heavy metal wendigoon

thank you dad

@SkarletOctaviaMUSIC

8 ай бұрын

Lol

@Mordann_bm

8 ай бұрын

Daddy*

@acat1473

8 ай бұрын

​@@Mordann_bmWyatt is daddy material ngl

I know you said it at the start of the video but... Now i want to see a video with all the "Not legitimate" metal genres fans or bands invent for themselves. Pirate Metal, Alcoholic Metal, Aliencore, Frognoise, True Metal... The less legitimate the better. I just think it's a fun idea to play around with.

@mofuhh

8 ай бұрын

"True Metal" sounds like it was made up by a bunch of Slayer cucks who shit on Metalcore and such.

@archangelofcoffee922

8 ай бұрын

"True metal" That's just Manowar. Them and them only.

@metalliopleurodon

8 ай бұрын

@@archangelofcoffee922 yeah I know. But does any other band make "Aliencore"? Or is it just Rings of Saturn. Same with Phyllomedusa and "Frognoise" or Tankard with "Alcoholic Metal". I need to know if there's more dumb made up metal genres.

@finestjellybeansrawlol9486

8 ай бұрын

Faetooth call their sound "fairy doom" which I find to be nice

@Ilickmyballs

8 ай бұрын

@@metalliopleurodon I think the band named Cosmophobe can be put in the category of Aliencore...I have listened to only one of their album and they have that signature Rings of Saturn sound

What fascinates me about avantgarde metal is that, as the metal version of experimental rock, it doesn't really have a specific sound: you can arguably attach this tag to stuff as various as Gnaw Their Toungues, Neptunian Maximalism, Naked City, Liturgy, Today Is the Day, Khanate, even certain albums by Meshuggah, and you would be still correct.

Finally a video on explaining metal subgenres that doesn't suck. I shit you not, every video I've seen by any other channel that focuses on explaining a genre is like it is made by people who don't know what music is. They usually get their info from wikipedia or generic youtube/spotify playlists and work the rest of the info out by grasping at straws and using mental gymnastics to draw comparisons/conclusions.

@adimain0340

8 ай бұрын

very true

@SlyHikari03

8 ай бұрын

True. Also, I've seen you on Goniloc alot. Small world I guess..

@EnoshII

8 ай бұрын

I thought the pergproductions one was quite okay, given the scope of the subject and how subjective things like that can be

@naheis

8 ай бұрын

Excellent work, i miss only a little stenchcore but its maybe only form of crust

@scorpions1965

7 ай бұрын

No lies detected

I've always thought of "post-metal" as a mix of sludge, industrial (sometimes), and the atmospherics of post-rock. Key bands setting the example would be Neurosis and Isis.

@honeycomblord9384

8 ай бұрын

If anyone's looking for more post-metal bands in this vein, I'd reccomend Russian Circles and Cult Of Luna.

@dynamicdingus7003

8 ай бұрын

Yes I love me some neurosis and cult of luna. *The Ocean* is another one of my favs.

@MrOoYT

8 ай бұрын

A lot of bands tend to have elements of Shoegaze, too, especially since (but absolutely not limited to) the Post-Black Metal to Blackgaze movement around the early 2010s

@autistichades5552

8 ай бұрын

For those that are Sludgy, it goes under the name of Atmospheric Sludge Metal, and encompasses Neurosis, Cult of Luna and to some extent Ulcerate, but I’d say for more vanilla Post-Metal would be bands like Deafheaven, Agalloch and Kayo Dot.

@MrOoYT

8 ай бұрын

@@autistichades5552 Deafheaven and Agalloch are not “vanilla” they are essential post-BLACK metal

Mincecore & Grindcore are cut from the same cloth, the name is in how they edit their guitars & drums. The sound of Grindcore is a very Grinding like tone & the sound of Mincecore is very much a Mincing tone (kinda like the words when it comes to cutting foods, like Dicing, Slicing & Mincing your Vegetables) Now Mincecore also deals with more Animal Liberation & Anarcho subject matter along with Veganisms which is where the Goregrind vocals sometimes show up as an influence because original Goregrind (Carcass, ect. ) was gore infused with Medical photographs to promote Veganism. Another distinctive aspect to Mince is the snare drum, almost always the snare strainer is loose for a more "Dong" sound, rather than Grind keeping their snare strainers pretty tight. Good Mincecore bands would be "Haggus", "Archagathus" or "Agathocles" & some more underground Raw Mince would be "MxMxM"

@Sergio-nb4hj

8 ай бұрын

Good description. I would add too that mincecore usually has more distinctly punk beats. Like d-beats (bum kabum bumka) Many bands also use slower "tu pa tu pa" type beats that you usually find in prnogrind

@bigbunn_

8 ай бұрын

I don't like much grind other than death grind, but i do rather enjoy haggus. also i'm from the same city as archagathus!

