Sorry BSJ, BKB is the most misunderstood item. My cores don't know it has an active.

@lifenote1943

2 жыл бұрын

:(

@mayurbansal

2 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

@mayurbansal

2 жыл бұрын

Wait... Wut you can use it???? 😱😱

@alial-kateeb5267

2 жыл бұрын

This tbh

@judehilot3139

2 жыл бұрын

My cores doesnt even know that they can be bought

Ramzes: - gets both Midas and Maelstrom - refuses to elaborate - leaves

@trollinggaming9903

2 жыл бұрын

what hero is he playing?

@Dru1D_

2 жыл бұрын

@@trollinggaming9903 he does that on Jugg and NP more often than not

@idktbh6841

2 жыл бұрын

yuragi too

@lifenote1943

2 жыл бұрын

I mean I guess if your team is getting rolled so hard you literally can't take a single fight... Maybe? But I feel like manta would be better idk.

@bladegaimin

2 жыл бұрын

@@Dru1D_ with jug and np they’re more of a fighty carries that are able to farm large parts of the map relatively safely. Both heroes benefit from the early attack speed and spend a lot of their time farming while joining all the fights as opposed to other Carries like AM or alch that don’t want to fight early. The Midas speeds up the process of the farm as they can get it early on to ramp their early game levels which both heroes benefit from as well plus it gives attack speed. This natural progression into maelstrom makes sense because then you can clear waves faster while having impact in team fights, maelstrom also gets upgraded into a mjollnir most of the time and super buffs these two heroes. Fury is too slow on jug because while you can push waves and farm camps really quickly, he won’t have as high of an impact in fights with a fury as opposed to maelstrom due to the strength of his shard proccing the lightning. For np he just wants to clear every camp and wave as fast as he can because he can teleport to literally anywhere so it’s best to play the cat and mouse game showing on the map only for a short while thus taking resources that other heroes cant. And during the downtimes where NP has no space to farm the Midas still acts as an accelerator same with jug. That’s how I think of it.

I remember the good ol days of farming towers with Lycan/Necrobook 3

Fucking A++ content as always... Whenever I'm not feeling enthused to play DOTA, you always hype me up again with your videos. You're the man BSJ. Always learn so much.

Dagon farms heroes, does that count???

@devilbob

2 жыл бұрын

Yes

@cloakrabbit767

2 ай бұрын

yes I always build dagon before treads as am

Honestly BSJ your explanations, and way of speaking/communicating was fantastic this video. And I feel recently you have improved your clarity so much. Congrats man.

I have seen Midas more as an XP Item then a Gold Item but that explaination was eye opening. Thanks man!

@gjgjgj

Жыл бұрын

I use it depending on the situation.. I Midas the largest creep when I want to get faster levels, then I Midas a smaller creep in the camp when I want more gold.. I watched that once in a video, can't remember what channel it was from tho..

@DuckyVanya

Жыл бұрын

@@gjgjgj I remember a video like this from either bsj or cookie (d2cookie idk if he makes content anymore)

@T3hSteamcrusher

5 ай бұрын

@@gjgjgjin modern dota when heros can be lvl30 and talents are very impactful, you're not really using midas on smaller creeps, because in those rare games when you reach 30 you would just sell midas at this point

Enemy team: 3 midases, wins the game, 0 punishment from my team, because my cores want to farm into that. My team: 2 midases, instantly lose the game, because we play 3v5. They just build midas only because it's in the build. I've lost countless games due to these carry and mid players. They don't think about timings, they rather farm against antimage or some hard carry like that to 45 minute and then they wonder why they lose and flame others. Believe me what I am talking about, 3,5k mmr basic stuff here. I'm playing mostly pos 3, I usually win my lane, push tower around 7:30 to max 13 minute if the lane is going hard and being defended, then I smoke and try to rape their carry in jungle, so it's like their carry is 0/4 or stuff like that, my carry is free farming, but what happens, my carry or mid decide to farm passively their jungle instead of taking farm from them while we push t2 towers, also so he can be closer to fight if that happens and decide if it's good fight for him or not, you know, if that's bad fight, just steal their triangle, don't join fight and go back farming your jungle. Like this he is taking ultra defensive farm far away from team and giving the enemy team space to farm their own jungle so they can recover. Lovely stuff these 3k mmr carry players. Well, ofc not everyone, but usually this is 3k carry in a nutshell.

