I just played a pick up game of commander at PAX. One player was hard targeting another. Opp agent, lock outs etc. The locked down player was getting pinged to death, so I used a few pings to help destroy the things locking him down. I was trying to even out the field to make it more fun. Then Delina prayed to the Lords of Chaos, dealt 60 damage to the board and they all targeted me instead. I was instantly killed by an infect flyer, but at least the other two stopped going after each other a throats.

@anactualopinion868

2 жыл бұрын

You should let the game progress naturally... you're potentially playing king maker by...doing stuff that's not beneficial for your self

Next podcast episode will be no. 420, it would be pretty great if it was related to green cards. (For no reason in particular of course)

@pastelledoesstuff5985

2 жыл бұрын

🌿

@calenhoover1124

2 жыл бұрын

_>

@chrisporter4993

2 жыл бұрын

Make it a Chatterfang deck tech, because a bunch of squirrels looking to commit murder-suicide is about the level of stoned we're talking about the audience being.

@ducktheseraph

2 жыл бұрын

@@chrisporter4993 what does this mean? Is there a lore thing about the squirrels being recklessly homicidal and the threshold they have for that is the same level of high? I'm hoping I'm just slightly autistic and you're not saying being stoned has anything to do with being violent.

@chrisporter4993

2 жыл бұрын

@@ducktheseraph Chatterfang is a green commander who's all about creating and sacrificing squirrels for profit, and to nuke enemy creatures. The implication was that it's a green commander with a goofy premise that kind of meshes with stoner humor. Alternatively you could do a deck tech about a commander that puts everyone at the table to sleep, I guess, but violence was never the theory behind the suggestion. Just pure stoner funnies.

Zulaport Cutthroat. That’s it.

@jimmothybob

2 жыл бұрын

poor Sygg

Dude, I just realized that targeting your own Phage with Fractured Identity is an instant win...

@strickermic

2 жыл бұрын

you need a 3 color deck though

@trackatlas6626

2 жыл бұрын

@@strickermic I run a Zur deck. Oloro and Sharuum would also work. Or Sen Triplets. All good commanders on their own.

@alexMendoza-wl5oj

2 жыл бұрын

Endless whispers

@brockdaugherty5963

2 жыл бұрын

Have you considered.... "Leveler"?

@kurtsloop2462

2 жыл бұрын

I've used this combo a time or two. I have three sons who need an ass whoopin every once in a while

Most "cutthroat" deck that I've played against (amazing experience) had Tevesh Szat + Kraum, Ludevic's Opus as the partner commanders. It used tutors and aggressive draws to find Divergent Transformations. Once that is in hand, Tevesh Szat is cast. He creates two Thrull creature tokens. Divergent Transformations is cast, targeting the Thrulls to grab the ONLY TWO creatures in the deck: Tergrid, God of Fright and Sire of Insanity. At the end of the turn EACH PLAYER discards their hand, and Tergrid's ability says it's controller may gain control of each permanent card discarded by its controller's opponents. It's not an instant concede, but it's VERY close.

@Deathkeeper43

2 жыл бұрын

Thats just a cedh deck but with a different wincon

@ajax4709

2 жыл бұрын

Definitely a more friendly approach to divergent transformations. Normally would be thassas Oracle and leveler

@jacobschiller4486

2 жыл бұрын

That sounded a lot like a cEDH deck made by The99 up to the Divergent Transformations part.

@DMBlade4

2 жыл бұрын

@@jacobschiller4486 So...it just has the same commanders? How is that similar lol

@jacobschiller4486

2 жыл бұрын

@@DMBlade4 The deck doesn't have exactly the same commanders. My point is that the build is Rograkh + Tevesh, and Divergent Transformations targets Rograkh to bring out Razaketh, the Foulblooded.

I'm surprised that Poison counters / infect didn't get mentioned here, it is often an out-of-nowhere player removal.

My wifes just getting into mtg and this was a great episode. She's struggling with determining good from bad cards so this sets a standard! Thanks!

@SackofDooDoo

2 жыл бұрын

Remember to mention that it's more difficult to determine the difference between good and great cards.