@fidget5315

8 ай бұрын

mxmxm is great

@iachtulhu1420

8 ай бұрын

It is important to say that mincecore purposefully sound punk rather than metal. It's a return to simplicity of hardcore punk/crust from which grindcore originated, not just sonically, but culture-wise and esthetically. The difference isn't so much obvious, but mincecore sounds more primitive on purpose, with lower quality production, more DIY approach. Not that grindcore lacks that, on the contrary, but this version of grindcore, which is pretty much that, is more leaning to punk side of grindcore spectrum.

@fidget5315

8 ай бұрын

@@iachtulhu1420 lound instrument caved in head go brrr

Wyatt last time: "I'm not gonna become an iceberg channel, but I just really wanted to do this one" Wyatt now: Love your content either way, keep making good stuff!

AAA i love this! i made one of these for a school project for funsies (it was really rushed/unprofessional bc I was more of a nooby + school deadlines). your genre icebergs were a big help for research and a big inspiration! keep up the good work. since I'm incredibly more well-versed w/ metal genres now, I might revisit it.

I'm only about halfway through the video, but I have to mention the Genocide Organ/Prurient collab in the back. That album is sick, and the vinyl looks awesome

I never get sick of these videos

when I started watching I said to myself " I bet at the very bottom hes going to mention mincecore " AND you nailed it, its basically punk inspired gorenoise and its really gaining in popularity from what I can tell. Lots of bands that don't have albums and just do live shows.

metalcore and deathcore being shunned by metal elitists never made sense to me because of so many other genres using hardcore/punk influence being welcomed with open arms (like thrash). Its almost like a big portion of metal fans just went "we dont like this interpretation of sound" and started hating on it. Its kind of stupid to hate on genre and sound fusions since thats basically what already allowed metal to become this very expansive genre in the first place.

@Ilickmyballs

8 ай бұрын

Metalcore fans don't want to experience other extreme genres and elitists can't stop on hating metalcore 💀Not me tho I enjoy everything 🗿

@RibeiroGames12

8 ай бұрын

​@@Ilickmyballswdym they don't want to? There's a lot of experimentation in the genre as well. Justice For The damned mixing black metal and metalcore, Currents mixing progressive metalcore with death metal, Loathe mixing progressive metalcore with alternative metal, Malevolence mixing metalcore with sludge/southern groove.. the list is big af

@Compic

8 ай бұрын

metalcore and deathcore bands shunned by metal elitists are usually more influenced/rooted in heavy alternative, post-hardcore, post-grunge etc with barely influences from metal or even original hardcore itself (except breakdowns and maybe vocals). so when non-metal influences outweigh it's not surprise they kinda fall out.

@Ilickmyballs

8 ай бұрын

@@RibeiroGames12 I'm talking about the fans not the artists

@BlastinRope

8 ай бұрын

its cause the emo kids were effeminate while the metal kids werent

This deserves way more views and likes

I appreciate you attempting to explain metal genres. It is very confusing and difficult.

Enjoyed the video. I think I would have put deathcore up there with metalcore, primarily because when I talk to non-metal listeners it seems to be one of or the most popular metal genres (mostly BMTH and White Chapel). Unless I missed it I guess I wasn't entirely clear on what the qualifications were for each tier. That's nit picking though. Fun videos!

I always considered stoner metal to be a very defined subgenre of doom metal, wherein it's essentially doom metal with heavy blues and psychedelic influences. Seems that typically it's accepted as a definite subgenre rather than an unspecified additive

@TheGmorq

8 ай бұрын

Thanks for bringing this up! Also I would add, that psychedelic works with many styles of metal (even stoner metal can bee psychedelic) so I kind of use those terms with different bands.

"progressive metal but on steroids" very accurate haha! Awesome and entertaining video! Got my sub. Cheers brother and looking forward to seeing more!

