Is it only me who finds Cope "donating his brain to prove that he has larger mind" insanely hilarious?

@kobe51

2 жыл бұрын

"How's that funny?" - Donald Trump

@TheMightyN

2 жыл бұрын

Science has proven that our brains do grow when it comes to intelligence--albeit temporary. The common analogy our science teachers explain, the brain is similar to a sponge--it absorbs all knowledge until it resets itself filtering out any information useless. So, it wasn't entirely farfetched for Cope to assume this theory--and that's the beauty of science compared to just naming a few dozen bones. Nevertheless, Cope contributed his body to science to help us understand our human biology while apparently Marsh didn't do too much after he was granted a sliver patter due to his close connections with the science community. And ironically, most of Marsh's discoveries were either renamed, forgotten, or became a nomen dubious genus while most of Cope's findings are still household names to both science and the general public: Elamosaurus, Tylosaurus, Edaphosaurus, Clidastes, Camarasaurus, and Coelophysis are among this list.

@shambhav9534

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah and smaller brains are actually ironically smarter which is odd but true.

@shambhav9534

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheMightyN I think he was trying to measure physical size.

@TheMightyN

2 жыл бұрын

@@shambhav9534 Either way, the incentive to study our bodies was partly thanks to Cope.

This sounded less like a rivalry, and more like Marsh routinely wiping the floor with Cope

@Yorick257

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly!

@triccele

2 жыл бұрын

To be fair, several of the species Marsh named were not real species, many were just diferent individuals of the same creature

@jiameiwang9741

2 жыл бұрын

FALSTAFF !!!!

@myczxr

2 жыл бұрын

honestly

@jackattack8661

2 жыл бұрын

It was not nearly as one sided as this video claims

They literally had a bone to pick with each other

@letsgetreal2501

2 жыл бұрын

Too obvious, dude. Try harder.

@ephsee8669

2 жыл бұрын

This comment gunna get like 10k likes

@Dimitri88888888

2 жыл бұрын

@@letsgetreal2501 hey, settle down now ok?

@SCP--fj2jr

2 жыл бұрын

@@letsgetreal2501 *Well, That Pun Was Gonna Come.*

@maddyjoh8488

2 жыл бұрын

@@letsgetreal2501 No knees to be rude 😁

A true rivalry to the death with attempts to compare post mortem brain sizes

@aryan201

2 жыл бұрын

quite mind-blowing

@Sumirevins

2 жыл бұрын

Given Mental Capacities are independent of Brain Size and solely depends on number of neural connections within the caranium. That they didn't had any Technology to measure in 1897.I thinking that move was Pretty ridiculous and Only Show stupidity of cope

@gregmiller9710

2 жыл бұрын

..haha...i lil past that even..:D

@Sean_Connery

2 жыл бұрын

@@Sumirevins i think cope knew marsh would decline and felt like as long as he had the last word, despite its stupidity, he still *won. Ironically, this proved him to be the lesser intellectual like you said

@solar0wind

2 жыл бұрын

@@Sumirevins Yeah, many scientists back then were soo arrogant and thought they knew it all. "Science" back then was often used to confirm biases and even racism. Even races were invented in that spirit. Some guy who collected skulls took the largest European skull he could find and the smallest skulls of other origins and compared them in size, and obviously the European skull had the biggest volume, so he concluded that Europeans are the smartest and then went on to divide other people into races, even though the categories were different than today. I don't get why people think that races are a biological reality when their definitions have changed so much (they were disproven by genetic study). So yeah, that's why we have races, and that's what people called science back in the day and used to justify their horrible views.

He just couldn't cope with his rival's unrelenting marsh forward

@dezzcashews8424

2 жыл бұрын

Budm Tsssh

@punelopepunstop5515

2 жыл бұрын

Good one!

@joanhoffman3702

2 жыл бұрын

Well played!

