бұрын

basically a double exposure. A lot easier to do now but still possible. Even the method shown in the video is like a double exposure. The fact that you can send a photo in and miraculously get a spirit photo from that screams this was dodgy.

@resiyun

2 жыл бұрын

i mean it is possible, but the thing is this is wet plate photography. you have only a few minutes (5-10) to sensitize, take the photo and then develop. there is no time to take a whole other picture and wait for another person to come in. each plate must be prepared and finished within only a few minutes

@dwarftoad

2 жыл бұрын

Yes that would be a great way to do it. Or keep a set of exposed plates preserved somewhere that could be brought out to suit what the sitter wanted. But, if I was a skeptic trying to debunk him, I would have definitely brought my own plate or otherwise ensured that a unexposed plate was used, or at least one randomly chosen by me, not Mummler (so the composition would at least be wrong).

@hedgehog3180

2 жыл бұрын

Could have also just hidden the ghost plate inside of the exposure apparatus.

@lexwithbub

Жыл бұрын

Except that once you've got areas exposed to light, you can't unexpose them. So you would have the whole body of the "ghost" showing through crying regardless of the main sitter. You can't have the ghost appear behind the sitter.

Oh this is fun and pretty cool (and I like how niche it feels; it’s always nice to learn something new)! Also I enjoy how scientific and historically informed it is. I guess that’s the standard here, but it would certainly be easy to _just_ recreate this and not try to examine it, so the informational content is appreciated ahaha.

@hermeslein6614

2 жыл бұрын

America is over and be gangup up by Russia and China

@tectonicallyinsane3450

2 жыл бұрын

@@hermeslein6614 Why would you say that?

@AnyCitrusTree

Жыл бұрын

so it is 'niche' now to learn about scams? what a sad world we have created.. idots reign, it seems.

Surely the 'spirit' negatives can be matched up to a previously-existing photograph of the person? Surprised that wasn't discussed--none of these cases has even one example of a 'spirit' posing in exactly the same position/expression as a photograph that already existed of them? Because even one example of this would prove the fraud.

@thesoundsmith

2 жыл бұрын

Sorry, didn't see this.

@QuintusAntonious

2 жыл бұрын

I swear you can see the same person as the spirit in a few of the example photos.

@dontbefatuousjeffrey2494

2 жыл бұрын

If you go to the Ask A Mortician channel, you will see her vid (which was coincidentally made around the same time as this one), which (as I recall) outlines how this kind of exposure of fraud was what led Mumler and his wife to leave Boston for New York. There seems to be no conflict between the content creators of this vid and hers (she even provides a link to this one) and watching both is very informative 🙂

@AnyCitrusTree

Жыл бұрын

no doubt but when people do not know they were scammed they don't go back to look for evidence.. and since they were glass plates, how hard is t to destroy the evidence once he was charged?

Thank you for this fascinating piece of history! I'm with Mr. Barnum in believing it's not right that people profit off of grief and gullibility, and it's important to debunk fraudulent claims like these.

@ItsNuxFury

2 жыл бұрын

Perhaps the same could be said of *all* religions?

@alos4025

Жыл бұрын

Barnum was a terrible person. He acted all mightier than thou, when he took advantage of people on the daily and stole from them.

Since i see so many people commenting saying they could have taken an exposure before and then took the second one of the client, this would not be possible. This is wet plate collodion process. each glass plate has to be 1. sensitized in silver nitrate, 2. put into the camera and exposed 3. developed within 10 minutes from sensitized phase. it is simply not possible for him to take 2 pictures on one plate as the silver nitrate would already been ruined within the time it took him to take the second picture. The entire process must be done before the silver nitrate has a chance to dry.

@rachelc.2828

2 жыл бұрын

You seem knowledgeable. I'm a beginner tintypist who are has tried to do some spirit photography and wondered how it could be done at separate times. Could someone take the ghost photo, develop it, and not varnish it and then later prepare and shoot with the plate again? I've never tried it but I've wondered if that could work.

@resiyun

2 жыл бұрын

@Rachel C. I'm not sure about that specifically, but I don't think it would be a a good idea, the silver is very fragile before its varnished and even then acording to the video, the photographers watched every step of the process, it would be very obvious if he were using a plate that has already been fully developed.

How come the models used for those spirit photos never came forward? Usually, the more people you involve into a fraud, the higher the chances of one of them to come forward. These people were very loyal, or they never found out the photographers used their photos in this way.

@Rayenn_19

2 жыл бұрын

Probably the models nevet found out their photos were used by mumler. It seems like these "ghosts" face didn't match quite well with the body. You can see in 10:44 their bodies didnt fit quite well -- probably someone else posing for the body.