I remember several games during the group phase of Arlington major where carries (e.g. Yuragi iirc) built midas in games where they were really ahead and clearly would have be able to dominate the map (if not did so) - not sure how this fits into this picture?

I think the biggest mistake I keep making on carry is that I lose lane, I tell my team "I am going to farm", then I show up to teamfights anyway and just feed an extra kill and stay dead for 20-60 seconds, missing out on farm.

Hey BSJ! Was wondering recently what is rated higher as a farm item for gyro carry - crystalys or maelstrom? and why?

its what midas was always for: if you dont have acces to much farm, midas helps you maximise what you do have same reason why invo likes midas so much. as a hero he wants to spend as little time farming as possible, because he is much more usefull to his team when fighting. but he stil needs his farm; so midas is the natural solution for him. it also helps that he profits tripple from the added XP , because 1 level in his case makes 3 spells better ^^ its nice to see you do a vid about it tho, i often find my carrys to just use the volvo-standard-built instead of thinking for themselves a sickening habbit, really. farming isnt that stressing and dosnt need that much attention, you do have the time to think a few seconds here and there XD

@clairepatterson8742

Жыл бұрын

6, 1 level makes 6 spells better. 7 if you count the orb effect itself

I got banned once for cheating after only using Dota Plus from overwolf. I was really upset since it was my first account, so I wrote to steam support and explained that I was only using that app and I didn't know if it was illegal or not. I had little hope but on the next day they lifted vac ban. Sorry if it was too wordy, just felt like I wanted to warn you people.

@BB8enjoyer

2 жыл бұрын

I got this too in 2020.

@BB8enjoyer

2 жыл бұрын

But never had much of a problem since

@ymirfritzlovvvee

2 жыл бұрын

same with me, but i got no ban, valve just warn me to not use the app in game

@gnatdagnat

2 жыл бұрын

I haven't received so much as a warning or disabled matchmaking, and I use another app too which disables most cosmetic particle effects (visual clutter), and it's been a couple years I think. As a general rule it looks like dota plus is not bannable. Seems like you guys might be victims of fluke or something. But good to know it can apparently happen.

@KingofDew

2 жыл бұрын

Valve has blocked data they don't want these apps getting in real time. I don't think it's an issue anymore. The info is readily available in my browser, and this app just saves time doing what I've been doing since 2013.

I was told by immortal players to never get Midas as mid/carry if the team was already behind on gold. The other thing they said was it was often to get an XP lead too, not just gold.

Midas is great on just about any hero for clearing the enemy catapults, especially early game. Those are the creeps that target the towers when in range. If you midas them, they're instantly removed and it's easier for your lane to push out. This is especially useful during the enemy glyph.

Finally this channels sound is way more compressed and less screaming :) Will start subbing now! Couldn't listen before because of Audio.

so very insightful. thank you for sharing. hope to be able to apply this in my future carry games on heros that need to make that choice.

Thanks for the upload, I've been thinking about this comparison for a while, but haven't known when to get which iteam.

Rule 23 of Dota If you're ahead, get Midas to get even more ahead. If you're behind, get Midas to catch up.

@lifenote1943

2 жыл бұрын

always get midas baby

@suntzu6122

2 жыл бұрын

Rule #1 of dota. You arent good enough to get midas.

@lifenote1943

2 жыл бұрын

@@suntzu6122 Rule #0 of dota. Don't follow rule#1.

Hey sorry to bother you but is it ever worth getting other items as farm accelerators instead like yasha for example

I have truly been needing this BSJ, thank you for continue to help our community, it’s much appreciated!

what about heroes like invo? Quas wex invo usally gets at around 15/16 min if it's a good game, why's that? Why mida and not another item? Is later mida timing a good thing?

But i always thought that if you are having free lane you can "opt" for a midas to accelerate? Does this mean that free lanes should always go battlefury?