@chieckenman4432

2 жыл бұрын

Gg

@gorilladisco9108

2 жыл бұрын

Cope could not cope. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I really like the way TED presents the “moral of the story” at the end of this one. It’s such a crucial concept.

@anahitaabdollahi4584

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly!

@kingkasdin9767

2 жыл бұрын

Bias ruins science

Seeing those guys break bones that are millions of years older than them makes me wince

@henrylivingstone2971

2 жыл бұрын

Uh....you didn’t see anything of the sort. You saw a cartoon depicting the scene. The actual event happened nearly a century ago.

@woodfur00

2 жыл бұрын

@@henrylivingstone2971 Thanks for clearing that up /s

@jjOnceAgain

2 жыл бұрын

Well, technically they're just rocks

@bardiabasiri3857

2 жыл бұрын

@@jjOnceAgain There fossilized bones not rocks.

@PelagiMilitis

2 жыл бұрын

Technically it's all just a simulation because we're all in the matrix

Imagine how many prehistoric fossils/remains would have been lost and destroyed due to this feud

@n.s.mcmahon6180

2 жыл бұрын

At least six...

@chesscom6199

2 жыл бұрын

But Also imagine the advances science made because of it.

@AryanSharma-qj4eu

2 жыл бұрын

@@chesscom6199 but more it could have made if ego would not be there

@jjOnceAgain

2 жыл бұрын

From what I've read, they only destroyed either fossils they already had plenty of or worthless mix mashes of incomplete bones and fragments

@parthpiyushprasad709

2 жыл бұрын

I think the feud made more scientific discoveries than it lost tbh

*"Wealthy pompous businessmen bullies fellow skinny bankrupt scientist!"* Me: *I have seen this one before!* (*cough cough* Edison-Tesla feuds *cough*)

@srtghfnbfg

2 жыл бұрын

This is so underrated x']

@gautamjuyal

2 жыл бұрын

So true.

@chesscom6199

2 жыл бұрын

Lol the only difference is marsh was right in his research and debunking his opponent while Edison we all know. Everyone of them was a great scientists tho.

@jjOnceAgain

2 жыл бұрын

The difference is both paleontologist are revered rightfully in their field; while Edison is responsible (directly or indirectly) for more practical and important inventions; while his opponent is extremely overated and half of the stories of his magnificent inventions were made up or exaggerated

@ZOCCOK

2 жыл бұрын

@@jjOnceAgain Tesla was great scientist in his own right with making one of the most significant invention in modern times (The AC Current is the reason as to why we can use electricity to such a high degree of efficiency). Edison was a great inventor as well credited with inventing some of the world's most celebrated inventions but he was know to be quite egotistical at times and would go to severe lengths to make sure that his reputation would never be outshone by any other person.

one of my favourite stories in fossil history

Cope had mistaken the creature's long neck for his tail😂😂 *TRUE SCIENTIST*

@linhhoang1363

2 жыл бұрын

Must admit I mistook it as well first time watching this video

@imshruu3418

2 жыл бұрын

@@linhhoang1363 😁😂

@paleoph6168

2 жыл бұрын

TBF, even scientists make mistakes, and prehistoric creatures weren't too well-known (anatomically speaking) since their fossilised remains were just being discovered. Besides, what modern day analogue do we have for these creatures, especially dinosaurs and other prehistoric reptiles? Not much. As a result, early reconstructions were what we now consider anatomically incorrect. For instance: one of the early reconstructions of Stegosaurus was depicted with an arched back.

@davidebic

2 жыл бұрын

Science is based on failure. As Popper stated, a theory is scientific as long as it can be proven false. Science is pretty much just an endless cycle of theories being proposed and either proven wrong by counterparts or remaining out there. It's an endless process of trial and error.

@XMysticHerox

9 күн бұрын

Bones are not easy to analyze. Until very recently most reconstructions of dinosaurs could only work with broken bones.

