I am reminded of a line from the movie Breaker Morant: "The barbarities of war are not committed by abnormal men. The tragedy of war is the acts , when calmly viewed afterwards, are committed by normal men in abnormal circumstances. "

@arkadikharovscabinetofcuri3465

7 ай бұрын

I feel that quote was grabbed from someone else in some way but I have covid so my brain isn’t good lol

@Veritas.0

7 ай бұрын

I'd hardly consider men dehumanized and traumatized by war as 'normal'.

@neilpk70

7 ай бұрын

Rule number 303.

@kiwi_comanche

7 ай бұрын

Brilliant film.

@claywest9528

7 ай бұрын

@@kiwi_comanche Indeed it is.

It should be noted that roughly 11,000 German Americans and 3,000 Italian Americans were also interned around the same time as their Japanese American counterparts.

@dsxa918

7 ай бұрын

I can only imagine (understanding the origin of police).

@itsfratalbert6645

7 ай бұрын

I lost a German great uncle to that. He disappeared once he went in never to be seen again. Somewhere in Georgia..

@alyssinwilliams4570

7 ай бұрын

If I'm remembering my history correctly (from books, not personal experience), similar internment camps were set up in Canada as well.

@jameswhite8830

7 ай бұрын

I've never heard that looks like I got some digging to do. It's sad what fear can lead good people to do to other good people😢

@Veritas.0

7 ай бұрын

ALL major powers of WW2... ALL OF THEM, interred non-enemy peoples of certain cultures and races... ALL. OF. THEM. The U.K. folks bristle at this truth, but it's true for them, too. They just emptied their camps into US camps and then wiped their hands and said 'we don't do that!' No, you offload it onto another country. Edit: For the record, I am not talking about POW camps. Internment camps just like the US did to the Japanese... look it up yourself.

I worked at a retirement home a few years ago. A Japanese american lady and her husband both had been in the Japanese internment camp when they were little kids. She had pretty advanced dementia and sometimes she would think she was a little girl in the camp. Honestly, heartbreaking to see her reliving that time 75 years later.

@cashewnuttel9054

6 ай бұрын

I'm not American but that first one is understandable. Can't risk having people from the enemy country wondering about and ending up as spies and blowing up cities.

@MelvinJ64

6 ай бұрын

KZreadrs and their constant "heartbreaks " 🙄

@Spencer481

6 ай бұрын

@MelvinJ64 have you never seen something upsetting before? Must be blessed to be you.

@luminyam6145

4 ай бұрын

I worked in Montreal in the Royal Victoria Hospital and I had a European Jewish lady as a patient. She had too much of a certain medication which caused a mental fog and she was certain she was in an internment camp. Once the medication left her system she became more coherent but her terror when confused horrified me, it spoke very loudly of what she had been through.

@tysonschroder9849

4 ай бұрын

​@MelvinJ64 she ain't no you tuber. She's a human with emotions. It's a good thing.

I am actually SHOCKED that an english speaking youtuber would talk about this subject. For what its worth, thank you for doing this. Even in Germany when WWII is discussed in school, teachers act like the allies were angles and committed no war crimes, at all.

@kingmobmor7656

3 ай бұрын

We have to look at history without bias to not repeat the mistakes. No one is purely evil, no one is all good.

@TheUnseen0n3

3 ай бұрын

I mean to be fair compared to Germany and Japan aside from maybe Russia the rest kinda were in a way. Definitely goes to show the corrupt thought process a government and its military can have reminds me of the US false flag operation to basically start Vietnam.

@xtoll123

3 ай бұрын

I've often wondered if at 22- 23 years old I'd have had the moral fortitude to go against the orders of my superiors and everyone I knew and say no. A good reference is the Milgram experiment carried out by the US in the 50's I think, a real eye opener

@cjvrsa

3 ай бұрын

It's because ONLY the Germans are wrong,can do wrong etc. The moment anybody says something that differs,they get crucified,so to speak.

@xtoll123

3 ай бұрын

@@cjvrsa history is written by the winners

All of these are taught in UK schools... Or they used to be. "A warcrime is only a warcrime if you lose."

@JamesChenisKing

7 ай бұрын

Yep might is right. However unfortunate that is.

@theoztreecrasher2647

7 ай бұрын

@@JamesChenisKing Well it might not BE 'Right" but the winners certainly get to make the judgements.

@hairybubbles127

7 ай бұрын

I learned all of this in school in America. But then, I was in a decent school in a decent town full of decent people. War is hell. We can learnto do it better the next time, or we can equivocate all day.

@pennywisenibbles4949

7 ай бұрын

Japanese schools don’t teach about their war crimes, My history teacher actually touched on the subject, I’ve asked someone from Japan about it and apparently they prevent them from being taught because teaching about them would mean they’re admitting to do the wrongs. It’s really messed up, they lost and still claim they committed no war crimes

@johnathanh2660

6 ай бұрын

Curtis LeMay said, "If we'd lost the war, we'd all have been prosecuted as war criminals." A comment he made during the Nuremburg trials. And for those who don't recognise the name. He was the USAF Chief of Staff during the Bay of Pigs crisis and was responsible for dropping/overseeing the B29 attacks on Japan, including x2 nuclear strikes.

I'm always surprised how much this surprises people. "No, my people wouldn't have done this!" Chances are, they already have.

@jamesbuchanan3145

6 ай бұрын

Yeah...it's War. Frankly, if you aren't prepared for some truly dark shlt, then whatever you're fighting for isn't worth fighting for. War is he'll.

@BakingBadOBX

6 ай бұрын

and probably will again

@rodwilkins1614

2 ай бұрын

I’m surprised your surprised that people are surprised. Intelligent people know the facts.

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2 ай бұрын

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@Justin.Martyr

2 ай бұрын

*But, No German EVER Rapped a WoMan!!!! NOT EVER!!!!!*

My friend’s grandfather told us, “The Captain said anyone that brings a prisoner on board that prisoner will sleep in their bunk and get 1/2 their rations until the prisoners can be gotten off the ship. We didn’t take many prisoners.”

@Justin.Martyr

2 ай бұрын

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@lynntownsend100

2 ай бұрын

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@StallionStudios1234

10 күн бұрын

Simple actions can have massive effects. When that happens more players start coming. We get locked up, shot instantly and people start dying.

It is important to remind warcrimes of both sides. My wife's great-grandmother remembered how the Soviets came to liberate her village in Moravia. They ran their tanks through the vineyards, looted the village, culturally enriched a few women at gunpoint, shot anyone who resisted, and left.

@DD-qw4fz

5 ай бұрын

So orks being orks as usual...

@greggiesecke6412

5 ай бұрын

Russians being Russian, not the West's fault.

@personc6122

4 ай бұрын

When they took Berlin they boasted that therre would be no girl or woman between 8 and 80 that went unraped.

@joshuaortiz2031

4 ай бұрын

​@@personc6122 that is BS. There was a lot of rape going on in the Soviet occupation of Berlin but it's widely exaggerated.

@kevinrayner5812

4 ай бұрын

A bit like Lidice and Oradour-sur-Glane then.

Mers-el-Kebir WAS NOT a surprise attack. The British fleet (Force H) arrived and parlayed with French admiral for several hours. An ultimatum was given: either sail out and join the British, sail to neutral ports in the Caribbean, or be destroyed. The French admiral refused both latter options and Somerville (commanding Force H) opened fire on the port with the big guns of his fleet. There was no surprise air attack, although aircraft were in use after the expiration of the British ultimatum. 4:39

@DrRock1970

6 ай бұрын

Yeah I don't know what he's on about here

@HammerJammer81

6 ай бұрын

THIS! They were given options. The French decided not to join the British Fleet and the Allies couldnt afford for the Germans to get a hold of those ships.

@randallruble7941

6 ай бұрын

Thank you for your notes. As presented in Whistler's video the action was questionable but certainly defensible. With your information it is clear that there was no war crime. There was an action of stupidity by the French admiral. Not the first in the history of the World Wars. [Yes I am aware of the question regarding the naming of the wars.]

@randallruble7941

6 ай бұрын

Why in hell [gods name?] did the French refuse to sail to neutral ports in the Caribbean? That would have given them the best of all options. If the British sank them on the way; se la vie. But possibly not all the ships lost. If the German U-boats sank them; same. If the Americans sank them; same. If they reached a Caribbean port. Great, the French may have a fleet after the war. Or they might be able to sneak out of the port and harass American interest if they wanted to stay “Vichy” and Axis oriented.

