The Minds Behind Mindhunter
On Sept. 14, 2018, the Connell School of Nursing hosted retired FBI special agent John E. Douglas and professor of nursing Ann Burgess to discuss criminal profiling and the hit Netflix show "Mindhunter."
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On Sept. 14, 2018, the Connell School of Nursing hosted retired FBI special agent John E. Douglas and professor of nursing Ann Burgess to discuss criminal profiling and the hit Netflix show "Mindhunter."
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The book mindhunter that Douglas wrote is fascinating, I highly recommend it to anybody interested that still actually reads books.
@aduou
5 жыл бұрын
yeah!! I'm gonna buy it !
@tabbysmithfield7840
5 жыл бұрын
aduou it's very good and it's only the first one he did, there are several. The guy Douglas did the serial killer interviews with has several also.
@ryanwilliamtempleton8387
5 жыл бұрын
I'm 60 pages in. I don't read much but I'm quite enjoying it
@sultanabran1
5 жыл бұрын
@@ryanwilliamtempleton8387 starts off slow too. about haflway in, it goes to next level awesome.
@ryanwilliamtempleton8387
5 жыл бұрын
@@sultanabran1 I needed to hear that honestly because I'm struggling a bit. Thanks! :)
Mindhunter fam where are you at?🙋
@AskforQAli
3 ай бұрын
I know right ❤
@valbirkner8131
3 ай бұрын
🙋♀️
@kwik632
2 ай бұрын
Here
@chynnhowe
Ай бұрын
I wish there was a season 3 😢
@devilsfavorite999
25 күн бұрын
@@chynnhoweread her book. I just started and it's phenomenal
Mindhunter, is the best portrayal of what I wanted to be as a kid. Exploring the mind of the strange is so interesting
@sharonwoodbury4928
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for posting this. My thoughts EXACTLY.
Say it again John Douglas: If it wasn't for Ann Burgess and Boston College, there would never have been a Behavioral Unit at the FBI. That's a HUGE COMMENT!
@omarqure
6 ай бұрын
Of course it would have, just later
@neplusultra4196
5 ай бұрын
The BSU was started 4 years before Burgess, Douglas and Ressler were involved.
@suzzzzzzy
3 ай бұрын
@@omarqure🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
@igorlobkovenko9480
Ай бұрын
I don't think Ressler gets enough credit for the BSU. He was the first to start the process. Douglass has always been given too much credit because of the media coverage he has received; some of which he sought out
@Mortiis69
29 күн бұрын
Real fathers of the BSU are Howard Teten, Pat Mullany and Russell Vorpagel. Robert Ressler, John Douglas and Roy Hazelwood joined that elitary unit years later.
Ressler’s book “He Who Fights Monsters” is an excellent read as well. He, Douglas, & Burgess are icons R.I.P Robert Ressler
@maharshibasu7408
2 жыл бұрын
The book is Whoever Fights Monsters
@TinS0lder
2 жыл бұрын
Some times the Dragon wins.
@BEhistoricStudios
Жыл бұрын
bob was an american hero
@adityamenon775
Жыл бұрын
RIP
@theeditorrestrial
11 ай бұрын
ah hell, I didn't know he passed away
I am a John Douglas groupie. I have read all his books. He is so fascinating.
@lisahughes-sherring8891
5 жыл бұрын
Me too I've followed his and Bob’s work since I first read John Douglass first book
@philsurtees
5 жыл бұрын
I find it so sad that Douglas has hoodwinked so many people like you into believe in his pseudoscientific fantasy bullshit.
@asupertramp948
4 жыл бұрын
@@philsurtees "I find it so sad" Shut up Yurek. 🤦♂️
@randybobandy4385
4 жыл бұрын
@@philsurtees the fbi loves pseudoscience. Body language reading, handwriting exemplar, polygraph etc.
@Sangwoo_oncrack
4 жыл бұрын
@@philsurtees We don't care what you think Yurek. Keep being sad. I am just kidding. Don't be sad. But still love Douglas no matter what you say.