In defense of Head Games, you can go politics and use it to setup the next player's hand to save the table from the current archenemy

@Stirbreich

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, can be fun. Player 1: "Can you stop player 2?" Me: "If I draw the right card" Player 1 casts Head Games: "Get it. Everything else is a land of your choice." And then I wiped both of their boards XD Lost the next turn to player 1.

"cutthroat" no longer sounds like a real word after this episode lmao

@captainquickshadow

2 жыл бұрын

i know right in the words of posty " stop.......stooop............STOOOOP!!!"

@Baibakov88

2 жыл бұрын

Semantic satiation

@Liliana_the_ghost_cat

2 жыл бұрын

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@frostyshen689

2 жыл бұрын

now rewatch it and count how many times they say it

@calebbrown1068

2 жыл бұрын

Ah good ol’ Zulaport [[REDACTED]]

Last week the episode was on how to have fun. This week the episode is on how to prevent people from having fun. Kudos on covering all the bases lol

Well like it says in the flavour text of Captain Vargus Wrath “ To be a successful cutthroat, you have to truly enjoy the work.”

Back around 96, I had a Jade Statue Deck with Tabernacle, The Abyss (both I got in an Italian Legends box I got for my B-day. Paid $238, bought it from one of those places in the back of a Scrye mag)Mishra's Factories, Wraith Of God, it was pretty good, lots of fun to play.

Cyclonic rift is underwhelming now a days in CEDH in casual it’s very powerful

@TheBoss4711

2 жыл бұрын

If it didn't have the "alternate mode" of 2 mana spot removal, then it probably would never have been played in cEDH, or at least not outside mono-blue. It's versatility is the main reason people make room for it in decks.

@phenax1144

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheBoss4711 yub but it doesn't bounce dockside

@noesunyoutuber7680

2 жыл бұрын

@@phenax1144 I mean, that speaks more to the problem with R&D making a perfectly good two mana red sorcery and then saying "y'know what, let's staple it to a creature so it can be repeated with any blink, bounce, or recursion." Unless you meant your own Dockside, in which case you're a monster, why would you do that?

@phenax1144

2 жыл бұрын

@@noesunyoutuber7680 I meant my own dockside so i can make more mana why would you bounce someone else dockside

In more casual settings I feel like bribery could go in this list. Going into someone’s deck and getting they’re biggest and baddest creature straight to the battlefield is pretty brutal lol.

I had a guy drop a Tabernacle on me once, while I was playing slivers. He was not happy when I popped him with an Armageddon three turns later. He said it broke the social contract, not seeing the irony.

@Derpy_fish63

2 жыл бұрын

I feel the social contract should be respected... unless someone uses it as an excuse to complain. I'd say use Balance to piss em off more lmao

@connoringram4948

2 жыл бұрын

Anyone playing tabernacle does not care about the social contract. Dude sounds like he wanted to pubstomp some unlucky players but got salty someone could interact with their plan

@GamerX13X

2 жыл бұрын

I'm all for subduing the sliver deck, but he was asking for trouble

@Stribogboi

2 жыл бұрын

Scumbag player. Slivers and mass land destruction.

@ROMANTIKILLER2

2 жыл бұрын

I feels worse for the other lands owned by the rest of the players that had to pay for the Tabernacle's sins. Honestly, when I choose to play powerful and oppressive cards, I expect to become a target, that's quite fair.

I always learn something here. Thanks for always doing helpful commander tips!

I think it must also be mentioned that cutthroat doesn't necessarily mean "salt". At cEDH tables or more optimized levels of play, it's natural to be singled out because of a board state or via threat assessment (this player can win anytime). And while it is fair to say that Commander is a casual format, I feel it must be reiterated that it really depends on the people you play with. I played a stax deck once and got singled out during the games we played. At no point was I salty, because I know playing Stax would draw aggro from the other players in a pod. I played a fast combo deck once and got singled out, because I was in a position to win if the other players don't take me out of the game. Was I ever salty? No, because my playgroup knows that even if we single out a player, it's the game and not the player.