@jean-philippebobin3732

6 ай бұрын

@@randallruble7941 wtf are talking about, the French Admiral receive those proposition that were give your navy to Britain or go starve to Death in the Carabbean, France had signed a truce for there navy to not aggravate germain action in France and saying they stay neutral, Britain only ask the French navy to surrender and then firing without an Ultimatum on a former allies and a neutreul cuntrie. That call a war crime

The author Kurt Vonnegut was a POW in Dresden at the time of the bombing. His story best illustrates the absurdity of wat. When his Allies and fellow countrymen bombed the city the Germans took hi to an air raid shelter. Later his allies the Russians approached and started shelling the remnants of the city. The Germans then moved him westward. As he pointed out his countrymen and his allies tried to kill him, it was his enemies who saved his life.

@carrite

6 ай бұрын

You basically have it, but not quite. Vonnegut and his fellow prisoners, used for slave labor (itself a war crime), were housed at night in an underground meat locker, Schlachthof-fünf - Slaughterhouse 5. So while the city burned above in February 1945, he survived below ground.

@ItsLunaRegina

5 ай бұрын

@@carrite It is still true what dominic has said. The actions of Vonnegut's enemies kept him alive and the actions of his allies would have killed him.

@dieterbarkhoff1328

3 ай бұрын

@@ItsLunaRegina The Israelis call it The Hannibal Option'

@OTDMilitaryHistory

3 ай бұрын

The city was shelled just because by the Soviets. Rumble actually makes for good defensive cover. They would have used artillery to hit the defenders not just to destroy rubble.

@seanodwyer4322

2 ай бұрын

@@OTDMilitaryHistory could been more killed if bombing not happen as russia could hav been more deadly with attacks and kiled more Dresden volk.

The connection between war and inhumane actions is absolutely undeniable.

@gandydancer9710

5 ай бұрын

That's meaningless. War is inherently inhumane, but many "inhumane actions" are completely unrelated to war.

@philipliethen519

4 ай бұрын

War is synonymous with inhumane actions methinks.

@gandydancer9710

4 ай бұрын

@@philipliethen519 Again, NO. Reread what I wrote.

@dennisweidner288

Ай бұрын

@dem4christ04 Duh, of course. Also undeniable is that the only way to confront evil is by force,

For me the worst has to be the The Laconia incident. Refers to an event during World War II in September 1942 when a German U-boat, U-156, torpedoed the British troopship RMS Laconia. Unusually, the U-boat's crew then began rescue operations for the survivors, including the ship's passengers and prisoners of war. However, when the German submarine was spotted by American aircraft, it was attacked. The incident led to changes in the German U-boat rescue policy. The most fkd up thing about this is the fact that the americans blatantly ignored a huge Red Cross flag on the foredeck on the sub, 4 lifeboats full of people being towed and started a bombing run. All they destroyed were 2 lifeboats of around 100 people from the RMS Laconia. The Captain of the sub wanted to start evacuations after torpedoing, because it was "the right thing to do and we are their only hope". There was also a second German sub, one Italian sub and 2 French warships on their way to aid. The bombing runs left the U-156 moderately damaged, but still managing to submerge. To the remaining RMS Laconia's survivors, the U-156 re-emerged after the americans left, leaving them in awe. The Germans at this point had had enough and considered the now 4-day rescue mission over and left. The German U-boat rescue policy was changed so that no rescue effort shall be made unless there is a full guarantee of the sub and it's crew's safety. One of the remaining lifeboats that weren't picked up again by the same German subs and transferred to the French warship, drifted around for 27 days until they found land in the Liberian coast. 16 out of the 68 souls in that boat survived. The Laconia incident was also used in the Nuremberg trials, where the German Admiral Karl Döniz only got a 10-year sentence because of what the U-156 and the U-507 had done to rescue survivors. I may have not remembered every detail correctly as i mostly wrote this from memory. Feel free to correct me if i'm wrong

@JJKillerElite

2 ай бұрын

I suppose it's about perspective, a German u boat torpedoes a ship then attempts rescuing survivors. From an alternate perspective, The U boat will continue operations, sinking and killing how many other people and ships? Destroying the Submarine at the cost of civilian lives may have been viewed as a worthwhile trade off

@miskatonic6210

2 ай бұрын

​​@@JJKillerElite No, that's not how it works! There is no "perspective" to an obvious warcrime like that.

@JJKillerElite

2 ай бұрын

@miskatonic6210 you seem to be living in a perfect world where all atrocities are equal regardless of reasoning or aim, unfortunately war is not waged according to justice and equality. No nation in history could win such a war

@littleguy6753

Ай бұрын

​@miskatonic6210 nice sentiment but ww2 had war crimes on both sides. WW2 was the last war where America was attacked. The men who fought it had grown up dirt-poor and had no sympathy for our enemies.

@globalpropertyinvestment

Ай бұрын

@@JJKillerElite No, that is a war crime. One can only act on current situations and not take into account hypothetical future situations. Morally and legally that US bomber crew was wrong and people died for nothing. If one accepts such behaviour, then one can expect the same in return, a never ending escalation of barbarity.

Bloody hell. We all know these things happened, but are not told about them. Thank you Simon. A part 2 would be appreciated.

@robertwilliams-day320

7 ай бұрын

Read any first person perspective of war and you’ll find account of war crimes, from loot to murder to sometimes much worse. The famous example would Lt. Spears in Band of Brothers* but might I recommend Charles B. McDonald’s Company Commander, a fantastic book, but watch out for how casually it dismisses rape. *I know there a massive amount of doubt about if it actually happened but in way the truth isn’t important, only what the people at the time believed was true.

@THEFUTUREMARINE2016

7 ай бұрын

I was taught all these things in high school. Did you just not pay attention?

@thenordiccomrade7100

7 ай бұрын

@@THEFUTUREMARINE2016you know, the subjects that are told in history classes varies from school to school, even more so on a county by county basis and on top of that, it varies between different countries

@archstanton6102

7 ай бұрын

​@THEFUTUREMARINE2016 Yes because what you were taught in school is exactly what everyone else in the world has been taught and will continue to be taught. Mug.

@Epidombe

7 ай бұрын

@@THEFUTUREMARINE2016probably a propaganda bot

I once had an Eastern German textbook for English that was used in schools. They used the phrase "the English bombed Dresden heavily" as an example to explain the difference between adjectives and adverbs. They also had many texts that extolled the achievements of the British communist party and the protest against the Vietnam war and its violent suppressions by American police forces. Interestingly the textbooks for Russian never used examples like "the red army raped many women in Germany" to teach the Russian language.

@AdamSchadow

6 ай бұрын

Now text books tell kids about how ukrainians are suffering almost as if government issued learning materials for children were always full of outright propaganda.

@karlheinzvonkroemann2217

6 ай бұрын

We did similar things to West Germany. ALL Media came under the control of the "Allied Control Commission". We all know that the Nazis band some 8.5k books but we don't hear that the Americans band 35k books. All political Parties had to be approved by the Control Commission, school curriculums are a product of the Allied Control Commission. This is just a little bit of what went on and some of it is now an integral part of the BRD today. The bottom line is that a completely sovereign Germany disappered from world history in 1945. If you look and read you can find all of this and more about the postwar era.

@petegarnett7731

6 ай бұрын

I note that they forgot to mention that someone fire-bombed Coventry (very heavily) before that event. I hope the British use rather more mundane examples in most of their language text books.

@23GreyFox

5 ай бұрын

Because the USSR made sure that any mention of soviet crimes would bring you in a lot of trouble. As a teenager my mother learned it the hard way. But everyone in the former Warsaw Pact know how Russians are. The horrors of their occupation are well remembered.

@gandydancer9710

5 ай бұрын

@@petegarnett7731 The Germans did not "fire-bomb" Coventry, AFAIK. They BOMBED Coventry, and the British had alreay bombed German cities at that point, but they didn't use incendiaries, they used high-explosive bombs. Words have actual meanings.

I vividly remember when I was a sophomore in highschool (1999) when it came time to cover the events that led to WW2 in Europe and the Pacific. There came a point when my history teacher, informed us that what he was about to discuss was about the less than stellar behavior/crimes performed by The Allies (i.e. Japanese Internment Camps and much more). He also made it known that these topics were not part of the lesson plan approved by the school board. But he said that he wouldn't be able to call himself an educator if he didn't teach us everything and not gloss over or outright skip certain issues.

@dennisweidner288

Ай бұрын

@ShaneWreck83 Did he explain how different internment camps were to NAZI and Japanese concentration camps? Did he explain how 95 percent of the civilians and POWs killed in the War were killed by the Axis and Soviets? If he did, he was an educator If he did not he was a propagandist.

@bertellijustin6376

5 күн бұрын

Bullshit. I graduated in 1999. We were taught all of these things. Because it was part of the curriculum. All of our school books came from Texas back then. If you went to a public school you were taught these things because it was part of the established curriculum. And it was in the books we all used. Your teacher was a nutter or you’re misremembering things.

I believe the duality of war is best expressed in the Mark Twain story of "The War Prayer". Its a good short read and i highly recomend it to anyone watching. There are no war crimes, only failed leadership of our side or theirs. I would even go so far as to say war itself is the crime. The folks who begin it should be held accountable and on the front lines.

