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4 ай бұрын

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@TJ3

4 ай бұрын

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There are very few aircraft that won a battle and changed the course of a war. The SBD was the point of the spear at Midway and deserves the title of greatest dive bomber of the Pacific Theatre.

@alorikkoln

4 ай бұрын

I could not agree more. The Helldiver was better in technical terms, but so is a jet bomber. The SBD had everything a pilot needed to win the war.

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4 ай бұрын

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4 ай бұрын

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4 ай бұрын

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4 ай бұрын

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@tomstarcevich1147

4 ай бұрын

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My father flew an SBD dive bomber in combat from the decks of the USS Hornet (CV-8) and the USS Lexington (CV-16). In addition to the Battle of Midway, he also saw combat at the Battle of Santa Cruz, the Battle of the Philippine Sea, as well as attacks on Japanese installations at Truk Lagoon, Hollandia, Palau, Wake Island, Wolei, the Marshall Islands, and the Caroline Islands. He was awarded the Navy Cross, the Silver Star, 2 Distinguished Flying Crosses, and 2 Air Medals. He flew the SDB exclusively in combat but had also flown the SB2C Hell Diver, the F4F Wildcat, the F6F Hellcat, the F4U Corsair, the TBF Avenger, and the F7F Tiger Cat. After the war he also flew the F2H Banshee. He hated the SB2C and called it a "Son of A Bitch 2nd Class". He loved and trusted the SBD (Slow But Deadly) which probably saved his life a number of times but his all time Navy plane was the F7F because of its raw power.

@richardkirk5098

3 ай бұрын

You should be rightfully proud of your dad.

@user-wx8nq9xh1p

3 ай бұрын

This is an insanely rare experience and a buttload of medals your father is definitely a hero.

@BP-1988

3 ай бұрын

He had a number of stories from WWII - From the time he was shot down over Truk Lagoon and then being rescued by Commander Richard O'Kane and the USS Tang submarine to his close calls test firing rocket from his F4U and F7F for deployment to the fleet towards the end of the war. He definitely had used most, but fortunately not all, of his nine lives.

@sidneyvanzandt2473

21 күн бұрын

That is very cool that you’re Dad was able to do during the time that he was in the military, especially while in the US Navy. Those were some hard fought battles that he was in. (By the way, I was in the US Navy but, I was in the first Gulf War.) Your Dad is definitely a world class Man. Thank you for sharing your father’s legacy with everyone.

@BP-1988

21 күн бұрын

@@sidneyvanzandt2473 Thank you for your comments. Hopefully his WWII experiences with be published in the next year or two. A well know author and historian is currently working on a book.

It was a pleasure making this with you, thanks for the great video!

@TJ3

4 ай бұрын

Thanks for your support and help!!

I would have enjoyed more discussion of the effectiveness of the dive brakes and their mechanisms. The "Swiss cheese" split flaps on the SBD were one of that plane's greatest strengths. The same mechanical structure effectively controlled the diving speed and helped the plane make safe low-speed carrier landings. That technology was so effective that it was essentially copied by Curtiss in the SB2C.

The Dauntless was the most decisive dive bomber of WW2. The dauntless changed the course of the war at Midway.

Judy also sunk USS Princeton, while Helldiver play a part of sinking Musashi.

The best 2 dive bombers of the war are definitely the Stuka and Dauntless, change my mind.

@joshmeads

4 ай бұрын

In a one to one comparison the Japanese Aichi B7A Ryusei was probably the best. Although only a very small amount were built. It's top speed was 352mph and it could carry 1800 pounds of bombs. It also had armour and self sealing tanks. If you're looking for which had the greater impact on the war than your pics are good.

@joebatson9597

4 ай бұрын

I agree that the Stuka and Dauntless were best, but the Helldiver really did make a mark of its own in the later years. There is no real answer to this question

@shapesandcolors2826

4 ай бұрын

Stuka was very easy to shoot down.

@SoloRenegade

4 ай бұрын

A-36 was the Best dive bomber of WW2. SBD was the most Successful dive bomber of WW2. F4U was also a very capable dive bomber of WW2.

@RepublicThunderbolt

4 ай бұрын

@@joshmeads you have a point, the Helldiver was successful in later models, im sure you know the problems that plagued the earlier models.

The obvious answer to this is the F4U Corsair, it had almost the same bombing accuracy as the SBD, but when you jettisoned your bombs you were left with a first class fighter plane.