I went to a lecture given by Ressler 27 years ago. He had video and pictures and pulled it all together. He was incredible Sexual Homicide: Patterns and Motives Book by Ann Burgess, John E. Douglas, and Robert Ressler
@Mortiis69
4 жыл бұрын
,,Whoever Fights Monsters" by Robert Ressler (R.I.P) is one of the most incredible books on the subject along with ,,Mindhunter" by John Douglas. I highly recommend these books to all intrested in serial killers. There is a lot of crap in the true crime literature, but these books are real jewels worth reading many times.
I actually preferred Ressler's book "Whoever Fights Monsters," it was extremely good. Anyone who enjoyed reading mind hunter will definitely love that book.
@conanlabiche
4 жыл бұрын
agreed
@suzannereiser4720
4 жыл бұрын
Going to order it - thanks.
@timmiller269
2 жыл бұрын
Only problem with John's collection of books is that he covers a lot of the same cases in several of them.... Still good reads though.
Unfortunately Mindhunter’s perfection plays into why was cancelled. David Fincher is, like I’ll say 100 times, brilliant but unfortunately his brilliance is a downfall as a 10 minute scene is known to take 19 hours for him to shoot which obviously costs a lot of money and makes the show take years between seasons. It was so well-reviewed and has a big cult following but there are no current plans to make a third season thanks to a combination of low viewership, expensive production costs, and the strenuous work the show requires. This seems to happen to all the best Netflix shows.
@pjpredhomme7699
2 жыл бұрын
i do not think that is true - it is a year later and I believe they are now working on season 3 now . Absolutely it did not look like it was ever going to happen but the reason ( other than covid ) was that Mr Fincher had a lot of opportunities to do other projects and between those and keeping the cast -held hostage in a way - the schedules just were not working out - but now apparently they are an season 3 is going to happen - which is fantastic to anyone who enjoys the show . I know I will be looking forward to it.
@VictorHugo-xr1ng
2 жыл бұрын
It hasn't been cancelled; only on hiatus. Netflix and Fincher jointly agreed to pause because Fincher had another project Mank, and then The Killer, and don't be surprised if Mindhunter returns sometime after that. DF wanted to do these new projects and didn't want to keep the actors tied to a production that he was going to pause before coming back to, so the actors were all released from their commitments. But all of the actors are stoked about working on it in the future, and apparently it is likely going to happen sooner than later.
When the right people use their networking skills…you get these awesome teachers!! Thanks for this presentation!!
Mr Douglas is just a wonderful person. I could listen to him for hours. Thank God for these clever minds and forensics that many serial killers are caught.
Do we know if there’s going to be a season 3 of Mindhunter? There has to be!! So much material to use.
@PlasmaCoolantLeak
4 жыл бұрын
This might be helpful: www.digitalspy.com/tv/ustv/a28743833/mindhunter-season-3-release-cast-filming-trailer-episodes-killers-netflix/
@brett444
3 жыл бұрын
Its officially over as of 5 hours ago
@Flowergurl2000
3 жыл бұрын
So sadly, no, but maybe someday.
@TheAmpharosFreak
3 жыл бұрын
@@brett444 it’s not over. It’s on hiatus.
@mehulkalra2002
2 жыл бұрын
I heard they didn't hit the numbers they wanted (views) so they have paused it
He is extraordinary. There are some episodes John Douglas tells investigators about the perpetrators that are incredible. He is one of a kind.Brilliance 👏🏽👏🏽
Omg bring this show back! Absolutely love Dr Burgess, Douglas, and ressler’s work!! Amazing
Good for the audience member for asking to distinguish other abuse victims from those that turn out to kill
The Netflix series is the greatest series I have ever seen. Please, watch this series!
