Hello, Nadrel here, In this mission, the changes introduced by Moebius are the following: - Increased enemy attack waves and defenses - Bonus Credits for saving more colony outposts. - Gas re-added to bottom Island with a twist. - A few ambush triggers. - Infested Siege Tanks defend some of the bases. - Ally units will be infested if they die. The changes already added by Nightmare are the following: - Burrowed infestors around the map. Will unburrow and Fungal. - Infestors can use Neural Parasite against powerful targets - Enemy uses more Brood Lords and Corruptors - Attacks against outposts quicker. Infested spawns increased exponentially based on number of remaining infested settlements (including those without virophages) - Infested marines shoot rockets at air units Design thoughts: I re-added the gas pick-ups to the Southern island because I like to reward exploration. There are a few clues to be careful and you can absolutely escape with the gas and no losses if you're fast. Otherwise, the game plays similar to how it normally does.

At the beginning of the series, didn't the mod say you could replay missions to improve the secondary objectives rewards, so now with super marines save all of the civilians on the first mission.

@WonderlandGhost

Жыл бұрын

You can do the evil mode for a lot of credits

@stormcmmdr1412

Жыл бұрын

What is evil mode?

@zealot2222

Жыл бұрын

@@stormcmmdr1412 Hardmode that adds stats to the enemies, basically.

@stormcmmdr1412

Жыл бұрын

@@zealot2222 terrifying

@simpteam6289

Жыл бұрын

@@stormcmmdr1412 it adds new buffs to enemies (some of them are bigger and take more damage, some explode when killed, some have cloaking, etc). You can actually set the percentage of how many enemies have these stats (20% ,50%, and 100%) to determine how many extra credits you get.

"I can't read the message yet" - this many episodes later, Grant still hasn't figured out he can open the message and press pause

@Fede.i.M.

Жыл бұрын

What pause button?

@ldn_rumrunner

Жыл бұрын

@@Fede.i.M. on your keyboard

@Fede.i.M.

Жыл бұрын

@@ldn_rumrunner what key? I just use f10 to get to the menu, i never used pause.

@TheMuffinman191

Жыл бұрын

@@Fede.i.M. there’s a literal pause function key over by your delete button

@sethmoyer

Жыл бұрын

@@TheMuffinman191 probably they're using a laptop or something without a pause key would be my guess.

The Gas Island is Gas Island in Moebius Mod. But gas not free...

@dragonlloux

Жыл бұрын

Uhhh what’s in there?

@illogicalbear6200

Жыл бұрын

@@dragonlloux You don't wanna know. Audrey told me, and she shouldn't have, so I'm telling you, You don't wanna know.

@crocidile90

Жыл бұрын

@@illogicalbear6200 I wanna know now

@dragonlloux

Жыл бұрын

@@illogicalbear6200 ok, now I’ve never needed to know something so much! TELLL MEEEEEE

@daddysempaichan

Жыл бұрын

There's a reason why it's covered in bones...

Fun facts (spoilers): If you ally with Nova (also finish the mission normally), but then you go to the archives and kill her in the beginning of the mission - you get to play Breakout. End result - you get both Ghost & Spectres. The bad news is the specters have their default ability (psionic lash) instead of confusion. Also only the Spectres can call down Nukes somehow...

@jaycobhughes3932

Жыл бұрын

id honestly say base ability of specter, ultrasonic pulse, is better then what the mod gives them, confusion is nice, but far more expensive and not nearly as spamible, though it does have a greater effect when you get enough to spam it anyway

One thing you should try on the Nova mission is use Raynors bois to kill Nova there is a little easter egg when you do it

@jimraynorraider2572

Жыл бұрын

ofc he should reload a save after doing it.

I actually like gas island, the idea that you can explore to get some resources that help pump out the introduced unit is nice, specially as that unit is ideal for gathering it. On top of that its not really THAT much gas, stuff like the mineral pallets spread around the earlier missions I'd argue is way less reasonable.

Gas island exists, but it has a family of hungry raptorlings guarding it just like on the first Hanson mission

Grant, Gas Island *does* exist in the Moebius Mod. Just because it uses Nightmare as a base, doesn't mean all the Nightmare stuff is going to be in there. Gas Island does exist, and it's hilarious.

Incinerator gauntlets for the Cerberus will be great cause greater area of effect armor shred that you can throw into planetaries

@EdwardZhou_TJOL56

Жыл бұрын

Do they have the range to do anything though?

