Funny watching guys in the background trying to max out bench

@YouGoPro

5 жыл бұрын

James West perfect timing

The best thing I’ve done with a heavy ball was to begin lightly throwing at 10’ with 10-15 throws before throwing the baseball to warm up. What I’ve noticed is the weight loosened my arm more than with just throwing a baseball

First off....Thank you guys for everything you do. I'm excited to see you 2 working together. I agree with you both 100% on the weighted balls. Im not a big fan put I did use them to help loosen my arm when I felt tight. But on the other hand, I have had 2 surgeries on my shoulder. The second ended my college career. 100% agree lift heavy in the off season, but also during the season on an off day (no Max during season). For the past 4 years I have watched both of you and studied others. Unlike a lot of other programs, Both of your programs will increase velocity, but most importantly decrease the potential for an injury. My son is 13yrs old, 5'10" and throws around 60-65 mph. He has been the work horse for our travel team the last 2 yrs. Thanks to the both of you he has not had any arm issues and continues to grow. When is a good time for him to really start lifting? One more thing....I am big on pitch counts.. That is another topic I think would be great of you guys to discuss.... Thanks Again... Keep up the work..

I enjoy watching YouGoPro and TopVelocity together and talking pitching. I love hearing two different approaches and teachings. Both of you are great!

@stephenramnarace2138

3 жыл бұрын

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You guys were probably talking about the stresses from Fleisig’s long toss study. That study was flawed because he didn’t account for the position of the radar gun relative to the longer, higher arc throws. Therefore he underestimated the velocities for high arc long toss and showed higher stresses relative to velocities. The truth was that the stresses remained more proportional to velocity than reported.

Hey John!! Great video man. As far as controversial topics, you should host a hitting debate-Richard Schenck (rearward launch, one legged etc) vs one of the traditional guys. Such a polarizing topic!! Love it man, please keep this content going. You are extremely informative ( and slightly entertaining lol)

Short Box for location of pitches, concentrating on good motion, weighted balls did help Me with velocity along with working out normally. Long toss didn’t bother Me with a good crow hop. Actually just bought some weighted balls again a couple weeks ago! Getting good machinists down First is the key and be smart about throwing the heavier balls. Love the Videos! At 32 I’m still looking for ways to improve my game!

I went through the same weighted ball program as Steve Delabar when I was in college in 2013. The whole pitching staff at my college was put on the program in fact. We saw injury after injury from guys using the weighted balls incorrectly. I ended up dropping out due to injury from the program actually. Very little people saw an increase in velocity and the ones that did were only 1-2mph. Since then I’ve been playing in summer leagues and just last year saw my velocity at 88-90 (which is what I was throwing in college) but started having some pain in the area that my UCL was. I took 3 months off and only did UCL surgery rehab exercises and it seemed to have helped the problem physically but I knew I had to make some changes mechanically to ultimately fix this problem without tearing my UCL. This offseason I discovered Tread Athletics (I use their methodology along with both of yours and others to form a program specific to my needs) and their approach to weighted balls and my arm has never felt better. The difference? The drills should be used for repatterning and not to go 100%. Once you understand how your arm should externally rotate naturally with a weighted ball it is much easier to feel if the elbow is getting ahead of your face and ahead of the kinetic chain. (This is why I don’t do “pulldowns” or running throws.) Ultimately, with the weighted ball drills I’m doing, improving mechanically, getting stronger in the weight room, and improving my mobility tenfold, I’m hoping to see more consistent velocity in the 90s and at the very least injury prevention while maintaining my velo from last year. I’ve always been into heavy bench press but never really saw an increase in velocity from it. Longtoss I don’t do ever but I did. Seemed to do nothing but form bad habits mechanically over time. I tried the Olympic lifts for a long while and even in college but had to stop due to the UCL issue that I had last summer. I was taught Olympic lifts correctly and even then saw numerous back issues when doing them. Not saying they are bad and don’t build power but for me personally to help feel the kinetic energy more I do a lot of kettle bell stuff and med ball slams from a bunch of different angles. For leg power I use supersets of heavy deadlift immediately followed by explosive jumps with a weighted vest (alternating lateral jumps and vertical jumps). Hope this insight helped you guys get some feedback!

@darylperlman9558

5 жыл бұрын

The Grey Medium excellent thanks!!

@Angeldnavac

4 жыл бұрын

Awesome dude

@yo1414

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the input - especially on weighted balls.

Great video! Very interesting topics.