I'm gonna have to go with the SBD on this one. Simple, tough, and turned the tide at Midway. I'd love to see videos like this comparing the torpedo bombers, fighters, and let's not forget the flying boats and floatplanes used for transport and rescue. One should also consider the Royal Navy's aircraft as they also fought in the Pacific theater, they had some different stuff along with the Lend Lease aircraft the FAA used.

Im partial to the Dauntless myself. Even being considered obsolete it stood with giants and by the stories ive heard from the men who flew it, she'd do the job and get you home more often than not. Another excellent video TJ keep up the great work

The Curtiss SB2C "Helldiver" (name recycled from earlier biplane dive bombers), was so bad that it was the main focus of the (Senator Harry S.) Truman Committee which investigated defense contractors that appeared to be corrupt and/or incompetent. The initial SB2C was abysmal and the Navy asked for 700 plus modificatios, IIRC. In the typical pattern, Curtiss made modifications, but they so increased the weight of the aircraft, the engine was overwhelmed. Curtiss tried to make the SB2C large enough to carry far more weapons than the Douglas SBD, but ran out of fuselage space. From noise to tail, Curtiss was constrained by the need for the SB2C to fit on a carrier's elevators. If you look down at a SB2C, the wings and tail look huge in relation to the length of the fuselage. All these issues made "The Beast" a treacherous flying platform, especially when it was time to land on a pitching carrier deck. Far too many flight crews were lost to the flaws of the SB2C. The video fails to mention the many SBD's used by the US Army Air Force.

@peashooterc9475

4 ай бұрын

The navy bears some responsibility in demanding so much more of a plane that was about to enter production.

@patrickmiano7901

4 ай бұрын

The USAAF called them A-24s and they were not effective in Europe.

It's about results at the end of the day and the Slow But Deadly brought the most to the table. She could take a good kicking and still bring her crew home as well. You didn't mention reliability problems with the helldiver and how complex she was for fresh pilots. It wasn't liked by ground crews 👍✌️☮️

@blacklake13

4 ай бұрын

Wasn't liked by the pilots, either.

@johnschuh8616

4 ай бұрын

First love SBD. IF the Helldiver had not been invented, she would have been good enough. Still, probably saved more lives to have the better weapon.

@kirkbolas4985

4 ай бұрын

Growing up, as a young kid, I thought SBD meant Silent But Deadly…I think my dad that into my head. He was a WWII vet, USN Corpsman, but he fought in the European Theater.

Another great video. Four first line enemy aircraft carriers eliminated in one day and the entire direction of the pacific war changed. Greatest dive bomber of WWII = SBD Dauntless.

@nickmcgookin247

4 ай бұрын

I guess it's just the Pacific theater.

@rick-hm3ji

4 ай бұрын

@@nickmcgookin247 In terms of impact on the war outcome in ANY theater, "Greatest dive bomber of WWII = SBD Dauntless"

Good comparisons. No doubt, the impact of the Dauntless had huge that impact on the warships and subsequent landings. However, from strategic impact, on warships, tankers and freighter, tanks, troops and infrastructure, the Stuka was THE dive bomber despite apparent crudeness. Just a mention as to place the Pacific theatre dive bomber exp;oits in perspective would have been an bonus to a good episode.

A few years ago, I got the chance to go up for a quick flight in the only remaining flight-capable Helldiver, thanks to the CAF West Texas Wing. To any and all warplane enthusiasts, I implore you to take up any opportunity like that if it ever comes up for you. Mine came at the very end of a little show the CAF put on at an airfield near where I lived. I tell you, sitting down and strapping into the open seat of the rear gunner, manipulating the turret around (with nonfunctional weapons, obviously), speaking through the headset and barely being able to be heard by the pilot, and being in gentle dives (the pilot could not go steeper than 20 degrees IIRC, or else it would be classified as stunt flying, which the FAA did not allow at this show) was, to vastly undersell it, a hell of an experience (pun intended). I was already pretty good at imagining what those crews went through, but imagining can never compare to directly experiencing, even if it was ultimately just a fraction of what they went through. I will say that as we were getting ready to take off, I was pretty scared, not just because I was sitting out in the open and facing backwards with a moving gun mount, but also because it was a 70-year-old plane, it was the only one of its kind still flying (three more still exist, but they are permanently grounded), and that thousands of young men did what I did and leagues more than I will ever do. With all of those facts, can you really blame me for feeling scared in the beginning? However, once we lifted off the ground, the fear suddenly stopped registering. Oh, make no mistake, I was still feeling it, but pretty much all of the other emotions were now swirling through my head, enough so to knock the fear out of its previously settled place, leaving me feeling semi-numb throughout the short 15-minute flight. I did try to crack a few jokes, namely because the flight path took us over a Toyota automotive manufacturing plant (the pilot called out that we were coning up to it, and I think you can guess what I pretended to do once I saw it), but I could barely tell that I made them. I was simply too busy experiencing and thus unable to truly feel. I was still numb by the time we landed, and it was not until the engine was shut off before the numbness finally passed. As the emotions took over again, the one that I noticed was failing to get any grip was fear. Maybe it was because the flight was now over, but I remember thinking, "...Wow, I now have a better idea of what so many did so long ago." That was the biggest smile I had ever cracked. My only regret about that Helldiver flight was that I did not have my own setup for recording it, which may seem odd because I managed to record an earlier flight I made at that same show where I went up in the bombardier seat of a B-17G using my phone. I did not have any sort of rig to ensure I never lost my phone - the B-17 recording was handheld - so I did not want to risk losing it midflight in that old Sonofab^tch 2nd Class.