First book I read on the subject was Robert Ressler's "Whoever Fights Monsters." Then, on a shopping trip to Borders with a friend (who was looking for a book like these) I discovered "Mindhunters." Since then, I've read several of Mr D's books and Robert Ressler's "I Have Lived in the Monster," plus Roy Hazelwood's "Evil That Men Do" and currently reading the new book by Dr Burgess, "Killer By Design." JUST started that, actually. I used to own "Crime Classification Manual" and thought it was lost forever but very recently found out that one of my friends has it and has had for all of these years. All very fascinating and unlike many other "true crime" books, these get into the details of how the cases were solved, and how their technique evolved over the years as they learned more. I watched the first season of Mindhunters, but unless they were doing it so it was considered fiction, I don't know that they needed to add all the extra personal drama and their fights with the F.B.I., etc. The cases, and the personal toll the career took on them, provided enough drama. (If you read "Mindhunter," you know how it starts, with the illness that Mr. D talks about in this video . . .) And SPOILER FOR SEASON 1 SPOILER SPOILER The thing that happened with Kemper in the hospital? Why?? Totally unnecessary.
Volume is too low.
@jonnysith
5 жыл бұрын
turn up your volume right?
@brad9956
5 жыл бұрын
Mark No, mr anderson is right - I listened with the sound all the way up. The video volume is too low.
@FrenchToast663
5 жыл бұрын
I hear just fine
@rjmeza3118
5 жыл бұрын
thought it was my computer, thanks
@noisemagician
4 жыл бұрын
Copy link open it in vlc media player, there you can increase volume past its max.
Awesome video! The work of Ressler; Douglas and Burgess was groundbreaking for both the field of psychology/psychiatry and detection in law enforcement. They are indeed the real MindHunters
Thank you for this Boston College, this is amazing!
Brilliant! So informative. Thank you for your work John & Ann, your findings & methods will be remembered and utilised for generations.
For some reason I can't get HOLDEN out of my head
Amazing to listen to these wonderful and inspiring people. Thank you for making this available for others.
I gonna buy all his books and dig in this fascinating world. Much respect too John E. Douglas Ann Burgess.
Jean De Niro was my professor, she is amazing!!! Thank you for putting these people together
@CalvodeMiel
5 ай бұрын
tell her her role in the Irishman wasn't believable as a young 78 year old.
Mindhunter is a wonderful book extremely recommend it.
Thanks to whoever subtitled this
I found the series fascinating. Wish they would do a 3rd.
I adore Dr. Ann Burgess. She is a legend in the field and a wonderful person in real life. So warm, welcoming with a great sense of humor. Mad respect for this woman. Shout out to John Douglas!
makes me excited for season 2
The Mindhunter audiobook is a fantastic fascinating listen. I highly recommend you listen to it.
The actor is a better, creepier Kemper than real Kemper. Both are equally scary yet likable at the same time.
Really enjoyed this. Thank you so much. Might need to watch mindhunter again🤣
So interesting. I learned about Dr Ann Burgess and John Douglas from The Interview Room on youtube with Chris Macdunna (nope, I didn't spell his last name right) and Dr Gary Brucatto (same) who is often a guest on his show. I'm still watching Mind Hunters. Great show. Great to see/hear from the real mind hunters!
Let's not forget Roy Hazelwood; another pioneer of FBI criminal profiling. He was integral in making the distinction between 'organized' and 'disorganized.' He co-authored 2 great books, 'The Evil That Men Do' and 'Dark Dreams.' Both excellent reads.
Just got my copy of the killer across the table. Thank you so much John Douglas for your work!
that was the BEST series...!!!!! still upset they didn’t make a 3rd season?!?!?!?!?!?!? are they nuts ? It was PREFECT! John Douglas is awesome, such a fan for decades now, read one of his books first time decades ago. Thank god for what he did. Sorry he had so much trauma though, glad he survived that.
@everyone complaining about the low audio: I agree it sucks, but accurate closed captions have been provided so turn them on!!
Love listening to them. Excellent video
Douglas is a pioneer as is Hazelwood . Pretty amazing what they all did especially for the times
@Prof_Tickles92
4 жыл бұрын
As egotistical as Douglas is even he has admitted that Hazelwood was the best.
Extremely Very very fascinating and informative .
It's sad that the moderator doesn't let her talk freely when she wants to add something to what Douglas was saying. He even interrupted her, with her having to ask to let her speak.. A bit said because what she was saying was really interesting!