We need a film of *The Bone Wars*

@markusnavergard2387

2 жыл бұрын

you need a whole show. and there has been many plans to make such a thing. but they all been cancelled

@justayoutuber1906

2 жыл бұрын

I saw that on Cinemax

@venkatasrikanth245

2 жыл бұрын

Stone wars

@Rodanguirus

2 жыл бұрын

There's a pretty entertaining historical fiction book by Michael Crichton (or at least, allegedly edited from his manuscript and published posthumously) called Dragon Teeth.

@oscarc.3597

2 жыл бұрын

Or an Oversimplified video.

Can you imagine the level of knowledge we could've gained (or maybe even lost) if these two had worked together?

@linhhoang1363

2 жыл бұрын

It's called competition

@gideonbrown4215

2 жыл бұрын

@@linhhoang1363 I guess it works.

Cope definitely took the phrase "Mocking your enemy from your graveyard" too literally.

"Desperate Paleontologists" would be a great name for this reality TV series you're pitching here TED-Ed

@abhiroopdas3232

2 жыл бұрын

Starring Ross Geller.

@parthpiyushprasad709

2 жыл бұрын

I would pay millions to watch the scene where he donates his brain to show his brain is larger lol

@xb70valkyriech

2 жыл бұрын

Only on the history channel

Ross would have joined them if got a chance.

@aryan201

2 жыл бұрын

all you needed to defeat Ross is steal his sandwich

@jaypat2546

2 жыл бұрын

Yes his contribution would have been pivotal

@pavan3634

2 жыл бұрын

Relax guys, Ross is on a break

All the 'cope' puns aside, is everyone gonna ignore that his name was Edward *Drinker* Cope? seems like a strange middle name lol

@reese9705

2 жыл бұрын

I’m guessing he was an alcoholic lol

@parthpiyushprasad709

2 жыл бұрын

It's the 1800's man, drinker is like normal

@JohnnyAngel8

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe it was his mother's maiden name.

@davinci2810

2 жыл бұрын

I mean the S in CS Lewis (the guy from Narnia) stands for "Staples" so, not the weirdest one out there

@WilliamChoochootrain

2 жыл бұрын

I mean, Benedict Crumblebumble is a thing, so I don't think this is that out of the ordinary.

Throwing shade to Branson vs. Bezos haha!!!! VERY TIMELY!

@rangv733

2 жыл бұрын

So who's Marsh and who's Cope?

@jefuryo

2 жыл бұрын

@@rangv733 Only history and time will tell.

@kingdinodragonite3470

2 жыл бұрын

@@rangv733 Marsh is Bezos because he is richer?

@luklov8801

2 жыл бұрын

@@kingdinodragonite3470 But branson's already succeeded

If only Marsh had accepted the challenge...imagine the portraits could've been of their brains instead.

What was relation between Marsh and Cope? They have bone to pick.

Ah yes, that time when two people played jigsaw puzzles with Dinosaur fossils

Can't believe I'm early to a ted ed video!!

@kbjejuzbtpobxbof5514

2 жыл бұрын

Mee toooooo

@Itakion

2 жыл бұрын

Heck yeah! Usually the ones I watch are at least a day or two old. I made it!

You guys should do a video on Heinrich Schliemann. He was one of the first “Archeologists” in the modern age and most likely found the city of Troy, but he destroyed dozens of artifacts in pursuit of wealth and had a pretty crazy/sketchy life before that.

Of course the guy born to a rich family with a wimpy moustache lost. Someone should’ve told him to cope harder

@shivajidhawale5475

2 жыл бұрын

Wow

@walnutalpaca8608

2 жыл бұрын

Hello Mr Verified, first time being able to rely early to your comments

@shivajidhawale5475

2 жыл бұрын

Ello I see u everywhere in ted ed videos!

@grimaffiliations3671

2 жыл бұрын

Wasn’t the other guy richer?

@baz1184

2 жыл бұрын

@@grimaffiliations3671 and the other guy was the one who was committing bribery and intentionally embarrassing Cope the whole time. Plus March was even destroying fossils so Cope couldn't have them even though Marsh himself didn't want them. It seems people in these comments are only on Marsh's side because he won.