@Schimml0rd

5 ай бұрын

Yes! Let them fight their own wars

@StallionStudios1234

10 күн бұрын

Very cool I will check that out. Thanks for sharing!

I’ll never understand why people always feel the need to point out how the good guys aren’t really that. And even act like they’re just as bad. Can you imagine the US troops committing their own “rape of Nanking” or the terrible things the Red Army did to women during their fight into German territory? You think the internment camps were completely unnecessary? And you think they were anywhere near as bad as concentration camps or the gulags??

The sinking of the Willhelm Gustloff would have been a good one to include. An estimated 9,000 passengers died when it was hit by a soviet torpedo. There were German military personnel on-board, but most were civilian refugees fleeing the soviets.

@gandydancer9710

5 ай бұрын

Why is sinking a transport a war crime? Did the Soviet submariner captain have the manifest to tell that most of the passengers were civilians rather than redeploying troops? (IIRC the US sank a transport carrying US, etc., POWs away from Wake Island. Was THAT a war crime too?)

@mikebellis5713

4 ай бұрын

​@@gandydancer9710the Willem Gustloff was shadowed by the sub for some time. The Gustloff had no escorts. So it was obvious it was not a warship. And this was at the end of the war when there was no reason to massacre anyone. Like bombing Dresden

@mateuszslawinski1990

4 ай бұрын

@@mikebellis5713 Gustloff was armed (with machine guns acting as AA guns), didn't put lights on and didn't figure as hospital ship (even as simply painting red cross on the side). By all means it was military vessel, escort or not. If anything, civilians shouldn't be allowed there at all.

@gandydancer9710

4 ай бұрын

@@mikebellis5713 No, the lack of an escort did not mark the Gustloff as a non-military transport. Ocean liners used as military transports, by both sides, routinely relied on speed rather than escorts/convoys for self-protection. Actually the Gustloff had three escorts, but two dropped out with mechanical problems.

@Ah01

3 ай бұрын

Gustloff was fully legitimate target, carried U-boat crews and hilfsmarines, sailed painted in kriegsmarine grey, flying kriegsmarine colours. Nothing unclear about that status, even though it was a huge tragedy and loss of life. (Gustloff was a kriegsmarine floating barrack and transport from 1940 november on. Before that it was briefly a hospital ship. )

I've been told so many stories of war crimes by the veterans who were actually there when they happened, I've lost count. Committed by the so called Good Guys, on the "right" side of the war, they refute much of the school text books and historical novels. Murder, torture, theft, rape - often done to unarmed civilians and some times children. As one old dogface told me, "It wasn't like a John Wayne movie". Some knew they were the Bad Guys, too. As the heroic and famous Chuck Yeager said to his wing man in 1945, when they were ordered to shoot EVERY THING that moved on the ground in Germany (non-combatants, children, etc.), "It's a good thing we're on the winning side, because from now on, we're War Criminals."

@OTDMilitaryHistory

3 ай бұрын

The Germans were still the bad guys. Need I remind you of the Holocaust.

@dennisweidner288

Ай бұрын

@DrippyTheRaindrop You need to retake 2nd grade math. Some 95 percent of the civilians killed in World War II were killed by the Axis. Killing civilians was a high priority NAZI war goal. In contrast, America saved tens of millions of civilians in relief operations during and after both world wars. Not to mention the millions saved because the NAZIs were defeated.

@StallionStudios1234

11 күн бұрын

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@StallionStudios1234

11 күн бұрын

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The 3rd story is even more sad because a German U-Boat Commander, Werner Hartenstein did the total opposite. He risked his crew's life to save survivors of a ship they just sank, called the Allies and gave their location asking for help.

@dovetonsturdee7033

6 ай бұрын

I wonder if the fact that they were Italian PoWs might have influenced him?

@gandydancer9710

5 ай бұрын

@@dovetonsturdee7033 The Laconia was carrying 463 officers and crew, 87 civilians, 286 British soldiers, 1,793 Italian prisoners and 103 Polish soldiers. I'm not aware that Hartenstein restricted himself to attempting to save Italians. Did you pull that from your butt?

@dovetonsturdee7033

5 ай бұрын

@@gandydancer9710 Oh dear. The usual resort to insult by an ignoramus. How tedious. Please show me where in my single sentence comment I made such a statement. I simply asked a question. Buy a dictionary and look up what 'question' means.

@Clippidyclappidy

2 ай бұрын

@@dovetonsturdee7033U-boats stopping for survivors was pretty standard, especially for merchant ships. Well, until this incident happened then it became prohibited to attempt rescues.

@dovetonsturdee7033

2 ай бұрын

@@Clippidyclappidy Absolute nonsense. Have you seen inside a WW2 Type VII u-boat? Even had a commander considered picking up a few survivors, there was barely enough space inside one for the crew. Your ignorance is showing.

Mers-el-Kebir is somewhat misrepresented here as the British did try to avoid a fight. The ultimatum that they presented was more than surrender the ships or be sunk, they included options like sail to the US (which was neutral, this happened before Pearl Harbor) and be interned for the rest of the war, or sail to French colonies in the Caribbean IIRC - basically a place where they would be completely out of reach for the Germans; both of these would have been much more acceptable to France as they weren't eager to risk losing their ships to the Germans or the British for that matter. But the commander of the port at Mers-el-Kebir somehow forgot to mention these options when he asked his superiors for orders - perhaps intentionally - so the whole thing ended in a naval battle. For reference, the same operation at Alexandria ended without bloodshed because the French had a much more reasonable person in command there. kzread.info/dash/bejne/Y5Wjy5VshqSnf5c.html

@tomcharles6972

7 ай бұрын

Couldn't have been said better.

@DeaconBlu

7 ай бұрын

I seem to recall this information as well. It is rarely presented with “all” options on the table. Typically? It’s “surrender or die”. Which wasn’t the case at all. Not from everything I’ve seen/heard/read.

@Appophust

7 ай бұрын

Simon is quite often full of crap.

@ImpmanPDX

7 ай бұрын

I'm not saying that it wasn't a terrible international incident, but Admiral Gensour and his commander/envoy who's name I can't remember didn't do their fleet any favors. Having an adequate translator on site would have saved everyone a lot of grief. Also I'm glad that's a Drach video because anything else would just not have done.

@Appophust

7 ай бұрын

​@@ImpmanPDX"Drach?" May I ask what that means? I thought it meant "dragon."

This needs to be spoken about more. We're sold this grand story of WW2 as a black and white good versus evil conflict. But as is the case in every war. Everyday regular people get caught in the middle of it all and their stories are often forgotten. Thanks for not forgetting them Simon

@CosmicBrain21

6 ай бұрын

I disagree, I don’t think it should be talked about. It’s a teeny minority of wrong-doings (some still debatable) that’s a common casualty of war. Talking about these anomalies out of proportion to the necessary sacrifices that good men had to give, makes it seem like it wasn’t good vs evil when it clearly was. I’ll always be thankful of the sacrifices that men made for us so we can be free today.

@Monkechnology

6 ай бұрын

​@@CosmicBrain21GTFO with your "It's okay when we do it" rubbish

@stevehicks8944

6 ай бұрын

That isn’t what he is saying. To flagellate ourselves over acts committed nearly eighty years ago proves nothing; not a damn thing will be changed by it. To compare the relatively few incidents of war crimes committed by U.S. and British troops to the gross atrocities committed by the Axis powers is lunacy at best; revisionist at worst.

@12floz67

5 ай бұрын

@@CosmicBrain21 🍻

@Sasheenka

4 ай бұрын

@@CosmicBrain21good men don’t rape lol

Thank you for going through this side of the war as well. We all know the horrors the axis wrought and i think we all would spend the rest of our lives crying in the night had we seen even a percent of all the horrors and felt even half of the pain that horror brought. However we also owe it to every single dead and massacred innocent soul to tell the whole story, not just the glorious victories but also the darkest moments of all of the involved parties. I have read about and talked to survivors of several wars and the absolute horrors they have been through still affects me deeply. Its enough for me to not be able to sleep some nights and i wasnt the person this happened to. Its a small miracle that beauty still manages to light its flame after the torrents of pain that has flooded the streets of humanity.

@dennisweidner288

Ай бұрын

@zipp4everyone263 Unfortunately, we all do not know the immensity of Axis war crimes. The vast majority of the killing of civilians and POWs was done by the Axis.

Inter arma enim silent leges is a Latin phrase that literally means "For among arms, the laws are silent" but is more popularly rendered as "In times of war, the law falls silent."

