So excited for this & also look forward to your podcast with Peter Clarke! Woo

@eastyyy22

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Your support is awesome!

Nice and strong analysis, looking forward to your podcast session with Peter Clarke.

@eastyyy22

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks very much!

This is a spot I would probably just fold without thought. Thanks for the info and something I will be looking and thinking about in these type spots in the future. Another amazing video. Keep up the great work. Really appreciate it

@eastyyy22

3 жыл бұрын

Remember I'm not saying we should always call here, far from it! Just to think about why and when. What I don't want people to do is auto fold because 'it's 10nl'. Thanks for the support as always!

I think the biggest key here in choosing your call frequency with TT here is the turn, a 3 or a 4 turn is much more appealing for villain to find the turn bluff jam than say if it were a 7 or an 8 for example. He’s now in theory much more likely to consider bluff-jamming a hand like AK/AQ, especially when he doesn’t hold a spade (not interacting directly with the Js and therefore, considerably blocking the likelihood you can show up with AJs). With all that considered, I think this is a great spot to keep the call frequency with TT close to that full 67%. Very nice example!

@eastyyy22

3 жыл бұрын

Those are all very good points! Completely agree actually with everything you've said. Thanks so much for watching and giving your thoughts!

Completely agree with your thinking and mindset. Great vid

@eastyyy22

Жыл бұрын

Cheers mate!

i know i'm AWOL at the moment but I'm still loving the content. Feel like watching through these is giving me a little refresh that I need to get back at it soon!

@eastyyy22

3 жыл бұрын

Can't wait to see you back in the mix mate, thanks for the support!

super strong analysis, and conveying the point of how many players exploit themselves. I'm honestly quite surprised to see TT calling 2/3 of the time (i also simmed it and i had the same output), so once again, i bow down to the one true king - piosolver

@eastyyy22

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot, Ben! Good to know my inputs weren't skewing the result as well haha. In my case I'll bow to my micro stakes solver, GTO+.

10 mins only =( oh ok podcast is gonna be great. Thx for the vid a lot Nick!

@eastyyy22

3 жыл бұрын

Sorry man, wanted to keep it short and sweet and not talk too much rubbish!

This is a very good point, well conveyed in regards to how people overfold because they do not think people are capable of bluffing, but it is also misapplying a lot of heuristics in regards to exploitative Poker. It is most important to have a good bluff catching strategy in spots, I could go on for 2 hours about this, but to keep it simple: Be careful trying to implement GTO strategies - Learning will help you improve for sure, but Fish will always be your biggest source of profit and exploiting them will always include deviation from optimal play. I would argue balancing your range to sometimes check good hands would cost you more EV vs Fish when they have a hand they'd happily call down a big overbet and Jam OTT than if you fold this spot.

@eastyyy22

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comment! I agree that fish are always our best source of income, and I'm all for exploits when we have information about a player. And definitely agree that vs these players we should predominantly value bet! I've been meaning to get your comment on my other video but wanted to do it justice as its a long one! Thanks for watching.

@Hildreth1101

3 жыл бұрын

@@eastyyy22 No problem, don't have to. I am just waiting for the HurleyIDK Punt or no Punt edition (mutual friend of ours)

@eastyyy22

3 жыл бұрын

@@Hildreth1101 He keeps making excuses but I will get him!

Hey Nick, great little vid on a concept that I am always struggling with myself, when or if to deviate from theory, and exploit based on pool pop stats. I try to stick to the theory based plays as much as my courage will alow lol, and obv find at the lower micros I'm often running into the nuts and unbalanced ranges. But as I commented before on your last vid I think, I also think that Ben is correct in your punt or no punt vid when he implied being willing to sacrifice wr at lower limits in order to have a sound theory based game for moving up. At least I think that's what he meant. Anyway, thanks for sharing your insights, and more like this please:)

@eastyyy22

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot, glad you liked it! I don't think Ben means that you should intentionally make losing calls, just that it is best for our improvement and poker development, and also that sometimes it just isn't as black and white as we see it sometimes.

One reason I include cbet flop and turn in hud stats (although again need big sample to truly help) to see if Villain is consistently out of line on later streets. Impressive call, not sure I would make the same unless I had a read on opponent.