An interesting story from the Gilded Age as we contend with two spoiled billionaires competing to become the first space tourist.

@chrisdominguez5097

2 жыл бұрын

Their money, their choice. Also if Branson and Bezos were actually spoiled, it was themselves who did the spoiling. They became billionaires by the sheer merit of their achievements.

@peel8043

2 жыл бұрын

Bruh this is basically an advancement in science tf u talking about

@cevcena6692

2 жыл бұрын

Their ambition is paving the way for all of us to get to space, first the elites, then in a hundred years, maybe it'll be as simple as riding a bus

@peel8043

2 жыл бұрын

@@cevcena6692 isnt that a good thing

@chrisdominguez5097

2 жыл бұрын

@@peel8043 Course it is.

I've never seen so many puns in a single comments section. I just can't cope with it

@jjOnceAgain

2 жыл бұрын

There's not. There's 2 puns reused. "a bone to pick" and "coping". That's practically it

“Edward Drinker Cope” Now hold on we don’t need to talk about how he deals with life issues

Yes! The classic Leibniz vs. Newton! I'm so certain that this is what the video covers, and so familiar with the feud, that I don't even have to watch it to know. This was a great video, thanks for sharing!

@BobHutton

Жыл бұрын

Or Newton v Hooke.

"Bone Wars" sounds like something from a fantasy novel, a great battle against a necromancer.

The animation is so good, just like watching a very good animated movie.

@ryugo7713

2 жыл бұрын

I read this in a thick southern accent.

@thorodinson6649

2 жыл бұрын

@@ryugo7713 why

Nothing encourages progress more than a rivalry

Cope: Hey Marsh, look at this long tailed dinosaur Marsh: SO, YOU HAVE CHOSEN NECK!

*Ted-Ed* you are the best ! I always like to learn new things, and you help me a lot in this regard. I can't express my love for you *Ted-Ed* . Thank you sooooo much !

@dinoricky5188

2 жыл бұрын

Your first congratulations 🎉🎈🍾🎊

@shivajidhawale5475

2 жыл бұрын

Congrats

@syedarushda2108

2 жыл бұрын

@@dinoricky5188 Ikr, thx !

@syedarushda2108

2 жыл бұрын

@@shivajidhawale5475 Thx

@shivajidhawale5475

2 жыл бұрын

@@syedarushda2108 np

Michael Crichton’s novel Dragon Teeth provides some insight into this rivalry.

Indeed, Cope practically lost his mind with rage.

@omernavaid4712

2 жыл бұрын

he couldnt cope with it

This kind of sounds like the gravel wars from TF2

@sirlordschrute4739

2 жыл бұрын

That is what I was thinking.

Cope can't cope with his mistake

“By his own admission, he wasn’t constructed for getting along comfortably with the general run of people.” okay but my weird and chaotic introverted self relates to this on a spiritual level

@markusnavergard2387

2 жыл бұрын

Cope was a gentleman scholar. If i recall he came from wealth, so he was Upperclass from the get go. Marsh was not poor, but he did not have the same background as Cope.

This came up on a podcast I listen to a few weeks back. Such an insane feud.

_"science is a personal enterprise conducted by individual-and at times deeply flawed-human beings."_ *Science In A Nutshell*

@axelpatrickb.pingol3228

2 жыл бұрын

Scientific Research and Publishing in a nutshell. You'd be surprised by the craziness happening behind the scenes: the tampering of data, the slide of quality in peer review, the bribery, the threats against junior assistants, the publication of objectionable theses...

@Gadget-Walkmen

2 жыл бұрын

@@axelpatrickb.pingol3228 Not at all. That might have happened in the past but not in modern times, you need to prove any of that because scientists nowadays try to be logical and rational as possible if they're going to agree if something is true, makes sense, and it should be publicly announced to be accurate after all the researching since scientific publishment is take extremely seriously in institutes in order for people to take them seriously as they can't afford mistakes..