I was born (in the UK) towards the end of WW2. I had a lot of extended family who had been involved in the conflict. Those who survived it were in a minority. One uncle who survived told me of a single war crime he witnessed. Committed not by a German but by an American officer who forced German prisoners to dig a hole, then 'grease-gunned' them into it. Reporting this to his own officers, he was ordered to shut his mouth or face the consequences. Another great-uncle, serving in submarines, twice witnessed German survivors being machine-gunned in the water. No idea if it was anything to do with events depicted here. Complaining to senior officers, he found himself fast-tracked to misfortune in his (volunteer) naval career. Yet another relative, serving in the far east, served alongside Malayan resistance forces against the Japanese. Only to find, months after the War's end, that former comrades were now 'commie terrorists' because they had the affrontery to expect independence from both Japan and Britain. He was actually given charge of re-armed Japanese POWs under British officers tasked with 'maintaining order' among an increasingly hostile local population. If truth is the first casuality of war, then surely moral high ground quickly becomes the second.

@MartinCanada

5 ай бұрын

"Fast-tracked to misfortune" -- such a lethal euphemism. Thanks for your comment.

@RuhRohRaggie069

5 ай бұрын

So these Innocent solders were passing out bibles door to door when this happened I knew a lovely Jewish ( Krimheld as a little girl ) had the tattooed numbers on the inside of her wrist she lived the nightmare then & haunted her thoughts her entire life but she explained German soldiers cruel but the German civilian's could be even worse their were no innocent people fighting in hell hole but a 500,000 Americans gave their lives saving Europe's ass Hero she said the UK soldiers notorious barn yard animal molestation in the country sde

@johnjones4129

3 ай бұрын

The British army reportably rearmed Japanese prisoners of war in Vietnam too …French Indo- China….in the fight against communists

@MartinCanada

3 ай бұрын

@@johnjones4129 True enough. Mark Felton posted a 9-minute video essay "Britain's Vietnam War" to KZread (August 2019) which recounts Operation Masterdom and the re-arming of Japanese Imperial troops in September 1945 to fight alongside British forces. Cheers.

@Philip271828

Ай бұрын

There's a book, Mountbatten's Samurai, (which I am yet to read) on Japanese Surrendered Persons (not PoWs, it preserves honour and sidesteps the Geneva Checklist) being used as colonial police in Indochina. It's also supposed to be the last time that American and British soldiers have shot at each other.

Remember, it's not a War Crime if you win the War.

@johanmetreus1268

6 ай бұрын

It is still a war crime, you just won't be punished over it,

@briansanchez9899

6 ай бұрын

Or if the term isn't invented, or if you are allied to the USA...

@tonys7675

6 ай бұрын

Don’t try to take over Europe or the Pacific Rim and you won’t have to worry about it.

@needsmetal

3 ай бұрын

@@briansanchez9899 considering the first draft of the Geneva convention was mostly what the Canadians did in ww1

@Jimmy-zo7xv

2 ай бұрын

Truer words hav never been spoken.

Curtis LeMay said about the fire-bombing of Tokyo and Dresden, "If we had lost the war, we would have been prosecuted as war criminals." It is estimated that over 100,000 civilians were killed in Tokyo.

A rarely mentioned war crime was New Zealand troops in the Western Desert killing wounded and defenceless German soldiers in a military hospital. The New Zealand general apologised to Rommel saying he was unable to control some of his Māori troops.

@jordanhicks5131

3 ай бұрын

I mean, he should respect their heritage, the Maori didn't really do the whole "taking prisoners" thing historically.

@jfruser

2 ай бұрын

Did they eat them, too?

@chrisbilham7587

2 ай бұрын

In the 1980s I did a hiking trip in NZ together with a Dutch guy - typical North European appearance, over 6 feet tall, blond hair, blue eyes. When we finished (in a remote country settlement) we went to the pub for a beer or three. We met an elderly Maori who asked if my friend was German, saying that he looked just like some Germans he had met during the war. His unit had captured some Germans in Italy - teenagers and clearly terrified. The NZ soldiers tried to reassure them that they were safe. Then an officer came over and ordered them to shoot the prisoners. They did, but this man still felt bad about it nearly 40 years later.

@dennisweidner288

Ай бұрын

@robertmchugh9024 A little context is needed here. How many Germans were killed inn such circumstances? The actual number can not be very many. Most German POWs in Allied hands not only survived the War but actually gained weight. Some 5.7 million Soviet military personnel fell into German hands during World War II. By the end of the War, only about 930,000 Soviet POWs had survived.

When I was a teenager my mom worked with w gentleman that was a pilot of a B-17 during WWII. He was telling them ine day that every set of mission orders they received had at the bottom the addition instructions that if thier bomber was damaged, they were runnung low on fuel, or any reason they could not reach their intended target they were to pick out the closest enemy town or city, bomb it, then retutn to base.

@dsxa918

7 ай бұрын

Horrific

@DjDolHaus86

7 ай бұрын

In fairness, even during ideal conditions it was considered a major success if they landed 5% of the bombs within 2 miles of the intended target. Finding the correct city when all you've got is a compass bearing and a stopwatch was hard enough (less than 1/3rd who reported a successful mission actually reached the designated target) let alone dropping bombs with any degree of accuracy from 10000ft. Bomber command was rarely far from controversy throughout the entire war though, they wasted a lot of their own men, millions of tons of expensive ordinance and aircraft and caused massive civilian casualties while having a highly questionable success rate

@jocktheripper2073

7 ай бұрын

Check out the history of the B17, then ask yourself, who were the US future planning carpet bombing (the only real use for heavy bombers) in 1935. Mexico? Canada?

@cameron398

6 ай бұрын

Sorry you feel this way but it is called total war for a reason. Breaking the will of the Germans to support their great leader meant sometimes hitting hole cities. It is easy to look back now and say "Oh the allies were going to win", but many times during the war it may not have happened. Bad things happen in war and sadly for people who haven't been there you will never understand. Sit back with your judgements but if you were not in the trenches your opinion matters less. (25 year US Army Officer still serving with 46 months between Iraq and Afghanistan whose grandfathers fought in Bastone and in the Navy Pacific fight).

@flintbeckadventuretours4955

6 ай бұрын

@@jeremyw6246 so from the perspective of a huge part of the global population, suffering under British, American and French rule, it was absolutely acceptable, that crimes would be committed against the civilian population of these nations? That’s what you’re saying as well, right?

I was wondering if this video was going to cover any of Canada's war crimes, but then I realized "Yeah no.. if there was going to be a video covering Canadian war crimes it would likely be it's own long episode on Into The Shadows" (Canada is largely why many sections of the Geneva Convention was even created...)

@ToddSauve

7 ай бұрын

Can you cite any sources for your claim Canada was the reason for the Geneva Convention?

@remmistein

7 ай бұрын

​@@ToddSauveKZread unfortunately flags any comments with links automatically as spam and deletes them. However, the Canadian armed forces throughout both world wars had been sadistically ruthless towards their foes, including prisoners of war (which were often tortured then killed, or just killed) The Third Geneva Convention itself when reading through it certain sections appear to fit very specifically with certain things the Canadian army committed towards Germans during WW1.

@ToddSauve

7 ай бұрын

@@remmistein If you can provide concrete sources it would be helpful. Until then, well ... I read extensively on WW2 and am aware of certain crimes committed by the Canadian army. One town in Germany was ordered to be obliterated by General Chris Vokes toward the end of the war. Wars are very ugly affairs I suppose is all anyone can say. God will judge everyone on that day.

@jeremymoses7401

7 ай бұрын

​@@ToddSauvei wouldnt be surprised if there was some truth to it..... not screwing with Canada is kind of its own trope and not the 1st time ive heard the sentiment.

@petemclean1352

7 ай бұрын

As a Canadian, all I'm gonna say is. They fucking started it ! Both times ! We've apologized for our actions during the wars, and have been pretty fucking chill ever since. "If I had American technology. British Officer's, and Canadian soldiers, I'd rule the world" Winston Churchill.

It's never "good guys vs bad guys" in history, It's always "our valiant knights in shining armour vs their evil monsters".

The French admiral had several honorable options. He was also provided with a specific timetable. He chose to call the Poms bluff and threw away the ships and his sailors.

@jean-philippebobin3732

6 ай бұрын

You mean he didn't betray is countries in fear of retaliation of the Germain and that the British messenger forgot to told him they would attack, I have a hard time believing those who sank hospital ship on a regular basis?

@bokajtob96

2 ай бұрын

Yes, I've heard this too.

@bdleo300

5 күн бұрын

Yeah, I guess you can blame Roosevelt for Pearl Harbor...

The single largest civilian casualty event should be explored by you. That being the fire bombing of Tokyo. It killed more than the 2 atomic bombs combined

@Leo_Pard_A4

7 ай бұрын

Yes, it was very effective.

@YamaXI

6 ай бұрын

@@Leo_Pard_A4Some would say, alongside the nukes, that it convinced the Japanese to surrender and saved many more lives from needless combat and also preserved japan’s sovereignty in the following concords and agreements.