@AnyCitrusTree

Жыл бұрын

he posed the people for the pictures, always in standard positions, so he could re-use anyone's portrait from a previous session, no one would know if their pictures were given a second print, as there was no internet.

man invented photoshop

@xyupizdagovno

2 жыл бұрын

double exposure

@klachingmacgaming8400

2 жыл бұрын

still does not explain how he knew alll their clients dead loved one i think the gohst photo thing is real

@k1ng11_1

2 жыл бұрын

@@klachingmacgaming8400 yeahhh me too

This this impressive as that we can research and re -inacted it.

This has got to be one of the best series on KZread right now. I never knew this was a thing. I'm a film camera collector, I have hundreds from the early 2000s all the way back to late 1800s. Such interesting pieces of history.

Fascinating. Thank you and I appreciate the work you put into this.

This video was utterly fascinating. Thank you for sharing all the resources!

I want more of this series! It's enthralling!!!

Love this kind of historical investigation. Not only thought provoking but fun !

Still better quality than all the “real UFO footage” of today.

"... photo of a photo, plus the presence of the sprits" ...technical genius and a scamster at the same time. 😂🤣

well done Hannah Stuart! In helping Mumler contact spirits for his photography, you both were able to bring the dearly departed back into the lives of those whom missed them.

As always. Making the finest content. Thank you Vox

Here from Our lovely Mother of Deathlings channel. Lol, sometimes crosses path. Good on you both for the cool vibes of peace. May those vibes spread. We *need* them!

But I wondered how did they get the exposure of Lincoln. Maybe because he’s a famous man and there’s a lot of portraits of him. Then the explanation would be triple exposure. One with the subject, another one with the actor, and the last one is the face which’s extracted from portraits or paintings and exposed on top again.

@taylorallred6208

2 жыл бұрын

I was wondering that, too. Is it like an elaborate 1870s deepfake?

@JIEON.C

2 жыл бұрын

Or could have casted a lookalike

@Ghiaman1334

2 жыл бұрын

Oh come on. He was most likely the best known man in the US, had been photographed multiple times, seen in person around the country. You think they couldn't just find a tall white man, maybe an out of work broadway actor, and dress him up like Lincoln to take the picture?

@samanjj

2 жыл бұрын

Isn’t he too short in the photo - i reckon they replaced the head of the “body” double with a photo of Lincoln

@rileygroom1103

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ghiaman1334 I agree however, this would not explain all of the other ghost doppelgangers.

I think the trick is so obvious no matter what technology was used. As a photographer, the first thing that came to mind when I saw these pictures is "double exposure" Whatever the actual technique was, it cannot be anything other than some form of double exposure

@Tustin2121

2 жыл бұрын

They covered that, but the trick was that there were skeptics watching intently throughout the whole process, so he couldn’t do a double exposure for those pictures, as that would have been obvious fakery to the onlookers.

@shigekax

2 жыл бұрын

@@Tustin2121 you can expose the spirit way before the subject !

@EliaMarc

2 жыл бұрын

@@Tustin2121 Just take the ghost picture first before the skeptics arrive, then position the costumer in a particular way so that the ghost seems to interact. That way the costumer nor the skeptics would have seen the ghost.

@exiles_dot_tv

2 жыл бұрын

But a double exposure of what exactly, I think that's the bigger question here. If he just used existing photos (which there were far less of back then), that would seem too obvious. If he was hiring doubles to dress up as the dead people, I'm kinda surprised none of them ever came forward. Some of the dead people images look heavily altered though, like he may have been cutting and pasting photos together.

@resiyun

2 жыл бұрын

@@EliaMarc no that is not possible. this is the 1800's they used the wet plate method. each photo must me sensitized, taken and then developed within 10 minutes. it is not possible him to take a picture then wait however long for the client to show up and then take another one.

Here from Ask a Mortician. So great that there are multiple skilled artists who know how to use these cameras and old technologies. 😀

So he got pictures of all his clients dead ones?? How did he do that, with similar looking people?

@trickmab

2 жыл бұрын

Same question man..... please reply if anyone has answer!

@khushi6880

2 жыл бұрын

Seriously, I was thinking the same

@adiadiadi333

2 жыл бұрын

The video did say his pictures would have spirits of strangers sometimes.... If we could know that stranger spirits conveniently appeared when the dead ones appearance was not available to him, then we can say for sure he's a fraud, something the investigators of that time didnt think to.