@eastyyy22

3 жыл бұрын

If I've got enough hands on someone and its relevant then I always have the option of bringing those additional stats up but yeah I agree! Thanks for watching bud.

I really liked your explanation in this one, super clear and gets the point across nicely. Personally I think this is a super breakeven play, especially when villain sizes up flop (as weaker players do this with strength over bluffs) unless villain is super aggro like Mr Spaz over here. Id be interested in what the bot is doing if we are deeper here, or if it cares at all as OTT it does just seem a case of "well we only have to be good like 26%" Whereas if we start the hand with 140bb id imagine TT is calling alot less or nearly never. Good stuff though man ;)

@eastyyy22

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot buddy! Glad that you liked it. Definitely understand where you are coming from as well!

Good job!

@eastyyy22

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Another great video mate.. Too advanced for me tho. I am still struggling with odds/outs and equity! Not sure where to start

@eastyyy22

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate! Try to keep it simple at the micros, this was just a sort of pre cursor to the podcast I'm doing.

Hey Nick thanks for the videos. :) What we lack at micro stakes, I believe are the lack of 'thought process'. I was wondering if you are going to publish more of this in order to improve our thought process? :D Thanks

@eastyyy22

3 жыл бұрын

No problem! I already do have quite a lot of live play videos on thought process but I'll obviously keep making content!

you need to make a video about your background and how you have come to know crushers like peter clarke and benabadbeat. you seem to have a background in perhaps higher stakes than 10nl? interested to know more about your story. As always you are amazing dude best channel on youtube

@eastyyy22

3 жыл бұрын

Really appreciate this mate! I think the podcast with Peter may be of some interest to you! I could do this at some point potentially on my channel though. Thanks for the support.

@alexandertaylor7169

3 жыл бұрын

Where can we find this podcast?

@eastyyy22

3 жыл бұрын

@@alexandertaylor7169 kzread.info/dash/bejne/a31t0tFseNjfqdo.html

@alexandertaylor7169

3 жыл бұрын

Ended up finding it after a bit of digging. Great podcast mate. Only came across the channel in the past couple of weeks but really enjoying the content. Watch a lot of MMASherdogs hand reviews, its very cool but often he is analysing hands between the best players in the world. Very nice to have someone doing it for the microstakes grinders!

This is a really important concept. The best outcome is, and always will be, derived from correctly assessing your opponents. If your takeaway from this is to always call here against all players then, on average, you're going to lose a lot of money and it's not even close. Typical players at these stakes aren't 4-bet bluffing much beyond A5s, often not even that much, and aren't shoving turn without a pair. Sim that and the turn call with TT is an EV loss of 50bb. Sim details matter and I doubt we'll have all the parameters the same. Add in 50% AQo to the 4-bet and the call drops to a 36bb loss. Even in a GTO environment, assuming Nick's sim is accurate, the flop call is -EV (as shown on screen at 5:10) and the turn call earns 0.14bb or 1 cent. Folding is not a harmful outcome compared to the 50bb EV loss it typically earns. This video is much more a demonstration of how solvers can help us find higher EV lines (we'd all love to find more spots where we can swap a 50bb loss for any amount of gain) than it is a demonstration of harmful exploitative poker. Understand your opponents, guys, and make more money at the tables. GL.

@eastyyy22

3 жыл бұрын

My takeaway is certainly not to call here vs all players and I'll happily deviate from this decision with any good reason in the pools I play. On the sim details, I had the help of a very experienced player who uses solvers all the time to minimize any errors with the inputs. I don't think folding is a bad decision at all, but blindly folding because 'they always have it' seems an unhealthy way to approach the spot.

Exploitative strategy is to fold pre, not to call pre and call flop just to fold turn. Facing a massive 4bet is completely pot commiting, it's almost push or fold anyways. Obviously calling pre and flop just to fold turn makes no logical sense whatsoever, if you call pre you don't have setmining odds so it means you think you have the best hand, so you should still have the best hand on a bricky flop. Once you call pre I have no problem with the call down since AK missed the flop and they could very well be punting that. But that's an extremely unprofitable spot, you literally only win chips when they bluff, so the exploitative play if they don't bluff enough is to avoid it entirely in the first place.