I love your iceberg chart vids man

it makes me feel at ease knowing that even people who have been talking about music genres for years still don't know how to describe post-metal lol. it's one of those things where sometimes you hear something and you just kind of "know" that it fits the bill.

love the vids man. do play any instruments yourself or sing in a band or anything ??

Oh man you actually dig and listen about the music talked about current extreme metal music. I would like to hear your further explanation on what is "Cybergrind" because i listen to pretty much everything that is both as niche as harsh, but dont really try to explain myself why i think is awesome.

I always saw post metal as bands like Neurosis, Amen ra, ect slow(ish) sludge-y riffs that build into epic crescendos.

@ThatOneGuy7550

6 ай бұрын

Yeah. Pretty much this^

nice lengthy vid to help me pass the time at my job wp man

What I needed

The name Mincecore was first used by our very own Belgian Agathocles. I can highly recommend 'Mister Hardcore Syndrome' by them!

@GFGRRD

8 ай бұрын

thats the type of music i make lol, i do drums

I'm a huge fan of both funeral doom and raw black metal. One of the bands that really got me into metal in general when I was 18-19 was Evoken, who are in retrospect are very extreme and deep in the iceberg. But I guess in retrospect that's rare and they really aren't very accessible. But a band like Këkht Aräkh is definitely raw black metal, yet still very accessible I reckon. I never cared for gore-anything, just seemed like gross shock factor to me. Cool video as always, Wyatt.

@i_want_my_shuggah

8 ай бұрын

Gore music is just funny. Never take something that starts or end with 'gore' seriously.

Crust punk is definitely a great combo. Amebix and Discharge were always very open about their Speed Metal (Motorhead/Venom) + Street Anarcho Punk (GBH/Crass) combo. I prefer neo-crust or blackened crust to be sincere. Black breath and Martyrdod goes so fuckin hard.

Your iceberg videos are way better than other ones on other topics tbh. Excited to watch.

Everytime this man uploads a video my day gets better. 🎉

I love these vids

Where would djent fall in this iceberg? Probably experimental metal? Great video as always

Funeral doom metal close to the bottom is what I was hoping for. Excellent work as always 💪

@AgainstTheeWickedlyMusic

8 ай бұрын

I was happy to see it there, too, love funeral doom

first of all: hope your voice recovers soon Wyatt, and second off: we all knew this video would come one day, also, there is a band that fits the symphonic technical death grind thing you mentioned lol, they're called The Clockwork Deity. Really good stuff actually, highly recommend to those who read this comment :)

@gnowongnomii

8 ай бұрын

Damn son, I was just about to say, great now I wanna hear symphonic technical death grind but You've got me covered. Thanks to you and Wyatt

@slamfam7621

8 ай бұрын

@@gnowongnomii Can't tell if this is a joke or not, but I do genuinely recommend The Clockwork Deity, they're fucking incredible

@gnowongnomii

8 ай бұрын

Dead serious, got em on my watch later now

Nice video, as always. Interesting you didn't mention stuff like folk/viking/pagan metal. Where would you put these genres or do you count it as ambient/athmospheric or into any other genre you mentioned?

@wyattxhim

8 ай бұрын

I’d put them in tier 4

@Iscaria666

8 ай бұрын

@@wyattxhim Okay, thank you. :)

Would love to see you cover blackgaze in a video incase you haven't, think it would be very interesting

This was a great iceberg, informative without being super pretentious, and quite entertaining. The only two styles I could see being added were death/doom and black noise, and I consider the latter as more of a noise subgenre, anyway. Kind of a tangent off of that, I feel like "Noise metal" should be a coined term. We have all these ridiculous names like gorenoise, warnoise, noisegrind, and black noise, we should really just make an umbrella term at this point. I call my own music doom/noise, mostly as a joke, lmao.

One of my fav metal songs, One and Only by Diabarha, is Cybergrind, and I never even knew that it was that small of a genre xD

There's a band called "The Forrest Gump Mile High Marathon", and they call their music "gumpcore".

Have you ever heard of the Finnish band Turmion Katilot? Its usually classed as dance-metal or Industrial metal, but man their songs are great.