Always had a soft spot in my heart for Dauntless. I did get new appreciation for Judy from your video.

@TJ3

4 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching!

The SBD Dauntless is my favorite plane of WWII. It looks so good and it destroyed the Japanese fleet.

Hmm many still prefer the SBD over the SB2C. Take a hint why the Helldiver isn’t seen much in movies.

@jessehamm3573

4 ай бұрын

Whatever it's war record, the pilots' constant reference to the plane as "Sonofab----h, Second Class" indicate that the crews weren't particularly fond of the airplane.

The Dauntless.Don't forget it's decisive roll at the battle of 'The Coral Sea 'as will as 'Midway'.

According to two books by an American and British historian, rated by ships sunk, the Japanese Val sank more Allied ships than any other Axis aircraft. I love the looks of the Val and have nice models of the Val and the Zero with Saburo Sakei's paint scheme. Also two P40s with Nationalist Chinese Insignia. Next will be a Kate and a F4U Corsair. Thanks for a very informative video!

The greatest of this list is the Dauntless hands down.I noticed that the Devastator that probably is comparable to the Vindicator was conspicuously absent from this list.A fantastic video break down of these warbirds.

The “tide turned” at Guadalcanal. Midway was a major victory, but the turning point was Guadalcanal, not Midway. The SBD was also prominent at the Naval Battle of Guadalcanal.

Still batting 1000 so far in 2024 TJ. I have already watched it twice to make sure I didn't miss anything. I always thought it was funny some crews called the Hell Diver SB2C "SOB 2nd. Class" Very cool Aircraft. BTW; Seeing the pilot that flew a VAL for Tora,Tora,Tora. it reminded me that They filmed "The Final Count Down" on our island. In fact the yacht the Zeros attacked used to be docked near my grandfathers boat. We watched them blow it up and see the Zeros up close at our local airport. I remember looking up for the strange sounding plane (our home sits in the airports flight path so low flying planes was normal) But this one sounded different I looked up to see a Zero with a big red meatball on it I thought I was dreaming. Lol. I will try to find my photos of it. Please "Keep "Em Flyin"

Theirs only one dive bomber that Reigns supreme and that’s the SBD Dauntless. With Pilots like Dick Best and McCluskey they were able to stop the invasion of Midway and stopped the Tokyo Express during the Guadalcanal campaign. The Dauntless wins hands down

the Hellldiver was very useful and had a faster speed, more payload than the Dauntless. The sinking of the Japanese battleship Musashi was carried out by Helldivers

I ALWAYS THOUGHT THE "VAL"WAS A MOST BEAUTIFUL OF PLANES--SO "ART-DECO"--WITH THOSE STREAMLINED "SPATZ"--I SAW THE WRECK OF ONE IN "NEW-GUINEA"--AND THE WORKMANSHIP WAS STUNNING.-AFTER ALL THESE YEARS !!

The SBD was also used in New Guinea by the Army Air Corps in a close support role especially in the Owen Stanley mountains

Do their torpedo Bombers as well. They are also very interesting. You could also mention in others planes that they didn't make it into the war

26:04 If I remember correctly, it was also a Yokosuka D4Y that sank the US light carrier Princeton at Leyte Gulf on October 20 with a single bomb, the resulting internal explosion of which severely damaged multiple ships in her vicinity and nearly took out the cruiser USS Birmingham.

SBD!

