I remember they showed this in the cinema before screening South Pacific - I nearly missed seeing South Pacific because my aunt had to take me out as I was going to be sick because the roller-coaster ride seemed so real :D

I also remember seeing this before screening South Pacific in the first 70 MM theater, Jyoti, in Calcutta. It was either 1958 or 1959. I was a 13 year old boy. With time South Pacific memory faded a bit but not this experience. I still remember the Roller Coaster and the 6 track sound with speakers below the seats. Thanks to the uploader.

They need to bring it Back!

@pawfan

3 жыл бұрын

AGREED!

Seeing 50s-style filmmaking (and especially 50s-style music) in what's the standard video frame rate is surreal.

@pixer415

10 ай бұрын

Almost like sending a GoPro back seventy years ago.

@ActuallyHoudini

3 ай бұрын

​@@pixer415 or like those AI frame rate upscalers

Debbie. Todd AO. Just popped UP 1.30am! I Very Familiar with Todd AO and Cinarama Technology. Quied 8.Hrs. Hot Day. Leicester Square .Opening Day! My Type of Movie- American West !!. What A Surprise Again. also Anamorphic Lens just being Used for Cinamscop. 1958? 😊. Bit Tired now!

Speaking with the truth,. this is a development of the famous three camera Cinerama process which gave its first presentation in New York on September 30, 1952 with the film "This is Cinerama" becoming the highest rating film of 1952. The Cinerama was so successful that they made several travel logs and two full argumental movies, How the West Was Won and The Wonderful World of the Brothers Grimm. After a few years, Panavision developed !Ultra-Cinerama" wgich was identical in presentation but using single lens, similar to this Todd-AO principle.

For a film from 1956, the sound has a much higher fidelity. You can hear the bass and treble very well.

This is the proper way of presenting this on Blu - ray.It protects the copy rights of todd a.o which was a single film curve screen process.When Oklahoma with the two shorts were reissue on blu - ray I was hoping fox would present these films in smile box.They did not.Obviously They saw this as the way 3d has been viewed ,a gimmick .This would have been the properer way of presenting the three films on Blu ray.

I saw this as a 10 year old-and vividly remember a woman sitting in front of my mum and I - putting her hand up to hold onto her hat when the big dipper went over the top!

Who else is here after viewing THIS IS CINERAMA? 😎🇵🇷🇺🇸📽🗽🦂

Mike Todd had these 2 Todd-AO shorts made when disappointed that Oklahoma only used the 120 degree lens In a few shots. Todd wanted a more Cinerama experience, so had these shorts added on. Luis De Rouchmont ( of Cinerama Holiday and Windjamer fame) produced these two shorts, recreating many Cinerama shots, as well as new ones. Probably why Morton Gould did the music for these, as he did De Rouchmont’s other wide screen films.

@thomashauerslev9471

2 жыл бұрын

Mike Todd had nothing to do with the 2x Todd-AO demos

@hgrunt100

Жыл бұрын

Also bit of a sidenote. The tune playing while the rollercoaster sequence is starting is a carnival version of "After the ball" - coincidentally used in another R&H production, Show Boat.

@nigelchamberlain9598

6 ай бұрын

At the Gaumont Manchester the Philips DP70 projectors didn't half used to rattle when set at 30fps for The Miracle of Todd AO. Then we had to change over to 24fps on the other projector for the opening of South Pacific ( Part 1 of 13 reels. Happy Times, Nigel

I hope they start to release the epics of the 50’s & 60’s in this format. One can only hope.

@franka7557

4 жыл бұрын

Some of them were shot in the process. The Alamo, Cleopatra, The Agony and the Ecstasy for example.

Wonderful presentation!!

@marlbrouk

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Morton Gould composed the music [uncredited] for this film as well as the "March of Todd-AO".

Will have to find one of these lenses and see how a REALLY NICE digital camera handles it. Should be okay.

@cameronmcalpine7614

3 жыл бұрын

I believe Old Fast Glass has a set.

@pawfan

3 жыл бұрын

@@cameronmcalpine7614 I look them up and go from there.

Initially it was 5 channels for front and 1 for rear. Later they changed the standard, 3 in front, 2 to rear, 1 for bass effects.