Post metal is an offshoot of doom/sludge metal that's generally artsy or proggy to some degree. Not sure how it's any harder to describe as opposed to "atmospheric metal" which was talked about earlier on this iceberg. It's just post rock but heavier, loads of atmosphere, textures and usually but not always crescendos. I don't think it's that hard to define, bands like Neurosis, Isis, The Ocean, Cult of Luna, and Rosetta come to mind lmao

I wonder whether maidcore (mainly Yakui the Maid and Chikoi the Maid) could be classified as an independent metal genre standing close to nu metal. It is pretty unknown, it is only by accident that one stumbles upon such a track on youtube, but it is very very catchy and it has a distinctive charm.

Thank you sir

From what I figured to what post-Metal was is stuff similar to what maybe Tool did in their leader albums. Those albums are considered post metal, which I can kind of see.

@xenos_n.

8 ай бұрын

I think the best way to describe post music is "artsy".

I'd say post metal is a style of metal that originated from atmospheric sludge which puts heavy emphasis on crescendos and intense atmosphere, mostly instrumental, doesn't follow typical metal song structures and as you said yourself focuses on sound texture, which makes it dense. Another way people describe post metal is by comparing it to prog, where prog tries to make the music more complex while post metal tries to "transcend" metal by using it as a jumping off point (which just means add other instruments not typical to metal); or in other words, post metal and prog are quite similar but prog is maximalistic (most of the time) while post is minimalistic. Now when it comes to what the major flavors of post metal are they're atmospheric sludge (Cult of Luna, Isis, Neurosis's Enemy of the sun), atmospheric black (Agalloch, Austere and Alcest) and the early pioneers have some industrial in some of the songs (Neurosis's Through silver and blood and Godflesh's Pure). Or to really dumb it down it's a minimalistic, atmospheric, more intense and experimental variant of doom metal offshoots that has a similar doctrine to post rock, but way heavier. Also: 2000s and later post metal bands love using acoustic guitars for the softer song sections, which they use to build up the sludgy heavy drops.

I’ve been seeing keller synth and tanzelcore recently i’m unsure if it is a new thing? Do you know anything about it

Hey, I'm new to your channel, so maybe this is a stupid question, but what are your own favorite metal subgenres?

I listen almost to all of those genres

Every time you end with "make sure you drink plenty of water" I'm always like "Ahh shit, I haven't had anything to drink in a while" and then I go get hydrated lol

I’m inclined to put power metal in the beginner tier. There are a ton of kids at my high school that listen to power metal and didn’t even know it was metal.

'The Metal Genres Iceberg' THE HORROR!

In the 80s and 90s there was a handful of metal genre's after that the naming just got out of hand there were sub genre's and sub sub genre's and beyond It got hard to keep up after a while🤘anther good topic👍🤘💥🎸

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I would define post-metal like basically post-rock but instead of rock music, metal music: build ups, atmosphere, etc, but in metal. Is making music beyond of what the traditional metal definition was but with some metal instrumentation

Mincecore is a stripped down version of its influences. Somtimes in a literal sense as duos and one person projects are fairly common. Musically, it Often has no blastbeats and barebones punky guitar. I think it leaves room to really reflect on the weird gross noise that's happening, as gore grind/noise are sometimes too chaotic to really process, although i would argue, thats part of their appeal. Gore grind and noise can also can be hard to enjoy live because of this, however, mincecore at a free show and or a house show is predictable in a good way, you know you can two step to that and have a good time with your freinds! That's my take on it anyway

A bit late to the party, but here's my 2 cents. As I understand, cybergrind was a trend when the whole world was obsessed with the idea of computers and internet becoming a big thing. So, 2000s pretty much. After that the genre sort of dissapeared. Libido Airbag, Tourette Syndrom and Kots are the band that come to mind. As for G-Grind and P-grind, the difference is, at least for my ear, is that P-grind is usually slower and groovier and more comedic, while G-grind is blasting and serious.

Now there's also "technical black metal", idk how to distinguish it from avant-garde black metal but it is indeed different. Dodecahedron would be considered technical black metal.

Oh daddy, this is gonna be a hoot & a holler

let's goooo

Also Wyatt you should do an “explaining Whitehouse” video

@maxr.3900

8 ай бұрын

this guy wants you to tell him things you both already know about a band that is 30 years old, because he wants to feel as edgy as his mentally unwell and justly alchoholic dad. for him your explains videos are like pornography he is ashamed to masturbate to, that features the pure retardation of two inbreds. he wants somebody to tell him noise is good instead of just listening to it because he likes it, which closesly mimicks the behavior of a sickeningly gay person.