Very nice and detailed of all the WW2 naval dive bombers. The CAF (Commerative Air Force) experts provided very detailed explanations and the editing of their discussion kept it very interesting. Accuracy was great compared to everything else I have listened to (although I am no expert)

Great assessment TJ!

another great gem of a video

I have read that Dauntless crews who were forced to convert to the Helldiver despised the aircraft. The Helldiver was said to be a pig to fly, had scores of design and manufacture problems, had less range and endurance than the Dauntless and was difficult to land on an aircraft carrier.

Appreciated this video! I did notice that you didn’t mention the Stuka! I think the Val’s main point it had going for it was that in the beginning of the war and for the next several years, it was flown by experienced pilots. I have read instances where SB2C pilots would have preferred the SBD back due the handling quirks of the SB2C. I have also read instances where SBD pilots at Guadalcanal actually used their planes as fighters, dogfighting with Zeros! I’ve also read that the Vindicator was a junker and obsolete at the start of the war.

One of the best vids I've ever seen.

Best merging of a topic with the commercial (in this case for Raycon Everyday Earbuds) I have ever heard.

@TJ3

4 ай бұрын

Haha thank you!!

The SBD Dauntless sank more enemy tonnage than any other US dive bomber type.

I pick the Dauntless as best for ships sunk , Helldiver for best by the end of war. Of course , i pick the F4U as the best plane ever...... ehehe.

I am still having to go with the SBD. She was a very strong plane, and sunk alot of ships in her time. And also shot down a few planes.

SBD, your presentation of the Helldiver makes it look pretty good in terms of performance, BUT everything I've ever read about it suggests that everyone hated it and it was riddled with production faults.

The SB2C Helldiver was known as Son of a Bitch 2nd Class for a reason. Yeah, it could carry more and go farther than the SBD Dauntless but it wasn't loved by it's pilots as I recall.

Why wasn't the Vultee Vengeance included? It had a more active combat role than the Vindicator? I am partial to the Dauntless because, in addition to Midway, it was successful in the Coral Sea, the Guadalcanal and Solomon campaign, and in a close support role in the liberation of the Philippines, among others.

@barryervin8536

4 ай бұрын

The Vengeance was a very good dive bomber, and generally liked by the crews that flew them. The Army had pretty much lost interest in dive bombing in general early in the war though, which is why the A-24 (land based version of the Dauntless) didn't get much use and is almost forgotten today.

The Stutka was not mentioned. The innovative approach of the German dive bomber can fill the pages of a book by itself. Including a system that would keep pulling the nose up even during pilot blackout. The Dauntless was tough, stable, and easy to land, and fought at a time in the war where both sides were well matched. So this is my pick. The Helldiver was marginally better than the Dauntless. But many pilots thought it wasn't a sufficient improvement on the Dauntless, and it had it's teething problems early in its carreer. Many Pilots preferred the smaller, easier to fly Dauntless. By the time that the Helldiver got it's problems ironed out, we were winning. The Helldiver had an easier job. Through many factors, the Val had it's heyday during the Pearl Harbor attack. An accurate dive bomber that seldom made it to the target. We were reading the Japanese Navy's mail due to the Japanese overconfidence in it's own communication encryption. The Val was good, it could range further than it's American counter parts, but was slow, and fragile.

@SoloRenegade

4 ай бұрын

SBD was more successful though.

@Cuccos19

4 ай бұрын

Both Val and Dauntless could do some impressive dogfight if it flew by decent pilots.

@erikschultz7166

4 ай бұрын

Every dive bomber and every torpedo bomber depends on air superiority. Against fighters all of them were targets.

@SliceofLife7777

4 ай бұрын

@@erikschultz7166 U.S. dive bombers of the period, often operated without fighter escort. And were not helpless once they dropped their bombs. Japanese Vals were very maneuverable. If one was dumb enough to get in an actual turning dogfight with one. They usually did have some Zeros nearby. Germany sowed panic and destruction with their Stutka until the Battle of Britain, when Hurricanes and Spitfires, among other Brit fighters, slashed them from the sky in alarming numbers. The Germans withdrew them from the Battle. Afterwards the Germans were keen to use them only where air superiority could be established, or escorting them.

@SliceofLife7777

4 ай бұрын

@@SoloRenegade As I said, it is my pick. It was the hero of the Battle of Midway.

Would be nice to see a video that compares pacific fighters (hellcat, corsair, zero...)