Ty now i know how and when to build the item i just didnt understand midas

Midas is only to be used on ogre and is, in fact, most useful for pushing waves.

It was very informative. Please add when to buy radiance also. Is it the same space requirement as battlefury or more?

Great vid, never really thought of them as how much space do I have to farm but it's a good thing to keep in mind.

NO WORDS..... - I have played for 2500+ hours and have always wondered about theese exact things. Thank you SO much

yatoro: *buys a battle fury on sven* “reality can be whatever i want”

Thanks for the content. I wish learning dota was this clear always.

i wish we talk abit more about other farming items too...like Manta or Yasha or Mom...but the video was great...

@sythanh14

2 жыл бұрын

They belong to a very different spectrum : adding damage and atk speed. The 3 items in this video give you special abilities that nothing else offers : - Extra gold/exp from limited resources - Cleave attack for fast clearing - Cheap alternative of Cleave attack modifier

@Personnoname114

2 жыл бұрын

@@sythanh14 MoM is a good farming item too, sven, sniper, gyro, it gives you lifesteal which some dont have against jungle creep and its active help you farm faster

@aminferdowsi9971

Жыл бұрын

@@sythanh14 well Manta allow u to farm ariea that u cant even go there at first place and for most range agi heros its the choice between Yasha and Malestorm instead of BF and yasha or manta can be used with melee heros as well...a hero like Sven also dont buy BF but consider Mom or Midas or echo saber as options

I usually get Midas when I play Exort Invoker mid just because it is something I have done a lot in the past, but this video is making me realize that I don't really need to and BoTs are usually better because it allows me to farm the entire map while also being able to show up to fights when I need to.

@Wyrdangus

2 жыл бұрын

You’re buying Midas on Invoker for the levels anyway

@Eg9yBoy

2 жыл бұрын

@@Wyrdangus also he has no farming abilities except for maybe alacrity and Forged Spirits both of which are pretty average and everything else is on a 40s cool down, and buying lightnings isn't very synergistic unless you're going a right click build.

Yesterday, I have this juggernaut on my team who bought all these 3 farming items, I guess he's trying to be alchemist

@SuperThunderPanda

Жыл бұрын

not even alc buys 3 farming items lul

@kaansininide8282

Жыл бұрын

@@SuperThunderPanda he meant getting too rich like an alch

what about the current jugg midas + mael? and pl midas

What games would you consider building a fighting item like diffusal blade as a first item instead of a battlefury?

@staceym.parker8122

2 жыл бұрын

he said when the enemy cores outfarm you, and you're having a great lane, you all in with phase diffusal

i was told get midas if youre winning if losing then avoid midas and get small effective items such as stat items

It only works when enemies turn off “share public match info”. But many have it blocked so it not much useful,

Top tier analysis. Thanks BSJ!

Waw i didnt watch this video for 3 mounths, i just clicked on it when it come out and thinked that i will watch it later, Good job man, that good explanation on how to farm , i understanded that before, but only after watching this video i understand that i forget about areas of farm when i switching to carry.

What about spectre? In her case is just the diffusal manta build always the way to go because spectre is best played as a team fight or solo pick off hero? Or is radiance still okay?

@pika2031

2 жыл бұрын

Echo sabre and aghs is the way to go

@angelicdescent6276

2 жыл бұрын

@@pika2031 interesting

@N3onDr1v3

2 жыл бұрын

If your getting kills in lane, an urn is just so much fun

Battlefury on core Pudge, gotcha. Thank you BSJ

I haven't played Dota in a very long time so things may have changed. (YT algorithm been feeding me Dota vids lately) I used to rush Midas on Clinks. He has that ability to eat creeps so with a Midas he could one-hit x2 big forest creeps pretty early in the game. Good gold and exp I found.

This is so useful! Thank you BSJ!

The best midas is the Catch Up Midas.