@trickmab

2 жыл бұрын

@@adiadiadi333 but questions still remains that how did he get some of the dead ones in photos in that old era!

@kietdarvin2559

2 жыл бұрын

@@trickmab I feel like this has got something with going into the house of the grieving person and getting a photo of the dead ones or something on that line...

absolutely love this series

Great cosplay as Mary Todd Lincoln, Coleman.

I was surrounding one of my Uni modules around spirit photography and the ability to see the dead, the apparitions book was a brilliant read! Wish I found this video last term too!

There is a short opera in English called “The Medium” about a scamming medium who actually senses something one day to her horror, and drives her mad. Really recommend it!

Nice essay! Caitlin Dougherty linked your video on her site...how about return the courtesy?? 🙏🏼🙂

this just leaves so many points unanswered...

This was a pretty cool content Vox. I haven't been this impressed since OG Vox. Great edutainment.

The fact that we get free videos on KZread by Vox is truly a gift 👏

Great video! I’ve long been fascinated with early hoaxes and fakes and it was great to learn more about photos like these. I would love to see a video about the Cottingley Fairies.

You know there are plenty of people in modern day that would absolutely fall for this trick

A fascinating look at vintage photography. Thanks for delving into the past to unearth these gems..

One of my most loved part of vox is darkroom and i love evey single minute of their videos. Love it and please keep it up.

I want to read a novel with the premise that Mumler was right.

Some people are confused as to how the figures matched up directly with those the clients were inquiring about. This can be done easily by 1) asking questions beforehand to make sure you place the right figure in question. 2) when the photo is being exposed, you can alter and add details to the image like today’s photoshop. I have to admit their skills at the hand must have been pretty good to nail their loved ones down and 3) have Hannah or a stranger dress up as closely to the person as possible and vuala! Easy. You also have to take into account the people who believed in spiritualism. Sometimes the belief alone can trump logic if a person simply wants something to be true. Mary Todd Lincoln wanted to feel Abe’s presence despite the fact that she should’ve known that wasn’t Abe.

@luqmanography

2 жыл бұрын

He's done many photos. How exactly he knew all of their client's dead relatives faces and double exposured them all? If their relatives are still alive, it's possible to assume he did some detective works. Unfortunately, they weren't. In one of photography classes, I asked this question too. But it remains unsolved how Mumler & his wife done it legit.

@nw6070

2 жыл бұрын

Ridiculous argument. No one will be able to miraculously figure out what’s my dead grandma looked like AND find a body double. Besides Asking for detailed enough description to produce a likeness would not have been possible without rousing suspicion. Your explanation really doesn’t explain a thing

But where does the stock Lincoln photo come from?

Thank you so much , I learn a lot.

That was so interesting !!! Thank you !

Mark is a great teacher and inspiration

Very interesting. These little videos always are.

Can't wait for the next season!

Finnaly early to a Vox video. And a really interesting and intriguing one!

This is wonderful!! Thank you!

@alireardon6664

Жыл бұрын

What exactly ARE ghosts?

That’s fascinating stuff!

These videos are awesome

More photography histories please!!!!

What a fascinating story!

He had to have a negative or photo of the lost loved one. Were all the participants in on it? Either way it’s cool.

@luqmanography

2 жыл бұрын

The problem is, the clients' relatives were all dead before they asked Mumler to take their photos.

@pastelcharmander1610

Жыл бұрын

no, they were saying they might've taken negatives of people who matched a similar discription

6:49 _"Fourth... to distract attention by raps..."_ Mrs. Mumbler distracted people with some dope beats.

Watching because Ask a Mortician shared this too!

I Have heard about it & seen some photos also but don't know in technology back in 1997 while studying printing technology. This documentary cleared dought.

Wow, this was incredible

Love this! Also watch the super cool video by “Ask a Mortician” about this same subject - she sent me here lol. They’re on the same thing but both so fun.

Never knew this was existed, thank you Vox!

The last ep?? Ohh come back for season 4 soon, please!! And it was great to see Coleman in the lenses again... hehe

Fabulous and informative video 😁👍 May I ask what brand of camera did Mumler use in his studio?

This was fascinating

Photographic therapy. Splendid!

This was great!

great analysis

How many are here from Caitlin’s (Ask A Mortician) amazing video to see if Vox added anything new to her second victorian photography episode (the death photots last time still amaze me with the cutting edge techneques of thier day)! What a lovely coincidence both had the same idea for content that thier viewers got to learn about today.

excellent - came to this from the divine Caitlin Doughty's channel -

This is so cool! :)

this is creativity at its finest, imagine if Mumler live in this era.

Really impressive video

Fascinating!