Aichi D3A is best for high altitude dive bombing And Yokosuka D3Y is best for fast dive bombing

Talked to one pilot who flew dauntless and helldivers and he hated the helldiver

The "Son of a B!tch 2nd Class" or SB2C evntually became a good aircraft but did so after numerous teething problems which Navy airmen paid for in blood. The Vindicator was nicknamed the Vibrator or wind indicator mainly because it outdated by the start of WW2. The Judy really didn't get to be much of a dive bomber as Japan had lost Air Superiority by the time it entered service. The Val was a fine airplane but was showing its age by the start of WW2. In the end there is only one true answer the SBD. The platform was incredibly capable of sinking ships, was quite manueverable(Swede Vejtasa shot down three Zeros in one), easy to fly, and could handle battle damage, it was truly a magnificent aircraft.

The Raycon ad was unexpected. Nice marketing buddy 👏

Nice job

Things missed: Nicknames: Vindicator was called the Vibrator by the crew, SBD = Slow but deadly and the Helldiver SoB. Production: While SB2C total production was higher, they didn't all serve in the fleet. Near the end of the war dive bombers were essentially removed as the nature of the war at sea had changed. Finally, air-to-air. There were a number of instances of SBDs shooting down Japanese aircraft while in return the SBD had the lowest loss rate of all USN aircraft in the Pacific. The clear winner in the Pacific is the SBD. If this wasn't limited to the Pacific we would have to consider the Ju-87. But that's another video.

@comikdebris

4 ай бұрын

Swede Vejtasa Shot down 3 Zeros in a SBD

I like the hell diver and it looks bloody sick I gotta get a modle of it

You could also include the Vultee Vengeance which was used by the RAAF in New Guinea and the RAF, Indian Air Force (IAF) and USAAF in the CBI theatre.

The Val (and Kate)were the stars of Kito Buti ,Pearl Harbour, Indian Ocean excursion, Cocal Sea Midway, Santa Cruz and the SBD ,the Mailed fist of the Glorious Yorktowns.The oceans had never such a perfect match of ship and air crew nor would it again.

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The Judy had the license built German Daimler-Benz motor but their replacement machinists had a hard time holding tolerance on the long crankshaft as liquid cooled aircraft motors were a rarity in Japan. A lot of the junk motors never made it into an aircraft but the ones that did had rods a knockin' too soon. Otherwise it was well designed but towards the end of the war there were shortages of skilled factory workers as they seemed to get drafted by the time they were out of their teens. That would affect all Japanese aircraft. The Aichi D3A sank more Allied shipping than any other Axis aircraft. They had lots of opportunity that Stuka's didn't have. The rear gun was only a 7.7 mm and the two bombs were only 550 pounders. Nevertheless they had no problem punching through the deck of the Enterprise at Guadalcanal. Sturdy aircraft but no self sealing tanks..

When it came to the 'Finest Hour' I was going to question Pearl Harbor for the Aichi D3A, then did the proverbial hand-brake turn on realising that the title specified the Pacific War. I say this because the attack on Pearl Harbor was a more or less complete surprise, so it was inevitable that the 'Val' would score big in that action. What I was about to suggest was the attack, led by Takashige Egusa, on the HMSs Cornwall and Dorsetshire during Operation C - bringing in a more British-centred approach, as a Brit - a KZread video on the 'Drachinifel' channel, upon which I also commented, having recently been uploaded, looking deeply into the action, with a follow-up video looking at alternate scenarios had some decisions on both Admiral James Somerville's and Admiral Chūichi Nagumo's parts gone the other way. However, given that Operation C is alternately known as the Indian Ocean Raid, one will see why I did that hand-brake turn.

I'm the Japanese Ship at 19:03. During Recording, my Anti-Air would shoot down a number of Helldivers so I went into manual control. Even then, I shot down a good number. Fun Recording.

Do one for the best five bomber of the 2nd World War please! Great video.

Helldiver was not popular with its pilots. It didn't control well. I spoke briefly with the CA's Helldiver pilot some years ago (don't recall if it's the same guy as current) and he said modifications had been made to the control arms or actuators in the wings to make things more manageable in flight (I don't know if these were modifications made to all Helldivers in service later in the war, or that they made to just their individual airplane).

That sponsorship transition was TOO SMOOTH

I am suprized at the planes you chosen

I'm gonna finish watching this, but there really is no need to. The Dauntless (and the A-24)

In my estimate, and just by being the premier dive bomber that the Navy had during the critical battles against the Japanese in WWII, the Dauntless reigns supreme.