Enjoyed your video and thoughts. One of the topics I talked to my kids about is the 'decelerator' muscles. I was told in college - most arm issues are caused by weak decelerators. So, my workouts begin with very light weights to strengthen the decelerators. I took long toss out of the routine because I saw an increase in in arm problems. Benchpress: heavy weights will over-ride the smaller decelerators and to you point - elbows in. Strengthen the decelerators (supraspinatus, infraspinatus, teres minor, and subscapularis) using very light weights then move to the bench. I believe young players should not do the weighted balls. Wait until a fews years after puberty and 'loob' the weighted balls. Just my thoughts - Thanks guys!

John, can you make a video that covers the defensive responsibilities of pitcher once the ball has been hit into the outfield...thanks in advance and keep up the great work...absolutely stellar!

Idk, its a hard call on "stuff" vs velocity. I'm 32yrs, I used to throw side arm to submarine. I pitched in high school btw. My success came from submarine slot, it was like shooting ducks in a barrel in high school. A friend of mine had a wedding shower months ago and I met his cousin, a 12yr old phenom already throwing high 70s, hitting 300ft. This got me into baseball all over again, he told me about YouGoProBaseball so I started watching. I switched back to overhand throwing, got my velocity to right around 80mph with no other training, just arm mechanics. My curve is awesome, slider is better, and my sinker is probably my favorite pitch because of coach Madden. Point is, this kid loves your vids, he's been able to parlay my advice with your tutorials into what will be a D1 pitcher for sure, hopefully for LSU! Kid threw 15 strike outs in 5 innings in his championship game for his league, he already has a great slider. Give a shout out to Patrick in your next video, I was actually telling him to start yoga over hardcore weight training. If he's this good at 12yrs old he has the stuff, as he grows older I think flexibility and learning more breaking pitches will be key, he already has the arm. Kid's gonna be unstoppable. Mark my words!

From what I'm seeing as my son starts to play high school ball is first and foremost you've got to throw strikes and secondly change speeds. If you throw strikes and have a pretty good change up you're going to have success. Velocity becomes more important if you're trying to play college ball for sure. We have kids that can touch upper 80's and low 90's but don't really pitch. They're throwers, not pitchers, big difference.

@moviemonkey99

5 жыл бұрын

Spot On, In HS this is IT! Too many are trying to gun it and only walk, hit batters, and then.... they steal second, or even third, etc. Then wait for the passed ball for the run and the game is lost. Also, how many times do you see a hole form in the mound during a game (landing foot) and then pitchers let it get bigger and its messing with their delivery.

@jakeherington7237

5 жыл бұрын

mdog33333 You must play in a shitty area. And I don’t think the kids training here are putting hours of work a day just to be a good high school pitcher. They’re trying to make a career out of baseball or get a free education out of it.

Great video and tips guys!

@YouGoPro

5 жыл бұрын

I Don't Know Mango 👊😉

Driving off your heel vs ball of your foot. For those with limited hip internal rotation, I feel being on the ball of your foot helps facilitate more hip internal rotation.

I thought velocity trumped accuracy and control...specially when most of MLB pitchers throw over 95+++. Well it was entertaining to watch Ryu pitch against Yankees the other day. With his accuracy and command, Ryu who's max was 91 did a pitching clinic on Yankees players. So now I think accuracy command and velocity in that order. Thx for the video.

Location, movement, velocity in that order imo. Great topic and video.

@YouGoPro

5 жыл бұрын

MrCctvtech LMV baby!

@jbrewer1272

5 жыл бұрын

correction: location..velocity..movement

@icepick859

4 жыл бұрын

Obviously. Pretty much just common sense

Sliding down the mound rotational pitching vs driving off the back foot.... keeping the back elbow up during hitting vs relaxed.... leg kicks for more power.... crow hop vs the shuffle and throw. dynamic stretching vs static stretching. Bonus topic. Could you explain proper warm up for youth starting and relief pitching?

@YouGoPro

5 жыл бұрын

mooreas Perfect topics! 🙌

If I ever throw with a weighted ball I don’t throw anything extreme weight wise, I usually don’t throw hard and focus on mechanics with the weighted ball and then when I turn it loose I use a regular baseball

Hey I'm curious, I've been searching this on google but I don't really find what I want. So I came here. My question is how many inches does the average slider move horizontally and vertically in the major league? When I throw, from my view it moves across the whole plate...don't know if thats really how it goes but I like it. So I want to compare my throw to the average major league slider pitch.