@aprilvillagomez3799
3 жыл бұрын
Yes! It’s driving me crazy tbh
That was very cool! Two very brave lovely people. Very impressive
I am humbled by those who do this type of work. Ive read many, many books over the decades on these subjects and i gleaned a lot from survival techniques to psychological disorders but know this, even simply reading of these things WILL challenge your strength. The offenders and crimes are things, normal people dont even dream of so knowing its based on fact is VERY TOUGH emotionally to simply read. Ive had books i had to set aside for weeks before i could go back and soldier through the sewer to finish reading. Im smarter for it, a more observant citizen but itll take a toll on a person so theres some advice to those uninitiated to this type of material. God Bless the Victims, their Familys and the men and women who bravely wade in the excretement for the betterment of us all...
@truditrudi753
Жыл бұрын
William Tobin So true. I too had to stop for a while. I think trying to comprehend the horrific acts of another especially when your brain doesn't think this way takes a strong constitution.
It is one of the great series that I have watched.
Thank you for letting us meet the real people. Brilliant talk and clips, thanks! Great questions too. I think what a lot of people struggle to understand is that childhood is a type of slavery or cult - in that children have no social, financial, physical or political power. They have no knowledge of how the world works, of how to feed themselves etc. When their parents/carers are harsh, cruel and they are exposed daily to violence and violation - images, thoughts and feelings provided by their carers and media around them and when they are a target for that, the children have very abnormal brain and psycho-social development. Under the age of 16, I have termed their families cult like because they have features of cults - they have been trained in violence from a very early age (indoctrinated), they are humiliated and punished (if not actually tortured) when they displease their parents/carers and they are given no choice about it all. In religious cults and violence cults (criminal gangs, terrorist groups etc) this is part of the control element and the heightening of fear as a means of control, through violence and humiliation). They are already damaged - often at a very young age. In all the cases highlighted by mindhunters, the themes are there. The children then develop huge rage and outrage and once they have been provided with what seems to be a legitimized target (e.g. seeing women tied up and raped and killed) they are then indoctrinated that this is what they can (and should) do with their aggressive impulses.
Thank you for sharing your information to help the public understand. My question is have these types of crimes increased or decreased since it’s easier to identify the perpetrator now? Well…
fascinating thanks for sharing!
This was so great.
I follow the Mindhunters on Twitter and Facebook and had no idea that both John and Ann were being interviewed. I would have liked to have been there!
@MrPabgon
4 жыл бұрын
What do you mean you follow the mindhunters?
This is not gold, but diamond! Humanity can learn a lot from this. It's just a manual for humanities problems
Watched the whole thing. Amazing.
Unfortunately I think the many psychologist here in New Zealand still have their arms crossed and aren’t open to the the kind of advice John was offering. Needless to say that’s why we have so many of these rotten bastards out wandering the streets committing more heinous crimes while waiting on their court dates.
Mind Hunter was absolutely brilliant
I can't believe Douglas doesn't believe that the Ramseys didn't have anything to do with their child's murder.
This deserves more views! Truly insightful and brilliant work!
@bonniebloodworth
5 жыл бұрын
Totally, I'm amazed at the lack of views. It's rare to get a great talk from John on here or anywhere. I'm absolutely blown away just to listen to him.
@darrenmarkdouglas5073
5 жыл бұрын
@@bonniebloodworth it's just so insightful, really helps with fleshing out fictional characters and their motivations. He amazes me too, what is he now, like in his 70's? Awesomeness!!
@bonniebloodworth
5 жыл бұрын
@@darrenmarkdouglas5073 73... looking well on it.
@bonniebloodworth
5 жыл бұрын
If ever there was a role model, he's it. Obviously reading his books gives you the most important information but I'd love to see more of him and even Dr Burgess in these fascinating circumstances. We can't see Robert Ressler (RIP) anymore unfortunately but he seemed to be more involved with tv productions. I feel privileged here with this. I'd given up looking for anything with John and then this gem popped up, thankfully.
@bonniebloodworth
5 жыл бұрын
... and Roy Hazelwood respectively.
ive been fowlin him since i read his first book if you ever get the chance to hear him speak dont miss it he also has master classes
It's really hard to hear. I have it all thr way high on volume but I can't comfortably hear it without pressing the hearing thibgy into my ears.
Just fascinating!