SB2C might have impressive stats on paper, but do those stats really matter? She might be able to store a 2000lb bomb in her bomb bay but most of the US CVs rarely carry that kind of bomb if at all. Most of the time she would be carrying 2 x 1000 lbs or 4 x 500 lbs and in some rare cases... a Mk 13 Torpedo. But for those jobs the USN'd already had a better aircraft in service: the TBF/M Avenger. Sure a TBF couldn't do dive bombing (safely) but you're mostly not gonna load in 2 1000 lbs for a dive bombing mission, and as I mentioned earlier 2000 or 1600 lb bombs like the AN-Mk1 were really rare on the carrier. So yeah... she could deliver some really rare bombs... which technically the SBD-5 could also deliver the 1600 lb (but not the 2000 lb). And about her range... Well, if the battle of Philippine Sea would say anything, all of the SBDs that were not shot down made it back to their carrier while lots and lots of SB2Cs were ditched after they ran out of fuel. I'm not saying that the SBD outranged the SB2C but that's pretty much 'comparable' in that case. About the guns; 20 mm beats 50 cal all days, right? If they works, that is. There were reasons why AN/M2 20 mm autocannon were rarely used at all by US aircrafts during ww2, apart from logistical reasons. To put it simple, they're quite unreliable and unless the SB2C had a cocking system like the P-38 to clear the jam, the most of the noises you would hear about this gun would probably be pilots' complains. And thinking that these 2 cannons were wing-mounted with a really wide span between them, it's gonna be hard to aim them. And please remember that these pilots were dive bomber's pilots, not fighter's. I don't think gunnery would be their main training. Folding wings. I mean they helped a lot in a carrier's limiting space, simple as that... as long as they worked correctly. And I hope that the little faith in Curtiss's magical wiring system would keep it functioning correctly. But hey, if it works that's a free point for the SB2C. Speed. Higher cruising speed would make escorting her easier for fighters, so that's definitely a plus comparing to the SBD. From all the factors I mentioned... Yeah, the SB2Cs was a superior aircraft comparing to the SBD because she could deliver a really rare type of bomb and fighters could escort her a bit easier. With those two factors in mind, there's no way that any kind of flaws would make this plane worse than the obsoleted-since-the-introduction aircraft like the SBD. And if you're thinking that I'm being held at a gunpoint by Curtiss's employees while making this comment; you're rigt- *bang*

Great video tj3 please make a video about the torpedo bombers

@TJ3

4 ай бұрын

Good idea!

SBD, hands down. Not just Midway, Solomons as well.

love the video

I think in each time, the situation, they all did their part to help win the war. The TBD, even did its part.,

Thank You for the information, very interesting, my Uncle was a radio operator on a B52 in the Pacific, very proud of him and all the boys who flew, no matter what they flew. I guess everyone has an opinion, but to me they were all Great and Proud American fliers.❤

Next, I suppose you will compare the Sopwith Pup and the F-15E Strike Eagle.