@lorddalek

2 жыл бұрын

Actually it was 3 front, 1 rear and bass effects either as 2 bass only channels or 1 dedicated subwoofer for the majority of films in the Dolby era.

9:32 That would be a good idea for a reality show.

This was the first roller-coaster I ever road back in the sixties .

@J.P.SeeburgEandKTSpecial

3 ай бұрын

I rode this coaster for real between 1960-67 at POP, Ocean Park, Los Angeles. A great, fast stomach churner!

Cool that nowadays we have curved monitors. I only went once to a cinema with a curved screen. It so more immersive! offtopic: The rollercoaster scene reminds me of Roller Coaster Tycoon 1, it think it is the standard wooden rollercoaster build.

@ericthemauve

2 жыл бұрын

Curved monitors have gone the way of 3-D TV! 😃

The Movie Was- Oklahoma. Sorry tired!

9:32-9:54 is traveling north on Twin Peaks Boulevard in San Francisco, but at 9:55-10:01 the film cuts to traveling south on US Highway 101 in Marin County outside of San Francisco approaching the Golden Bridge. Then it cuts back to Twin Peaks Boulevard.

Todd AO was intended to be a single film Cinerama, using a 120° lens (less than 146° Cinerama), but this 120° lens had important distorstion, and conventional angle lens were used most of the time with Todd AO, so the immersive effect was lost...

@78Dipar

2 жыл бұрын

@Wiley Combs The Cinerama immersive effect was the result of covering most of the human field of vision. Fred Waller, inventor of Cinerama made many experiments and found out it could be achieved with 146° horirontally and 55° vertically. As such a wide angle wasn't possible with a sngle lens and camera, a triple camera was used with corresponding triple projectors. As it was impossible to achieve such a wide angle on a flat screen, a deeply curvend screnn had to be used. I have seen almost all of the Cinerama films (but Brothers Grimm) at the Paris Cinerama theater., The seams between the three image wern't always perfect (it improved a lot with time) but it didn't spoil at all the immersive effect. All attempts to get the Cinerama effect with a single camera and projector, starting with Todd AO 70mm failed because of insufficient shooting angle. Todd AO had a 120° lens but it was hardly used because of heavy distortion. Anyhow filmakers preferred the conventional narrow angles lens which were also available. the result was the loss of the Cinerama effect despite the film being projected on a curved Cinerama screen. It was the same with other 70mm process such as Super Panavision and Ultra Panavision which didn't had ultra wide shooting lens. I remember seeing "The fall of the Roman Empire" filmed in Ultra Panavision at the Paris Cinerama theater, and having been much disappointed, the Cinerama effect was completly lost despite being presented on the wide curved Cinerama screen. Anamorphic filming involve using special lens which compress image to acheive widescreen projection with a non widescreen film. It's used mainly by CinemaScope, using a 2.0 compression ration lens the achieve a 2.4 aspect ratio screen with a 1.2 aspect ratio film. But its not enough to achieve the Cinerama effect. Imax is not at all anamorphic, it uses standard "spherical" lens or "fisheye" for dome. I have seen all kinds of Imax 70mm presentations (2D, 3D, flat sreen, dome screen) at the Futuroscope in France, and despite the huge image quality, there wasn't an immersive effect as good as Cinerama because of insufficient width.

@78Dipar

2 жыл бұрын

@Wiley Combs That main problem is not distortion on the edge, Imax (70mm) uses mostly Hasselblad lenses first designed for its medium format still cameras. I have not noticed disturbing distortion on the edges when watchind Imax projections. I found the image sharpness excellent, but It didn't provided the Cinerama immersive effect because of insufficient widthe angle. It's true that human vision width is more than 146°, but Waller found out that 146° was enough to provide the immersive effect. Dr Vetter who worked on driving simulators for UCLA found out that 150° was required for peripheral vision (much the same as 146°), and designed a 150° lens for 70mm cameras. It's been a little used on the "Dimension 150" name but only two films were shot with this process ("Patton" and "The Bible"), but like the 120° lens of Todd AO, the 150° lens was hardly used because of heavy distortion, most of the film were shot with conventional angle lens. Of course, the brain focus on central vision, and peripheral vision is not as sharp as central vision, but peripheral vision is neccessary to provide a sense of depth for distant things. I saw twice the film "Wings of courage" in Imax 3D and was disappointes by mountain images which lacked depth because of insufficient lateral peripheral vision. Stereoscopy works only for close vision (no more than around 20 feet). Cinerama was complex and costly, this is why the investors who had taken control of the Cinerama company decided to replace it by single lens 70mm, but the immersive effect was lost, and Cinerama lost its attraction power, and this killed Cinerama. The search for more profits didn't work... Without peripheral vision, it's like looking through a keyhole. Another problem is that filmmakers didn't like much Cinerama, as they couldn't play with various angles and couldn't make close-up.