@exxon101

Жыл бұрын

Firebats in this mod are just S-tier in general. They're sooooooo tanky with the armor upgrade and the upgraded medics. *for what you pay for them

@kilwat492

Жыл бұрын

@@EdwardZhou_TJOL56 don't the units in bunkers/planetaries get the range buff from sensor towers? With that I feel like they're really good in planetaries. I assumed they did and used planetaries with marauder, firebat, and marines in them for all in and it felt pretty great.

@daddysempaichan

Жыл бұрын

Same here. But I just want Grant to build more Firebats unironically.

@jaycobhughes3932

Жыл бұрын

@@EdwardZhou_TJOL56 base wings firebats are pretty poop, expensive, really squishy, poor damage, horrid range, ect ect mod fire bats are slightly more expensive, but FAR more durable, have a incredibly powerfull force multiplier with there armor shred, have ok range when under a bunker and sensor tower, without it its still eh, but there very high dps makes it worth it to get em into melee, comboed with stetmen who can let the pyros eat everything short of a battery of siege tanks to the face and you get some seriously FIREpower. yes that was a pun

Grant forgot that fire prevents Infested buildings from super-regenerating. That is why you had such an easy time.

"They regenerate quick" If only this game has a unit guaranteed to be unlocked for this mission that can disable regen!

@Biggerwhenpulled

11 ай бұрын

Like the Helion, that he built almost instantly after seeing the building regen?

GGG: "Games should reward exploration" also GGG: "Lets remove the gas island, one of the few rare cases when sc2 rewards exploration and not with just a meme background like Diablo in the evolution mission"

@cptKamina

Жыл бұрын

It's not exploration if you already know about it and exploit it.

@CascaDEER

Жыл бұрын

@@cptKamina should we only be able to get that gas once in our first playthrough and then never again? Or only on easier difficulties?

@cptKamina

Жыл бұрын

@@CascaDEER On easier, obviously.

@GiantGrantGamesArchives

Жыл бұрын

Game design crafted for people on their first few playthroughs, like the default campaign, and design intended to be an advanced challenge for people who have played the game a ton are different. When I say that something is positive design for a campaign that doesn't mean that it's always correct for every solution ever. Game design isn't black and white. Gas island is perfectly fine design for the main campaign, but that doesn't mean on Nightmare you should be able to freewin the first half of the mission at 0 opportunity cost.

@zoltanrobertlovas4672

Жыл бұрын

@@GiantGrantGamesArchives the point about "free win" is good, but I would argue that on a higher difficulty a reward for the ability to get out and explore should be a thing even more, after all the challange to do it is higher as well. Remembering the free win point I'd say not removing but changing the map discovery thing should be the way. Instead of free gas, put a free cc with a few scvs surrounded by spore colonies. Or a clearable expansion spot that may or may not produce fliers periodically. This way you do cannot commit to it early game, but can be rewarded for pushing out later. Higher difficulty -> higher risk and reward.

I'm glad you're sleeping better, as amusing as the confusion of sleepy Grant can be.

You get additional credits for using the Evil command in the archives. The random Evil buff isn't like Mutations in Coop, it just makes some units (or, if you do 100, all units) harder, stronger, tougher. I want to see *Evil* ghost things.

Grant has been playing challenge runs so long, he forgot that the Aberration attacks only spawn if you don’t save the bases

I am very very sad you didn't look at gas island because its been put back but is... spicy shall we say

@thest0mpa

Жыл бұрын

for people who don't know go back and watch his attempt at the evacuation and look at what happened to the "free" money at the start of that mission to get a good idea of what was done to the "free" money at gas island

7:10 Grant:" I think we need a little of...(thinking)...these guys. Because my anti-air force is incredible" Mutaslisks:"Let us to introduce ourselves"

Really hope you take a look at the gas pickups for this mission, they are... spicy.

@chrinschbro

Жыл бұрын

Lol he did not... Only a small scan at the end XD

@donothack

Жыл бұрын

​@@kilmindaro3 take a gas

@jimraynorraider2572

Жыл бұрын

@@kilmindaro3 we dont talk about gas island...

@thefool8224

Жыл бұрын

@@kilmindaro3 .definitely a deathtrap like usual, knowing this mod author

For All In mission nydus, Banshee attack upgrade is a good choice.

Grant, you CAN get all upgrades. Play a random mission off screen on casual. As you win, type e100 . You get all the money (bonus for evil 100). I farmed my cash in Piercing The Shroud, on casual, typing e100 as i loaded into the transport. Two runs and i had every upgrade in the game.