BSJ is actually amazing.havebeen followong his thoughts and im winning

ursa with bf is really strong in lane tho , ring of health make him very sustain able in lane and hard to boot out from the lane in my pub, once ursa get bf and bkb and phase boot or bf blink power tread it can kill hero very fast. personaly i like being a chad tank carry ursa with phase boots bf and bkb sange yasha with morbid mask soaking damage like a chad and heal like some unkillable shit

Thank you, now ill just find a way how to apply this concept as Pos4 🙃

So the catch-up midas is not a meme?

In my pubs 3 cores pick carries and atleast 2 of them buy battlefury

Thank you for helping me justify Midas on pos 5 ogre :)

Can you make a Video in the current Patch why you would go Midas AND Maelstrom? Like on jugg :D

Do he has a Playlist with this stuff?

BSJ, how to be on faceless void - when mom+mael, mom+midas, midas+mael, morbid+mael, mael, bf, manta?

Thanks bzm for this video. Learned a lot.

my only problem with midas is ppl buying it in turbo games.

its all about "can you use full potential of the farming item"

Man, this always felt like a pretty simple concept. Its just basic optimization. Understanding if you'll have space is the skill. Well I'm a 3k player who rushes Midas, octarine and bots on enigma just to farm and split push super quickly, shoot me ;)

what about carries who built none of these items? drow? CK who is an early megathreat with armlet.

BSJ - should the enemy line up including illusion heroes influence the decision?

Ive been going midas first on wk and it’s been good for me mostly

This video doesnt cover enough.. hope he revisits this video again to talk about Armlet (which carries like WK buys to accelerate their farming), Mjlonirr (is it a farming item ? why do some pros rush Mjlonir on jug ahead of yasha on Jug for example), Yasha for farming increase, maybe even dragon lance whihc helps farm for DR... i hope he talks about these items too :/

@Winter-bt3os

Жыл бұрын

Armlet only for a few hero while he is talking about general hero. About dragon lance, not all hero need that item even some range hero doesn’t need it and that is what we call as situational item (but armlet is a must for wk). And a suggestion, learn, adapt improve. Not all thing need to be explained for you and try experimented it. Dota is a very situational game and need a lot of experience to tell that is the best or not 😅😅

@mefunnyknow

Жыл бұрын

@@Winter-bt3os thanks for your herlad input… go back and play in your herald bracket and don’t comment on anything related to Dota till u get past 2k

@Winter-bt3os

Жыл бұрын

@@mefunnyknow okay and i was 3k? 😂😂

@mefunnyknow

Жыл бұрын

@@Winter-bt3os 1k idiot deluding himself to be a 3k noob Sadge af

@Winter-bt3os

Жыл бұрын

@@mefunnyknow yeah and a 0 mmr player trying to be tough by flaming and become toxic to real 3k 😂

No mention of radiance?

In SEA server, all items are misunderstood

I bought midas in early and sell it at the middle of game but before i sell it ill make sure top and mid enmy tower got destroyed

Way better DotaPlus ad! Okay, I'll try it out.

Afraid to download that dota plus app and valve suspends my account honestly

“This works because I lost to Puck when it suggested banning Puck” Idk if a sample size of one gives you meaningful data my dude

Great video alltho i havent played carry in a year so probably wont come in too handy.

Great video man, subscribed!

Great explanation! Thank you for the video BSJ!

what do you think about maelstrom am bsj?

how about drow ranger? core straight items? manta, h.pike?

@staceym.parker8122

2 жыл бұрын

probably don't play drow rn

What about Mask of Madness?

In 3k turbo my farming item is desolator and/or diffusal blade :D

Meanwhile My cores: itm 1 orb of corosion itm 2: boots itm 3: midas itm 4:maelstorm itm5: battlefury itm6:no time , cause we lost already.

The first three minutes are so valuable in information.

I buy midas usually not for exp but for gold and fast atk spd

So basically i will always buy midas cos in my 3k games my pos5 alch will take whole jungle :-)

how come you dont buy BF on life stealer, he can chill in a lanes easily

me: sees a good video title its bsj's...