One of my biggest cutthroat cards would be Dismiss into Dream. I run it in my Koma deck, so it turns into "I sac this coil to tap your creature, and now your creature is dead, oops". It makes everyone at the table so scared to play a creature because I can instant speed kill anything.

@jackfromage8780

2 жыл бұрын

Straight Up into my Koma's deck! Thanks :P

@ROMANTIKILLER2

2 жыл бұрын

well, it's deck built around Koma, one of the most "unfun" card ever printed for my taste (cannot be countered, create stupidly absurd advantage on the board, can easily be made indestructible, can lock down other players from ever attacking/playing abilities), so I'm not surprised there are such ways to make that disgusting card even worse. Nothing against those who plays him since it's legal in the format, just my personal taste. :-)

This episode helped me get a better idea of my Kynaios and Tiro deck. Basically, I was thinking about the best way to use their ability and came to the conclusion that I can use ramp and extra draws to play cards like Elesh Norn sooner while minimizing the advantage I give to my opponents. And honestly, it doesn't feel that oppressive, because everyone loves to play the minigame of choosing between ramp and card draw every turn cycle. It's been a while since I played it, but I might take it out next time.

some of the cut throat decks i've played against haven't been a fast instant kill but a slow bleed while you gurgle on your own blood. anyone who has an air tight stasis deck role plays a nice person

“Idiot Bird Wizard” had me rolling @25:10

I’m glad the command zone is recognizing CEDH I would be excited to see a CEDH game on game knights or extra turn

@therealax6

2 жыл бұрын

I'd love to see them play CEDH someday on Game Knights! It would be interesting to see that style of play the way they display gameplay.

@lockheartt

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe even on a crossover with Playing with Power or Playing to Win!? One can dream..... :D

@TheUltimateRey

2 жыл бұрын

I’ve been playing commander for about 2 years now and I don’t understand why people don’t agree with people who play cedh.. like in most commander pods I’ve seen they’re already optimizing their decks so much (even throwing in “staples”) that the next step to that logically is to play competitive.. my point is don’t knock it until you try it, it’s an exciting experience to say the least

@MatejMoravek

2 жыл бұрын

I doubt they will, they got close to that in that last episode with Cassius Marsh but overall they admit they don't play cedh and don't have decks for that kind of play (at least Josh has only one I think that he says don't play often, I doubt Jimmy does or anyone else except maybe DJ or Craig).

@DroidX1337

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheUltimateRey I agree, my friends and I have only started playing in the last couple months and the power creep is real. Every week our decks get stronger with upgrades. Is only a matter of time before we have turn 4 wins come into play.

I can’t help but think they recently did the edit on the EDH rec cast “saltiest cards” episode and then just crossed out “salty”and wrote in “cutthroat”

"I won't do the sound of a throat being cut because that sounds gross" HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT JIMMY, WHOSE THROAT DID YOU CUT

@glowingmonster

2 жыл бұрын

*Metal Gear Solid 3 Flashbacks*

@rosspenney5158

2 жыл бұрын

Probably someone with a payday loan

There is nothing I love more than Opposition Agent-ing a Doomsday.

@ohellyea23

2 жыл бұрын

Or someone's Harrow when I have no lands in hand

@DAsrada

2 жыл бұрын

@@ohellyea23 "Oh, you just have a bunch of utility lands up. I'll go for it, forgetting that Jimmy has Urborg out."

I get what you guys are saying. When I feel “cutthroatness” I feel like a discussion needs to happen about the decks power level. I feel like most things can be solved with open and honest and clear discussions about your deck win con and interaction. Good video guys

@austenplant3144

2 жыл бұрын

Even then if you have that discussion you might have a silver bullet that might incidentally screw your opponents over. Obviously if you reveal every card in your deck, opponents can pick it apart with certain spells

@ssnow5516

2 жыл бұрын

Yea I disagree. Vorinclex is a cutthroat card but its casual imo. I would say cedh level things are usually cutthroat when they are in a casual game like forcing a spell is cutthroat. The card that just got banned was cutthroat. Alot of stacks that see cedh play are cutthroat. Winter orb etc. Most mana denial is cutthroat. Some board wipes are cuttthroat. Balance is cutthroat (but its banned). A card that I haven't seen played in years but that I always thought was just super op was Kicked exile 15 cards from target opponents library (I cant remember the card name). Also kicked rites of replication was cutthroat.