Your beard reminds me of Fenriz

Mincecore is a favorite of mine. Some good examples for bands are Archagathus, Brains For Shit and Agothacles

Next 49min hella sorted🔥🔥

Cybergore ala Libido Airbag is what I think when talking things cyber.

I can't believe you forgot Black Banjocore...

Maybe a little bit too much of a stretch for its own entry but for another entry, maybe around tier 4, id put US Power Metal. Definitely a "full circle" type of thing ive seen where even though its non extreme, usually its super esoteric extreme metal nerds listening to this tyoe of stuff. Basically bands like Riot, Jag Panzer, Manilla Road, Running Wild and Cirith Ungol who were US bands taking the sound of European power metal bands and just bringing the edge and aggression a bit back. Kind of the middle ground of super epic power metal like helloween and just straight badass iron maiden type trad stuff.

@fromtimesinkingdoms9144

7 ай бұрын

A lot of the "NWOTHM" or new wave of traditional heavy metal bands honestly fall more into this than straight up trad metal too, and a lot of the time the bands have the slightest writing tinge of black and death metal too without being close to those genres. Bands like demon bitch, iron griffin, night demon, visigoth, and megaton sword for example

"It's getting really expansive" And frankly quite weird sometimes.

I will not forget when i was 15years old i was tired of listening the same metal bands as everyony then my neibour told me about black metal and other sun genres of metal. Black metal , Grindcore and the whole CORE era opens a new horizon for me. Personally my favourite genres are 1)Black Metal 2)Deathcore 3)Post Black 4)Tech Death 5)Old Metalcore era

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thanks for another video dad

I like to mention death doom, which is my favorite alongside death thrash in the tier hybrid metal. Funeral doom is pretty related to it though.

@MrOoYT

8 ай бұрын

What do you think of Bolt Thrower? Also W Sassanid pfp

@Hormizd

8 ай бұрын

@@MrOoYT I love them! The IVth Crusade is pretty doomy.

@MrOoYT

8 ай бұрын

@@Hormizd im trying to get into them sometime soon. I heard the song For Victory and I was absolutely blown away. Do you have any album recommendations for death-doom?

@Hormizd

8 ай бұрын

@@MrOoYT Bolt Thrower is an essential death metal. Wikipedia labels them as death-doom too, but most of their stuff is just death metal to me. But of course, here's some death-doom albums I like: Winter - Into Darkness Disembowelment - Transcendence into the Peripheral Autopsy - Mental Funeral Unholy - From the Shadows Dragged into Sunlight - Hatred for Mankind Paramaecium - Exhumed of the Earth Septic Flesh - Mystic Places of Dawn Hooded Menace - The Tritonus Bell Spectral Voice - Eroded Corridors of Unbeing Katatonia - Dance of December Souls October Tide - Rain Without End

@MrOoYT

8 ай бұрын

@@Hormizd wow that’s a lot of albums. I’ve heard some early Katatonia and I really like the melodic black metal influence. Do you know any other bands who do similar?

Thanks father

Also Progressive Gothic Metal. Take Gothic Metal but add lots of transitions, and either different time signatures, or my own preference "Free Time". I find swing notes difficult to measure.

Are you happy with the 4th Arghoslent LP?

@ScuzCuz

8 ай бұрын

Eh, to me its not very Amazing. Sounds more like it was recorded in a Garage.

@SeanS1995

8 ай бұрын

@@ScuzCuz I totally get what you’re saying, I wasn’t impressed with the production, but I suspect that upload was just of inferior quality, and that the actual release will be better.

@SeanS1995

8 ай бұрын

@@ScuzCuz Besides production though, I am disappointed not gonna lie, at least for now. Could grow on me…

@richardwarner8648

8 ай бұрын

Thought it sounded like Arghoslent. I like it.