I’m a 16 yr old toping 87 . Weighted balls are good when you are in a throwing program that you crest for else once you learn how body feels and recover . I use weighted balls only 1 a week for 25-34 throws . Mixed in with heavy lifting and long toss ( getting deep with your legs) and adding your cardio expand your arm life can take you a long way J bands and international rotation are very slept on

i was benching alot and my pec was really tight which limited my shoulder mobility

I am 12 years old and I love long toss I feel like I get way more hip shoulder separation than I normally do I don't get much normally but you have to take it slow and put arc on the ball I keep it low intent until you get to max distance then you pull down.

I know a former pro pitcher (low minors) who long tossed obsessively. But when he took the mound, he threw hard, but had no command. He would bounce everything. He's no longer pitching

Olympic lifting really helped me for college skiing and golf. Gonna get your whole body explosive. Dangerous yes, you gotta be careful.

I coach 10U baseball and I do not like weighted balls at this age. We are still focusing on mechanics. Weighted balls, in my idea, would be good in the upper high school/college and above. I would still limit use though.

@YouGoPro

5 жыл бұрын

Scott Brown I agree

@KenGaska

5 жыл бұрын

@@YouGoPro My 10 year old son had a really long throwing motion that always reminded me of Uncle Rico throwing a steak at Napoleon. A friend of mine is a baseball trainer/coach and he recommended some weighted ball drills to help correct that arm path and they worked great and I'm very happy with the way he's throwing today. It didn't take long at all. We didn't go crazy with it but in moderation I think they can be a valuable tool like many other drills. instagram.com/p/BuBHS6OgeFo/

Heavy lifting works, Olympic lifting works, kettlebells work, and so do weighted baseballs. But these have to be done without injury which means the people who perform them can't be clowns, and have to have a deep understanding of how to transition from deadlift, to explosive power lifts, to weighted balls, and finally to throwing. You CAN build speed this way, I have done it, but again, it takes a lot of discipline and understanding and strong joints as well...because injury in any part of this training is obviously counter-productive. I understand coaches not wanting to take a risk, it's their job to follow guidelines which will keep their players safe, but I GUARANTEE that most coaches are not optimizing player performance, throwing speed, etc, because they're simply afraid to go outside the normal contemporary lines which are seemingly risky to their players, and hence their job. I have seen it work, this chain of heavy lifting---band training/heaving lifting----kettlebell speed training----weighted throws----throwing, WORKS...builds the kinetic chain, and is optimal for speed production. And as for weighted baseballs, you need a great deal of tendon and joint strength in order to see good results from this training over time, which means you NEED the strength background. If you simply go to weighted baseballs with kids in high school or even college who lack the necessary strength needed to support this kind of strain on their joints, obviously they are going to get injured. The people who claim this is dangerous, have no grasp on what is needed as a prerequisite before performing this training...as most college coaches have no clue either. For the most part, people are approaching throwing backwards. You will build flexibility and speed, but you will not optimize a player's potential until you put strength training and power training as a prerequisite to throwing. It is hard to change the outlook of a sport like baseball, but I am certain that the majority of coaches simply lack the understanding to put plans into place in order to maximize player's throwing ability. This can mean that you hold people back and put a high priority on the gym for much of the year, until they build the necessary strength needed to throw at a high level.

Just listened to a podcast with stone, talking about ground force and couldn't help but notice where there is a bald spot in that mound your on, stones whole argument is that ground force should begin on the heel, which I think supports a lot of Brent's ideas, as you dont squat on your toes.... looking at that mound I would think they are beginning the drive in the heel, and "pivoting" to the toe... thoughts?

@YouGoPro

5 жыл бұрын

David Desharnais I never felt it in my heel. I always felt it in the ball of my foot digging into the ground. The term I use is “angled corkscrew”. My heel was connected to the ground but there wasn’t significant weight on it. I am still an advocate of “sitting into” the backside but more like as if you were to jump as high as you could, you wouldn’t be on your heels (or at least I wouldn’t). I’d like to hear Brent’s thoughts on this too. Thanks for the comment. 🙌

@TheYankeyDave

5 жыл бұрын

@@YouGoPro I think you nailed.some.of it with the corkscrew... in fact, I thought of what you had said when I heard the podcast (we are big fans of you, and I like looking at Brent's stuff although he doesn't design his program towards younger guys) Stone said, that you sort of twist, and end up on your toes, but you need to group the larger more powerful muscle groups first, which are the hams and glutes, as those fire you rotate and grab the front of the leg... I don't always see how this could happen, but he said he has pressure plates that prove it... makes me think king of the hill could be a curse and blessing. I still want it because regardless of where it comes, need to DRIVE. The heel thing makes me think of the Olympic lifting, noone does good squats on their toes.