@78Dipar

2 жыл бұрын

@Wiley Combs I am not a filmmaker, but I have been a filmgoer for over 70 years (I just turned 80). I first saw films in CinemaScope and Cinerama in the mid fifties. I have seen film shot in many other process : VistaVision, Technirama, etc. I have seen all the real "three strips" cinerama films but "Brothers Grimm", the five "travelogues" and "Conquest of the west". If have also seen the first two "Kinopanorama" films, the soviet copy of cinerama at the Paris Kinopanorama theater. I have seen all kinds of Imax process at the Futuroscope, 2D, 3D flat screen, dome, and even the "magic carpet" (using a second projector under spectators trough a transparent floor) I have also seen 70mm Ultra Panavision (2.75 AR) at the Paris Cinerama theater (The fall of the Roman empire), and 70mm Super Panavision (2.2 AR) at the London Cinerama theater (2001, a space odyssey). I saw again 2001 in 70mm on flat screen more recently. I have also seen a 4K digital projection from a 65mm shot film (Samsara). Filmmakers didn't like the triple Cinerama camera, because filming only at a 146° angle was someting special there weren't used to do and impaired their creativity without the possibility to change shooting angles, doing close up, etc. The use of the triple Cinerama camera was dropped in 1963, and all subsequent cinerama films were shot in 70mm (65mm in fact) Ultra Panavision, which used a specific 1.25 ratio anomorphic lense to get a 2,75 aspect ratio out of a 2.2 aspect ratio film, so the full width of the Cinerama screen could be filled. When I saw "the fall of the Roman Empire" in 1963, I remember having been very disappointed, the immersive effect of Cinerama had disappeared dispite the Cinerama screen being fully covered. This was because of insufficient shooting angle. And projection brightness wasn't as good as with the triple projectors. What had made Cinerama successful was its immersive effect, but with the switch to single lens 70mm film, this effect was lost, and the success of Cinerama faded out little by little. In the early seventies there has been a Cinerama retrospective at the Paris Cinerama theater, most of "three strips" Cinerama films being showed again. But after that, it was the end for Cinerama. Almost all Cinerama theaters in the world were closed. The Paris one has been transformed into a TV studio for public shows. My long moviegoer experience showed me that there is no subtitute for very wide angle, both for shooting and projection if a real immersive effect is to be achieved. If one of the two is missing, it doesn't work...

Ay qué maravilla 🙏💜🙏 💜🎨💜

This is fun but it's nothing like watching the original process, in any way,. The screen looked like that, and the proportions are right - but the immersive razor sharp image isn't here at all. Sitting watching the original process was screaming out loud stuff. Audiences went nuts when the curtain opened on South Pacific. The credit titles seemed to be in your lap, and the actors too. It was very much like the effect you get when watching good 3D - but no glasses In a few words it was the BEST 70mm process by a mile. this was before they flattened the screen of course.

@marlbrouk

2 жыл бұрын

only had SD source!

Shame the entire thing is out of focus...

"Ultra Curve"? Seems to be a rip-off of David Strohmaier and Cinerama Inc.'s Smilebox process.

Todd-AO was great but CINERAMA was greater!

No way on Gods green earth would i cone down those hills on sky's or motorcycle

Horrible fuzzy image here. Nothing like the real thing...and your "Ultra-Curve" seems to be a "Smilebox" process rip-off.

@marlbrouk

2 ай бұрын

One is a slave to your source material, my friend. Feel free to find better!