The two smartest kids in the class fighting be like:

Please post more videos about -Aristotle teaching Alexander the great -Islamic golden age (achievements,discoveries) -Plato,Socrates,Aristotle teachings -Tengrism religion -Astronomy in Ottoman Empire -Aristotle writings I'm waiting for...

I'M TOTALLY OBSESSED WITH THE ARTWORK So awsome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Love the artworks here, and very informative too as usual, top notch👍

At least they found “Copious” amount of bones

I literally thought about this story's moral earlier today! I was learning about ancient languages that hadn't been decoded, and how many of the "scientists" who discovered them greedily stole the relics away, just so they could be the one to decipher it (The Rosetta Stone and Linear B specifically come to mind). There's science for the sake of knowledge and enlightenment, and then there's science for the sake of fame, glory and profit. You'd hope we'd have grown since then, but then there's incidents like the Viktor Ninov scandal, the particle physics arms race, and the new space race we're dealing with still today, so...

These is one of the most exciting and entertaining ted ed videos I've watched

This is so interesting. Nobody told me about this feud. Thanks TedEd❤️

- Yes, Tesla and Edison are the greatest rivals in scientific history - You know nothing, mate!

It’s not really an “accusation” of bribery when the person “accused” traded currency for a benefit (which also happened to come at the expense of another), is it?

@Ditidos

2 жыл бұрын

It is an accusation, but it isn't a false one.

@aoikemono6414

2 жыл бұрын

More like backstabbing and treachery.

Thanks for the video.

Never ever ever knew about this, but very interesting. Thanks ted-ed :)

As the mentor of a friend of mine once said a great scientist is ideally likeable, gets quick results, and is really good at what he or she does, but two out of three is usually enough to be successful. I guess we should add deep pockets to the list, at least for this era of discovery.

@Yorick257

2 жыл бұрын

Or at least having a silver tongue. A lot can be done if you can persuade powerful enough people

Theory: The Gravel Wars in TF2 were inspired by the Bone Wars.

This is now my favorite science feud 😍😍😍😍😍😍

At first seeing the thumbnail, I thought that this will be about the classic physics vs. quantum physics feud, but boy this one was blazin'

This is really interesting.

What I got out of this is that March was a ruthless very self centered individual, who didn't mind how many fossils were destroyed if nobody else got to publish about them.

If you want to delve deeper the author of Jurassic Park ( Michael Crichton’s estate) published a book back in 2013 I think. It’s called Dragon Teeth, and it delves into the Cope/Marsh rivalry and some western people alive and active at the time, including Wyatt Earp and Calamity Jane. It’s a really fun and interesting read, and I thoroughly enjoyed it.

Your videos are very helpful

Cope be like "I've got a bigger one"

Unable to cope up with the Bone Wars, Joseph Leidy, a man who followed more scientific and methodological quest for paleontological discoveries, abandoned the field all together. If interested, read more about him! ✨️

@markusnavergard2387

2 жыл бұрын

he just went " iam sick of you guys and your damn drama, i just wanna study dinosaurs! I am out!"

YES! As a palaeontologist, I love this

I love these opening quote, it's such a mood😂

Imagine if cope lost it in the Brain size competition too.

Some of the quarries Marsh supposedly had blown up where really just covered over, so the bones left behind are still there and hopefully we can get them. I also think it was Marsh who would name every single bone he had a new species, so he ended up naming something like 14 kinds fo triceratops but really we only have two (and maybe three)

@XMysticHerox

9 күн бұрын

Yeah Marsh only really "won" because he kept claiming to find new species with every new discovery.