@GrievousReborn

6 ай бұрын

News flash Simon Whistler has talked about the Toyko fire bombings on one of his various channels.

@carrite

6 ай бұрын

@@YamaXI - Which does not lessen the fact that it was a war crime.

@astralb.2647

3 ай бұрын

True, Tokyo fire bombing was the deadliest, but the nuclear bombs had more lasting effects, as there are still babies born with DNA abnormalities because of the radiation almost 80 years later, so I get why people see them as "worse".

Thank you for mentioning the last one, Dresden. I am from there. My ancestors barely survived that bombing, my great grandmother hid under a table and was buried out later. It was total destruction, like after a heavy earthquake, but with added inferno of the white phosphorous bombs that were used, fires you cannot put out which killed so many. That was the human tragedy. The cultural one was that this city of immense beauty that kept immeasurable historical treasures was destroyed, luckily much could be rebuilt meanwhile. The people of the past creating that beauty had nothing to do with the crimes of the Nazi regime. But this terror bombing happened to many cities on both sides of the war, we must not forget this and hopefully never repeat history and do it again or it won't make us better than the ones in our past comitting these kind of atrocities on civilians.

@user-yp9fb1jb6m

7 ай бұрын

European nations are inviting hostile forces from Middle East and Africa who will do exactly the same destruction. However, it will happen slowly and less noticeably. This time the destruction will be complete and will never be rebuilt. The same is happening in USA.

@pippastar1606

7 ай бұрын

nicely said

@war4thog741

7 ай бұрын

As I was hearing about, a lot of American funds have been distributed to rebuild Dresdens destroyed monuments, such as the Frauenkirche

@timsytanker

7 ай бұрын

It wasn’t a war crime it was a military target, asked for by the Russians.

@stephenlight647

6 ай бұрын

Kinda like remembering not to eliminate all the Jews? Like that kind of advice?

Execute order 9066. In regards to the Royal Navy. There were more incidents, even one where a British ship engaged the enemy flying a foreign nations flag and shooting shipwreck survivors. However every commander was open about it, even boasting their reasons... quoting that is is for "Such and such", listing previous attacks on civilian ships and other previous crimes, as far back as the start of WW1. They saw it as a "Eye for an eye"... it was also why the Kriegsmarine started targeting merchant vessels... because they started "Eye for an eye" too. Even Dresdon... Churchill openly stated that after the Blitz... towns are now legitimate targets should they have any link to the enemy military. Bismarck... the list goes on. "An eye for an eye leaves the world blind"

As a former soldier I can safely say that war is the crime. As a realist, I can also sadly but safely say that the crime of war will always exist.

@dennisweidner288

Ай бұрын

@danielroncaioli6882 Without war we would still have slavery and the world would be run by a NAZI state.

9:37 I can only imagine the letter reading something like "We hope this does not cause you any great inconvenience good sir, but have to ask if you could you please stop killing enemy survivors?"

Per the Japanese American Internment - you forgot the US vs Korematsu (which disputed the constitutionality of the internment in the first place) but was initiated because the USA was DRAFTING young men out of the prison camps to fight for the US war effort. Now most Japanese Americans (tens of thousands of them) volunteered but around 60 men refused, saying that you couldn't strip all constitutional rights from a people BUT then demand that they do their civic duty to join the military and fight. This was the biggest abomination to me, to draft men from the camps to fight after taking everything away from them. Of course, this was just an abomination to the American ideal of justice and constitutionality. Our prison camps were a far cry from the camps in Europe, which were 'correctly labeled' Death camps because they served a completely different purpose.

@mindmedic9435

7 ай бұрын

Not to mention, how ironic that they served with distinction, exceptional bravery, and were very effective in the European theater. This isn't an opinion, it's fact backed by the results. But the extra slap in the face was how they faced unchecked and blatant racism after released from the camps.

@Nope_handlesaretrash

7 ай бұрын

I'm more shocked at the cuckolds volunteering to fight for the government abusing them so

@Ivantheterrible81280

7 ай бұрын

Always the spineless ones who lament about something they enjoy the fruits of.

@mikehinnekamp

6 ай бұрын

In no way was imprisoning Japanese Americans right. But there is no way I would compare it to concentration camps. At least children weren't separated and all gassed when they arrived. Shame on you Simon for that comparison.

@johanmetreus1268

6 ай бұрын

@@mikehinnekamp Concentration camps are a British invention from their African wars to gain better control over the population, or certain elements thereof. While death of the intaken was not a goal by any means, the resulting death tolls weren't exactly lamented either.

Congratulations for doing this video. As an Australian, I note Australian troops historically took few prisoners in WW1 against the Arabian rebels (Egypt and Sinai campaigns) and Germans (Western Front). They did happily take Turkish prisoners in WW1 - the Diggers had a lot of respect for John Turk. It was a pity that the Turks treated their captives so poorly. Similarly with the Japanese in WW2. Partly explained by reaction to the tendency of German machine gunners in WW1 continuing to fire until the Diggers were within bayonnette range and then putting their hands up. As regards the Japanese in WW2, few would consider surrender, many attempted to kill their captors after apparent surrender and the barbaric treatment of Australian/ US POWs all made mercy by the Australians (and US troops) to Japanese troops a rare occurrence. And yes, Australian and US aircrew did strafe Japanese troops in the water (particularly in the Battle of the Bismark Sea), following orders to prevent them being rescued and then taken as reinforcements to Lae to fight in that battle - easier to kill them in the water than in the jungle. Interesting Dresden was mentioned, but not the firebombing of Japanese cities, and the selection of purely civilian targets for the atom bombs. No side had 'çlean hands' but there was a very different level of scale between the Allies and Germany/ Japan. History is written by the winners.

Dresden was far from the only city targeted, Würzburg was bombed on march 16th 1945. There were no military targets, the only reason it was targeted was that it had over 300000 inhabitants and they wanted to kill as many germans as possible before the war ended. The city was 97% destroyed and it was even contemplated to leave it like that as a memorial. Even today you can still see traces of the bombing as the house I grew up in still had burn marks on the stairs.

@dennisweidner288

Ай бұрын

@personc6122 Nonsnce. there was not a single city in Germany including Dresden that was not involved in the NAZI war economy.

@StallionStudios1234

10 күн бұрын

Governed by 4 great Empires. You navigate the universe. You have complete neural control. So be adventurous. If if you want to fight, you can fly solo missions. While for some it can be the thrill of fleeting up. You can look into uncharted space. You can also engage in prosperity. These can be done alone or with others.

You should do one on Canada, cause they did some absolute horrid things in WWII. Lots of which became part of the Geneva Convention

@MrBuckman420

6 ай бұрын

Shush people don't need to know that Canada ain't as friendly as we pretend

@dylanpardee2492

6 ай бұрын

I agree!!!!

@Blox117

6 ай бұрын

what are you talking aboot

@ordinaryAussie

6 ай бұрын

Also they had horrific things done to em as well

@GrievousReborn

6 ай бұрын

​​@@Blox117I don't think this one's part of violating the Geneva Convention but Canada also interred Japanese citizens of their country at least 22k Japanese Canadians

Im slightly surprised you mentioned the firebombing of Dreanden but not Tokyo. That particular conflagration killed as many people as did the nukes, iirc.

@jrmckim

7 ай бұрын

There's a difference between the Tokyo and Dresden fire bombing. The Japanese really, really, really wanted to continue the war. Dresden is in a weird spot at which a lot of Germany was somewhere between going through the motions, or barely able to contain the white flags if they were in West Germany. Japan had no such slack of external signs of resistance. This isn't to justify burning down most Japanese urban centers, that's a different discussion, but it makes it less controversial as it may have been unequal blows, but Japan was still trying to stay in the fight. Also,vTokyo is a major industrial hub and center of government. Dresden was a regional city of minimal importance...until it became a key hub for troop movements. It's an easier pitch to accept bombing someone's most relevant industrial governmental hub.

@simplylethul

7 ай бұрын

​@@jrmckimThe Japanese didn't want to continue to war, you're literally lying right now and the Tokyo bombing killed over 100k civilians...fcking disgusting.

@globalrevolution

7 ай бұрын

The bombing of Dresden is highly politicized by Neofascists to this day, sadly.

@RiderOftheNorth1968

7 ай бұрын

@@jrmckim Non of this is relevant arguments to fire bomb civilians.

@kieronparr3403

7 ай бұрын

War is Hell

"No one in this war has been killed with a bayonet who didn't have his hands up first." First World War soldier.

The worst part is that a vast majority of these horrific monsters got away with it.

@bdleo300

5 күн бұрын

All of them. Including many of Axis war criminaIs saved by the US after the war, including Japanese Unit 731. perhaps the worst of all. They all were saved and even hired by the US.

A letter to a Submarine captain asking him politely to not kill civilians is as British as it gets. Back in the glory days anyway.