@SeanS1995

8 ай бұрын

@@richardwarner8648 Oh I like it too. I was just expecting more. Again, could just take some getting used to. If I had to narrow down my current problem, it just felt too safe in composition, nothing that shocked me with creativity like the first three albums

The way I view the "Post Rock" and "Post Metal" thing is that Post Metal is just normal Metal, but played as if it was invented in this era, as played by new rules, it's not expanding on the old sound or experimenting, I think that's the idea which is kind of vague A way to look at it is that Metal still follows a lot of the rules and traditions from the past, so Post Metal is the same but from the perspective of what if Metal was invented in the 2010s or something like that It's like Metal 2 in a sense

epic video dood

Probably if i was to define mincecore it would be like a more simple take on extrme grindcore, with lower tempos sometimes, and with kind of a fascination with all the "pure old school" sound of extreme punk and grindcore

He finally acknowledged mincecore🥲

This video had so many voice cracks lol

I just want to jump in and say i listend to Revenge today. Holy holy fuck. I'm unshockable and i have a gaping maw

I want to hear "Gridcore"

A good list. I'd have put Groove Metal - think Pantera - right up there with the basics, especially as you have Nu Metal on that tier, and I don't think the word "Intermediate" applies to something so straight forward and massively popular. It's super accessible and depending on your age, is as relevant entry point as NWOBHM and Nu Metal. The same arguement could be said for Metalcore which is current kids entrypoint via all the big 'modern metal' youtubers as it's all they talk about and the popular bands are huge. It's been around for ages but you can blame At the Gates "Slaughter of the Soul" for what it became pretty quickly via bands like Killswitch Engage in the late 90s/early 00s.

Wow this was interesting, I always relate and use practically as synonymous "Post" and "Gaze" like Post-black and Blackgaze as exact the same genre, and I always thought that "Avant-garde" was the fancy way to say "Experimental", bacause if you google "Avant-garde whatever subgenre" you will come across with some bands that in another websites they are labelled them as "Experimental", and vice versa.

you forgot Speed Metal :)

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Also I can’t wait to watch this

blackened death metal is my favorite honestly lmao

....atmospheric death metal? this is new

@fromtimesinkingdoms9144

7 ай бұрын

Check out garden of shadows, belakor and septic flesh That's kinda it tbh

A hardcore punk iceberg would be cool

@maxr.3900

8 ай бұрын

or take the case of this individual, who may in fact be the most homosexually urged of the lot. he thinks he is cool, because he pretends to like this genre he just found, and perceives any difference from one homosexual punk affair to the next. he is just trying to tell you he knows about hardcore punk, and i cannot blame his retardation because in serious it is not much different from the abysmal lack of brain function you project every waking minute of your life, that if not for the AIDS soon to penetrate your probed anus would continue far too long

@wyattxhim

8 ай бұрын

@@maxr.3900are you seriously spamming commenting dipshit crap here ? You do know all you’re doing is helping the algorithm grow my channel more right 😅

is nu metal, rap metal part of metalcore category?

@Tetrra

3 ай бұрын

no

if you are a false don't entry

@fromtimesinkingdoms9144

7 ай бұрын

Sarcofago were spitting bars with this one

What band is in that longsleeve?

@wyattxhim

8 ай бұрын

It’s a movie Holy mountain

how does one eye socket has shadow and the other doesn’t

@wyattxhim

8 ай бұрын

Always sit on an angle

damn i really expected warnoise in the last tier xd

@wyattxhim

8 ай бұрын

damn I gotta admit I dropped the ball on that one

@adimain0340

8 ай бұрын

​@@wyattxhimi mean no wonder, theres a billion subgenres haha

@maxr.3900

8 ай бұрын

@@wyattxhimyour balls have never even dropped a centimeter

@AgainstTheeWickedlyMusic

8 ай бұрын

I was half wondering if that would make it, too. It's so niche that I didn't really bat an eye, though. Same with "black noise"

Guys wake up new wyattxhim

What shirt is that?

@wyattxhim

8 ай бұрын

holy mountain

i find it confusing on the alternative metal genre not included in the chart. was quite a important role in the later 80s early 90s and was the base of what was coming to be nu metal.

@maxr.3900

8 ай бұрын

this guy thinks he contributes to any scheme of art discussion in the whole world. it is a good representation of the fans your pubic beard will attract. die alone and you won't risk to bereave your children with beyond dysfunctional autism

@RibeiroGames12

8 ай бұрын

Probably because it was a very confusing music style. Nobody really knows how to define it and it's often grouped with other genres like nü-metal. I view speed metal as a very similar case when it comes to thrash

Thanks daddy😁

*nerd time* should've included warnoise instead of noisegrind