@eastyyy22

3 жыл бұрын

I think folding pre here is just out of the question! And yeah of course it's unprofitable to call if they don't bluff, but the whole point of the video is to say that this assumption is total rubbish.

@FefeLeVrai

3 жыл бұрын

@@eastyyy22 This guy's 4bet sizing (over 3x) was significantly bigger than the sizing typically used to calculate GTO charts (usually 2.4x). So folding pre could even be the GTO play here.

@BenjaminRaven

3 жыл бұрын

@@FefeLeVrai Nick's IP calling range reflects the big 4b size. if it was vs a 'normal' 4b size, Nick's range woulda bee quite a lot wider (some 88/77/66/A4s/ATs to name a few).

Is that 4bet range have the frequency that hu shows? Do you have a 4bet frequency from early position for this player? Maybe he 4bets more against the blinds and less from early position. Thinking that in the micros people don’t bluff is a mistake, you can only say that in the micros players are not balance, but you cannot assume which way is everyone without information

Nice man! Podcast is on carrot corner? Link in subscription doesn’t work for me

@eastyyy22

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! The link is to his channel, video will go up soon I imagine, it's the next episode.

Excellent vid again, and that's great to see that's your working on those spot since it looked like your were one of those that think "they never bluff in this spot" haha. I would have folded this turn playing lower stakes tho 😅 But yeah seeing that he is so out of line 4betting T9s in this position and bluffing this runnout make the call vs this particular opponent almost a pure call 😂

@eastyyy22

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot mate! Yep I probably was one of those people! Done a lot of work on my game and talked with a lot of people much, much better than me. Appreciate the feedback.

@maxhdr

3 жыл бұрын

@@eastyyy22 Yeah your surrounded by great players, your gonna improve so much faster this way, pretty sure you will climb the stakes fast, keep it up bro 😁

@eastyyy22

3 жыл бұрын

@@maxhdr Appreciate that a lot mate, thank you!

I think the bottom line here is you can only call here against LAG regs or maniacs at micros, so its pretty rare and its player type dependent.

@richardg5571

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly this!

What cpu do I need for gto+ to run smoothly? Also are 16gbs of RAM enough for at least 3 sizes on every street?

@eastyyy22

3 жыл бұрын

I'd probably say 3000 series ryzen or above. Thread count makes a difference too. 16gbs will probably be okay.

@user-xr4bq3eo7s

3 жыл бұрын

@@eastyyy22 Thanks! I'm good to go then!

imo in microstakes, people definitely overbluff 3bet/4bet pots. but i dont have a huge sample size yet so maybe im wrong.

So at microstakes stick to GTO as much as you can, but exploite when you have good reason?

Yeah go on Bick

@eastyyy22

3 жыл бұрын

Yes Bean, 25nl crusher!

Liked while the ads were playing.

@eastyyy22

3 жыл бұрын

You the real MVP.

Personally I disagree with your point. Firstly, calling with TT here cannot be massively plus ev as the solver would pure call with TT otherwise. I think we can definitely say that the 10 NL pool is under bluffing here and even the players who are capable may still under bluff this spot. As such, I would say that calling TT is probably losing here in my opinion. Even as we move up the stakes overfolding in certain spots is still going to be more profitable than playing perfect GTO poker so we are not necessarily inhibiting our progress massively. Enjoyed the vid, keep it up!

@eastyyy22

3 жыл бұрын

That's fair enough, Matthew. Certainly don't expect everyone to agree with me, but it's good to discuss. Other than 'general pool does x' I had no reason to believe this guy wasn't at least capable and I do think it's harmful in at least some ways to always assume that players aren't capable. Appreciate you watching and giving feedback as always!

Man, really think you got lucky there haha. I mean clearly villain is NOT a good reg and doesn’t understand theory very well give his bet size otf and continuing on a rainbow turn with no equity. With GTO+ you’re kind of assuming villain is playing a sound theoretical strategy and therefore our response should also be soundly theoretical. But given the action your first assumption is not true and thus we should deviate from strategy. I can definitely see your argument, but I don’t actually agree with this spot being in the mix for it

@eastyyy22

3 жыл бұрын

I actually don't think I say villain is a good reg, just that he is aggressive. And if this was the bottom of his 4b range then I think the solver will actually continue on this turn iirc as I ran the sim with this being a part of his range. I can only make the assumptions you are referring to after the fact anyway, and that's kind of what I'm getting at here. I understand where you are coming from for sure though, and I appreciate you taking the time to comment.