Does anyone know how can I see the Linda D videos? I can't find anything on the Boston College website or social media handles. Thank you!
Kemper would have been the uber driver from hell
@ENGW1SH
4 жыл бұрын
Right 😂
@carmenburton4918
3 жыл бұрын
Well... with his intelligence... I think he couldve gotten away with murder still.. he is smart enough to find a way..
John DOUGLAS is 👍 nearly finished mindhunter book,the season 1+2 are great!
so interesting love thisssss!!!!
Amazing man
Man, a lot of questions jump into my mind watchin this interview ..."So, in their expert opinion, those people can't be rehabilitated? So, we should be doing anything to prevent they become monsters, Are we doing it? "
Is there any way that we can read the 57 pages data form? Is that classified or possibly discussed in any of their books?
Waiting waiting tired of waiting for 3!!!
We must include the great writer Mark Olshaker
I think a very good companion to the Douglas book is a book called Homicide by Matin Daly and the, sadly, late Margo Wilson (R.IP). It is a scientific account of homicide. The same titled book by show runner David Simon is good too, though very different.
it's unfortunate Ed Kemper took the road he took. with his intelligence, he should've become a professor.
@Hugatree1
4 жыл бұрын
atomic mama totally agree. Some psychopaths/sociopaths are made, not born. With a loving nurturing and encouraging mother things would have turned out much differently
@tooberetta
4 жыл бұрын
I think it just shows you how ANYBODY could be an Ed Kemper. I lived in Santa Cruz, CA when Ed was on his killing spree & he was very popular with the local law enforcement. We have to remember how charming these people can be when it serves their purpose. It's the same debate on environment vs heredity as to where things went wrong for Ed. Imho I believe in his case it was both. I do believe we can gain much from this type of research for both law enforcement & the prisoners themselves. We can't undo the damage of course but the insights are priceless.
@stewrmo
4 жыл бұрын
I'm sure he would have loved that, all those students.
@tiarnan76
4 жыл бұрын
"Hi professor Kemper, my necks feeling a bit sore, any chance you could have a look at it later when everyone else has left the building?"
@stewrmo
4 жыл бұрын
@@tiarnan76 "Sure Sally, I'll have a look at it. I'm sure you may just have something.....stuck... in...yoUR...THROAT!"
I remember when the Behavioral Science Unit in the FBI was formed. I remember how exciting it was to learn the markers of anti-social behavior and how they developed profiles in lead serial murder cases and how they made their searches worldwide, from first statewide then nationwide, then worldwide. How they constructed search and information sites then shared them with the world. Fascinating stuff. It took decades for information entry, comparisons, cross-referencing and intelligence gathering and will be ongoing, well...forever.
@figgiefigueroa8603
4 жыл бұрын
It was a wonderful job. Well done! They changed the way everything was done. Brilliantly done!!!!
The detective that brought Dennis Radar aka BTK to justice.
@You.Tube.Sucks.
3 жыл бұрын
In all fairness, didn't Dennis Rader bring himself to justice, albeit accidentally?
..did Ann say that in her project of observing rape victims the people were ages THREE to seventy-three? god, i hate humanity sometimes.
There is no excuse for the audio being too low to even hear on the highest setting. Needs to be reloaded. :(
@odalanizi
4 жыл бұрын
Use headphones? Sounds fine to me.
@geegeezlouis86
4 жыл бұрын
The audio is shit but they do have English captions!
@portaadonai
4 жыл бұрын
Get some decent speakers, I can hear it fine after about 5 minutes in [5:00], and yes I have to increase the volume but not to max
@severianxi6990
4 жыл бұрын
ur to particular. just raise the volume. LoL
@geegeezlouis86
4 жыл бұрын
@@severianxi6990 you're an idiot if you think that's not the first thing everyone did when they found the volume too low. OP literally said "on the highest setting" and you're coming in here acting like you're providing Occam's razor for everyone
Love this . So informative
I think the message they’re sharing about the interviews and conversations are that you can’t have a victim defensive mentality with violent sadistic killers.
read most of douglas,s books and hes a great informative author
Re adults who were abused as children, but do not become offenders or abusers themselves, a very interesting psychiatrist , Alice Miller, who is now deceased, has several books written , ( sorry I can't recall the titles offhand ..easy to find though.... she found that if a victim of abuse had what she calls a 'witness'... ie someone who was aware of the child's suffering and in some way perhaps was able to offer support or if not visible support, at least a silent confirmation of the reality of the child's experience and suffering ...then that person was unlikely to later become a perpetrator . That coincides with what John is saying about victims who have had some kind of support in their family or acquaintance circle and are less likely to offend themselves. Great discussion... thanks to Boston College.