This was very well done. . The problem here - in comparing these aircraft is that the SB2C was a horrible aircraft. It was supposed to be an upgrade to the SBD - just as the SBD was an update to the Vindicator - but - it was just so horribly made. An example would be it's Hydraulics System. The thing just couldn't handle the pressure it's fluid was under - so it was always springing a leak. You'd fix it one place and it would blow another. So - while it's DESIGN was an upgrade to the SBD - it was not well liked. All the American Aircraft were well made structurally and both the Japanese Aircraft were fire traps. This vulnerability to damage made them inferior to the American Aircraft. This vulnerability was made more important - by Japans poor pilot training programs - which produced very good pilots - but did so far to slowly to enable them to replace their losses. At the beginning of the war - the Japanese Naval Aviators were possibly the best in the world - but - that didn't last. They took such heavy losses that these Veterans soon died off and their quality plummeted. Their air campaigns in the Pacific against New Guinea and Guadalcanal - ruined their Army and Naval Air Organizations. Another aspect of this training program - was that Japan largely sent it's air crew out to die. Their rotation policies were horrific - leading to such bad morale among their veterans - that the new pilots were isolated from them - and thus not able to benefit from their experience - to keep them from becoming defeatist. Saburo Saki was largely saved by getting an American Bullet in his skull. That wound kept him out of the Solomon's Debacle where he probably would have died - like the other early war veterans expended in that campaign. The fact that the Japanese took their Carrier Air Crew and committed them to land based operations in the Solomons - destroyed the effectiveness of their Carrier Striking forces that they never recovered from. It is often called Racism that the early war attitude of the West towards Japan was so bad. The thing is - that attitude was accurate. The Japanese did not really understand what they were doing and while they had created an excellent Navy at the beginning of WWII - they experienced horrific losses that they couldn't even come close to replacing because their aircraft were all fire traps and their pilot training so onerous. It is indicative of their inferiority - that they placed more emphasis on being willing to die - than they did on killing the enemy. Patton was very right about that. _"You don't win a war by dying for your country. You win a war by making the other poor, dumb bastard die for his country."_ Race had nothing to do with this - as it seldom does - but culture matters as that tends to form peoples thought patterns - and that makes a very real difference. WWII was only about 70 years since the Meiji Reformation - so - to a very large degree - Japan was still a Feudal Society - rather than a Modern Industrial one. They tried very hard to become equals to the West in the way they did things - but - it was just to great a cultural change that needed to be made for them to accomplish. They completely misread Mahan, placing all their emphasis on _"The Decisive Battle"_ rather than on understanding that it was control of the Sea Lanes that mattered. Warships - were of no importance what so ever - outside of their ability to attack the enemies communications and logistics while defending their own. The ships that were important - were the Merchant Ships as they carried the Nations Wealth. The best example of this idiocy on the part of the Japanese was the use they made of their Submarines in attacking Allied Warships - instead of going after their merchant ships like the Germans and Allies did - coupled with an abysmal ASW program to protect their own shipping. The Japanese thought in terms of being able to make machines as good as those of the west - without really understanding how to make use of them. They wanted to sink enemy warships - not cut his maritime lines of communications - which was what the warships were really there for. How much wealth can an aircraft carrier or battleship convey? It is the merchant ships that matter and whether or not they can carry your nations wealth. The Japanese Military Personnel thought it was beneath them to crew a merchant ship - or - command an escort vessel ... They were Samurai - not Merchants (!!!) ... They had no fucking idea what they were doing. Taking the Oil in Indonesia didn't do them any good if they couldn't ship it back to Japan. If the American's torpedoes hadn't been so utterly execrable - the war would have been over a lot sooner than it was. .

I would have to go with the SPD dauntless for impact on the war. Midway was a critical victory early in the war, and if it had not done what it did, then the war would’ve probably lasted longer or we would’ve been dealing with nuclear weapons to a greater degree. As far as technologically, I have to go with the hell diver..

Perhaps The dauntless and the Val are kind of the f-86 versus the mig-15 in the Korean war but not to be an American file but I'm going to have to go to the SPD is the best because of survivability, bomb load and easily to fly

Well you did the dive bombers of the Pacific war. You got to do the horizontal/torpedo bombers of the Pacific War next 🙂.

The D3A's combat record not established hit ratios with impressive degrees of accuracy (such as the initial strike on Yorktown in Midway in which 3 of the 7 Vals that attacked scored direct hits), it also proved highly manueverable without its payload, so much so that it occasionally doubled as a formidable fighter, from time to time.

l think the SBD would be my pick....THANKS TJ3 History you are the best 👍 Old F-4 2 Shoe🇺🇸

The SBD with 4 destroyed carriers is the winner. The bombers and the pilots are the "tools" for the winning or losing of the most decisive battle in Pacific. They are coming together with the best infos,the strategy and the plans and a little bit of luck, that you have to take to become a winner. For that we have to mention the winners,except the pilots and crews,of the decisive battle in the pacific,Battle of Midway,the Admiral Nimitz who make the best strategy and plans with the help of navy intelligence code breakers of captain Rochefort and Commander Leyton.Those people made the pilots and bombers" tools "of wining. But also we have to mention the one person,in my opinion,that lost the battle of Midway cause of bad desicions,wrong timing and a little bit of bad luck,the Admiral Nagumo. He was the winner in the strike of Perl Harbour,cause of the counter attack,that's why Admiral Yamamoto could not put aside this "old fashioned" naval officer. I like those type of videos you make beacuse of the historical interest for this period. The period of the best generation that walk in the planet and fight for a better world🫡 A world that we are trying to destroy with "bad strategy and bad plans"