@YouGoPro

5 жыл бұрын

David Desharnais That makes sense to me. I definitely felt the hams and glutes activated, not all quad dominant, I just never felt on my heels to get there. Same with squats and Olympic lifting. I never understood when they would say sit back on your heels. I think on those lifts I was probably more evenly spread out on the foot but definitely not heel dominant. Maybe I was doing it wrong 🤷‍♂️ I could always move a lot of weight though. Could rep out 405 lbs on ass to grass squats and dead lifted 625 lbs max at my best. I do love the KOTH. Thanks again for your input. That’s what it’s all about everybody learning from each other. I love it 🙌

Great rule of thumb ... if you have a younger player, be careful with weighted balls

accuracy, because some batters can see pitches well enough that velocity doesnt matter

whats the deal with jaeger long toss??

@KenGaska

5 жыл бұрын

I'd definitely like to hear Alan Jaeger on with these 2 to kick things around.

I agree with long toss. It is nice to feel the shoulder extend, but in theory you very well may be creating mechanic issues and the further you are throwing the ball, the majority of us will add a lot of resistance in the elbow and shoulder against gravity. You are purposely throwing the ball in the air with arc instead of staying completely through and on top of the ball. Weight room could assist in making up the lacking muscles if you truly feel long toss will help strengthen the arm. Accuracy = priority. Velocity isn't going to matter if I can't hit my spots or throw strikes. Accuracy is the purpose of throwing in all throws.

@derek7112

Жыл бұрын

If your throwing long toss high into the air...your doing it wrong

I never maxed out on long toss

Anyone hve the link he was talking about?

@YouGoPro

5 жыл бұрын

Dylan Chan which link? I’ll send it to you.

Velocity....greg Maddux, tom glavin, tim wakefield, jamie Moyer, david cone...most all-star pitches hit 90s...it comes to command of pitches, changing speed and direction of movement, and being able to throw any pitch for a strike at anytime.

As a pitcher I’ve never liked barbell bench, dumbbell bench is where it’s at. As far as long toss, you just gotta listen to your arm. Weighed balls can be safe if done correctly, like Delabar‼️

@YouGoPro

5 жыл бұрын

Parker Newby I’m with you

I grew up Olympic lifting. The best method to teach athletic power. It requires good coaching and thoughtful programming. It should be left to Olympic Lifting coaches.

@YouGoPro

5 жыл бұрын

rjvsmb we had some great qualified coaches at auburn university. They were the football team’s trainers when the went undefeated in 2005. They took us through everything very slow and we only used the bar for like 4-6 weeks before adding any weight. It was all technique based.

@rjvsmb

5 жыл бұрын

@@YouGoPro I had a pretty good coach to starting at the age of 13. He was the head Olympic lifting coach for the United States weightlifting team and the president United States weightlifting Federation. I have no doubt the coaches at your school we're good. But, I trust Olympic lifting to Olympic lifting coaches.

@BobBob-lr5re

5 жыл бұрын

rjvsmb Brent is a USA Weightlifting certified coach

I let my guys that have more mature arms with good mechanics use them.. overload with 6oz, underload with 4oz. I've never had a problem with any of my pitchers using this approach. I've never had an issue.

Olympic lifting will make you better at any sport and any position period. Any ready aged kid not doing Olympic lifts is losing out. It’s compound movement so it uses you’re whole body and you have to generate a lot of force from a static position hmmm just like a pitcher. The caveat is you need to lift correctly with proper technique or you can seriously hurt yourself

weighted ball is not bad.the thing is tha befor you start throwing with it , you have to workout your body.first i start working the shoulder with string then medicine ball and more workout then when the arms and shoulder are strong ,charged right after the workout then i start trowing the weighted ball 4pound like 10 easy trow, 2 pound like10 trow, then 1pound like 10 trow, then soft ball ,then baseball and after that 25 to 30 towel.you wont feel bad because you did a hard workout of your body first by the time you start throwing the wieghted ball your body was very strong

How about long distance running to increase bloodflow to your arm?

@YouGoPro

5 жыл бұрын

Gomez Gomez That’s a good one. I do like long distance running the day after pitching but for explosive training sprints work much better

Is it...you need good mechanics to throw fast?, or throw it fast and hard (with high intent) and then figure out the mechanics to not get hurt.