@austenplant3144

2 жыл бұрын

@@ssnow5516 I think its a matter of personal preference. Vorinclex doesn't last very long in my playgroup/lgs due to the fact cheap removal exists. I went to Utah with a slightly modified Precon and was told it was too OP. All of those cards don't win the game and you can eventually get out of the locks they place

My most "cutthroat" deck, Lord Windgrace, once had a turn one play of Swamp, Sol Ring, Mox Diamond, Cultivate :)

@matustrophic

2 жыл бұрын

Hey, if Mana Crypt is cutthroat, so is Sol Ring. I just heard Jimmy and DJ say that cutthroat cards don't have to be expensive. :)

@Blackflame24

2 жыл бұрын

I once had a Turn 1 of Island, Sol Ring, Sensei’s Divining Top with a turn 1 activation that got me Mystic Remora as my next card, followed by Rhystic Study and Smothering Tithe.

@SovereignwindVODs

2 жыл бұрын

Mine is Kalitas, traitor of ghet. It has Butcher of Malakir, Gravepact, and Dictate of Erebos. Plus a bunch of kill spells and making people sacrifice creatures. I've only played it like 5 or 6 times in the year and a half I've had it because after the first two games it was just so unfun to pilot. Even though it usually wins its a feelbad all around.

@chrisburge5150

2 жыл бұрын

I once had a turn one; land-sol ring- arcane signet-birds of paradise. Played my commander, Rith the Awakener on turn 2.

Darksteel mutation. I placed that card on my decks, and ended up replacing them. There are some decks that if you darksteel their commander, they won't get it back the whole game

@Oopsall

2 жыл бұрын

Darksteel mutation may be a feel bad card, but if someone never has the ability to interact with enchantments then that's a problem. I run as many transform effect as I can, especially ones that don't make creatures because if someone has no interaction for enchantments, then they need to reevaluate

@weirdmusicmixmaster

2 жыл бұрын

part of building needs to include having your deck work pretty good without your commander.

@zackkelley2940

2 жыл бұрын

@@Oopsall You do realize that red/blue/black have almost no way to actually DO that right?

@Oopsall

2 жыл бұрын

Blue has counters and bounce, red has some counter and chaos warp effects, and black has creature removal that includes indestructible ones. Admittedly black is the only one that has real problems with enchantments.

@zackkelley2940

2 жыл бұрын

@@Oopsall Most red counters are highly specific and "some" is a considerable overstatement. Chaos warp is also on the decidedly uncommon side... and is chaos warp.

If your deck is Pirates, is that considered cutthroat? 😁And if you play pirates, is it OK to play cutthroat cards all the time?

@noesunyoutuber7680

2 жыл бұрын

"It's just my pirate deck, guys!" "You've played nothing but steal effects all game! Your commander is Marchesa, she's not even a pirate!" "Exactly. _I'm_ the pirate, your decks are the treasure, and I'm comin' to take that from ya, matey! Yo-ho-ho and a bottle of rum, a pirate's life for me!" "OK, then. Forest, Crop Rotation for Homeward Path, activate Homeward Path." "Scurvy dog! You'll be seein' me again, landlubbers!" "Please stop."

Imagine Gaddok Teeg and Void Winnower on the board at the same time. Any spell that's not a creature can only be cast if you have 1 or 3 mana value

@Trainwithseb

2 жыл бұрын

Hahah I had a clone deck and we had 3 copies of sanctum prelate on the board. FUN

@renatosanhueza6185

2 жыл бұрын

Sword to Plowshares

@noesunyoutuber7680

2 жыл бұрын

Good thing I'm playing Meren: Tortured Existence, Plaguecrafter, activate Tortured Existence pitching all of my unplayable even-cost cards to get back Plaguecrafter until you no longer have Teeg or Winnower. Creatures as spells, it's fucked up.