If ghosts were real. one of them would have mooned or flipped off the camera. Those ghosts are way to well-behaved to be real people.

@anuraagsaxena7942

2 жыл бұрын

Same thought 😂😂 to good to be real

I remember finding a picture in an old family album that had a man who slightly translucent(not as much so as these) with a white glow around him. I was pretty creeped out, my mom said it was signify he was dead

Interesting video! 💯

i think the biggest clue is how the pictures are composed. the compositions would make no sense unless they knew where the ghosts were standing before the picture was taken. the ghosts are always perfectly framed

Maybe he was a really good painter. He painted the deceased faces on the negatives.

@Bas_Lightyear

2 жыл бұрын

No, no the sceptical photographers watched his entire process. You wouldn’t be able to intricately paint a negative while someone watched you, without them knowing what you were doing

I guess Mumler would just Google the deceased and pull a photograph off of the internet to get the face.

@kbrock9146

2 жыл бұрын

Ah yes, that 1860s Internet that everyone had access to during that time. Why didn't anyone else think of that?

@kendomyers

2 жыл бұрын

@@kbrock9146 Seems so obvious

@a.felicity4655

Жыл бұрын

Perhaps he's from the future

Hardest thing to explain is how he got various models to pose without any of them ever exposing him. If the models were doing it for money, they could have easily ratted him out to the press /police for a reward.

Interesting that the results Mumler got were still better than what the historian tried to recreate. Props to the Mumlers.

I wish these vids weren't so short

So delightful.

good one Vox!

You should put Ask A Mortician's video somewhere in the description

It's quite hard also to think that Mumler already had a copy of a ghost negative, like where would he get those ghost faces in the first place.

@hedgehog3180

2 жыл бұрын

From other photos, just get a copy of a photo of the dead relative and then use that in a double exposure.

@denvercalonia9255

2 жыл бұрын

@@hedgehog3180 so Mumler would ask photos of their dead love ones after they took a portrait, that would be suspicious enough to tell he is joking during that time

@nadaalfaiza7899

2 жыл бұрын

@@hedgehog3180 that's suspicious

@luqmanography

2 жыл бұрын

@@hedgehog3180 of course not

But how did he manage to get the negative image of those deceased loved ones in that same studio set up ? This trick can be done with strangers only but those familiar faces who have already passed away how could they come and pose for negative photos? Please someone explain. I'm really curious.

@BPS298

2 жыл бұрын

The ghosts are of lower quality, so they could’ve used people who looked really similar to the “spirits” and you wouldn’t be able to tell

@madhurabali1810

2 жыл бұрын

@@BPS298 I see... thanks for explaining.

@michaelhenry3234

2 жыл бұрын

@@madhurabali1810 Also, people in grief are gonna see what they want to see. If your wife had just died and the photographer shows there's a ghost of a woman with a vague face, there's a decent chance you'll see your wife in her. In the exact same way that taking a placebo might make you feel better. Our brains are evolved to find patterns, even when they're not really there. Also keep in mind that, in addition to being super faded and vague, the pictures were black and white. Obvious, yes, but that makes it even harder to discern features.

@luqmanography

2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelhenry3234 If this a placebo, what u perceived will be different than mine. In this case, everybody knows dead relatives in the photos look exactly the same.

@nw6070

2 жыл бұрын

Nonsense. Grief does not make you forget what your wife looks like. These images aren’t not that blurry that you cannot see exactly what face type and hairstyle etc they had and you WOULD absolutely be able to tell if they are not your loved one. So I don’t know how he did it

The image of Lincoln straight up looks like a painting

Mark Osterman is fantastic! Would love to see more videos with his work as well as stuff from the George Eastman Museum :)

That's a pretty smart way to do it. And since the images were captured on glass plates, it guarantees that the spirit negative will be out or focus and thus more ghostly.

This is a piece of lost history wow!!!

The 19th century’s Photoshopped image of the sky with a godly figure in it.

I live in Rochester!!!! Great job

Has anyone tried to find a picture of Lincoln (maybe from a newspaper) that matches his position? That would be all they needed, and finding that picture would prove the scam.

@the_invincible8494

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly

@luqmanography

2 жыл бұрын

one mystery solved. how about the other deceased relatives?

Love this! I’m from Rochester.

Hey, good to see some ghosts here! I do also "ghost portrait" people in my longterm project called :Ghost Portrait Project".. its been great to search and get the notion that I'm not the only one doing it, despite a handful more doing it aswell! Great video, thnx, cheers

@alireardon6664

Жыл бұрын

What exactly ARE ghosts?