@Joao-fv2vy

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah I guess it would just be the way that we perceive poker that is a little bit different. I think the range vs range approach is not the best way to look at things. But I 100% see where you’re coming with this and appreciate the response man. Keep on crushing 🤛🏽

I enjoyed his video but I think you've made a complete of errors in the thought process here. Firstly. even if you think a player is capable of bluffing this spot (or any spot), when you look at the range that is supposed to be bluffed you will see that they are still underbluffing by a long shot in most cases and this holds true even at NL200. Of course there will be outliers. In general there are two types of reg from NL25-Nl200. A) Standard solid reg = ends up underbluffing significantly as mostly missed all the non-intuitive no equity bluffs (especially BU v BB when they take BET/OVERBET/ALLIN) - B) The spewy reg (often ex live player) how is pretty much random in bluff selection and often chooses the worst possible bluff combos and bluff catch combos - We can bluff catch against these players but again, when we look at whole range (from flop to river) so many bluff combos are missing from each street that even these crazy spewy regs aare still underbluffng most spots compared to GTO. So the easy strategy to take is to fold all mixed strategy combos (bluff catchers) Secondly. You really don't need to worry too much about being exploited even up to NL200 :) Of course, there are some spots that are massively overbluffed even by the nittiest players in the pool. Eg, spots like BU v BB = Low board (T or lower) and overcard turn/ K or A river. But versus volatiles we just have very easy decisions and never fold.

@eastyyy22

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Paul, this is a very fair analysis! I do think it's worth nothing that we are meant to call with TT here a bunch vs a proper turn shove range, and then we should deviate a lot vs many players in the pool for the reasons you've given. On this occasion I didn't think I had those reasons vs this opponent. Appreciate you taking the time to offer your thoughts!

its an ez call, even with veeeeeerry narrow ranges if we think villain is capable of bluffing: imgur.com/a/wm3rwGm its a big "if" tho. live playing - probably i would fold, now when i put it in flopzilla with this pot odds, its a pure call. also, i think this could be a pretty good spot to bluff but not with 10,9s but AK. You have 2 overcards + gut shot and still can generate some fold equity.

@eastyyy22

3 жыл бұрын

I couldn't find any reasonable inputs that resulted in this being a pure call. The solver will bluff some with AK and some with T9 in this circumstance, but never at 100% frequency.

@masteryoda9259

3 жыл бұрын

@@eastyyy22 its a pure call if we talk only about pot odds and equity but another thing is if villain could be bluffing here or not, its all down to his stats probably.

That, and also "never bluff at micros" old saying.. both are equaly bad and not true.

@eastyyy22

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed!

fold pre

I thought micro stakes are nickles and dimes 10 buck buy in...

Interesting hand - I should post my own hand against you playing exploit & show you the thought process from the other side of the fence. I do think exploit is more profitable at these stakes & I’m also not convinced that your play here isn’t just exploitative, you’re playing to villains tendencies. I mean, you’re folding vs a NIT here, right?

@eastyyy22

3 жыл бұрын

The whole point is that I'll exploit if there is good reason to exploit. There is no good reason here, but people will still over adjust to general pool tendencies. I've shown that this is a call 2/3rds of the time in theory so I can't see how it could be both a theory and exploitative call, unless I knowingly choose to pure call rather than mix.

If we have to use gto to won at Microsoft online poker is dead

Let see this kind of situation 100 or 1000 times, at micro stakes. Ok. You found a particular situation, when your opponent is an aggro player. So, you played exploitive in this hand, not GTO.

@eastyyy22

3 жыл бұрын

Exploitative would suggest that I've deviated from a theory approach, which I technically haven't since I've shown that in theory we want to call around 2/3rds of the time. You are again talking about a general deviation vs the pool which is what I'm trying to suggest is dangerous. I am NOT saying that calling here vs all players will be good, I absolutely still want to deviate from this decision for good reason.