Felt called out when you guys talked about contamination 😂

I feel bad sometimes when I cast "din of the fireherd" and just destroy one person. "River's Rebuke" is another one.

I smiled when DJ called Aven Mindcensor it's true name.

I find it interesting that they didn't mention Plow Under can target lands controlled by 2 different players. It doesn't have to be an all-in spell against one opponent, especially if one person isn't way further ahead than everyone else

Not going to lie I love that you guys are doing what I consider more like a podcast but sad to see we have set reviews for the next month or 2

I love playing Living Plane followed by Tabernacle or Humility.

only time someones locked me was a you cant make mana combo but i had bolas's citadel out and immeditaly destoyed the lock. It felt GREAT!

It's about time we get a video where we finally separate cutthroat and CEDH

My cutthroat move was late mid-game. A player in my group tried to Worldgorger/Necromancy loop and instead of countering it to stop it (which I had in hand), I Sudden Substitution'd him after the initial Gorger trigger, causing nothing to return and everything of his to be completely exiled. He scooped.

I've been removing Aura Shards from my go wide decks because I feel bad for playing them because it is too efficient are destroying enchantments and artifacts. You end up blowing up stuff you'd normally leave alone just for lack of other targets.

I played hall of Gemstone in my mono greeen Seton deck because I hated to get my stuff countered or killed, but it also enabled other players to not get interrupted as much. uh uh! Mind twist in a Tergrid deck :D you discard your hand, I get everything :D I totally forgot about headgames, it was brought up a long time ago by Mitch I think. just imagine, casting headgames, then you narset reversal your headgames back to your hand and make a copy of it, target 1 player and destroy his hand completely, then you get to do it again next turn, or if you have 12 mana, do it again to another person.

Pyroblast & Red Elemental Blast (esp in mono-R decks) feel less cutthroat, more underdog punching up to me. Love those two.

Great video keep them coming

You guys are killing it ! ;)

@13:20: "Lands can't be cutthroat". Gemstone Caverns: Am I a joke to you?

Nature's wrath is one of my favorite cards to play in my mono green decks

favorite cuttroat cards are definitely dictate of erebos and similar cards because i play a lot of sacrifice decks and it helps control opponents, i am mildly surprised you guys didnt talk about those or tegrid and the like

Pendrell mists is also, I think, a better budget version of tabby.

Mindslaver in a Zanathar deck is brutual combined with stuff like windfall, narset, mind twist, head games, opposition agent and the free counter spells and mana ramp

I have a cutthroat combo I learned from the professor in my deck, Mycosynth lattice followed by a vandal blast in my Galazeth Prismari deck. I haven’t ever used it, but I might…

Yo in regards to stax, it's basically just a response to ramp. If you're in a meta where people are heavily land ramping with green or dumping mana rocks out and going fast fast fast, stax strategies are a viable counter to that. Nevermind "cutthroat" or not. Not all commamders/color combinations are created equal. Stax is just another strategy - slow the faster decks down till you get to your thing before they get to theirs. Enjoy

@ROMANTIKILLER2

2 жыл бұрын

Yup. Mono White and Azorius could never keep up with Green based decks without a bit of stax.

Your comment on Fractured Identity hit me right in the stomach, because I once had to Swords my own Aurelia the Warleader to keep her from being Fractured. Getting two for oned was bad enough, but still less bad than having three of her bearing down on me

@scottreed6766

2 жыл бұрын

I was winning a game with an Ur-Dragon tribal deck with Karthus on the field. This was a one on one game. My opponent played Fractured Identity. He took Karthus and my dragons (including Utvara Hellkite). I proceeded to lose afterwards. Good play on his part.

@HomeCookinMTG

2 жыл бұрын

I've done something similar in cube, using snuff out on my own goblin rabblemaster, but it felt good cuz it was my opponent's last card.

« Not attacking someone with your manabase » Obuun : « Hold my bier ! »

I made a tevesh kraum deck recently built around tergrid and I think cut throat is a good word for it. I wanted a wheel deck so I combined them all in one. There are alot of good white make your opponent sacrifice cards so I almost picked tymna but I had enough cards to cut as it was

Stranglehold, Curse of the cabal, and Identity crisis are some of my favorite not mentioned.