I dont think I agree with weighted balls because it slightly changes the mechanics of the throw. You get better at throwing the baseball by throwing a regular baseball with repeatable mechanics. As far as olympic lifting I believe it isn't necessary for an already explosive person because jumps, sprints and medicine ball throws can cover that base however I do think for a less explosive person that olympic lifts(lighter and not for max effort)are tremendous for building power in the vertical plane. Squat and deadlift strength are much more important at first though. Bench press I dont really have a concrete opinion on but I think at first that benching and overhead pressing strength is important and the best way to build strength is to get a respectable bench relative to your strength potential but then I really feel dumbbells is a great thing to graduate to once that base of strength is built.

I’m not against weighted balls, I believe there is value in it. The problem is it has to be performed in a controlled environment under the supervision of someone who can recognize the disconnect in real time. I honestly think coaches shouldnt even coach weighted ball work until they are trained. It should be regulated in my opinion. Our games youth are at a crossroads with this because of the need for speed and we should be out front in protecting them.

Accuracy is more important move your ball around and have a good defense and don’t walk people and you will be Surprised at the end of the year with games one and era. And you won’t have injuries like some that can only throw heat

The greatest power lifter of all time (Ed Coan) says to never miss a lift in training. We are baseball players who lift, not weightlifters who play baseball.

@YouGoPro

5 жыл бұрын

rjvsmb I like it

The bottom line is programming. John you went from high school bro-workout to a MLB program. My guess is wasn't the movement it was the mover.

@YouGoPro

5 жыл бұрын

rjvsmb I agree but I also think of it like a diet. There’s science behind diets but how come some people can’t lose weight? There’s a lot of variables. Finding what works best for you in most important. Not every program (or diet) will work for everyone. But if you get consistent you’ll see results and learn as you go. I recently lost 50 lbs without a diet. Just eating a little better and feeling out my workouts in the gym.

@rjvsmb

5 жыл бұрын

@@YouGoPro Yes, there is no one way, and every body structure and body type will respond differently, but I would argue that well planned out program that teaches good technique and has a well thought out plan can utilize many lifting modalities. It's not the movement, it's the technique. Good coaching can identify the proper mechanics for the person training. As for diet, I would say the same applies. in the hands of a qualified, knowledgeable and experienced nutrition expert, he/she can maximize the overall health and performance of the individual. Just because a person lost 50lbs doesn't tell me much about their health, and athleticism. No offense meant. I'm just trying to express that having qualified professionals managing performance is crucial to the development of the athlete.

@YouGoPro

5 жыл бұрын

rjvsmb I 100% agree but I think it first lands on the athlete/pitcher/or person trying to lose weight. They have to be committed, believe in it, and ultimately “buy in” to have any success. You could have the perfect programming but without the right mindset or “why” then good luck. Same is to be said about the athlete who is all in but is following a shit program. I guess the answer is the best do both...and learn from their experiences as they go. 🙌

i dont get why videos like this get dislikes

I think that drills without any kind of medicine balls or weights are Best. I play on a 13U team and without weights it works GREAT and doesn't hurt.

Coaches, parents, players are overly obsessed with velocity! Play baseball and your velocity will naturally increase. Younger kids....high school and below will naturally gain velocity by throwing and also playing sports, eating right, and being active. I threw 90 in high school before I blew my knee out. All this crap the kids are being taught today is the reason they are having arm problems. I played in college, never got back to the same velocity. Weighted balls...high school and below...hell no. Mechanics are still jacked up. Bench press, no. Dumbell flies, yes. Long toss, yes. Olympic lifting, no. Lift legs, shoulders, back, lower back, core.

a baseball is a weighted ball

Movement

I hope the kid doing the bench presses isn't a pitcher... You will limit your flexibility that way...

I will say, watching the boys in the back benching make me cringe. It's my opinion that lifter should be able to complete all movements without out assistance. That is just out-right poor programming and technique.

@waterdell2000

5 жыл бұрын

Wth that’s way too much weight for the lil guys

I can't stand the dude from top velocity, it's all this over thinking/ looking into the game that is causing pitchers careers to end early...dude is too smart, ....toe the rubber, Chuck the pill...locate...get good movement on the two seem, then as you grow the velo will come, but always love your videos..

@StrideX21

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I bet you hate doctors too. Just eat healthy screw what the experts say.

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