The SB2C guy was wrong on the german side of production. In fact the production of the Bf109 AND FW190 was greatly accelerated in 1943 and 1944. The Bf109 is the most produced fighter of the war with 35k examples most coming after 41 and the FW190 had 20k... Their issue was pilot shortage not airplane shortage. Their aces kept flying instead of instructing a new wave of pilots. That was a major issue for them. The japanese did have an issue with both qualified pilots and airplanes, more so on the navy side, as their best fighters were actually their army fighters like the Nakajima Ki-84 Hayate aka Frank which could hold their own against the Hellcats and could easily take down Stratofortresses with their twin 30mm AND twin 20mm guns... 3500 were produced which is a respectable number for how late was produced and considering the constraints of the Japanese industrial base at the end of the war. Herein lies the problem. Japan had to allocate more resources on defensive weapons like high altitude fighters rather than offensive weapons like dive bombers. For this reason I would disqualify also the SB2C (which was a very notorious and difficult plane to fly for the reasons outlined in the video(as its OTHER nickname was Son of a B*tch 2nd Class). To me the Dauntless is the best dive bomber. It was a fairly agile plane once unladen of bombs and it could deliver more precisely a bombload due to the slower approach like the Stuka (due to the divebrakes). Even with Midway tactics completely favoring the Dauntless(the heroic sacrifice of VT-8 allowing the Dauntlesses to have a clean shot at the carriers) it cannot be underestimated how few a men altered the course of a whole war! Akagi was sunk by ONE man essentially... for example.

My Fav , Slow But Deadly .

The best? Good question? Which one I would sit in and fight? The Dauntless! Only the Dauntless! Slow But Deadly! But the V12 Judy looked so f.ckin' cool, that only P-40 looked better with chin radiator, IMHO (or a P-38J/L). Next time: Italian fighters what got "new heart" in shape of a German engine. Teeling the story of each (C.202, Re.2001, C.205, Re.2005, G.55), and the contribution to the war efforts and maybe some what could have beens.

I'm an amateur military historian . Im very interested in the war in Russia and the Pacific War. Your videos are great . Thank you .

Look forward to new videos

I think the answer is obvious, when it comes to which of these aircraft is the best dive bomber: The JU87 Stuka! lol. Sorry, couldn’t help myself. Gotta be the Dauntless.

The Dauntless was absolutely the best. Contributions at Coral Sea, Midway, and with the Cactus Air Force were more than enough to get this aircraft the title.

@SoloRenegade

4 ай бұрын

SBD was most Successful of WW2, not the Best. That title goes to the A-36.

TJ3 your earset advertise was delivered more cleaver and more accurate than the best dive bomber's payload in this video. 😆😉👍👍

@TJ3

4 ай бұрын

Haha thank you!

The most successful dive bomber was the SBD 3 but the most armed dive bomber was probably the hell diver

Best drive bomber was the hell diver me thinks.

From what I have read, the Dauntless sank more ships than all the other dive bombers combined!...

Ernst Heinkel hired a couple of brothers that brought with them a strong interest is elliptical wings. They employed them on an early sports plane in the late twenties and then worked on the design of the He-70 which was one of the very fastest airplanes anywhere in the early thirties. Anyway, after Hitler came to power and it was considered bad form in Germany to employ Jewish engineers, Heinkle sent his to Japan where they assisted with the design of the Val, and why it had elliptical wings and tail.

In my mind, the Helldiver was at least perceived as the scariest dive bomber of the war. This is seen in the writings of the men who fought in those battles. An example of what I'm talking about can be found on the other side of the world. In Europe, every tank was a Tiger in the reports of the US tankers. That's because they were scared of the Tiger. In that same vein, every contemporary account written by surviving Japanese crewmen aboard the carriers sunk at Midway identifies the dive bombers as "Helldivers," even though that aircraft didn't exist yet. They were being attacked by Dauntlesses, but calling them Helldivers in later writings. In my mind, that's a very clear and blunt statement of what they learned to fear during the war.

I think the SBD dive bomber was the best.

Dear TJ3 History, can you make a story about the Filipino pilots aka the 6th pursuit squadron lead by Colonel Jesús A. Villamor who flew a P26 Peashooter to fight against Japanese A6M Zeros in Philippines, you can see it in google.

I think it was either the hell diver or the dauntless.

One category missing is what could these planes do when flown by a skilled pilot, or would these planes perform according to a pilots ability? It is the same old argument as what is the best deer rifle, a weapon is only as good as the persons controlling it.

With a war as long as ww2, it makes more sense to measure effectiveness over a time interval, rather than an entire war.

Did the A-36 Apache serve in n the Pacific Theatre at all?

@comikdebris

4 ай бұрын

Italy

0:52 Not a single WW2 dive bomber dived 'straight down'.