@hillre14

7 ай бұрын

Those glory days include colonization and the starvation of thousands of Indian men children and women... I think peoples nostalgia often clouds the facts the glory days were fucked up everywhere

@gandydancer9710

5 ай бұрын

@@hillre14 You think death for thousands of Indian men children and women only started when the British showed up? I'm anyway not recognizing this "letter to a Submarine captain asking him politely to not kill civilians" incident.

@hillre14

5 ай бұрын

@@gandydancer9710 get off the "soapbox" I was advocating for a people who's pain is largely ignored. What I won't tolerate is you lecturing because I didn't say something in a way you felt I should've said.

I'm sure it's been said, War Crimes are defined/prosecuted by the victors. We can only hope to limit them, on either side.

@j.a.weishaupt1748

7 ай бұрын

War crimes are defined by international treaty’s such as The Hague and Geneva conventions and not only the victors have signed these.

@Nephale

7 ай бұрын

@@j.a.weishaupt1748 Oh please try to enforce these on the USA. They committed countless of them in Vietnam and Iraq. Are still committing them. The whistleblowers get prosecuted though and not the perpetrators.

While this was technically after world war II, operation keelhaul deserves recognition as one of the worst crimes in history. One which involved all of the allied powers. On the subject of bombing cities during world war II, some estimate that the Nazis killed approximately 60,000 civilians in their bombings of Britain throughout the war. Contrast that to approximately 800,000 civilians killed in Germany from all the allied bombings. One detail that is often overlooked is that Britain bombed Berlin eight times before Hitler ordered retaliatory attacks on London and ultimately other civilian targets in England. Yet so many sources throw in subtle comments about the brutal, evil nature of the German bombings. And Hitler is often depicted as a madman obsessed with bombing London. In a strange twist of fate, my Opa can probably claim that he survived the war because his mom was killed in an American bombing of a German train evacuating civilians. Because of this he was on leave when his unit was surrounded in the siege of Leningrad. He was eventually captured by the Americans whom he says treated him reasonably well. One thing I've heard from a few people who survived WWII in Eastern Europe, Is that the Nazi occupation was far more tolerable than Soviet occupation. Under the Nazis, if you minded your own business and did not oppose them, you were generally safe. Usually people only talk about the exception to this rule. Under the Soviets there was widespread oppression and starvation; religion was a crime; if you had land that they wanted, they just killed you; and sometimes entire villages were killed to deal with isolated resistance in the region. One Slovenian man told me that the Soviets put hundreds of refugees on a train supposedly going to Italy. He was one of them, but had a gut instinct that something bad was going to happen so he escaped from the train. He later found out that everyone on the train had been gunned down before they reached the border. Another Slovenian man told me about how the many caves in Slovenia were sometimes used to inter hundreds of civilians. In other cases civilians were killed in large numbers by being shoved off cliffs and buried.

@josephanderson8655

2 ай бұрын

This is what leftists don't want you to know. This is what the media and schools will never talk about. If someone brings this up you will see people come out of the wood work to justify it by saying "they were nazis and deserved it", and what is being a nazi? It's believing in an ideology that opposes capitalism, democracy, communism, and doesn't want Jews in your country because of all their financial and political manipulation. So basically people who believe the official narrative of WW1 and WW2 think that the Germans deserved it for commiting wrong think. Wrong think is a leftist coined phrase and it means thinking anything that isn't ideologically approved (by leftists).

I applaud you for having the courage to address this all. It has been kept in the dark for far too long. In war, through the ages, all sides commit acts both of good and, unfortunately, of evil.

@rodwilkins1614

2 ай бұрын

Only you have been in the dark. Everybody else already knew about this.

@dennisweidner288

Ай бұрын

@@rodwilkins1614 Absolutely correct.

@dennisweidner288

Ай бұрын

@ronyeahwiggie729 Nonsense. You must be the only person on the planet who is unaware og Google. And on Google often Allied war crimes get more attention than Axis war crimes even though most of the killing of civilians and POWs was done by the Axis and Soviets.

@bdleo300

5 күн бұрын

A lot of angry Mericans and Brits in comments... What's next, calling ChurchiII a war criminal? How dare you!

My grandfather a bridge officer on a British destroyer in the Mediterranean, after sinking a German frigate the captain ordered the destroyer to turn around and run down the few hundred German sailors in the water. Made him tear up telling the story, war is hell.

@TheAliking14

4 ай бұрын

Bullshit

@edwardwood3622

4 ай бұрын

@@TheAliking14 all true man.

@dieterbarkhoff1328

3 ай бұрын

@@TheAliking14 You'd know, wouldn't you, because after all, you have been fed lies and propaganda from the moment you were born.

Farewell to Manzanar was my first introduction to the Japanese internment camps. My teacher wanted to show that the U.S had always made knee jerk reactions to threats (patriot act). It made for some really great discussion on what war and fear can drive us to.

@jacquelynsmith2351

7 ай бұрын

My first introduction was having a teacher who was born in one that wasn't too far a drive away. Hell of a gut punch, that's for sure. And he didn't speak a word of Japanese, and neither did his family. They'd been in the US for generations.

@scottmccloud9029

7 ай бұрын

They promised that the Patriot Act was going to be temporary. Yet it still exists. You ask me why I don't trust the federal government. There's your answer.

@Glitchunlocked

7 ай бұрын

If you ever get a chance to visit Manzanar, I recommend it. There's hardly anything left, but the foundations for most of the buildings still exist as well as the roads and various other parts of the camp. There are memorials setup at the entrance.

@arkadikharovscabinetofcuri3465

7 ай бұрын

Great teacher

@Nicksonian

7 ай бұрын

Ya, the Patriot Act. Legalize all sorts of illegal government activity. And let’s create the Dept. Of “Homeland” Security. Why didn’t they just call it the Dept. of Fatherland Security? Goebbels would be proud.

My grandma told me, that when she her sisters and her mothers were waiting on a train station while already being occupied by the Soviets they used to hide her teenage sister under the luggage, she and her youngest were pretty save and they hoped that her mom could fight off any advances, which apparently worked, at least she never told me otherwise.

@bdleo300

5 күн бұрын

Ah so they r-ped your grandma?

my grandmother told me that the only time she was truly afraid during WW2 was after the liberation when Soviet troops patrolled the streets

Simon face talking about the rape is so expressive. What a horrendous crime.

This, particularly at this time in history, points out the need to avoid war in the first place.

@j.a.weishaupt1748

7 ай бұрын

This time is no different than any other time in modern history. Things may feel tense now, but they were also tense in the 80s, 70s etc…

@mountainmonk5874

6 ай бұрын

War is what people do.

Nicely presented thank you.

Royal Australian aircraft were among those 'Allied aircraft' ordered to machinegun Japanese survivors of the battle of the Bismarck Sea. Veterans were interviewed on Camera in the 1990's explaining how they did multiple sorties over 2 days and often ran out of ammo and saw 'numerous sharks keeping busy' on their floating bodies.

Once you add the soviets and Chinese to the Allied roster, well, war crimes become a norm. Surprised Katynin wasn't mentioned. Too well known, perhaps.

@user-tv9bp8uy7f

7 ай бұрын

My favorite part is that Soviets tried to blame Nazis in Nurnberg for Katyn, but eventually shutted the fuck up because literally NOBODY in the West believed them or their sham "evidences" even despite years of pro-Soviet propaganda

@Flight_of_Icarus

7 ай бұрын

This is about the shocking ones. The Soviets' war crimes weren't exactly shocking. Terrible, but expected with the Soviet way of doing things.

@Nephale

7 ай бұрын

The US puts warcrime whistleblowers in jail. Does not persecute the perpetrators in most cases. Trump even pardoned convicted war criminals.

@Theeight8b

6 ай бұрын

@@Flight_of_IcarusI'd say expected, as most of the soldiers saw what German had done to USSR territories and it's people. I'm not saying that it's ok, but i kinda understand why.

@bel4vel793

6 ай бұрын

Bro, Katyn was proven to be german propaganda a million times

"in war, no one is good. No one is right"

@huemann7637

7 ай бұрын

If you’re defending your home against invaders you definitely are not being a bad guy.

@fredcoleman6827

7 ай бұрын

​@@huemann7637It depends how you defend it.

@JamesFromTexas

7 ай бұрын

In war the poor are sent while the rich grow richer. The warfighter lives in the mud while the people we've given power to relish in their mansions.

@haworthlowell805

7 ай бұрын

There is good and evil on both sides. They believe what they are fighting for is as honorable as what you're defending. Some of the things mention in this video I agree and understand, the rest I can't agree with. In any action be honorable, be fair, but remember you're there to win.

@haworthlowell805

7 ай бұрын

​@@JamesFromTexasTell that to some southerners during the civil war; J bet they wouldn't agree with you while they watched their mansions burn.