It's funny, I literally cast Hall of Gemstones for the first time yesterday. Sleeping in my collection, I constructed a mono-green control commander deck (Kogla) just to give it a home. (My opponents all conceded when I cast it, so I guess it is cutthroat!)

I mostly fracture identity my own stuff, like howling mine or conjured currency or my personal favourite curse of echoes (that i ofc used on me) xD

I've got a couple of "cutthroat" decks in my collection for higher-powered tables. One is a tuned Kruphix that aims to ramp as quickly as possible, while denying opponents their resources / ability to play. Got several cards you mention here, like Vorinclex, Jin-Gitaxias, Void Winnower, Mana Drain, and Wandering Archaic, as well as others like Treachery, Thieving Skydiver, Fatespinner, Teferi Mage of Zhalfir, and God-Pharaoh's Statue. If it's able to save all its mana for a whole turn cycle, it can often be difficult to overcome. The other is Tergrid... 'nuff said!

44:17 Prototype Portal - imprinting Mind Slaver, with Unwinding Clock on board = take everyone's turns....

It's so tiring to listen to interaction and stax being considered "unfun and cutthroat" when stuff like Smothering Tithe, Esper Sentinel, Rhystic Study and Dockside Extortionist just run away with games in so many casual games. Running stax disabling those treasure tokens like Stony Silence makes YOU the enemy.

@lordgriselbrand4600

2 жыл бұрын

I more blame the person playing those cards at a casual table

@charliemarlow647

2 жыл бұрын

A lot of people just prefer "yes" cards to "nope" cards! I agree though, it would be good if larger channels like The Command Zone stopped using terms like "unfun" because it changes the perception people have to certain cards and strategies that are actually suitable and "fun" for some metas. It's just a question of balancing any interaction/control with the table (which, to be fair, I think Jimmy and DJ did a fair job of in this episode).

I like the "salt" portion of the vid I bought the Jeleva precon when it came out and have tricked it out over the years but I rarely play it in my group because one of two things happens, either I get shit on and killed first or no one else has fun and salt ensues lol. I also think building multiple decks at different power lvls helps the play groups stay together and have fun.

In a general red deck, simian spirit guide is really good to accelerate early. when you sometimes need an extra red on your turn for feather the redeemed, it's amazing.

@casketbase7750

2 жыл бұрын

Huh. I’ve played Feather for a few years, and I don’t think I’ve ever been desperate for Red mana. Usually it’s White one-drops I want to cast.

@grnteabug

2 жыл бұрын

@@casketbase7750 I usually play cedh and along with other fast Mana sources like mox diamond, I've found it pretty useful getting feather out on turn 1. I've done a line with mox diamond, crack an arid mesa to grab a plateau, then exile simian spirit guide to cast her turn 1.

@casketbase7750

2 жыл бұрын

@@grnteabug Jeez. My own Feather deck just plays Springleaf Drum, Mox Amber and 2CMC ramp to have 4 mana on turn 3. Enough to cast Feather and hold up 1 for an Instant. Different play environments, I guess.

The last game of Commander I played my opponent cast Fractured Identity targeting my Elesh Norn.... I was playing a creature deck (Ghired), and was unable to play anything the rest of the game! Though, I guess I deserved it, playing out the Norn and all 😆. Great episode!

56:33 Thank you Jimmy, I agree so much...

Love this show so much. Interested to see this so video 😄😄😄

I find that Rule of Law stax is the most fun way to play stax. Where the turbo combo players are shut out of their combos, and the casual decks can still do there thing. I play in a lot of pods where there is a 5 at the table and a 9. Stax has just been the answer to leveling out the power level such that everyone can have fun.

@anactualopinion868

2 жыл бұрын

If you played a lot of games where there's a 9 and a 5 at the table... somethings wrong with the ppl you play with...