You CRUSHED this one, Grant! :)

This was a missile frigate followed by Vikings mission. Had legionaries follow once I hit the gas restriction. It was nuts

Justice for our boy missile turret, he needs armor, of course.

We need to help this guy make the Ceberus Concept. Because of the edited zerg, not the firebats.

i think one of the viking upgrades would serve you well in gates of hell, shatter the sky and air all in

I honestly felt like this mission was pretty easy on the Mobius mod (at least compared to normal Nightmare, if not the base Brutal as well). The raw stats of your 3 upgraded starting Vikings are enough to fight off the first infection wave by themselves with a little micro, cause they can two shot Corrupters and the Virophage itself doesn't regen like other Infected buildings. The Missle Frigate is also insane on this mission, as an actual competent versatile air-to-ground + air-to-air in place of the Wraith, which also outranges the anti-air Infected. Once I had one or two of those I pretty much a-moved my way through everything.

When I played it, realised you could cheese the money from bonus objectives in archive, so as soon as i got to hyperion just played archive of first mission a few times for tons of credits and always had every possible unlock.

you can replay maw of the void to kill the mothership and get 50000, that's how this mod works with firebat-hellion-science vessel, of course

Interesting that there is more potential bonus credits in this mission than it's alternative, especially as there is no real time limit to getting them. Might want to consider upping the number of credits to something like 15000 per settlement on Safe Haven

A little disappointed that you didn't use the full extent of the hellion with the spider mines. They wouldn't have been that good over all, but you're already paying for the hellions so

typical grant building the extra e-bay

I... completely forgot gas island even existed. I think I found it once or twice ages ago, back when WoL first came out and then never used it again.

always look forward to a new grant vid.

Reapers. Lots of reaper suicide bombers.

Rested Grant is Invincible Grant.

I'm still hopeing for last wol protoss mission done but with the full might of the terrain tech tree to see just how far you could have gotten

Hmmm, wish that there had been a thing on this mission where if ya kept the outposts safe that it'd not have that death of Hanson

Cross-Spectrum Dampeners will probably be good idea to grab just for All In unless you have another plan for the out-of-base nyduses.

It would be really interesting to see a planetary with cerberos fire bats and widow mine based defence for all in

Now i wanna see in utter darkness with an actual defensive composition (basically i wanna see siege tanks)

Stealth research for banshees or shield research for bc would be great.

Upgraded cerberus+ Sensor tower would be an awesome defense for the last mission.

Any zerg level can be beaten pretty easily using mass ghosts, which have snipe on auto-cast and have dodge chance while cloaked. Throw a few medics in there and you're golden. I literally a-moved shatter the sky and only lost 11 units.

I wanna see leviathan killed by mines on platform mission, it would be cool with siege tanks as consistent ground DPS and mines as AA

Funfact. Ther is a surprise for all in

Thanks for the fun! ^^ Is the regeneration rate apply to all zerg? Because if so, more fire power (litteraly) is good.😁🔥

@dylanhentch9719

Жыл бұрын

Just infested

THE GROOVIUS MOD

I would actually like to see the aoe damage out put with the banshee (nightingale?) think it will be a cool comp to go nightingale Viking missile friget. For gates of hell.

seems you always get the bonus credits in this mod, even if it's the 20th time you replay the same mission

In my play through I did with mission with only Vikings and a Hercules making firebats

He knows the game pauses when he opens the mail by clicking on the envelope icon right…right?

tomorrow, everyone will know why I wanted Grant to do Ghost of a Chance first. XD

On Casual, at least, gas island does exist.

@amythystmiriel

Жыл бұрын

He scanned at the very end and saw it was there

i did the nova mission in the archives, killed all the specters, and did not seem to get any bonus credits (i was on char at the time). shame too, couldve used the last couple mercs

Tomorrow is when things will start to heat up, and not because Grant is off to Char tomorrow.

Yas, finally video

Viking Range upgrade!

Gas island should be put on a random timer. 7-30 minutes.

get the widow mine drill speed upgrade XD

Man I thought I was smart going mass Missile Frigate.

Why do the auto-gases work here without a close-by CC, but didn't during the protoss missions?

@lasselen9448

Жыл бұрын

As I understand it, it's not a close-by CC. It's a CC anywhere on the map. The Protoss missions didn't have one initially so that's why the extractors didn't work.