On Faceless void, i tend to buy midas into maelstrom and bkb/linken just like the ana build. Works really good on crusader~legend tier. Hell, I'm even doing the midlane faceless void with meme hammer as a cheesepick when my offlane decides to play a space taking hero like viper/razor. The low mmr meta is both infuriating and hilarious at times

@Dom-bn1ru

2 жыл бұрын

The question is did u win

@ifernclownerellayt3522

2 жыл бұрын

@@Dom-bn1ru yah I did. It's a question of timings always. i also take the fv as a initiate tank rushing vessel and aghs + shard if the team really has no hard initiate.

@yoink9148

2 жыл бұрын

@@ifernclownerellayt3522 When I play and theres a void mid (enemy) i constantly win at 20 mins lmao.

@ifernclownerellayt3522

2 жыл бұрын

@@yoink9148 coz maybe he's trying to build hitter when their line up has alot of hitters. U know, jugg pos1. Pos3 LC something like that. What they lack is catch and setups. Void with meme hammer is cheap build and meme hammer is reliable on pushing tower pushing which FV surely lacks

Only ever built midas on arc warden

seen a midas fury radiance alche build..wtf man

I would say midas is almost obligatory on Arc Warden, it gives too much of a value on him.

If Midas requires 18 uses to justify its cost, should we avoid it games that will end faster (e.g. our line up is built for speed rather than late game)?

@Zenovarse

2 жыл бұрын

It gives you level as well which may be good early game to exchange gold for exp e.g. for voker.

where does radiance fit in all this?

The best farming item is BOOTS OF TRAVEL, the problem he said with MIDAS and BF is solved with BOT

Just get midas > bf > radiance > bkb > overwhelming blink > divine . True all gold colour item farm

algorithm sub, gj to the detailed explanation

Bruh if it's 18:30 and you ran out of creeps to farm, you can just farm trees. Problem solved, Farmer Fury is still in business.

Ive played on and off since 2012 and i have never understood why to buy midas ever. In its current form if you use it with zero downtime it takes you 20 minutes to recuperate the item cost. Yes it gives attack speed and a small exp bonus but overall if you are getting a 8 minute midas its 30 minutes by the time the midas is paid off and you will start to see net gain. Fast forward to 50 minutes and now you have 2300 extra gold total over a 50 minute game when instead the 2200 gold could have been used earlier to get more powerful items that would increase you farm speed anyways and kill potential. In the ursa game he could have had phase, morbid and diffusal and still farmed the same area just as fast with those items instead of midas and earned his later game items earlier.

@soldieroftruth77

2 жыл бұрын

What’s your MMR? Just curious

@RKWARLORD

2 жыл бұрын

@@soldieroftruth77 between 1 and 10000

@soldieroftruth77

2 жыл бұрын

Just trying to verify that you’re under 9k lol

@RKWARLORD

2 жыл бұрын

@@soldieroftruth77 There it is lmao. If i say high mmr you ignore the comment, if i say low mmr you enter with the "LOL you wouldnt understand like a true mmr grinder like me". How about you explain why what i said was wrong scrub lmfao.

@soldieroftruth77

2 жыл бұрын

@@RKWARLORD for the same reason bsj just explained. If your farm area is limited. It’s the best option. But yeah I’ll take your random advice over his

How about radiance?

@Maccelerate

2 жыл бұрын

Watch last 2 mins

i used to buy midas for alche back in 2014 💀

I came into this video hoping bsj would tell you animals to stop buying midas in pubs.

What about Radiance? Please shine you light upon it.

this video supplement my knowledge in dota 2 game

Sooo, Overwolf Dota Plus is safe?

My cores buy all of those items just to farm whole game.

Midas is the throwiest item imo

@bananaslamjamma where does Armlet fit into this equation? Context: I love dota for the tinkering aspect and I've been trying to make carry shaker work. I've got a 50% winrate in 200+ games with it at archon 1 (when I solo ranked support I'm A5/Low legend). I've tried a large variety of builds and am about to start testing Armlet first item as my farming item moving into either a blink if I need to become super dangerous asap or aghs if I think I have the space to accelerate even further. Obviously I also need mana and possibly hp regen in addition, #EsCarryAwkward but I mostly just want to know how to mentally contextualize armlet relative to these other 3 items both in general and for my scenario. Thanks a ton and love the content!