@corydiehl764

2 жыл бұрын

@@anactualopinion868 I have to play a lot of games like that because of my LGS tournaments. We've had talks with the store owner about having seperate tournaments for the casual decks and competitive decks, but he refuses to budge

@anactualopinion868

2 жыл бұрын

@@corydiehl764 oh that makes sense

@noesunyoutuber7680

2 жыл бұрын

I think that's the problem with a lot of Stax cards from history: most of them hurt players in weak positions more than players in strong positions because of their emphasis on being symmetrical. White lockdown cards could (and should) have kept getting printed if R&D explored cards that "force fairness" more, rather than deciding that prevention was inherently unfun and avoiding it whenever possible - it would give White something to do other than tokens (decent), enchantments (niche), lifegain (90% awful), or being the worse version of Black as a support color. When prison cards weaken busted strategies and force people to play fair, that's significantly better than "Sorry you're the one with two lands left when I make everyone sacrifice three."

The end of this video is my group in a nutshell. It’s turned into an arms race where even everyone’s “low power” decks have gotten brutal. There’s about 7 of us and me and one other person keep asking to build some toned down decks, but nobody else has any desire to.

@DroidX1337

2 жыл бұрын

This is the way...

My new favorite is worldfire. Very good in a turbo exile prosper deck

Video idea: Are enchantments actually harder to get rid of than other permanent types?

@simonkerstgens6888

2 жыл бұрын

Not sure if that question alone fills an entire Video. As the answer is yes. Maybe sth all permanent types and how easily the colors can deal with it.

@anactualopinion868

2 жыл бұрын

Yes

@noesunyoutuber7680

2 жыл бұрын

If you're playing Green? No. If you're playing any other color? Absolutely.

One card that I find ironically cutthroat is Serra the Benevolent. With a few proliferate triggers she can ult same turn and get you a just ridiculous emblem. But if not, it's a one turn clock that takes all attention off the rest of your board. Or, worst case scenario, you just really need a creature and it's a slightly cheaper Serra Angel. There are still a lot of wincons that kill you after ult, but if it goes down you basically stop being attacked for the rest of the game unless someone has infect. It seems cutthroat when I play it, but I play it in mono white where you need a few big kids to sit on your side of the teeter-totter.

Disruption/hate bears aren't cutthroat, stax is tho We need a word where people see that Winter Orb is very different to Collector Ouphe

@lucarr1041

2 жыл бұрын

@@blaze556922 "We need a world where people see that Winter Orb is very different to Collector Ouphe" I'm not going to disagree that some hate bears are cutthroat; Drannith Magistrate locking every player out of casting their commander isn't going to win any awards for being casual. That said, losing access to your lands is a much bigger hit for most decks than losing access to artifacts. Collector Ouphe is definitely not "just like stax".

Nice 100 thieves shirt Jimmy!

we've come a long way from dj trying to convince us force of will is a bad card because of the card disadvantage 😂

@lordgriselbrand4600

2 жыл бұрын

still see alot of people use it ineffectively... need to be saving that to stop someone from winning or protecting your own win, not stopping their turn 1-2 value plays

@phenax1144

2 жыл бұрын

@@lordgriselbrand4600 Yeah if people do that they need help

My shop actually has banned Cyclonic Rift from being overloaded as no one ever casts it for anything else. The fact that it's instant is why we're at that point.

I’m excited to hear you guys opinions on what cards are cutthroat.

Cutthroat cards are savage cards that put people at a huge disadvantage for you to gain the advantage. Vorinclex, Armageddon, smokestack, acid rain. I definitely don’t agree that any value cards like mana rocks are cutthroat

Probably my favorite cutthroat EDH combo is an Angus Mackenzie list with Stasis + Wilderness Reclamation + Kismet, with Replenish to back it up. The actual win condition is Iron Maiden, which pings the opponents to death as their hand fills with non-land cards that they cannot play because their lands ETB tapped and never untap, or Approach of the Second Sun. Alternately, there is a horrible meme combo with Oath of Lim Dul + Donate that makes it so a player has to discard a card or sacrifice another permanent (you can't sac the oath) for each point of damage they take. Add in underworld dreams and the opponent is just locked into a set number of cards for the rest of the game (eg. they take 1 for each draw, so they discard/sac whenever they get a new card).