@vags1234

Жыл бұрын

@@lasselen9448 I thought the point was to prevent taking just the auto-gases at an expansion as a low risk way to get extra gas. You always start with a CC.

@Neo-vz8nh

Жыл бұрын

@@vags1234 it just requires one CC to be exist on a map somewhere.

i didn't notice any aberrations? Where were they? It seems a lot easier than it should be tbh, but maybe you are just that good. Enemy scaling with you completing objectives seemed slow and they made little effort to push back.

Grant, or anyone, I have a question I have heard a few days ago and found it interesting. What is the purpose of supply in RTS games, like supply in SC2, houses in AOE series and food in Warcraft? Why not just give players max pop from the very beginning? I am interesten in your answer, thanks in advance

@KyogiGenei

Жыл бұрын

its to stop players from too easily convert their resources to troops. in say company of heroes there isnt supply issue but there is resource issue. its another lever to stop things from going out of control

@VasiliyOgniov

Жыл бұрын

I guess it would be much harder to balance the economy without gradual pop cap

@TheMuffinman191

Жыл бұрын

Its a growth bottleneck. If you remove the need for supply then massing troops early becomes the only strategy that matters. You can see if with some coop commanders that have easy or free supply. You also have little incentive to defend anything but your main command structure, though thats also why people hide their supply behind those structures.

@kesiazezebajki1982

Жыл бұрын

Alright, thank you guys for the answers, they really make sense to me

Heaven's Fall? Is that an AldnoahZero reference ?

I wonder if grant will realise what he can do in nova's ghost of a chance, for the ones who don't know, i will explain bellow: Spoilers for ghost of a chance: . . . . . . . . . . . . In this mod you will receive a mail from Tosh in the beggining of the mission, then, if you kill nova with Raynor you will receive 10000 credits and the mission will instead go to Breakout instantly, i don't know for how long can you do that since the message said there is a limit and i did it in the beggining, but still it's a very nice plot twist.

I vote for all in, rather than using banshees to snipe nydus you get mass speedy BCs to snipe nydus.

Random comment for channel interaction.

Infested Legionnaires?

Getting the bonus money at the end raises a question. Can you keep replaying missions to get theoretically infinite money?

@Schilani

Жыл бұрын

If you are looking for a money cheese here: An easier way would be to play the mission and right before you finish set it to Evil 100 to get that bonus money without any bonus difficulty.

Will you be going back to Maw of the Void to claim the 50K you missed since you didn't kill the Protoss mothership?

Missile frigate/viking made this mission a joke.

I am confused, why are you doing this one again when you already did it?

Hey, Grant, since you can get some money from Archives, will you consider to go back in time to kill Mothership, get those juicy 50 grands and show us some Frigate/Seraphim action?

Did you see grant skip the firebat upgrade ?

Only Bio units in All In?

it was already explained in the comments of one of the earlier videos that you do.

Hey Grant when you're done with your current series you should check out SevenBlood's new Curse of the Blood Elves revamped for WC3 its really cool

Hi!

The Archives credits seem a tad inconsistent, looks to me like its repeatable but only for certain bonuses. Liberation Day works. Breakout did not award me any credits from Archives, neither did ghost of a chance. We can see from Grant that Haven works. As far as I can tell there are 2 types of bonuses coded. one type pops up at the top of the end of mission summary and one at the bottom of the summary depending on the mission. Both Haven and Liberation day have the first type of bonus objective so they repeatedly give (potentially infinite) bonus credits from archives. Probably not intended to be exploitable but eh it's not like credits really matter in this campaign and it looks like the mod is geared to let you get nearly everything anyway. At a pure guess it looks like the objectives the mod maker coded themselves are the ones that repeatedly reward you where as any old blizzard bonus objectives that already had or have had credit rewards added on to them still work as originally intended and do not give any reward from the Archives.

Yeah grant get reaper upgrades

And go mass reapers

Walk in the park.. I almost feel like Grant should take a tea break before starting the recording, to plan those '5 minutes' at the start, and then nother 5 on how to challenge himself a bit, or how to make it more cinematic (or bring some meme into life).

Yo

day 127 of asking grant to do reapers only

@eagle_and_the_dragon

Жыл бұрын

Reapers only would be pretty easy on this mod I suppose.

@SpencerJWang

Жыл бұрын

I believe in you you madlad

@huskyhd693

Жыл бұрын

Might be impossible in vanilla WOL because many obj is flying... but in this mod it totally doable!

Bro PLEASE balance your vocal audio, your voice is so f***ing boomy.