@SamStone1964
10 ай бұрын
It's the opposite to what occurred in my family. But of course there are always exceptions.
Perhaps the folks doing audio for Boston College could upload another mix with less ambiance. Thanks.
You can't hide from you fellow man once he looks into the unseen....
When season 3
It would have been interesting to include Dr. A. Nicholas Groth in the panel, as he also was part of the FBI initiative, doing prison interviews with convicted offenders. His research resulted in the publication of "Men Who Rape," which was instrumental in changing the stereotypes around sexual assault that affected treatment by police, hospital, lawyers, judges, and juries. His book introduced the now-common understanding of the difference between Anger Rape, Power Rape, and other subsets, which helped inform the profiling methodology used by the FBI to focus their investigations and explain the different evidentiary standards that are needed to convict offenders. The coordination with Dr. Burgess was critical in identifying correlations between types of assailants, victims, and corresponding evidentiary standards.
I've been dying for the next season to come out....doesn't look like it's going to happen, though :(
I wish he was a better speaker cause it's fascinating info
Big red is a popular soda in Texas...”cough”
This was great wish there was more, anybody know of any other material on here like this that is classy to the point and isn't cheesy and drenched in hyperbole?
4:20 Does she have her doctorate? Dr. Hartman
Wow the ideathat kemper would look at his watch as if in a hurry was clever..😮
His name is Brian Griffin
@joeynessily
4 жыл бұрын
wonder how it's going with the novel he's been working on
@ToldAlthea
4 жыл бұрын
Awesome Sacha. GREAT comment.....
I'm only minutes into this, but I'm curious as to what they don't mention Roy Hazelwood. He helped develope the profiling program. He went with John Douglass to interview prisoners to get the info to do the profiling.
@culraven7573
5 жыл бұрын
She mentions Roy starting at minute 7
@lindsaymcnamara7829
3 жыл бұрын
They did mention him... please watch the interview before commenting
Volume is too low and I can’t hear.
@420Ruger
4 жыл бұрын
I think your hard of hearing bud. ( no offense)
@andreaforce9850
4 жыл бұрын
With many KZread videos, the volume is too low on my computer (unless I use headphones), but is fine on my tablet or phone. In other words, it’s your device that’s to blame.
@portaadonai
4 жыл бұрын
5:00 Try listening after 5 min in
@snooks5607
4 жыл бұрын
or get an amplifier. if sound exists it can be made as loud as you want, given the watts of power you can pump into it
This video answered a question ive always had. I know it sounds super weird but ive always wondered if a rapist would be somehow put off and stop if the victim were to pretend to enjoy it or act sexually agressive toward the rapist in response to the assault as a tactic, but aparently not.
@hayleywindus8471
4 жыл бұрын
I've always wondered if lying about your HIV status would work
Here from the fighter and the kid
Anyone else feel uncomfortable when the audience chuckles at certain parts? For example when Montie Rissell tells Ann in his letter that they don't have Netflix in prison. Either way, very interesting insight.
the interviewer is like a humble, rehabilitated Chris Farley. lol
The character of Bill Tench does not do justice to what Robert Ressler was. I'm not saying it's bad, I love it in a nutshell but we all know that Robert is the mastermind. Read his books, he says so everything
John is my hero
Nature versus nurture. Perhaps some of those sociopath murderers had sociopath parents. Nature+Nurture
Trouble is they still use the same profile today.
Nice Tassel and carpet. Who was responsible for bringing those into the scene of discussion?
@user-iv8ll1mm8h
Жыл бұрын
"Red shoes symbolise pedophilia or wizard of OZ an alternate spelling of OZ is UHS - THINK BIG