@noesunyoutuber7680

2 жыл бұрын

And that's why every EDH deck should include some artifact/enchantment hate, because things like Oath of Lim-Dul + Donate happen.

I love the "Ultimatums" I love Emergent Ultimatum and Cruel Ultimatum .. especially But in my group we have a excel spreadsheet that ranks decks into tiers based on win percentage and various other factors ... so in our highest tier I love to Emergent Ultimatum in my Jodah Archmage Eternal deck ... For Omniscience, Rune scarred Demon, and Expropriate There are of course backups for each of those cards save "Omniscience" but I've done that for the win and it feels great. But at that level we all agree no holds barred.

One of my friends plays mill...and he just got himself a Bruvac and was able to get it on the table with a swiftfoot boots early. And...I threw a couple of anti mill cards in my deck that stopped him in his tracks and helped me win the game (gaea's blessing and elixir of immortality). Made him pretty salty. I mean...it's not like I'm running those cards for any other reason than to counter his specific strategy.

I would honestly say that Cyclonic Rift is a pretty cutthroat card. For one thing, the card is usually played into a situation where it can just win people the game, if not completely destroy others boards and keep yours in a place that becomes impossible to overcome. Secondly it’s price, over $20 for a single piece of cardboard, stops casual budget decks from every playing it.

The Game Knights should play a commander game with as many of these "cutthroat" cards as possible.

A favorite of mine is Painter's Servant with cards like Crosis, The Purger to make people discard their entire hand. You can do things such as Sphinx's Tutelage or even Grindstone if you're that kinda player.

I love Head Games lmao! Such a fun card!

Ideas on how to terrorize your play group, a pod cast.

Díctate of Erebos / Grave Pact, No Mercy, and Opposition immediately come to mind

A friend of mine plays a spell copy deck with Kess at the helm and he straight up cast 4 total copies of Head Games. It was a 5 player game. Needless to say he won the game after that.

i try to squeeze throat instead of cutting. i was tempted to run cards like vorpal sword. im running a copy of overwhelming splendor as a response to a runaway player/archenemy needs not just being flat out mean. i also took out that curse that makes a player sacrifice every turn

I was hoping Sygg would make this video 😂

Nice Video! 👍

I agree about cut throat begets cut throat. Or sometines you just become the arch emeny. I have a cut throat deck in mono black. That has 18 board wipes... i use plains walker ... but cut throat to one player is "choice of damnations"... fav black card .

this reminds me how someone got killed by turn 4 with Malygnus and Xenagos

all those wanting tabernacle effects should also see Pendrell Mists

The card from Invasion, Spreading Plague :) With an indestructible Gods deck, I found this can run people game. Caution

Willbreaker and the ashiok that doesn't let you search. Run both in my kenrith deck

dunno if cutthroat but definitely a pet card of mine in commander is Annex, it's not as savage as Plow Under, but in the early game it can be a second copy of Solemn Simulacrum and one that will slow back the opponent I take their land from lol, it's also pretty great to take Ancient Tombs or bounce lands.

33:47 i think DJ was talking about the other Thalia here

- you don't have to worry about paying thousants upon thousands dollars for a Tabernacle when you can... - print it at home??? -... get a Magus of the Tabernacle. - ooooohhhh... Yeah... Sure *nervous sweating*

I’d love to see a “Kitchen Table Commander” game from The Command Zone. Meaning any card can be played, even anything that is banned. Just 4 of the most powerful decks you can possibly make for the highest possible entertainment value. Who can make the best deck if literally any card can be used??? Please give this to the fans!!!

@jakeb.2708

2 жыл бұрын

A Time vault key deck or flash hulk deck would probably be on top more often than not. That's why time vault and flash are banned 👍

I'm surprised that Notion Thief wasn't mentioned. I only say that because I LOVE that card, and I've seen the salt come from other players when I play it.

They only cutthroat card that I play that I agree is unfair is Jin-Gitaxias because I even feel guilty when I play it, and og Vorinclex who is not in my main board for that reason. Counters like Counterspell and Mana Drain aren't cutthroat because they aren't free. Also that game that DJ mentioned at the end reminds me of in school when we used to flick the triangular pieces of paper and play football.