Love the old West music for this one. TED-ED knows how to spin a yarn

I liked the comic relief added in this informative talk

Wow. Before even clicking on the link I was thinking of this feud specifically. A speaker at a natural history museum told us the story and it always bothered me that they were destroying fossils as part of their feud. I was so surprised when I nailed it. One thing we were told is that Marsh named coprolites after Cope as an insult and when you didn't mention it I got curious and looked into if there is any truth to that story. Turns out that it's a pretty common myth but just a myth and absolutely not true. Probably why you guys didn't mention it :p.

*The most notorious scientific feud in history* The chicken and the egg: _Are we a joke to you?_

@Think_Inc

2 жыл бұрын

The egg came first ‘cause evolution.

AWESOME VID !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Trippy that these two spent so much time feuding that they uncovered quite a few new fossils in the process.

Who would think that paleontologists could have such feuds

@kingofworms831

2 жыл бұрын

Apparently there was also a big argument as to how the dinosaurs died

why would someone downvote this in the first minute

@spongeOfMystery4

2 жыл бұрын

Cause their salty from losing the "war"

@Alfa-uu7zb

2 жыл бұрын

They probably saw someone with a red bow and a blue scarf and thought this was something political…

@vincenttt8289

2 жыл бұрын

because they thought "bone wars" was something nsfw

@srtghfnbfg

2 жыл бұрын

I'm #12 and it's because i hate seeing 2 rich bastards wasting money on very petty things, including destroying invaluable samples just to sabotage another. Btw Marsh did well to refuse the brain-size challenge, it was probably tiny.

1:11 Cope unironically said he was just built different

Imagined being so angry towards other person and your angry became future generation's blessing.

Imagine how it would've all unfolded if both had started out poor...

I’m still waiting for Ted himself to show up for the talk.

I love Teded Videos

Great video

Imagine if this feud happend on Twitter, theres gonna be chaos between one side and the other, forcing people to choose sides.

@jjOnceAgain

2 жыл бұрын

We call that Minecraft Streamer Twitters

@Oaglor

2 жыл бұрын

And nothing would end up being done in the process.

Still Edison VS Tesla is the biggest science rivalry

Awesome story, thank you. Would make for an awesome Paul Thomas Anderson movie

YOOO!!! Ohmhayghad I recognize this story!!! I read it in a old Dinosaur Book that my Mom bought for me when I was like 8 yrs old.. Damn what are the odds of bumping in this story again

Ah yes, my favorite scientific fuse of petty revenge and dinosaur bones, I love paleontology 😍

This is the only kind of war this world needs more of.

This would make a great film

The paper at the beginning being called the Laramie Boomerang is a nice touch, as that is still the newspaper of Laramie, WY.

Imagine what we could of gained if they worked together.

@TheAlps36

2 жыл бұрын

I'm not so sure - I think their competitive rivalry is what made them so driven

@ASLTheatre

2 жыл бұрын

You have a good point but they also spent much of their time and money to hurting each other.

Seem that Marsh started the pettiness so...

Im surprised how im still into ted ed after 6 years!

we need more Scientific competition so that we can get more ted ed videos like this

@axelpatrickb.pingol3228

2 жыл бұрын

They're everywhere if you know where to look...

Rather than a rivalry, this is more like a 1st grader trying to pick on a 4th.

This would have been a fantastic chance to re-use the Demon of Reason.

@ghmongo

2 жыл бұрын

I think it's the same voice actor too.

Love it

2:28 "Neither had" dreamt*. The voice-over said dreamed. (Which is not a word)

@syedarushda2108

2 жыл бұрын

Dreamed is also a word...... Dreamt nd dreamed both are the past form of Dream........ Dreamed is more common in the U.S

Man listening to the narrator, I can literally imagine the Demon of Reason just removing clothes from people in public audiences.

Only the dead have seen the end of war!

this has been in, and ignored, in my feed for days. if I'd known it was geologically based I would have clicked straight away. I'm trying to train the algorithm... and I think it's working for bone-rocks (fossils) to stick around waiting for my clock. thanks.

Oneupmenship & a strong competitive Nature put them at the top of their field & yielded great discoveries.