A military attack against a military target can never be a war crime. The fact that one side believed they were protected as Allies, is just a strategy - Sun Tzu would agree.

You should make a video about all the war crimes committed by Canada in both world wars, it's actually insane how violent they often were. Or maybe do one on those committed by lesser known nations during the wars.

@dsxa918

7 ай бұрын

It's too contrary to the narrative, to be aware of these things but anyone objectively studying history comprehends.

@haggis525

7 ай бұрын

I'm Canadian... it's war, innit. What my countrymen did in War 1 and 2 was win. No such thing as a fair fight... if you're going to fight fair then you will lose! But isn't it all nice and cozy to sit back 80 or 100 years later and judge them.

@heyysimone

7 ай бұрын

​@@haggis525so youre saying mass rape is fine, because it happened during war? When it served no purpose in winning or losong a war, but was instead a way for men in uniform to assert power of vulnerable women and children? And war crimes happen during the wars youve been alive for. If Canada has been in a war, you can bet they have committed war crimes - maybe not as an entire military force, but there will be many soldiers who have done things. You cant think they havent given the number of soldiers Canada has.

@PoeticPoker262

7 ай бұрын

@haggis525 genuinely disgusting opinion and it's worrying that there's people out there who think this is an OK think to believe.

@haggis525

7 ай бұрын

@@heyysimone That's not what I wrote. You are the one fixated on rape... not me. I wrote regarding the well known propensity in War 1 and lesser but still relatively common in War 2 for Canadian combat soldiers to kill enemy soldiers who were attempting to surrender. Maybe pull your head out of your ass and read what is actually written rather than imprint your fixation on rape onto it. 🤔 War is hell... or haven't you heard?

You missed the US fire bombing Tokyo

@drakeaniha2023

7 ай бұрын

Well they fire bombed us first 😂

@Finnbobjimbob

7 ай бұрын

@@drakeaniha2023NO? They didn’t, they bombed a military installation (Granted it was illegal as war was not declared) and your country responded by setting AN ENTIRE COUNTRY ablaze and topping it off with two Atomic bombs, all of this was intentionally done and meant to kill as many people as possible and destroy as much as possible.

Writer Kurt Vonnegut was a POW bear Dresden at the time and witnessed the aftermath of the bombing. His POW train was also mistakenly attacked by the RAF resulting in 150 POW deaths. He has some interesting quotes from the experience.

I notice the lack of prosecutions. I added them up, in D-Day: The Battle for Normandy, Antony Beevor mentions the murders of about 200 German POWS by allied troops, mainly US paratroopers, as well as murders of French civilians by allied troops. None of his sources were from the German side. Nobody got prosecuted and the Americans who murdered Italian and German POWs at Biscari/Comiso, Sicily were released from prison before the war, although one was later KIA. Eisenhower & Patton just kept sweeping atrocities under the rug. I'm sure one would find a lot more if they seriously looked. I remember as a kid a teacher saying that when he worked on a landing craft after D-day transporting prisoners, he saw a guard blow a German POWs head off with a shotgun for the heck of it. I wish I had asked more about that murder.

@walterkronkitesleftshoe6684

15 күн бұрын

By the time of D-day the nazis had murdered MILLIONS... who gives a flying fuck about 200 krauts, pity it wasn't 20,000?

Thanks for not blocking out the word "rape" all these channels nowadays block out triggering words for sensitive ears and it lessons the seriousness of the topics

@Alverant

7 ай бұрын

IMHO the blocking of that word is done not to offend those who think it is acceptable under certain circumstances than the people who are victims of it.

@ccompson2

7 ай бұрын

@@Alverant everyone has an opinion

@klocugh12

7 ай бұрын

There could be legitimate survivors watching this and getting triggered. While I do think trigger words got out of control, censoring THIS specific word is reasonable to me.

@ccompson2

6 ай бұрын

@klocugh12 yeah but people like you are assuming survivors are either children or idiots because whether censored or not....the context is still there. And if they were paying even a remote bit of attention to the video they'd pick up on the subject matter regardless of censorship and still possibly be triggered.

@markelliott9737

6 ай бұрын

I think many channels do it to avoid being demonetized

Of about 195 Japanese Prisoners of War taken by the United States between January 1, 1942 and June 30, 1942, only 19 made it back to long term holding. 90% died in transit. When as a child I heard of this, I asked several adults I knew who had been in WW2. I was told "It was not US policy to kill Japanese POWs, it just was not policy to not kill Japanese POWs." The wording was consistent enough I found it strange to come from so many sources when I was twelve. I did get one different response from a former US Marine. He told a story of how ground combat units felt about the transport echelon killing POWs. It involved three Guadalcanal veterans explaining things to seven Airmen. Five of the Airmen were hospitalized. The Marines were punished. Confined to quarters for three days, Docked three days pay, bread and water for three days. They were escorted to their tents by the Sgt at Arms. When they got there, they found an ice chest with ice cream and beer plus chocolate bars and local delicacies in their tents. The Regimental Sergent passed the hat for a collection to make up for the lost pay. They each got almost a months pay. It took a while for the transport echelon to get the message.

@gandydancer9710

5 ай бұрын

They actually convicted an American for killing a few dozen Italian and German POWs on Sicily, but he was pardoned and returned to duty after about a year when the heat had died down.

@bdleo300

5 күн бұрын

the US government had no problem to save Japanese Unit 731 from persecution (probably the worst war criminaIs in WW2), they even hired them after the war.

So what all the historians that says the allied didn't commit war crimes are really saying is "it's ok when we do it"

This makes me sick. We had POW camps here in Australia & the camp at Cowra NSW had a escape attempt where people were killed

@shawngilliland243

Ай бұрын

Yes, and it was Japanese POWs who killed Australians.

We had Japanese internment camps here in Canada too. Mostly, but not entirely, in BC.

@sirhenrymorgan1187

7 ай бұрын

Canada also interred Ukrainian Canadians during WW1 and German and Italian Canadians during WW2. America also interred German and Italian Americans during WW2.

@christophermerlot3366

7 ай бұрын

I actually own a pen holder/ink well set that was made by a German internee 1944. @@sirhenrymorgan1187

My father fought in Northern Europe in 1944 and 1945. He didnt doubt that the Germans and his fellow Brits both commited war crimes, but the only ones he saw first hand were committed by the American Army, mainly being the murder of prisoners of war.

@robertstone9988

7 ай бұрын

Got to do what you got to do to win. You want to win and feel bad about how you did it or loose with the moral high ground? By the way loosing usually means the death of you and your culture

@THEFUTUREMARINE2016

7 ай бұрын

I'm fascinated that this is your response to a video on war crimes from multiple countries, including your own.

@johnirby8847

6 ай бұрын

​​@@THEFUTUREMARINE2016yeah it's bizarre 😂. Like saying, I know my own people and the British committed war crimes but let's not forget Americans did it to! What the hell is the difference?!

@Gaphalor

6 ай бұрын

My grand grandfather who fought in all fronts during the war survived all war. But he never returned from giving up his weapons to the Americans and so did his squad. It never came to surface what happened but I think it's quite obvious!

@gandydancer9710

5 ай бұрын

@@johnirby8847 He told you what the difference was. What part of "the only ones he saw first hand" bit used words you didn't understand?

Dresden was neither a logistic center or a manufacturing city. Notably Dresden was attacked after the battle of the bulge, Germany was done as a industrial country. Notably, what was bombed, Dresden center, had no effect on logistics or manufacturing whatsoever. The he’d end rail station hit was passenger traffic only, militarily traffic was unaffected. The only manufacturing affected were cigarettes. The Russians, supposedly the beneficiaries of the bombing, condemned it because it did nothing for their military actions. Most telling, Churchill himself famously questioned its justification.

@peteralflat281

2 күн бұрын

By that stage of the war, this was untrue, much of Dresden's prewar industry had converted to war production, as was the case of every German town and city. That said, the attack was more to fulfil a promise to the Russians rather than military necessity.

Thank you for talking about this, Simon. Assuming you ignore the Soviets, people love to act like allies were bastions of good and the axis were 100% evil to the core when the truth of the matter is there were good and bad people on all sides. And any time you bring up war crimes of the allied powers, idiots like to be like "But the axis was worse!" like it justifies the allies own dark moments.

@StallionStudios1234

10 күн бұрын

Yeah I am Canadian and it was certainly framed like that in our history classes and so forth. Of course the Red Scare after the war I imagine certainly factored into the Soviets not looking like angels.

“Some of you young men think that war is all glamour and glory, but let me tell you, boys, it is all hell!” General William T. Sherman

@Nope_handlesaretrash

7 ай бұрын

Yet another rapacious psychopath given medals for murdering women and children

@bdleo300

5 күн бұрын

Sherman was definitely an expert on war crimes 😃

Thank you! In light of everything going on today people need to see that in war there are no good guys. War crime perpetration was not and is not limited to the “bad guys”.

I dont know.. its seems to me that once the axis powers threw out international law, treaties and rules.. it was carte blanche for the allies to follow suit. It may not be moral but atleast it keeps you alive.

My grandmother, a German Jew who fled with her family in 38. She was not sympathetic towards what happened to Germans, she even refused to have the language spoken in her house.

Those who lived and acted in fear, will be judged who have never witnessed the annihilation of a single individual.

You barely scratched the surface Simon.

I am saddened to know this, but it gladdens my heart know it has not been forgotten!

thank you for doing a video on this, its far too easy for people to ignore the allied war crimes in favour of the axis ones as a way of supporting a black and white view of ww2, as a history student/future historian and it is always valuable to look at things not as black and white but as a muddy middle ground otherwise you get caught up in bias

1:10 - Chapter 1 - America concentration camps 4:25 - Chapter 2 - Sinking the french fleet 7:25 - Chapter 3 - Killing shipwreck survivors 12:25 - Chapter 4 - Rype 15:30 - Chapter 5 - The bombing of dresden

@mikeyost3672

6 ай бұрын

One excuse for the Internment camps was the Niʻihau incident, but it was also a classic real estate grab.

@druisteen

4 ай бұрын

The French Fleet of Mers el Khébir . Two Battleships and two Battlecruisers , five destroyers . Not really , the most impressive event of the war

@jordanhicks5131

3 ай бұрын

Internment isn't a concentration camp. Quit building it up to more than it was

@dennisweidner288

Ай бұрын

@@mikeyost3672 Probably true, but conflating the internment camps to Axis concentration camps is dishonest.

@bdleo300

5 күн бұрын

@@dennisweidner288 'interim camps' were literally concentration camps, more than dishonest trying to deny this with Iame semantics.

Seamen: “What of the survivors?” 🐙Captain: “…there are no survivors…”

@jordanhicks5131

3 ай бұрын

"Come sail away with me!" -the captain

If we were making a list of the worst allied war crimes, it would be entirely soviet war crimes.

I'm not sure how Operation Catapult can be seen as a surprise attack. Once the French refused to scuttle the ships, they knew what was going to happen.

If you think those internment camps weren’t a war crime then you don’t have a soul

@craigplatel813

7 ай бұрын

Not a war crime per the laws of war. But definitely against the US constitution.

@mountainmonk5874

6 ай бұрын

More Jap/Americans came out of the camps than went in. Not so much a war crime.

@johanmetreus1268

6 ай бұрын

They were not WAR crimes.

@joshuasill1141

6 ай бұрын

They weren't war crimes. Many of those 125,000 Japanese-Americans that were interned lived and worked around major US naval bases, airfields, dockyards, and shipyards. They were interned so they couldn't spy and report ship and troop movements to Japan. They weren't put there to be exterminated, which is a war crime. There was a criteria that had to been met before a person of Japanese decent could be interned. Was it wrong - yes. Were their rights as American citizens violated - yes. Was there a legitimate reason for the internment - yes.

@johanmetreus1268

6 ай бұрын

@@joshuasill1141 even if they HAD been all exterminated, it would not have been a WAR crime. This was a crime committed by a state against its own population, and there the rules of war does not apply.

No one will admit it. But it’s only an acknowledged war crime if you lose.

@pennywisenibbles4949

7 ай бұрын

The Japanese’s lost and they still won’t admit to the absolute atrocities they committed

Just look up the Laconia incident for a minor/major allied war crime. The US personnel involved later became high-ranking US Air Force brass; it pays to be on the winning team.

For your Operation Catapault section, us Americans also killed shipwreck survivors in the Pacific against the Japanese. A few US ships including a submarine, sunk a few Japanese troop carriers that were loaded with soldiers. The ship commanders deemed that since the ships were sunk with some men floating, that the Japanese soldiers could simply swim to shore to become combatants again. They at first went thru machine gunning the Japanese surviving soldiers/sailors, then determined it was taking too long. They then went thru the men spreading barrels of oil in them only to light the oil on fire.

"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster."

@meh7348

7 ай бұрын

Lol war didn't turn them into rapists, they were already like that.

@sirhenrymorgan1187

7 ай бұрын

​​​​​​​@@meh7348Not true. Most men who went off to war were normal people before the horrors of war conditioned them into committing these brutal and savage acts. It's been scientifically proven how our brains can force us to dehumanize the enemy, to enable us to perform horrific atrocities. Anybody could be capable of this. You, me, anybody. I've seen this same sentiment echoed by Azerbaijani civilians in response to the torturous rape and murder of a young Armenian woman named Anush Apetyan by Azeri troops just last year. The Azeris said these soldiers were psychopaths who prolly would've committed such grotesque rapes and mutilations back in Azerbaijan anyways. This idea is NOT supported by science...

Hell of a time to drop this one.

In regards to the internment camps, let's remember what General Eisenhower said: "Successful people get that way because they rarely second guess themselves". We won the war. There may have been sabotage events if we had not interned. Hard to say. But, we won the war and defeated a nasty enemy!

My Uncle and Godfather served with the American 36th infantry division under General Clark in Italy and Alsace. He witnessed the murder by shooting of German (SS) POWs by troops in his unit. Later he was captured by the SS and and was afraid he would be shot but instead was sent (marched) to Stalag 5A near Stuttgart until the end of the war. It was no picnic and at the end neither the prisoners nor the guards had enough to eat. The Russian prisoners, separated only by barbed wire, were treated badly.

War makes monsters of all men. When taking lives becomes a normal, everyday activity that is encouraged or even applauded and your life could be over in a heartbeat then all the rest of the rules of society carry significantly less weight.

@dennisweidner288

Ай бұрын

@DjDolHaus86 War does not make monsters of all men. The people in the countries liberated by the Allies would have seen that as an obscene comment.

An ex-girlfriend's grandparents left Prussia under siege of the Soviet Army only to seek refuge in Dresden. They were both very close to becoming a statistic.

Force H tried to get the French to either sail out of the harbor and join them or sail to a neutral port and be interned. They did neither; so Force H opened fire.

@dovetonsturdee7033

6 ай бұрын

Even then, only when it became obvious that Gensoul's fleet was raising steam and preparing for battle. A pity that Gensoul lacked the common sense of Godfroy at Alexandria.

Simon looking in the tumbnail like "Yay! Warcrimes!" xd

What i could never get was that england and france declared war on germany for invading poland yet two week later the soviets invaded poland and they did nothing, the soviets went on to invade the baltic states and finland. the british invaded lebanon, syria Iraq and iran the faroe island and iceland. Under the nurnberg protocals germany where prosecuted for making war, a crime whisch did not exist until after the war and has been since been broken by all the allies.

@kaltaron1284

7 ай бұрын

Victor's bias, plain and simple. Poland got "compensated" with German territory and the privilege to be under the Soviets yoke and the Soviets got to control most of Eastern Europe. And that the British and French were a plague to the Middle East is a time honoured tradition.

@Nope_handlesaretrash

7 ай бұрын

Perfidious Albinon

@Finnbobjimbob

7 ай бұрын

No?

@Gaphalor

6 ай бұрын

Dude stop it, you are making too much sense right now!

@Finnbobjimbob

6 ай бұрын

@@Gaphalor He’s really not

There were too many war crimes on the allied side to begin to list them fully here (for the record and because someone will suggest I'm saying it, of course that does not excuse the Axis war crimes which were worse). I'd like to see another part to this if possible. Thank you!

Sounds a bit hypocritical and self absorbed by Quetel when he stated that Operation Catapult was an act of "treachery and betrayal" given that it was France and not Britain that broke their alliance when it made a separate peace with Germany.

Well done. It is not easy to avoid both oversimplified moral equivalence or over simplified moral absolutism. There is no morally pure good side but being mostly good is a lot better than being mostly bad. There are real and significant differences between flawed good and flawed evil and ignoring those flaws does no one any good.

My grandparents live in Hannover Germany, the town hall has a model of the city before and after ww2 and the destruction is pretty crazy. The entire city was firebombed and my grandfather was forced to flee as a toddler before his house was bombed. The Allie’s certainly commuted war crimes and it really is a shame we don’t talk about them

@ericjohnson7234

7 ай бұрын

so alot of honoured people are soon to be disgraced?

@benpurcell4935

7 ай бұрын

Always remember it’s not a war crime the first time.

@ordinaryAussie

6 ай бұрын

Evidently you forget that your grandparents were on the enemy side

@brianmoore581

6 ай бұрын

But why should we play nice when you aren't? Why should we follow rules when you don't?

@ericjohnson7234

6 ай бұрын

hes not asking for you to ignore crimes commiteed against people, BRIAN, hes asking for people to have understanding that it wasnt just the axis who commited them.@@brianmoore581